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kastofsna's Latest Mock

kastofsna said:
pretty much every player's 10-yard splits are important with the 40. the 40 for linemen is more just to determine how much of an overall athlete they are, it's not like coaches really care that much. unless it's drastically low.
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The 40 is overrated. Jerry Rice ran like a 4.6.
 
Kast - I don't want to sound rude because you took the time to make this mock, but why do you give SF Ted Ginn? Was it one of those picks where you didn't know where else to put him so you stuck him there, or do you think the 49ers will actually choose him?

People seriously need to stop giving SF a WR. And I'm not just saying this because I don't want it...it is no secret the 49ers plan on going defense at #11.
 
because if ted ginn is available at #11, he presents great value and the niners desperately need a WR and they will take ginn if he's available, as even though their focus may be on defense, they're also not idiots and will wait for the first 10 picks to play out before making their decision.
 
SF49erFaithful said:
Kast - I don't want to sound rude because you took the time to make this mock, but why do you give SF Ted Ginn? Was it one of those picks where you didn't know where else to put him so you stuck him there, or do you think the 49ers will actually choose him?

People seriously need to stop giving SF a WR. And I'm not just saying this because I don't want it...it is no secret the 49ers plan on going defense at #11.
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Seeing how San Fran needs some help on defense. what are the chances they trade up with houston (they give us their 1st and 3rd)??

If a player like Jamaal Anderson or Gaines Adams, Alan Branch or Amobi Okoye, or Landry or Nelson??

would they covet any of these players enough to trade up for them??? If not they'd still be sitting pretty to take a good player whoever falls to them. i just want a small trade down...so we can trade back up in the 1st w/ NE for Kalil.
 
DenverBorn said:
ZERO percent chance that Peterson falls to 8
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Yep, after that 4o time & other drill he was tops in, My man love was not enough to overcome the looming realization that he most likely wasn't going to be there; Dag!.................................:crying: :crying:
 
kastofsna said:
because if ted ginn is available at #11, he presents great value and the niners desperately need a WR and they will take ginn if he's available, as even though their focus may be on defense, they're also not idiots and will wait for the first 10 picks to play out before making their decision.
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Well I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on his value because I think that would be a reach. Also, I don't think our starters at WR (Antonio Bryant and Arnaz Battle) need to be improved too much, but our depth is rather poor. So since this draft is so deep at WR I think we could get someone in the 3rd or 4th round who could be the 3rd/4th wide receiver on the depth chart.

Other things to keep in mind...

1) The 49ers are a run-first team and not a passing one. We have a 1500+ yard rusher in Frank Gore and a larger, road-grading offensive line built for a power running game. This isn't a Bengal or Colt style offense which requires two 1,000 yard receivers.

2) People are too quick to forget who we drafted with our first pick last year. Vernon Davis was just a rookie and we need to be patient with him. Him and Alex Smith need to build some chemistry together over this offseason, and I expect much improved play from both. I think the same goes with Antonio Bryant as well, that he should continue to grow with Alex Smith. For instance, look at Arnaz Battle. He was the only starting reciever (Including TE) who was in SF Alex's rookie year, and they had two years together. Surprise, surprise! Battle broke out his 2nd season with Smith. So by next year the passing offense could improve, even without adding any new, starting receiving threats. Just by letting Alex Smith grow with guys like Bryant and Davis.

3) Just look at how bad our defense was. Here is a snippet from a post of mine from the 49ers board.
And defense is a far greater need. This season our defense gave up point totals of 34, 38, 41, 48, 41, 34, 30, and we even surrendered 20 points to a putrid Oakland offense. That is 7, count 'em, 7 times we gave up at least 30 points in a game.
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So if Ginn is available at #11, you can count on the 49ers passing on him.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Seeing how San Fran needs some help on defense. what are the chances they trade up with houston (they give us their 1st and 3rd)??

If a player like Jamaal Anderson or Gaines Adams, Alan Branch or Amobi Okoye, or Landry or Nelson??

would they covet any of these players enough to trade up for them??? If not they'd still be sitting pretty to take a good player whoever falls to them. i just want a small trade down...so we can trade back up in the 1st w/ NE for Kalil.
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It is hard to tell with the draft being as far away as it is. I guess it is possible wouldn't bank on it.
 
yup, i'm aware of all of that. still, ginn is good value and fills a need. makes sense. so i'll have the niners taking him for now.
 
SF49erFaithful said:
Well at least it is better than Dwayne Jarrett. :drunk:
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Ginn?? better than Jarrett?? he may be faster, but if i want a complete receiver i'm going with my boy Dwayne all the way. All that crap about past USC receivers not having much success in the league....who cares? That was then, this is now.
 
lol @ jarrett being complete. he has good hands, and that's it. terrible routes, slow, can't break away from corners, etc. very bad receiver.
 
Titan "Tack" Fan;604613 said:
The 40 is overrated. Jerry Rice ran like a 4.6.
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Yup, I agree. I'm not sure exactly how much other teams value drills like that but Mike Nolan and Scott McCloughan of the 49ers put very little stock into combine workouts and the wonderlic. At the combine they say the medical is definitely the most important thing about the combine followed by personal interviews.
 
kastofsna said:
lol @ jarrett being complete. he has good hands, and that's it. terrible routes, slow, can't break away from corners, etc. very bad receiver.
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haha. all the success he had in college was just a fluke, right? i'm not trying to get into it with you again, but....i mean, if it was jarrett or meachem, i'd take meachem, hands down. since the argument is jarrett or ginn, i'm going with jarrett.

I actually have Ted Ginn at #6 on my list of WRs.
 
Navy_Chris said:
Ginn?? better than Jarrett?? he may be faster, but if i want a complete receiver i'm going with my boy Dwayne all the way. All that crap about past USC receivers not having much success in the league....who cares? That was then, this is now.
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Jarrett was an excellent college receiver but he isn't that great of a prospect in my opinion. Nice hands and size? Yes. But a slow player who struggles mightily to get separation from even college corners.

I think the other Dwayne (Bowe that is) is a superior prospect than Ginn though. Big guy but is quick in and out of cuts and runs nice routes. His counterpart Craig Davis may make a nice NFL wideout as well.
 
Navy_Chris said:
haha. all the success he had in college was just a fluke, right? i'm not trying to get into it with you again, but....i mean, if it was jarrett or meachem, i'd take meachem, hands down. since the argument is jarrett or ginn, i'm going with jarrett.

I actually have Ted Ginn at #6 on my list of WRs.
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this si why ya can't just look at college production when projecting a player to the NFL.

i can tell ya right now without steve smith, jarrett is nothing. absolutely nothing. smith's precision routes and seperation sliced through defenses all the time, giving jarrett all kinds of great opprotunities to catch the ball. smith's now #3 on my board at WR. he's going to be great.
 
kastofsna said:
this si why ya can't just look at college production when projecting a player to the NFL.

i can tell ya right now without steve smith, jarrett is nothing. absolutely nothing. smith's precision routes and seperation sliced through defenses all the time, giving jarrett all kinds of great opprotunities to catch the ball. smith's now #3 on my board at WR. he's going to be great.
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1. Calvin Johnson
2. Robert Meachem
3. Dwayne Bowe
4. Sidney Rice
5. Dwayne Jarrett
6. Ted Ginn
7. Chansi Stuckey

In my newest mock, I have Meachem in the 2nd round. I know my Texans probably won't draft him, but I'd like to see it happen. I think it's funny how Meachem is 4 or 5 on everyone's list.

Steve Smith is good, but his height is a big question mark for me. How is he going to match up with taller, more physical corners in the league?
 
I don't really know how to do this, but some people are good at computers and can do magic with them. If you are one of those people, please pull up what I said about Meachem months ago. You will find that I have had him as the #2 WR in the draft for a LONG time.

If only people listened to YTF when he made predictions.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
I don't really know how to do this, but some people are good at computers and can do magic with them. If you are one of those people, please pull up what I said about Meachem months ago. You will find that I have had him as the #2 WR in the draft for a LONG time.

If only people listened to YTF when he made predictions.
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gotta give you yours for having meachem #2 for so long. I had him as my #5 receiver up until recently. His character is what really sealed the deal for me. He's a class act, and it doesn't hurt that he's good at football, either..haha.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
I don't really know how to do this, but some people are good at computers and can do magic with them. If you are one of those people, please pull up what I said about Meachem months ago. You will find that I have had him as the #2 WR in the draft for a LONG time.

If only people listened to YTF when he made predictions.
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I will concur. I don't remember about Meachem in particular. But I agree with a lot of the things you say. A lot of people have their opinions but you tend to bring validity to yours. Correct me if I'm wrong but you also brought up Reggie Nelson before most knew anything about him.

How people overlook the players in the SEC is beyond me. See Reggie Nelson, Robert Meachem, Patrick Willis, Chris Houston just to name a few.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I will concur. I don't remember about Meachem in particular. But I agree with a lot of the things you say. A lot of people have their opinions but you tend to bring validity to yours. Correct me if I'm wrong but you also brought up Reggie Nelson before most knew anything about him.

How people overlook the players in the SEC is beyond me. See Reggie Nelson, Robert Meachem, Patrick Willis, Chris Houston just to name a few.
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Whoa..don't lump me into that bunch, buddy. Reggie Nelson has always been just a tad under Landry since the end of the season in my book. The ONLY thing I don't like about Reggie is that he can be a bit TOO aggressive sometimes. But, most rookie DBs are.
 
Navy_Chris said:
Whoa..don't lump me into that bunch, buddy. Reggie Nelson has always been just a tad under Landry since the end of the season in my book. The ONLY thing I don't like about Reggie is that he can be a bit TOO aggressive sometimes. But, most rookie DBs are.
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I'm not saying anyone in particular. But what I mean is us talking about those guys at the beginning or middle of the season...back in september...not january.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I'm not saying anyone in particular. But what I mean is us talking about those guys at the beginning or middle of the season...back in september...not january.
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Oh. I'm a Gator fan through and through. So, Reggie's been on my radar for a long time. I'd like our first rounder to be Landry, in all honesty.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
I don't really know how to do this, but some people are good at computers and can do magic with them. If you are one of those people, please pull up what I said about Meachem months ago. You will find that I have had him as the #2 WR in the draft for a LONG time.

If only people listened to YTF when he made predictions.
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http://forums.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=33394&highlight=Meachem

1. CJ - top 3 pick
2. Meachem - AJ/^CJ clone. top 12 pick.
3. Rice - true #1 reciever
4. Bowe - underrated, top body control.
5. Jarrett - overrated. will be a #2 at best. possession reciver but better than mike williams...slightly.
6. Ginn - slot WR/special team standout at best. sloppy routes and questionable hands.
 
mexican_texan said:
http://forums.houstontexans.com/showthread.php?t=33394&highlight=Meachem

1. CJ - top 3 pick
2. Meachem - AJ/^CJ clone. top 12 pick.
3. Rice - true #1 reciever
4. Bowe - underrated, top body control.
5. Jarrett - overrated. will be a #2 at best. possession reciver but better than mike williams...slightly.
6. Ginn - slot WR/special team standout at best. sloppy routes and questionable hands.
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I was gona give you some rep, but I have to "spread it around first".

This is what I posted a while ago.

Rice surprised me with his time, I was expecting something around a 4.43. He is fast on the field though, and makes the plays. I still don't believe in Ginn as a WR, regardless of what Kastofsna says.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I will concur. I don't remember about Meachem in particular. But I agree with a lot of the things you say. A lot of people have their opinions but you tend to bring validity to yours. Correct me if I'm wrong but you also brought up Reggie Nelson before most knew anything about him.

How people overlook the players in the SEC is beyond me. See Reggie Nelson, Robert Meachem, Patrick Willis, Chris Houston just to name a few.
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Yes, I believe I was one of the first to even mention his name on our board.

I also was one of the first to bring Chris Houston to the spot-light. Mork did notice him at the same time I did, and convinced me some too.
 
I think Ginn will be a big assett to a team that has a lot of their #$@% together. He reminds me of a reggie bush pick to an extent. He'll add a diminsion to their game plan and will really contribute, but you have to have the rest of your offense intact.

Ginn will do really well if put on the right team.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
I was gona give you some rep, but I have to "spread it around first".

This is what I posted a while ago.

Rice surprised me with his time, I was expecting something around a 4.43. He is fast on the field though, and makes the plays. I still don't believe in Ginn as a WR, regardless of what Kastofsna says.
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Mike Mayock(I think) said it was Rice's expected time, as he builds up speed as he runs.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I think Ginn will be a big assett to a team that has a lot of their #$@% together. He reminds me of a reggie bush pick to an extent. He'll add a diminsion to their game plan and will really contribute, but you have to have the rest of your offense intact.

Ginn will do really well if put on the right team.
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Yes, if put on the Colts and told to return kicks and act as a decoy, he could see initial hype. If drafted to a team like Minny, he is screwed.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
I was gona give you some rep, but I have to "spread it around first".

This is what I posted a while ago.

Rice surprised me with his time, I was expecting something around a 4.43. He is fast on the field though, and makes the plays. I still don't believe in Ginn as a WR, regardless of what Kastofsna says.
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I think Kastofsna needs some help with his mock drafting. doesn't look or sound too viable to me.
 
kastofsna said:
lol @ jarrett being complete. he has good hands, and that's it. terrible routes, slow, can't break away from corners, etc. very bad receiver.
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Yea I was thinking the same thing when I read that. Maybe not terrible routes or he wouldnt have been as productive as he was but def sloppy routes.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Yea I was thinking the same thing when I read that. Maybe not terrible routes or he wouldnt have been as productive as he was but def sloppy routes.
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I thought Jarrett's routes were above average. He still managed to create enough seperation to make his receptions after every opponent knew about him. He may not get elite seperation, but he got what he needed.

Also, Kastofsna, Hall did cover Jarrett a few plays. One of those plays happened to be on a 60ish yard TD reception. I know it's off-topic, but I had to throw that in there.
 
one thing i remember about jarrett was the play in 2005 against notre dame. Wasn't it 4th down with like 1:30 left in the game?

Leinart put the ball right in front of him, the ND corner back could not have covered Jarrett and closer or better. I don't think Jarrett could even see the ball. But he caught it and it was a big like 50 yd 1st down, down field.

way off topic but i've always thought that was one of the best plays i've ever seen.

it's at the 14 sec mark, with a different angle at 44 sec.

doesn't show is speed or separation or anything but just thought the pass and catch was amazing..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=weu3ShNvyvE
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
one thing i remember about jarrett was the play in 2005 against notre dame. Wasn't it 4th down with like 1:30 left in the game?

Leinart put the ball right in front of him, the ND corner back could not have covered Jarrett and closer or better. I don't think Jarrett could even see the ball. But he caught it and it was a big like 50 yd 1st down, down field.

way off topic but i've always thought that was one of the best plays i've ever seen.

it's at the 14 sec mark, with a different angle at 44 sec.

doesn't show is speed or separation or anything but just thought the pass and catch was amazing..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=weu3ShNvyvE
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you're a smart man with a clear eye for talent. lol. jarrett has the best body control of any receiver i've seen in a long time...right there with CJ. that's why he's able to do the things he does. speed is only one part of a bigger equation. is it important? yes. if a receiver doesnt have blazing speed, is it a negative? no.
 
Anyone else see the NFL Network run the piece on Jarrett? They showed game film of him and many of the plays which showed him being covered by Chris Houston (Arkansas). Houston wouldn't let him off the LOS and Jarrett struggled significantly.
 
any corner worth their weight in salt shutdown jarrett in one-on-one situations. then again, houston also faced robert meachem, sidney rice, dwayne bowe and andre caldwell and only allowed one TD to all of them.
 
kastofsna said:
blah blah blah the 40 is overrated blah blah blah stats mean nothing blah blah blah
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Remind me the last time the 40 mattered. Vince Young ran like a 4.6 and he ran Rashean Mathis down from behind. Go ahead, im listening.

I mean you call Jarrett a "very bad receiver." What kind of expert thinks he's a very bad receiver? You know what very bad receivers are doing? Sitting at home watching Jarrett get drafted while they coach peewee football.
 
kastofsna said:
any corner worth their weight in salt shutdown jarrett in one-on-one situations. then again, houston also faced robert meachem, sidney rice, dwayne bowe and andre caldwell and only allowed one TD to all of them.
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Yeah but I'm not sure how much weight that argument carries. Didn't Mike Rumph not allow any TD's at Miami? :tease:
 
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