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Kiper's Latest Mock (top 16)

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1. Oakland Raiders, JaMarcus Russell*QB
2. Detroit Lions, Joe Thomas, OT, Wisconsin
3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Calvin Johnson*, WR, Georgia Tech
4. Cleveland Browns, Adrian Peterson*, RB, Oklahoma
5. Arizona Cardinals, Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson
6. Washington Redskins, Jamaal Anderson*, DE, Arkansas
7. Minnesota Vikings, Ted Ginn Jr.*, WR, Ohio State
8. Houston Texans, Levi Brown, OT, Penn State
9. Miami Dolphins, Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame
10. Atlanta Falcons, LaRon Landry, S, LSU
11. San Francisco 49ers, Alan Branch*, DT, Michigan
12. Buffalo Bills, Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville
13. St. Louis Rams, Charles Johnson*, DE, Georgia
14. Carolina Panthers, Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU
15. Pittsburgh Steelers, Jarvis Moss*, DE, Florida
16. Green Bay Packers, Marshawn Lynch*, RB, California
 
Can we find last years mocks and compare them with the real thing? This IS the 1st mock I've seen where we don't get AP, though.
 
I have a bad feeling that this one is pretty close...

I do see Cleveland taking Peterson. I just hope it is a nightmare and I will wake up from it sometime in April...

Cleveland needs O help bad. A QB, a RB, or an OL. I just don't know for sure which way they will go...
 
It all depends on what Cleveland does. I'm really beginning to wonder if the Texans aren't turning their attention to the plethora of FA running backs hitting the market this year. If the teams wants Levi over Branch or Okoye, I would suspect the trade-down scenario. San Fran or Buffalo may want Branch badly.
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
I have a bad feeling that this one is pretty close...
Cleveland needs O help bad. A QB, a RB, or an OL. I just don't know for sure which way they will go... It is Matt Millen after all...
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that'll be Detroit my man.

and about Levi, i see him jumping up board come combine time and also becuase he's the only other legit 1st rd OL. and i dont see it being a travesty if we did get Brown though. AP's my first choice though.

and what plethrea of FA RBs are you talking about?? A Green?? Chris Brown? Buckhalter? other ones are restricted FAs that'll want a 1st rounder.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2007/nfl/freeagentsRB.html
 
Docbar I've seen a couple that have us taking Okoye and one taking Anderson but like you said 97% have us taking AP. I like this mock awhole lot better than most need to fix the O-line first then get the skill players.

IMO Petersons value is going to do nothing but go up, we have to face the facts that he is the best RB in the draft and there are seven teams picking in front of us I dont see one letting him slide to #8.

Bad news for the Texans is Levi's stock is going up as well and he might not be there a #8 as well.(dam senior bowl) Last ESPN report I read has Levi as one of the first 15 pick in RD1

Just reviewed this mock again. Does anyone else have a problem with Minn. taking Ginn Jr. at #7 most reports I've seen have him mid-first round(15-25)
 
AtheGreat said:
that'll be Detroit my man.

and about Levi, i see him jumping up board come combine time and also becuase he's the only other legit 1st rd OL. and i dont see it being a travesty if we did get Brown though. AP's my first choice though.

and what plethrea of FA RBs are you talking about?? A Green?? Chris Brown? Buckhalter? other ones are restricted FAs that'll want a 1st rounder.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2007/nfl/freeagentsRB.html
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Can't remember his name but I think LT's back-up in SD is a URF this year I dont know maybe I'm out in left field on this one, just something about last years FA his name was talked about alot.
 
AtheGreat said:
that'll be Detroit my man.

and about Levi, i see him jumping up board come combine time and also becuase he's the only other legit 1st rd OL. and i dont see it being a travesty if we did get Brown though. AP's my first choice though.

and what plethrea of FA RBs are you talking about?? A Green?? Chris Brown? Buckhalter? other ones are restricted FAs that'll want a 1st rounder.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2007/nfl/freeagentsRB.html
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Thanks for the heads up... Was still waiting on the coffee pot to brew it's magic potion... I corrected it...

Must be the clouds in my eyes...
 
this is the first mock I've seen that has Tampa picking before Cleveland. I doubt this has been deceided but has anyone heard different?
 
AtheGreat said:
that'll be Detroit my man.

and about Levi, i see him jumping up board come combine time and also becuase he's the only other legit 1st rd OL. and i dont see it being a travesty if we did get Brown though. AP's my first choice though.

and what plethrea of FA RBs are you talking about?? A Green?? Chris Brown? Buckhalter? other ones are restricted FAs that'll want a 1st rounder.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2007/nfl/freeagentsRB.html
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There are options. Your Footballs future lists several, and you gave two. The biggest possibility seems to be Ahman Green coming from the Packers to play for Sherman.

Dominic Rhodes also is UFA. So is Chris Brown, who might fit well into the current Houston "run by committee" system.

I have heard Thomas Jones could be let go from Chicago.

Everybody's favorite football pothead could be looking for a new place to run.
 
Tx'nFanLostInSkinCountry said:
Can't remember his name but I think LT's back-up in SD is a URF this year I dont know maybe I'm out in left field on this one, just something about last years FA his name was talked about alot.
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There are 2 free Agents this summer that teams want and both are Restricted. 1 is Atlanta's back-up QB and the other is San Diego's back-up RB. Neither will make it off there teams right now without costing someone the kitchen sink, IMHO...
 
OSQ said:
There are options. Your Footballs future lists several, and you gave two. The biggest possibility seems to be Ahman Green coming from the Packers to play for Sherman.

Dominic Rhodes also is UFA. So is Chris Brown, who might fit well into the current Houston "run by committee" system.

I have heard Thomas Jones could be let go from Chicago.

Everybody's favorite football pothead could be looking for a new place to run.
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Ahman, you serious? :ok: what would he bring to us that we dont already have? out of all those guys, i'd only consider Rhodes. and of those, none of them really stick out to me as a gamebreaker. only turner, who'll have a 1st rd price tag, is one that'd i want.

and about t jones, why would a team that got to the super bowl with him as RB, not benson, and get 100yds of rushing against a team that hadn't got 100yds on them in 3 playoff games. just doesn't sound realistic.
 
beerlover said:
this is the first mock I've seen that has Tampa picking before Cleveland. I doubt this has been deceided but has anyone heard different?
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it could go either way just as easily. kiper said "3 or 4" for both spots. he just put tampa first.
 
AtheGreat said:
Ahman, you serious? :ok: what would he bring to us that we dont already have? out of all those guys, i'd only consider Rhodes. and of those, none of them really stick out to me as a gamebreaker. only turner, who'll have a 1st rd price tag, is one that'd i want.

and about t jones, why would a team that got to the super bowl with him as RB, not benson, and get 100yds of rushing against a team that hadn't got 100yds on them in 3 playoff games. just doesn't sound realistic.
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Currently I am working under the theory that the Texans have no running game and could use any help to raise the bar there. That, and Ahman Green having been plucked from Seattle to play for Green Bay by Mike Sherman, I think, puts him at the top of the list.

Link: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCL/is_5_31/ai_80678721

As stated in the Player News at this link, Thomas Jones could be let go because of Benson.
 
I've seen TJ play while at UVA whould love to see him in a Texans Uni. Just dont know if Mcnaire is willing to deal with the Attuide he has. Also I dont know what his contract is like with Da Bears.
 
kastofsna said:
it could go either way just as easily. kiper said "3 or 4" for both spots. he just put tampa first.
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Ok, thought NFL might/was having coin flip during Super Bowl weekend, so any ideas when they settle this issue?

w/tampa picking before Cleveland it makes it a lot simpler for Calvin to fall into Grudens offense, then Peterson to Browns @ #4.
 
beerlover said:
Ok, thought NFL might/was having coin flip during Super Bowl weekend, so any ideas when they settle this issue?

w/tampa picking before Cleveland it makes it a lot simpler for Calvin to fall into Grudens offense, then Peterson to Browns @ #4.
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All tiebreakers or coin flips are done at the combine.
 
OSQ said:
As stated in the Player News at this link, Thomas Jones could be let go because of Benson.
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The Bears will be trying to get back to the Super Bowl. They aren't going to trade their best back just to give Benson a starting job. What has Benson done to show he deserves the nod over Jones? Nothing, nada, zip.

Romeo Crennel has seen Charlie Weis develop QBs first hand. He needs a QB, and he won't pass up a Weis pupil with talent. If Quinn makes it to the Browns pick, that's the biggest lock in the draft.
 
I just don't see Brady Quinn dropping to #9 and the Raiders taking Russell at #1. Cleveland may have a tough choice at # 3 between Quinn and Peterson.
 
Tx'nFanLostInSkinCountry said:
Docbar I've seen a couple that have us taking Okoye and one taking Anderson but like you said 97% have us taking AP. I like this mock awhole lot better than most need to fix the O-line first then get the skill players.

IMO Petersons value is going to do nothing but go up, we have to face the facts that he is the best RB in the draft and there are seven teams picking in front of us I dont see one letting him slide to #8.

Bad news for the Texans is Levi's stock is going up as well and he might not be there a #8 as well.(dam senior bowl) Last ESPN report I read has Levi as one of the first 15 pick in RD1

Just reviewed this mock again. Does anyone else have a problem with Minn. taking Ginn Jr. at #7 most reports I've seen have him mid-first round(15-25)
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Picking in the 8 spot is kind of awkward. Low enough to maybe get elite talent but high enough that you might be tempted to reach. I'm backing off of my anti-AP stance and hoping we draft the BPA period.
 
So If Quinn is there at #8 and Peterson is gone, would you take Quinn? Does anybody consider him a good pick at #8? I wouldn't mind the Texans pulling the trigger if Quinn is there at #8.
 
atxcoolguy said:
So If Quinn is there at #8 and Peterson is gone, would you take Quinn? Does anybody consider him a good pick at #8? I wouldn't mind the Texans pulling the trigger if Quinn is there at #8.
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for some reason I doubt the Texans use their #1 on a QB & opt to address need via FA or draft later, but Quinn might be tempting :winky:
 
atxcoolguy said:
So If Quinn is there at #8 and Peterson is gone, would you take Quinn? Does anybody consider him a good pick at #8? I wouldn't mind the Texans pulling the trigger if Quinn is there at #8.
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I wouldn't.

The only reason Quinn is being hyped is because he is the #2 QB in this draft class.

In last year's class he would have been either the #4 or #5 QB in the draft.

I dont want a QB in this draft at any pick. We have too many other needs.
 
kastofsna said:
heh, talked to one scout today who said he'd take quinn over anyone in last year's draft.
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based on what? i really dont see anything that special in quinn and i would be really dissapointed if we drafted him at 8 should he fall. nothing would tick people off more then passing on vy, then drafting a qb in the first round next year.
 
run-david-run said:
based on what? i really dont see anything that special in quinn and i would be really dissapointed if we drafted him at 8 should he fall. nothing would tick people off more then passing on vy, then drafting a qb in the first round next year.
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based on his opinion of being a scout on the college/NFL level and not just an armchair QB like most of us are. not saying he is right, but he sure knows alot more than the rest of us.
 
dirty steve said:
based on his opinion of being a scout on the college/NFL level and not just an armchair QB like most of us are. not saying he is right, but he sure knows alot more than the rest of us.
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That's right....

The "experts" are hardly ever wrong....

:ok:
 
can't say i agree with him (i'd take leinart and cutler easily), but a lot of scouts see the same thing with quinn: prototypical QB. strong, smart, accurate, good arm, reads the defense well, experience in a pro-style offense, hard worker, athletic, a leader, some big late-game heroics, etc. i just can't see how he could possibly fail.
 
Lucky said:
Romeo Crennel has seen Charlie Weis develop QBs first hand. He needs a QB, and he won't pass up a Weis pupil with talent. If Quinn makes it to the Browns pick, that's the biggest lock in the draft.
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I don't understand this "need" the Browns have to find a franchise QB. Charlie Fry has better numbers than David Carr did his first two years.

& if we're going to blame the offensive line, if you look at the ratio of sacks/attempt, Frye was sacked 13% of the time, where Carr was sacked 17% of the time their first year, & Frye 11% of the times, & Carr 5% their second year.

Frye's Completion percentage & Rating is higher than David's were, and he's thrown 14 TDs & 22 Ints compared to Carr's 18 TDs & 28 Ints.

I'm not Carr's biggest fans, but I agree that year two was too early to replace him considering the production he was giving us.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
That's right....

The "experts" are hardly ever wrong....

:ok:
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I remember last years draft we all thought Winston would go a lot higher. I think a lot of us here would have pulled the trigger on him in the 2nd roudn. Then when the 3rd round came up and they picked spencer everyone was like who? what the hell? then they got winston next. Sure the experts are wrong a lot...but i hate to admit it they know more than me. i'm just glad the experts in our front office from here on out are going to be a lot better...just think if we didn't have demeco.

KJ3 said:
brown won't be as thrilling as AP will be, but OLine help wouldn't suck at all. i think this mock looks a lot more...real. i never really thought AP would fall to us...but if he does, there's no passing him up.

and if brady quinn is available (and assuming AP is gone) i think you have to entertain as many trade down offers as you can. get a couple of picks in later rounds...
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My thinking exactly. if AP is there we have to take him. If not and Quinn is which I really see happening..I would think we could get some trade value over that.... I don't see us getting too many good offers unless we have a few of the top guys fall to us.
 
OSQ said:
Dominic Rhodes also is UFA. So is Chris Brown, who might fit well into the current Houston "run by committee" system.

I have heard Thomas Jones could be let go from Chicago.

Everybody's favorite football pothead could be looking for a new place to run.
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Rhodes and C Brown I like, for the same reason I like combing the fantasy football waiver wire and using my opponent's castoffs to drum him with. It does not happen often, but when it does, it's a beautiful thing. I imagine C Brown would be...doubly motivated...at least 2 games out of the year. I like the idea of putting the ball in his hands, and keeping it out of VY's.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I remember last years draft we all thought Winston would go a lot higher. I think a lot of us here would have pulled the trigger on him in the 2nd roudn. Then when the 3rd round came up and they picked spencer everyone was like who? what the hell? then they got winston next. Sure the experts are wrong a lot...but i hate to admit it they know more than me. i'm just glad the experts in our front office from here on out are going to be a lot better...just think if we didn't have demeco.
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Evaluating talent and predicting where a player will be drafted are not the same thing.

Luck played a big role in being able to get Spencer and Winston back to back. Luck has a lot to do with landing targeted guys in spots where you didn't think they'd be.

Question: How many times have players been taken and been bust ? not lived up to their potential ? or been better than everyone thought they'd be ?

Answer: Too often for anyone to call themselves an expert
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't understand this "need" the Browns have to find a franchise QB. Charlie Fry has better numbers than David Carr did his first two years.
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Everything seems to come to a David Carr comparison, huh? Not every team in the league asks themselves "What would Charley Casserly do?" before making a draft pick. Unless, it's to ensure they do the opposite.

A couple of things to remember. One, the Browns have not made the same investment in Frye (with an "e") the Texans made in Carr. Two, Frye hasn't shown the potential that would make the Browns pass on a prospect like Quinn.
 
Lucky said:
Everything seems to come to a David Carr comparison, huh? Not every team in the league asks themselves "What would Charley Casserly do?" before making a draft pick. Unless, it's to ensure they do the opposite.
A couple of things to remember. One, the Browns have not made the same investment in Frye (with an "e") the Texans made in Carr. Two, Frye hasn't shown the potential that would make the Browns pass on a prospect like Quinn.
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I wonder if they sit around and think "well, he IS better than Carr, so it COULD be worse..."
 
kastofsna said:
1. Oakland Raiders, JaMarcus Russell*QB
2. Detroit Lions, Joe Thomas, OT, Wisconsin
3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Calvin Johnson*, WR, Georgia Tech
4. Cleveland Browns, Adrian Peterson*, RB, Oklahoma
5. Arizona Cardinals, Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson
6. Washington Redskins, Jamaal Anderson*, DE, Arkansas
7. Minnesota Vikings, Ted Ginn Jr.*, WR, Ohio State
8. Houston Texans, Levi Brown, OT, Penn State
9. Miami Dolphins, Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame
10. Atlanta Falcons, LaRon Landry, S, LSU
11. San Francisco 49ers, Alan Branch*, DT, Michigan
12. Buffalo Bills, Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville
13. St. Louis Rams, Charles Johnson*, DE, Georgia
14. Carolina Panthers, Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU
15. Pittsburgh Steelers, Jarvis Moss*, DE, Florida
16. Green Bay Packers, Marshawn Lynch*, RB, California
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If Levi Brown is the guy we want, we could easily trade down to get him. Why would we draft him that high?
 
Lucky said:
Everything seems to come to a David Carr comparison, huh? Not every team in the league asks themselves "What would Charley Casserly do?" before making a draft pick. Unless, it's to ensure they do the opposite.

A couple of things to remember. One, the Browns have not made the same investment in Frye (with an "e") the Texans made in Carr. Two, Frye hasn't shown the potential that would make the Browns pass on a prospect like Quinn.
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Less money involved, better production...... I'd say he was a keeper, and take that RB from Texas by way of Oaklahoma.

Charlie Frye + Adrain Peterson > Brady Quinn + Reuben Droughns but that's just me.
 
kastofsna said:
1. Oakland Raiders, JaMarcus Russell*QB
2. Detroit Lions, Joe Thomas, OT, Wisconsin
3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Calvin Johnson*, WR, Georgia Tech
4. Cleveland Browns, Adrian Peterson*, RB, Oklahoma
5. Arizona Cardinals, Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson
6. Washington Redskins, Jamaal Anderson*, DE, Arkansas
7. Minnesota Vikings, Ted Ginn Jr.*, WR, Ohio State
8. Houston Texans, Levi Brown, OT, Penn State
9. Miami Dolphins, Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame
10. Atlanta Falcons, LaRon Landry, S, LSU
11. San Francisco 49ers, Alan Branch*, DT, Michigan
12. Buffalo Bills, Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville
13. St. Louis Rams, Charles Johnson*, DE, Georgia
14. Carolina Panthers, Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU
15. Pittsburgh Steelers, Jarvis Moss*, DE, Florida
16. Green Bay Packers, Marshawn Lynch*, RB, California
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That's the first mock that I've seen that has Jarvis Moss going that high. Every other one has him going in the 2nd.
 
What popped to me was why not dangle Quinn @ #8 to Miami to trade down one spot and pick up an extra 4th & still get your OT? Is it worth a 4th to Dolphins? I really hope Quinn goes higher to increase our chances for AP
 
DocBar said:
Picking in the 8 spot is kind of awkward. Low enough to maybe get elite talent but high enough that you might be tempted to reach. I'm backing off of my anti-AP stance and hoping we draft the BPA period.
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If Peterson makes it past Cleveland/Detroit, then he'll likely be available at #8, barring some trade. All these Mock guys are using BPA with an eye on need, but not the emphasis a desperate fan(GM) would have on need.

That's why you see Jamarcus Russell going to Oakland in many drafts, and Calvin Johnson in others..... CJ is the BPA in this draft..... but some folks see a desperate need for the Raiders to get a rookie QB now.

Let's say Atlanta, who has desperately needed an Elite WR for the last 7 years decides to deal Matt Shaub for Porter & Moss... just sayin....... how likely is it that the Raiders will take Russell??

So there is always a need factor.

Levi has been impressing everybody since the Senior Bowl... throw in a good combine, and we won't be the only people looking at him.


That is if we are even looking at him to begin with.
 
I think that we won't trade out of the #8 spot. These guys are smarter than that. Casserly had more draft day trades because he was easy to get over on.
 
Battle Red Bull said:
I think that we won't trade out of the #8 spot. These guys are smarter than that. Casserly had more draft day trades because he was easy to get over on.
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Rick Smith has repeatedly said he would not reach, even if it was a player we need. He said he would pick the best player available, and Levi Brown at #8 will not be the best available. In front of him, you're gonna have Okoye, maybe Landry and Nelson. No way does Levi go to us at #8. He's boom or bust. Too risky to me. Remember when we drafted Travis Johnson #16?? That certainly worked out well didn't it. (sarcasm)
 
Weird stuff....

One week ago...
JAXwithanX said:
I don't know why we are even talking about AP at 8. If he performs up to 70% of his talent at the combine he won't be around there. And if he doesn't perform up to his talent at the combine....its because of some injury issues, thus hopefully pulling us out as well.
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JAXwithanX said:
I'm glad people are starting to get past the dream of AP falling to us. We are talking about a guy who had everyone talking about AP in 04 as a freshman....the sophmore Reggie Bush was an afterthought. So if he shows in the combine and physicals there is no concern over his past injuries (which were never career threatening ones anyways, bad luck really), watch out for an explosion of gushing by media outlets similar to last year with RB. I don't know why mocks including ESPN's perpetuated this completely schewed assumption. If Adrian Peterson is there at 8.....there is a reason....and it won't be because God is smiling down on the Texans.
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looks like it is happening faster than expected....

unless the Texans are going to trade up....AP won't even come close to being in Houston.
 
Navy_Chris said:
Rick Smith has repeatedly said he would not reach, even if it was a player we need. He said he would pick the best player available, and Levi Brown at #8 will not be the best available. In front of him, you're gonna have Okoye, maybe Landry and Nelson. No way does Levi go to us at #8. He's boom or bust.
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How do you know that, are you an NFL talent scout?? Maybe Brown is a good value to the Texans at #8. Perhaps they feel that he can truly become a dominant LT in this league! Lets face it no one knows what or who the Texans are focusing in on in the 1st round except them, and I would even say that they aren't even completely sure who they have ranked out where yet, we still have a couple months of evaluation before they will know all the measurables. I am in the drafting AP if he is available at #8 BUT we also have to consider that if he isn't there that maybe they have Brown and a players such as Okoye, Landry and Nelson graded out the same, it would make sense to take Brown since the tackle talent is lacking this year and we are in desperate need of O-Line help, and the chances of a top tier safety prospect falling to us in the 2nd is higher than a top tier O-Line talent!
 
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