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Calvin Johnson one of greatest prospects ever

jaayteetx

jaayteetx

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According to John McClain, thats what he has heard. Now, why isn't there all the hype surrounding this kid, ala Reggie Bush, Vince Young. Could it be, because he didn't play for a big-time college football power? Also, there more than likely will be THREE teams pass on him. How come these teams and their fans are not going to catch all the grief we and the Houston Texans franchise has had to endure since drafting Mario Williams? Could it have anything to do with the media and how they push their own agendas? Just a thought.
 
it's definitely a media thing. i've heard scouts say they've never seen the unbelievable physical skills combined with on-the-field dominance from a prospect like they see with calvin johnson. easily best WR prospect ever.
 
kastofsna said:
it's definitely a media thing. i've heard scouts say they've never seen the unbelievable physical skills combined with on-the-field dominance from a prospect like they see with calvin johnson. easily best WR prospect ever.
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I think it would be kind of funny if he flops.
 
CJ has the best combination of hands, speed, size, athleticism, and most importantly actual production than has ever been seen by a WR at the combine. Moss is probably the only guy that has come close.
 
kastofsna said:
it's definitely a media thing. i've heard scouts say they've never seen the unbelievable physical skills combined with on-the-field dominance from a prospect like they see with calvin johnson. easily best WR prospect ever.
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Not to mention he understands the game very well...... very smart kid.

Easily the best prospect in this draft..... greatest ever??


I don't know about all that.


WRs will impact a game, no doubt. & a game changing WR is easily worth a #1 overall... but I can't see them generating the hype of a #1 QB, or a #1 RB.

That, and the team at #1 has Randy Moss, and Jerry Porter... it would be kinda like having Duece McAllister, and drafting Reggie Bush.

So... even though I think CJ is the best prospect in this draft, I'd have no problem if the top two teams passed on him for a QB, and a RB, which is probably going to happen.

If the Browns pass on him for JT, I'd understand, considering Braylon Edwards is cathching on. But I'd still take CJ if I were them.

Bucs.... if he makes it there, he won't go any further.
 
My guess is, and this is only a guess mind you...

The Raiders will make a trade and get there self a QB this off-season and draft Calvin Johnson with the 1st pick and throw a loop into everyone's mock drafts...

If that happened, watch teams wheel and deal to move up and get there man before someone else does something weird...
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
My guess is, and this is only a guess mind you...

The Raiders will make a trade and get there self a QB this off-season and draft Calvin Johnson with the 1st pick and throw a loop into everyone's mock drafts...

If that happened, watch teams wheel and deal to move up and get there man before someone else does something weird...
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But CJ is the only one worth trading up for... Well Peterson, but I'm thinking he goes #2, & Detroit wants him. AFter that, you don't trade up for what's left. They are already going to cost you a boat load to sign them, and it'll cost a lot to move up.
 
thunderkyss said:
Well Peterson, but I'm thinking he goes #2, & Detroit wants him.
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Do you really think they do? I mean, they've got Thomas Jones who should be back the middle of next season and they got Tatum Bell. Now, Peterson should be an upgrade over those two but... why trade for Tatum Bell unless you were planning on using him while Thomas Jones recovers?

I don't expect them to go with AP.
 
jaayteetx said:
According to John McClain, thats what he has heard. Now, why isn't there all the hype surrounding this kid, ala Reggie Bush, Vince Young. Could it be, because he didn't play for a big-time college football power? Also, there more than likely will be THREE teams pass on him. How come these teams and their fans are not going to catch all the grief we and the Houston Texans franchise has had to endure since drafting Mario Williams? Could it have anything to do with the media and how they push their own agendas? Just a thought.
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Or it could be the fact that a WR only touches the ball a few times a game while a QB touches it every play and a RB will anywhere from 15-30 times a game.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Do you really think they do? I mean, they've got Thomas Jones who should be back the middle of next season and they got Tatum Bell. Now, Peterson should be an upgrade over those two but... why trade for Tatum Bell unless you were planning on using him while Thomas Jones recovers?

I don't expect them to go with AP.
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When you say Thomas Jones... do you mean Kevin Jones?? If so, yes. If they went and got Thomas Jones.... no.

They got Foster(a solid right tackle) & fith round pick for Dre Bly..... remember what we thought about Bell when we thought we'd get him & Plummer??

Bell will start the year, he usually runs well in September & October..

Would they take CJ?? I really don't see that.
 
jaayteetx said:
According to John McClain, thats what he has heard. Now, why isn't there all the hype surrounding this kid, ala Reggie Bush, Vince Young. Could it be, because he didn't play for a big-time college football power? Also, there more than likely will be THREE teams pass on him. How come these teams and their fans are not going to catch all the grief we and the Houston Texans franchise has had to endure since drafting Mario Williams? Could it have anything to do with the media and how they push their own agendas? Just a thought.
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He played for Georgia Tech, not Marshall. They might not be annual national championship contenders but they did play for the ACC championship last year and are annual top 20 material. Give credit where credit is due.
 
Michael Westbrook was one of the greatest prospects ever too....till Casserly selected him. I saw CJ play in a few games....awesome player.
 
Just last year Reggie Bush was rated as one of the top running back prospects to come out in years, yet failed to finish among the first 5 rookie
backs in rushing yards last season. Hopefully Johnson fairs better in his rookie
class of receivers.
 
kastofsna said:
if he played for USC or texas....forget about it. the coverage on him would be ridiculous.
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heck, even Notre Damn or Michigan....

nunusguy said:
Just last year Reggie Bush was rated as one of the top running back prospects to come out in years, yet failed to finish among the first 5 rookie
backs in rushing yards last season. Hopefully Johnson fairs better in his rookie
class of receivers.
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Mainly because he isn't an NFL running back, and will probably make the move to WR/PR pretty soon.

There is no doubt, or question about what an NFL team is going to do with Calvin Johnson...
 
Calvin Johnson is awesome. It does kinda of make me mad that people are so quick to say oh yea oakland needs jamarcus russell they should get him. it may be a good move for their team but everyone makes fun of houston for making a football decision and trying to build their team with a guy like mario. Mario Williams is and will be so much better than Jamarcus Russell.

Calvin Johnson is one of the most solid picks....safe picks, along with laron landry and patrick willis.

Every team that passes CJ should get heat thrown at them but of course the media rules the world. what they say is what people believe.

georgia tech is not that good of a team. their not bad but..they arent a nationally 'known'/ talked about team. Reggie Ball was a bad QB and CJ stats could have been tremendous if he played on a better team. I do agree RB and QB touches the ball a lot more than WR...and may have more impact on the game.
 
Calvin Johnson is probably as "bust-proof" as any player has ever been. Just the combination of physical elemets: 240 (holy crap), 45+ vertical, 4.35 speed, 6'5". He is basically a bigger version of AJ his first year, with about the same speed, better hands and better routes. If you are gonna pass on him, you better be sure that whomever you are picking is going to be great, because CJ is going to be.
 
run-david-run said:
Calvin Johnson is probably as "bust-proof" as any player has ever been. Just the combination of physical elemets: 240 (holy crap), 45+ vertical, 4.35 speed, 6'5". He is basically a bigger version of AJ his first year, with about the same speed, better hands and better routes. If you are gonna pass on him, you better be sure that whomever you are picking is going to be great, because CJ is going to be.
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I love the kid but there are zero "sure things" when it comes to humans and the draft. Physically, Michael Westbrook was just like him. Westbrook also ran a 4.47-second 40 at the combine. Westbrook was "can't miss" and bust proof too supposedly.
 
westbrook's problems were injury-related. but he was nothing the prospect like johnson. good size...good speed....but nothing jawdropping.
 
kastofsna said:
westbrook's problems were injury-related. but he was nothing the prospect like johnson. good size...good speed....but nothing jawdropping.
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It was much more than injuries. Dude had issues when healthy too. Aren't you the guy who tried to convince me Young sucked as a QB last year before the Rose Bowl? yeah, I thought so. Keep up the good work.
 
no, i don't think i was here before the rose bowl. good one.

however i did say he sucked after the rose bowl and still say it to this day. quarterbacks need to be smart to be good. not morons. also need to be able to throw the ball. but that's just my opinion.
 
kastofsna said:
no, i don't think i was here before the rose bowl. good one.

however i did say he sucked after the rose bowl and still say it to this day. quarterbacks need to be smart to be good. not morons. also need to be able to throw the ball. but that's just my opinion.
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Here is my question...who said he is a moron and who said he can't throw?That is just hater b.s. about the guy. I'm surprised he even made the team last year he was so dumb:rolleyes: You ever hear Terry Bradshaw talk?
 
because he can't digest an NFL playbook and scored a 7 on the wonderlic. got the question wrong asking what the 9th month of the year is. dumbo.

but brady quinn is having a pretty dumb offseason himself. so i'm not "hating." thems the facts.
 
jaayteetx said:
According to John McClain, thats what he has heard. Now, why isn't there all the hype surrounding this kid, ala Reggie Bush, Vince Young. Could it be, because he didn't play for a big-time college football power? Also, there more than likely will be THREE teams pass on him. How come these teams and their fans are not going to catch all the grief we and the Houston Texans franchise has had to endure since drafting Mario Williams? Could it have anything to do with the media and how they push their own agendas? Just a thought.
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He77 I told ya that about Calvin Johnson three months ago. Had to argue it untill up to the combine with folks in here...welcome aboard John McClian.

Because the eastern sports channel did not anoint Calvin Johnson's team the greatest college football team, nor cj as the greatest player of all time. ESPN gets to bang things home twenty times a day, seven times a week, fifty-two weeks a year. Just 'cause they say it's so don't necessarily make it so. Mario will always be tied to Reggie Bush, Vincent Young, and D'brickashaw Fugeson as long as they are all in the league together. That's just the way it is. Mario gets the foot well this off season ...all of that talk will end.
 
kastofsna said:
because he can't digest an NFL playbook and scored a 7 on the wonderlic. got the question wrong asking what the 9th month of the year is. dumbo.

but brady quinn is having a pretty dumb offseason himself. so i'm not "hating." thems the facts.
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I'm not convinced Vince Young is as good the media makes him out to be either. But if you want to say he can't learn an NFL playbook, you better back it up with something better than his wonderlic score. The wonderlic test is a completely useless test that does nothing whatsoever to measure football intelligence.
 
SF49erFaithful said:
I'm not convinced Vince Young is as good the media makes him out to be either. But if you want to say he can't learn an NFL playbook, you better back it up with something better than his wonderlic score. The wonderlic test is a completely useless test that does nothing whatsoever to measure football intelligence.
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i mentioned his inability to learn an NFL offense first. the wonderlic doesn't help though; the guy is dumb as bricks.
SF49erFaithful said:
Calvin Johnson is most certainly not the best WR prospect ever.
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yeah he is.
 
kastofsna said:
because he can't digest an NFL playbook and scored a 7 on the wonderlic. got the question wrong asking what the 9th month of the year is. dumbo.

but brady quinn is having a pretty dumb offseason himself. so i'm not "hating." thems the facts.
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Were you at Titans camp?How di dhe not dogest the playbook?He did pretty well for a rookie. BTW. Marino had a 14 on his Wonderlic, Randall Cunningham a 15, Neil O'Donnell a 13, Kordell Stewart a 12. McNabb took it twice and got a 12 and a 16, Culpepper took it three times and got a 15 the one time, David Garrard a 14, Losman took it twice and got a 14, studied and got a 31, Jason Campbell took it three times and got a 14 on one, and Steve McNair got a 15. They mean nothing. So it just sounds ignorant to say he can't learn a playbook because of the test when you know nothing about what he knows, etc. He seems to be doing just fine. Again, football players aren't asked to solve global warming.
 
you're thinking too concrete. never did i say that he can't digest a playbook BECAUSE of the wonderlic score. he's just not very smart. and both seem to signal that fairly easy.

but let's stop talking about his braindead vince young is. this is about calvin johnson.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Were you at Titans camp?How di dhe not dogest the playbook?He did pretty well for a rookie. BTW. Marino had a 14 on his Wonderlic, Randall Cunningham a 15, Neil O'Donnell a 13, Kordell Stewart a 12. McNabb took it twice and got a 12 and a 16, Culpepper took it three times and got a 15 the one time, David Garrard a 14, Losman took it twice and got a 14, studied and got a 31, Jason Campbell took it three times and got a 14 on one, and Steve McNair got a 15. They mean nothing. So it just sounds ignorant to say he can't learn a playbook because of the test when you know nothing about what he knows, etc. He seems to be doing just fine. Again, football players aren't asked to solve global warming.
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I don't want to talk about the Wonderlic Test too much. I like it and think it's kinda 'fun' test to give and take. it isn't a test that translates to the nfl with too much accuracy. i like it because you have to be not only smart to do well on it but perform well under pressure and when you have to think quickly under pressure. again it doesnt go to the nfl too great...i think vince performs very well under pressure, at least as a quarterback and playing the game..he's simply a 'winner'.

But I don't like your arguement too much to tell you the truth. While those are all VERY bad scores...the majority is still TWICE as much as Vince scored..which is pretty lame.

I thought the score was 6...lol...
 
threetoedpete said:
Yep that JR memoralbillia just took a hit there big guy. And only someone with a built in prejudice wouldn't acknowlege the obvious. He not only is, noone else is even close.
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Lol, what is up with you bringing up Jerry Rice whenever talking about Calvin Johnson?

Larry Fitzgerald was a better prospect coming out of Pittsburgh.
 
SF49erFaithful said:
Lol, what is up with you bringing up Jerry Rice whenever talking about Calvin Johnson?

Larry Fitzgerald was a better prospect than CJ coming out of Pittsburgh.
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Larry Fitzgerald definitly had more hype....I guess it's just a matter of opinion.

I'd take Calvin Johnson over most players...he is simply amazing and I think he's one of the greatest prospects ever...he just doesn't have the hype. If ESPN talked about him a lot...every body and their mother would be saying yea he's the best but the majority of the people blindly follow espn's thoughts..
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Larry Fitzgerald definitly had more hype....I guess it's just a matter of opinion.

I'd take Calvin Johnson over most players...he is simply amazing and I think he's one of the greatest prospects ever...he just doesn't have the hype. If ESPN talked about him a lot...every body and their mother would be saying yea he's the best but the majority of the people blindly follow espn's thoughts..
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Agreed: Fitgerald is a fine tallent and I'm not knocking him at all. BUT, I watched the guy in five games. it was Jim Brownesque watching him play. Everyone KNEW he was going to get the ball...and there was nothing they could do about it. Talking about a guy putting the team on his shoulders, what was it old miss twelve TDs...with continous double and triple teams ? And that was with a sub par QB. Some of the blocks he had were just plain nasty ridiculous. Nope unless he slips on a bar of soap or something and never gets to play...he's the best I've ever seen coming out.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I don't want to talk about the Wonderlic Test too much. I like it and think it's kinda 'fun' test to give and take. it isn't a test that translates to the nfl with too much accuracy. i like it because you have to be not only smart to do well on it but perform well under pressure and when you have to think quickly under pressure. again it doesnt go to the nfl too great...i think vince performs very well under pressure, at least as a quarterback and playing the game..he's simply a 'winner'.

But I don't like your arguement too much to tell you the truth. While those are all VERY bad scores...the majority is still TWICE as much as Vince scored..which is pretty lame.
I thought the score was 6...lol...
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I'm just saying he hasn't seemed to have trouble on any level.
 
SF49erFaithful said:
Lol, what is up with you bringing up Jerry Rice whenever talking about Calvin Johnson?

Larry Fitzgerald was a better prospect coming out of Pittsburgh.
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what?? fitzgerald doesn't have the size or speed as johnson. not at all. johnson is a MUCH better prospect.
 
Participating at the combine really helped him too. If he went to a huge school, he probably would have gotten some dumb agent that would have played politics and kept him away from the combine.
 
phan1 said:
Participating at the combine really helped him too. If he went to a huge school, he probably would have gotten some dumb agent that would have played politics and kept him away from the combine.
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He would have been in the heisman race if he went to a national championship contender..imo.

i think it's simiply amazing he decided to run last minute and borrowed a pair of cleats.
 
kastofsna said:
you're thinking too concrete. never did i say that he can't digest a playbook BECAUSE of the wonderlic score. he's just not very smart. and both seem to signal that fairly easy.

but let's stop talking about his braindead vince young is. this is about calvin johnson.
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That sentence just about knocked me over with its irony.
 
the guy has a track record of the playbook being dumbed down. but the younglovers will deny it no matter what. HE'S A WINNER DERF
 
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