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Which QB had a better college career?

Which QB had a better college career?

  • David Carr

    Votes: 26 30.2%

  • Vince Young

    Votes: 60 69.8%
  • Total voters
    86
I will say this ... David Carr had a monster senior year .

Vince had really good stats but was great in two Rose Bowls . One for a National Championship .

Vince had a great team .

Carr played in a much weaker conference .
 
Huge said:
So I'll pose the question again, if Vince was an average QB, who, in your opinion, was a good QB?
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Leinart was probably the better QB of the two. The 2004 Heisman Trophy winner, recorded a 37-2 record as a starter at USC, a 94.8% winning percentage. Led the University of Southern California to National Championships in 2003 and 2004, becoming only the third quarterback in the last 30 years to lead his team to back-to-back National Championships.
The only reason vy went before him in the draft is because he can run better, more of a running back trait than a true-blue QB, IMO. You never saw Joe Montana making long-legged gaits for the goal line did you? I think a good QB has a more dependable throw than run. But that is me. If you want to run, hand it off.
Huge said:
If Vince was successful because of the talent surrounding him, was Reggie Bush an average RB? Because I guarantee he had just as much, if not more, surrounding talent than Vince did.
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He was a good back, but was been average in the NFL his rookie year. He made an exceptional receiver, but just a so-so back. Heck yeah, I'd chalk up his success in college to a good offensive line. I bet he would too.
Huge said:
I can see how this is relevent. Actually, I can't.
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Carr went first in his draft. vy went third, but would have gone second if we had picked Bush. He never had a shot at going first, even winning the National Championship with UT. Pretty self explanatory.
Everyone was predicting Bush to go before vy because they thought he was the better first pick in the past draft. The Mario pick just shocked everyone (though I'm glad we made it). Bush, at least to the Saints next in line, was a better pick than vy, despite his ability to score by running. They already had Brees, who is a better QB.
 
OrangeCountyTexansFan said:
Nope, not a joke. You totally missed the point. Winning a National Championship is a team effort. vy would not have been there without that particular team. Period.
FACT -- Rex Grossman won the NFC Championship. Does that mean he is a better QB than Drew Brees? No. But he still won the NFC Championship. All on him, or a team effort? Stick with your main arguement when you reply.
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Hey, i'm not a Vy fan, In fact some on here would argue that i am a Vy hater, but you cannot dispute what that guy did on the biggest stage in college football, his stats were ridiculous in that game. & don't forget about the Rose Bowl the year before. Winning the NC is a team effort, but his skill basically kept them in the game when USC made their run.

i'll say this, even if he doesn't win the NC, he still has a better college career than DC by a long way too. Stats don't tell everything.
 
UT changed its offensive scheme to complement one player and won a national championship by leveraging VY's skill set and leadership. UT won a NC in spite of their OC Greg Davis.

Moreover, VY's skill set scales at the next level unlike products of Tedford.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I will say this ... David Carr had a monster senior year.
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Think of it this way...

Carr's Sr season stats - 344/533 (64.5%), 4,839 yards, 46 TDs, 9 INTs

Factor in that many attempts during Vince's Jr season and it might look something like this...

Young's Jr season stats - 347/533 (65.2%), 4,978 yards, 42 TDs, 16 INTs

Carr - WAC
Young - Big12

Carr - Not known for his running
Young - Not known for his passing
OrangeCountyTexansFan said:
Leinart was probably the better QB of the two. The 2004 Heisman Trophy winner, recorded a 37-2 record as a starter at USC, a 94.8% winning percentage. Led the University of Southern California to National Championships in 2003 and 2004, becoming only the third quarterback in the last 30 years to lead his team to back-to-back National Championships.
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So let me make sure I have this straight:

"Good"=
Heisman Trophy winner
37-2 starting record (94.87%)
2 National Championship ('Course, we all know who he lost to on his 3rd try)

"Average"=
Heisman Trophy runner-up
30-2 starting record (93.75%)
1 National Championship (And had he returned for his Sr. season...who knows?)


OrangeCountyTexansFan said:
The only reason vy went before him in the draft is because he can run better, more of a running back trait than a true-blue QB, IMO. You never saw Joe Montana making long-legged gaits for the goal line did you? I think a good QB has a more dependable throw than run. But that is me. If you want to run, hand it off.
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Completely irrelevant when discussing collegiate QBs and their careers.

By your standards, Tommie Frazier wasn't much of a college QB. If those are your standards for collegiate QBs, let me know and I'll stop right here because we're on completely different levels.

OrangeCountyTexansFan said:
He was a good back, but was been average in the NFL his rookie year. He made an exceptional receiver, but just a so-so back. Heck yeah, I'd chalk up his success in college to a good offensive line. I bet he would too.
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Once again, what does their rookie seasons (or any year in the NFL) have to do with their collegiate careers?

And I'm aware much of his success can be attributed to the OL (USC's OL will have more players in the NFL than what Texas' will). But that's not what I asked. I asked if you considered Reggie to be "average"...just as you have with Vince...because his surrounding talent made him look better than what they were/are.

OrangeCountyTexansFan said:
Carr went first in his draft. vy went third, but would have gone second if we had picked Bush. He never had a shot at going first, even winning the National Championship with UT. Pretty self explanatory.
Everyone was predicting Bush to go before vy because they thought he was the better first pick in the past draft. The Mario pick just shocked everyone (though I'm glad we made it). Bush, at least to the Saints next in line, was a better pick than vy, despite his ability to score by running. They already had Brees, who is a better QB.
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Once again, the relevance of this when comparing their collegiate careers?

Gino Toretta wasn't drafted until the 7th round. Does that mean Drew Bledsoe, Rick Mirer, Billy Joe Hobert, and Mark Brunell (QBs that were drafted before Toretta in the '93 draft) had better collegiate careers than Gino? If you used the same logic you used to explain how Leinart was a better QB than Young (winning percentage, National Championships, etc.) it wouldn't.
 
OrangeCountyTexansFan said:
Carr went first in his draft. vy went third, but would have gone second if we had picked Bush. He never had a shot at going first, even winning the National Championship with UT. Pretty self explanatory.
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& if the Houston Texans had shown th dissatisfaction last year that they've shown this year with David Carr, Vince would have been hands down, expected to go #1 overall.

If the Saints had not signed Brees, Reggie would have slid at least another spot.

It's not about the best player. Never has been. If so, Julius Peppers would have been the #1 pick 5 years ago.
OrangeCountyTexansFan said:
Everyone was predicting Bush to go before vy because they thought he was the better first pick in the past draft. The Mario pick just shocked everyone (though I'm glad we made it). Bush, at least to the Saints next in line, was a better pick than vy, despite his ability to score by running. They already had Brees, who is a better QB.
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They've already got Duece.... which is a better running back. & they've already got Horn, who is a better reciever. They had Stalworth who is a better reciever, they have Henderson, who is a better reciever, & they've got Colston, who is a better reciever.

What are we arguing about??
 
how can this even be a discussion? young clearly had the better career.

although it's kinda ridiculous to use "what if he came back for his senior year??" as an argument for young, because...he didn't. what if david carr won a national title at fresno state? fact is: young won a title, went to new york for the heisman presentation, and is certainly going to be remembered a lot more than carr.
 
VY dominated two Rose bowls one being the national championship.

IMO if carr was in the same draft as VY he wouldnt have been a top 10 pick.
 
VY's final seasonn will be remembered in the hearts of those who loved him as well as in the hearts of those that hatedd him.

Carr threw the ball a lot.
 
Young had a historic college career and if you can't see 30-2 and two Rose Bowl wins...I can't help ya. Young's 30-2 run will be remembered for many years and by many football fans for a long, long time. Ask any football fan across the country who the most compelling player was in 2002 and I bet Carr gets a mention or two but I mean, just look at the message board here....most of the people here didn't even know who David Carr was until the season was nearly over and the Texans were interested in him. To me Carr's college stats were like Timmy Chang, Kliff Kingsbury or David Klingler's stats...pumped up gimmick college passing game stats. I'm sure those guys are great guys just like Carr but neither of them had a better college career than Vince Young even though they had fantastic stats....as much as I say stats don't translate in football like they do in baseball I hate to see people think that stats = physically dominant players. Year after year guys like Timmy Chang, Kliff Kingsbury, and David Carr will put massive stat lines....but stats are misleading...if they weren't Timmy Chang, David Klingler, Jason White, Andre Ware and BY Symmons would all be NFL studs.
 
It's not like Tom Brady had this glorious college carrer and he was drafted in the 6th round for cying out loud. And he's a "Golden Boy" also from California that was "coddled" in college before he given the 1st string assignment. Hardly anyone remembers Brady in college unless you follow the Big Ten. So what does that say? Hardly any of this translates to the NFL, the picks are still a crap shoot and you have to given the opportunity to win. Both NE and the Steelers had great defenses. We do not, it's not a coincedence.

What happend to VY record setting accuracy in the NFL?
 
Well, I won't argue stats or the rookie season (even though that tells a heck of a lot for a draft pick, but hey, what do I know?) because Huge will just pick it to pieces and ask another question that I already answered if he cared to really read the post.
They both made the NFL. Both must have had pretty damn good college careers. I'll leave it at that. But if I'm drafting (which I'm not before you point out the obvious), I want a QB that can throw more than one that runs. So I'll probably look for passing stats over rushing. To each his own though.
 
I cannot begin or even fully explain why- but watching the senior bowl replay again there is something special about that Pitt signal caller Tyler Palko they called a "system QB".........not very big, not gifted athleticly as a matter of fact the exact opposite of the spectrum from a top rated talent, like a Vince Young. but from the QB position you can expect the unexpected. he has that uncanny ability to make plays is tough both mentally & physically takes linebackers head on. he's got a similar release & a natural lefty like a certain guy from ND named Joe Montana. does anyone remember what round Montana was drafted? :bubble:
 
beerlover said:
.....like a certain guy from ND named Joe Montana. does anyone remember what round Montana was drafted? :bubble:
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He was taken in the third round. Would be pretty cool if we can take a quarterback like Joe Montana or a Tom Brady in the third, fourth, or fifth round. Talk about a steal.:yes:
 
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