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Are the Texans really that interested in Quinn?

hollywood_texan said:
I believe picking Quinn will be a huge mistake! He underachieved at Notre Dame with an offensive-minded guru, so how is he going to overachieve with Kubiak that couldn't salvage David Carr?

The Texans have so many holes that require impact players.

I really don't care for Carr or if even he got cut, but I would rather have Carr as my starter next year than Quinn sitting on the bench waiting in the wings.

Drafting Quinn, locks us into another 5 years of a starter that didn't even prove himself at the college level.

Quinn is just Carr redux...

I am calling it now, the Texans draft Quinn, the Texans will not have a winning record in their first 10 years.
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are you kidding me. we are generally in agreement on most things but to say Quinn didn't prove himself at the college level is just insane. If Notre Dame had an even average defense, Quinn would have a much better record against the top competition. Have you seen ND's schedule recently. It is far and away the toughest in Division1 football and he played well in almost every game. Blame the defense for his lack of victories against he USCs and Michigans of the world.

Quinn is a top QB talent whose only drawback is that he is somewhat shorter than I prefer.
 
run-david-run said:
Why? Quinn was running a pro offense. Hell, his coach ran a Super Bowl winning offense the year before he showed up. Quinn will go from day 1 if we get him. Also, our offensive line is no longer at historic lows, esspecially when healthy. Add a good blocking back in Ahman Green, and we might even see some throws downfield next season...:yes:
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If Kubiak/Smith take him, I'm fine with that, that's all I'm saying.

But it's not only being able to run a pro offense, but being able to run that offense against an NFL Defense.

If LSU was too fast, Quinn might want to take that year with the clipboard.
 
thunderkyss said:
If Kubiak/Smith take him, I'm fine with that, that's all I'm saying.

But it's not only being able to run a pro offense, but being able to run that offense against an NFL Defense.

If LSU was too fast, Quinn might want to take that year with the clipboard.
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I agree he needs to wait a year
 
thunderkyss said:
If LSU was too fast, Quinn might want to take that year with the clipboard.
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Great point! All the more reason this isn't such a good pick for the Texans.

The pick in the 1st round this year needs to start the 1st game and provide immediate impact. We don't need another QB on the squad that needs more talent around him for him to succeed. I can already hear the same Carr excuses using Quinn's name instead...

That was a good LSU defense last year!
 
LSU was too fast because they were much faster and better athletes than the players on his own team. there's no differential that large in the NFL between teams, not even close. quinn will actually perform better against good teams in the NFL than in college.
 
I think Quinn will be able to start from day 1...


If we pass on Quinn I'll be a little upset....
 
kastofsna said:
LSU was too fast because they were much faster and better athletes than the players on his own team. there's no differential that large in the NFL between teams, not even close. quinn will actually perform better against good teams in the NFL than in college.
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Question: Do the Texans have enough talent so the same thing doesn't happen to Quinn as a Pro if he is a Texan?
 
hollywood_texan said:
Question: Do the Texans have enough talent so the same thing doesn't happen to Quinn as a Pro if he is a Texan?
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I guess what that Question really boils down to is, "do you think Quinn is better than Carr ?"

My answer: Yes
 
hollywood_texan said:
Question: Do the Texans have enough talent so the same thing doesn't happen to Quinn as a Pro if he is a Texan?
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with the cap room being 40mil next off season I say yes they will have enough talent by the )* season if they draft well. They will have enough cap space to aquire some key free aents next year.
 
hollywood_texan said:
Question: Do the Texans have enough talent so the same thing doesn't happen to Quinn as a Pro if he is a Texan?
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uh, yeah. they're an NFL team. plenty of speed and talent everywhere. especially at receiver. andre johnson? forget about it. the most talented receiver quinn had at notre dame was maurice stovall. snagged a few catches with the bucs last year. nothing special. didn't even play till week 12 or so. no team speed, no talent comparable to the bigger teams.

houston beat the colts this year, right? that should show you how parity works in the NFL.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I guess what that Question really boils down to is, "do you think Quinn is better than Carr ?"

My answer: Yes
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Not only do I agree, but I think he will be better than Carr as a starter on his first day in the NFL. This kid had no weapons at ND so he had to carry his offense every game and then make up ground that the defense lost.

I don't see any question marks around Quinn.
 
Exithios said:
Not only do I agree, but I think he will be better than Carr as a starter on his first day in the NFL. This kid had no weapons at ND so he had to carry his offense every game and then make up ground that the defense lost.

I don't see any question marks around Quinn.
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I'm reluctant to go there for the simple fact that Carr has been in the leauge for 5 yrs, so I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt...

What's scary, is that you may actually be right...
 
quinn is almost a completely prototypical QB prospect. i guess he doesn't have a huge arm like russell so he's not "flashy" and thus there's nothing "exciting" about him to some people.

smart, heady, works hard, tall, good arm, accurate, strong, good athlete, leader, winner, productive, pro-offense experience....can't ask for much more...
 
kastofsna said:
smart, heady, works hard, tall, good arm, accurate, strong, good athlete, leader, winner, productive, pro-offense experience....can't ask for much more...
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I hate to agree with you....But I do...
 
kastofsna said:
quinn is almost a completely prototypical QB prospect. i guess he doesn't have a huge arm like russell so he's not "flashy" and thus there's nothing "exciting" about him to some people.

smart, heady, works hard, tall, good arm, accurate, strong, good athlete, leader, winner, productive, pro-offense experience....can't ask for much more...
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I can see why Quinn would be a Carr II......................:sarcasm:
 
it takes a very special team to get to and/or win a Super Bowl without a good QB. Look at Chicago's defense and special teams. They carried that team to the SB after Grossman fell apart. And, of course, there is always Baltimore with Trent Dilfer.

Houston is no where near being that special of a team to win with a subpar QB. If you think you have a shot a taking QB who will win games for you for many years then you do it.

I'll be the first to admit that I'm not sold on Quinn. But I'll also admit that I will let our FO do its job and won't bash them (too much) until they give me a reason to do so.

Just because we struck out with Carr doesnt mean we cant take a QB in the first again.
 
i think carr was all of that in college. just didn't work out for him. i think it's a bit tough for a rookie QB to also assume the role of the face of a newly minted franchise. there's no chemistry at all anywhere on the team or in the coaching staff. i dunno how easy the development must be for those quarterbacks. but i can't really think of many QB's that had to go through the same situation. there was tim couch, and that didn't turn out so hot. he had some real issues in the coaching staff though, plus...he just wasn't worthy of the top pick anyway.

even if quinn and carr were the same prospect (which they aren't; quinn is better), they'd be entering far different situations. quinn would be setup for success far better than carr.
 
you would also like to think this team has learned its lesson and wouldnt throw Quinn to the wolves like they did Carr.

I want Carr to go because I think he will NEVER be a good QB again without some serious memory loss, but, I dont think it was all on him. Capers and Co. set him up to fail. Who knows how he turns out if he had a better line.
 
kastofsna said:
houston beat the colts this year, right? that should show you how parity works in the NFL.
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Are you making a joke? It took 5 years for the Texans to prove parity works? The Texans have beat the Colts 1 time in 10 tries. I don't think that fits the definition of parity in the NFL.
 
hollywood_texan said:
Are you making a joke? It took 5 years for the Texans to prove parity works? The Texans have beat the Colts 1 time in 10 tries. I don't think that fits the definition of parity in the NFL.
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well it took a few years to get up to speed with the rest of the NFL, yeah. but the year you DO beat the colts, it's the year they're super bowl champs.

the main reason you lost to the colts so much was because they've just been so good for the last 4-5 years. but the actual talent differential isn't that wide at all between houston and indianapolis these days. or arizona and chicago. or...whatever. it's how miami can lose by a few touchdowns to new england early in the season and then shut them out a few weeks later. new england winds up in the AFC Championship, miami's picking top 10.
 
kastofsna said:
well it took a few years to get up to speed with the rest of the NFL, yeah. but the year you DO beat the colts, it's the year they're super bowl champs.

the main reason you lost to the colts so much was because they've just been so good for the last 4-5 years. but the actual talent differential isn't that wide at all between houston and indianapolis these days. or arizona and chicago. or...whatever. it's how miami can lose by a few touchdowns to new england early in the season and then shut them out a few weeks later. new england winds up in the AFC Championship, miami's picking top 10.
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ooh.... I hate to agree with you.....


but I do. :marionaner:
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Yeah, it can be said....


But that doesn't make it true...
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And vice versa. Your statement about Carr also does not make it true.
We've never seen what David can do with a great O-line in the NFL. And that is true. Our O-line has never been able to get over the hump to become average. They are always a little under every year.
If we don't look for O-line personell in FA and the draft, then we have the dumbest front office in the history of the NFL, IMO.
 
OrangeCountyTexansFan said:
And vice versa. Your statement about Carr also does not make it true.
We've never seen what David can do with a great O-line in the NFL. And that is true. Our O-line has never been able to get over the hump to become average. They are always a little under every year.
If we don't look for O-line personell in FA and the draft, then we have the dumbest front office in the history of the NFL, IMO.
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We've never seen what our O-line can do with a great QB either....David's never been able to get over the hump to become average. He's always a little under every year. If we don't replace our QB either via Free agency or the draft we have the dumbest front office in the history of the NFL, IMO.


Ha...
 
Let him sit for 1 year were not going anywhere, IMo it's the way incoming rookie Qb's should be developed. If we draft Quinn he can learn while we get better talent wise.
 
Mr teX said:
Let him sit for 1 year were not going anywhere, IMo it's the way incoming rookie Qb's should be developed. If we draft Quinn he can learn while we get better talent wise.
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thats what ive been saying, let him sit and next year we will have about 40 mil in cap room and hopefully this draft and next draft will be great. I look at our 08 season to be great, I think it will be a diffrent team then what we have now. Plus we will get to sign maybe one bit key play maker that we desire out of free agence. Cant wait.
 
Positives: Strong, well-built athlete with good body definition (rangy)…Sets up quickly and is ready to throw in an instant…Has good mechanics and an incredibly fast release… Shows accuracy on his long tosses and has a very lively arm in the short areas…Very composed under pressure, in the Brett Favre mold…Mature and confident field leader who is well-respected by teammates and very competitive with the opposition…Tactful in his actions, but will not hesitate to "correct" a teammate when needed.

Negatives: While he shows accuracy on his long passes, his arm strength is adequate, as he tends to arc his deep attempts…Holds the ball too long, inviting the sack, rather than dumping it off or throwing it away…Makes proper checks, but does not have a variety of throws…Needs to improve his pass drop, as he does a lot of three-step motion and will hold the ball a little too long, taking the sack rather than throwing it away.
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dang you Capers dang you to HE double hockey sticks

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/2002draft/qbs/davidcarr.htm


I am not sold on quinn, his stats were horrible against top competition.
 
I get the feeling that they are positioning for a move on Quinn.

Bringing Quinn in is the only alternative that I am happy with, if we part ways with Carr.
As I have said all along I don't see Plummer, Rosenfels, Garcia, Ramsay etc being an upgrade to what we have. Carr is more talented (not more productive necessarily) than any of them.

Quinn I believe is a genuinely great QB prospect.

As for his 'failures' against better team, he played on an outgunned team against superior oppostion and tried a little hard to lift his team and made mistakes.

If we do get Quinn, trade or cut Carr, let Rosenfels take the job for a while till Quinn is properly prepared to play and then let Quinn do his thing.
 
Negatives: While he shows accuracy on his long passes, his arm strength is adequate, as he tends to arc his deep attempts…Holds the ball too long, inviting the sack, rather than dumping it off or throwing it away…Makes proper checks, but does not have a variety of throws…Needs to improve his pass drop, as he does a lot of three-step motion and will hold the ball a little too long, taking the sack rather than throwing it away.
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:whistle:
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
We've never seen what our O-line can do with a great QB either....David's never been able to get over the hump to become average. He's always a little under every year. If we don't replace our QB either via Free agency or the draft we have the dumbest front office in the history of the NFL, IMO.
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I don't disagree with you. But I am able to see that David is not the only problem. I think you can see that too.
 
I think Quinn is going to be a flop or do no better than Carr is capable of. I say take a late round QB and give Sage a run at stardom.
 
hmm just had a long conversation with someone who pretty much ensured me that the vikings have no interest at all in quinn. he made a lot of good points...i'm buying it.
 
I really like how we don't know what the world is going on in the front office. Why? Cause I'm sure they're doing it ON PURPOSE! Know one knows what the heck is going on with our QB situation and whether or not we really want to get rid of him. I just like that it seems like we are entertaining ALL OFFERS! If there is any deal that can make our team better, let's talk about it. It seems like we really have an open door policy when it comes to player acquisitions.
 
kastofsna said:
hmm just had a long conversation with someone who pretty much ensured me that the vikings have no interest at all in quinn. he made a lot of good points...i'm buying it.
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The Vikings would be stupid to take Quinn...

Tavaris Jackson is a beast.
 
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