Haams
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You really want to spend our first pick 2 years in a row on Defensive Ends?
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Louisville DT Amobi Okoye
- Thread starter GoHornsGo
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You really want to spend our first pick 2 years in a row on Defensive Ends?
Okoye: 5.15
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/dt/amobiokoye.html
Okoye: 5.10
http://football.about.com/od/nflplayerprofiles/p/amobiokoye.htm
Okoye: 4.95-5.10
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=13143
Freeney: 4.48 (official time)
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2002/profiles/freeney_dwight.htm
Freeney had 17.5 sacks as a SR and 13 as a JR... that's production and freakish athleticism... the Colts had a pretty good idea of what they were getting.
You're doing the same thing the Texans organization did last year when they assumed that Mario's timed 4.7 40 would guarantee them an elite edge rusher.
They didn't get one did they ?
It's a lot less than 40 yards from the Dline edge to the QB, and I think quickness, especially that first step to avoid the OT, is more important than
a 40 time.
Actually I dunno if #8 is too high for this guy, but would be surprised if he's
not gone in the top half of the first round. We'll see how he does the rest of
this week in Mobile and at the Indy combine.
Freeney may have 17 in the last year of college, but he played DE and not inside.
Maddict5
Hall of Fame
Well Elvis Dumervil was slower and smaller than Mario and look who got all the sacks. Speed matters for edge rushers... so does leverage, quickness, and skill. I just don't think you can compare the fastest DE to ever play with a quick DT who favors a spin move. I think Tommie Harris is a better comparable, and he's just not the athlete Harris is. He may prove to be a better pass rusher... but he certainly isn't close to Harris right now.
All these guys cover the draft... some mroe closely than others... but that's a decent caucus. Okoye was listed at 312 all season. He weighed in in Mobile at 287... thus the discrepancies. As you can see NFLdraftscout has adjusted it's weight because of this.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Absolutely, if we have a shot at Anderson or Adams. I entertain the visions of Reggie White on one side and Julius Peppers on the other and opposing QBs having less than 3 secs to throw. This being possible with out having to blitz. Defense First!
Maddict5
Hall of Fame
i know- thats my point they're taking it off lists..they were wrong with the weight so im guessing they're wrong with the time also....he looks fast so im guessing he'll run < 5 secs easy and will get close to harris' 4.7/4.8 because hes just as athletic imo
Texian
Hall of Fame
They get these times from their Junior Pro days in the Spring. Most schools have these competitions in the spring including weights, times etc. Okoye said he played around 300 lbs at Louisville but had lost about 15 lbs before the Senior Bowl. He also said he wanted to be close to 300 lbs at the combine.
They weren't wrong with the weight... Louisville listed him at a weight that he no longer weighs. Whether he ever weighed 312 or just lost 25 pounds, I don't know. But you're right and they're wrong. Let's draft him at #8.
Huh ? That's my point. Mario had a better 40 time and certainly was larger,
more physically impressive than a Dumervil but the Denver guy had more sacks because of his quickness and athleticism.
One player can have superior sprinting speed, strength, and even jumping ability but less quickness and less hand & foot dexterity than another player.
And as you correctly point out, the latter set of attributes is more important
than the former set for a successful pass rusher.
Maddict5
Hall of Fame
sounds like a plan 
that my point though his measurables are of out of date/wrong lists...did he ever weigh 317 and run 5.1? maybe but losing that 30 lbs would make him alot faster anyway
Is it so confusing to acknowledge the general thrust of your point, but to say that specifically you're wrong about Okoye being like Freeney? For Freeney, speed is everything.
The only comparison between Freeney and Okoye is this, Amobi Okoye is a quick defensive tackle who favors a spin move like Dwight Freeney, the fastest defensive lineman ever.
Not so. As an edge rusher, Freeney's 40 yard sprint time is less important than the quickness of his initial step when the ball is snapped along with his
dexterity.
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
It's not the speed, but the burst off the line that makes Freeney elite.
painekiller
All Pro
And the scout are not happy with his weight dropping 25 pounds. They are concerned that he will not be able to maintain a DT weight during the long NFL season. In the NFL the guards will wear down a smaller DT in time, remember the Colts run defense this regular season. 295 is on the small side now in the NFL.
Yes he has quickness but he has never shown speed. I think we should be looking at Adam Carriker who came in at 295 plays a natural DE, and he's have an excellent week in Memphis.
Think there might be a connection there?
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
Speed doesn't equal burst. Freeney has a better burst than say...Fabian Washington.
He's got the best burst of all defensive lineman and he's also the fastest... hmmm.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Agreed. If though he post nice numbers at the combine in the forty and the cone drills....just saying. The guy is twenty five pounds lighter. If he was ever going to hit 4-7-4.8 range, it's now. That would move him out of the trench with the beasties wouldn't it ?
Thank you. It's really not even close or comparable... I could see Sapp with the feet.
I would say that Dumervil got more sacks than Mario, for a couple of reasons and none being that he is better than Mario. It has to do with that Mario a)got injured midway during the season when things started clicking b)look at how many d-line injuries we had, thats never good and c)I would say that the Broncos defense has more playmakers to worry about than the Texans do, so opposing teams can't game plan for just 1 player like they could with Mario and the Texans!
I agree with all of that... by no means was I saying Dumervil was better... just that you can't project success by how a guy tests in gym shorts alone.
someone wrote: "Absolutely, if we have a shot at Anderson or Adams. I entertain the visions of Reggie White on one side and Julius Peppers on the other and opposing QBs having less than 3 secs to throw. This being possible with out having to blitz. Defense First!"
Under that scenario, you just spread the defense out and run the RB up the middle. This creates 2 and 5 or 3 and 4, where you only need 3 sec. to get a pass off. I think stopping the run and creating 2 and 9 or 3 and 8 scenarios is much more appealing. A good quarterback completes only 60-64% of his passes with an average of 7-8 yards per pass. The odds are then stacked toward the defense forcing the O to punt. Okoye has proven he can rush the passer as well. So, breaking down the pocket on 3rd and long gives the D even more advantage.
A great DT for our 8th is a no brainer in my mind. Too bad the previous FO didn't get this right with TJ, or we wouldn't have to do this all over again.
I would be happy with "All Day," but the better draft decision is Branch or Okoye - and I would choose Okoye over Branch. He has more upside IMO.
Under that scenario, you just spread the defense out and run the RB up the middle. This creates 2 and 5 or 3 and 4, where you only need 3 sec. to get a pass off. I think stopping the run and creating 2 and 9 or 3 and 8 scenarios is much more appealing. A good quarterback completes only 60-64% of his passes with an average of 7-8 yards per pass. The odds are then stacked toward the defense forcing the O to punt. Okoye has proven he can rush the passer as well. So, breaking down the pocket on 3rd and long gives the D even more advantage.
A great DT for our 8th is a no brainer in my mind. Too bad the previous FO didn't get this right with TJ, or we wouldn't have to do this all over again.
I would be happy with "All Day," but the better draft decision is Branch or Okoye - and I would choose Okoye over Branch. He has more upside IMO.
awtysst
Draft Guru
You got your wish!!!
Trap_Star
SiteContributor
heh, if you were drafting 8th, you would've probably taken Ginn.
nope...we woulda taken Jaamal Anderson....
