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and to think we are talking about a rookie and you only came up with 11 QB's thats not bad for a rookie
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Vince Young does not rule ass
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and to think we are talking about a rookie and you only came up with 11 QB's thats not bad for a rookie
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
The other way around. Bush borrowed the title for a while, but VY was the Heisman front runner in the beginning of the season. Then VY took it back for the month of January.
kastofsna
Hall of Fame
i'm going by who has looked the best this year, not who's put up the best numbers or anything. so it's pretty moot when looking at the supporting cast.
i think roethlisberger is an elite player, but that's probably just my opinion.
well, it more speaks to how average all the QB's are today.and to think we are talking about a rookie and you only came up with 11 QB's thats not bad for a rookie
Well considering Vince was "supposed" to be standing next to Fisher for 3 years while getting Kerry Collins gatorade during time outs, I guess you could say he is doing pretty good. I love how people (Kastofnova) throw out "stats" like that defines whether he is good or not. JUST WATCH THE FILM!! It DOES NOT LIE !!
BetOnVYinCantonEasy
Practice Squad
You're perching on the extreme edge of one old, lonely branch in a very tall tree to suggest that Vick had a greater impact in college football that VY, Kast. Like I said, I have faith that you will come around regarding the whole VY and the NFL issue.
Well folks, consider me a ghost. I hope you all had a blessed Christmas and do have a wonderful new year that only gets better with age.
VY brought me back to the NFL and I certainly wished the Texans would have grabbed him and kickstarted Luv Ya Blue Redux, but I have decided to get the Sunday Ticket so its basically a non-issue to me now. Just remember, when its all said and done, it won't matter what numbers are applied to the variables, VY=HOF. Go Titans.
Well folks, consider me a ghost. I hope you all had a blessed Christmas and do have a wonderful new year that only gets better with age.
VY brought me back to the NFL and I certainly wished the Texans would have grabbed him and kickstarted Luv Ya Blue Redux, but I have decided to get the Sunday Ticket so its basically a non-issue to me now. Just remember, when its all said and done, it won't matter what numbers are applied to the variables, VY=HOF. Go Titans.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Hell no...I'd take atleast 4 of those guys instead of VY. At this point anyway...because thats what you seem to be saying "at this point"
Titan "Tack" Fan
Veteran
I wouldn't trade Vince for any NFL QB. He is only going up from here...and he's 8-4 as a rookie.
I can't wait to see what he does next year
I can't wait to see what he does next year
ATX
Hall of Fame
I didn't say I watched the whole game....I watched the second half and he did nothing special except hand the ball off to Travis Henry. Take away the Titans running game and VY doesn't look so good.
On a side note, I loved VY at Texas and thought of him as one of the greatest Longhorns ever, but I'm looking at this without my homer glasses on. I don't hate or dislike VY now that he's on the Titans, I just don't think he's superman like alot on this board think.
Tulip
Veteran
In the Titans' first 3 games (the pre-VY era), they averaged 65 rushing yards per game. In the 12 games VY has started, the Titans have averaged more than 150 rushing yards per game.
VY's presence has had a huge impact on his team's offense.
BTW, because you only saw the second half, you missed his big 36-yard TD run at the end of the first half.
It may get there yet.
Ihategeeks
Veteran
VY is going to be league MVP one day.
rollinstone18
let it bleed
Those two fumbles and ints were just part of his gameplan.
Vinny Testaverde just made the Titans his *****, what a throw.
Titan "Tack" Fan
Veteran
Vinny Testaverde just made the Titans his *****, what a throw.
Like it matters.
axman40
Hall of Fame
Nice coming from someone that said he could not play QB in the NFL!
What was your bright idea move VY to WR?
Keldar
Waterboy
from ESPN....
Young, who autographed something for Testaverde before kickoff, looked like a rookie in his worst game since this streak started. He was intercepted twice, lost one of two fumbles and his best play outside of the TD run was tackling Asante Samuel after being intercepted.
As I said before, he will be fantastic one week, and Carr-like the next. I believe inconsistency could possibly stay with Mr. Young even beyond his rookie season.
We'll see.....
Young, who autographed something for Testaverde before kickoff, looked like a rookie in his worst game since this streak started. He was intercepted twice, lost one of two fumbles and his best play outside of the TD run was tackling Asante Samuel after being intercepted.
As I said before, he will be fantastic one week, and Carr-like the next. I believe inconsistency could possibly stay with Mr. Young even beyond his rookie season.
We'll see.....
Knocking his success reeks of sour grapes. The Titans were supposed to be worse than our Texans, yet they were battling for the play-offs while we were discussing statement games. I think we'd have been happy ending the season 6-1.
Congratulations Titans - I for one look forward to next year's Titans/Texans match-ups.
Congratulations Titans - I for one look forward to next year's Titans/Texans match-ups.
Titan "Tack" Fan
Veteran
You're wrong. It's just his rookie season and he's 8-5 with minimal talent around him. You're dead wrong.
Honch Delgado
Waterboy
I saw most of the game but stopped with 5 minutes left when they failed to convert on 4th down. If all people are going by is the stat line then they really have no business talking. Much like Carr you have to actually watch the games to make an evaluation. On some plays Vince looked brilliant, the TD scramble, near sideways TD flick to Hartsock, evading tackles that would have been sure sacks had it been any other QB and on other plays he looked really bad, forcing passes into coverage, fumbles, some really awful throws, etc. But the bottom line is he is making the plays a playmaker makes in his rookie year and I think the tackle on Samuel speaks volumes regarding his determination. I look forward to watching Vince in the future, he's only going to get better.
rollinstone18
let it bleed
Titan "Tack" Fan;557832 said:
Actually it's a nice accomplishment for Vinny, 20 straight years with a td pass.
But you're right, Vince didn't keep his team in the game for it to truly matter.
Wolf
100% Texan
BattleRedToro
Thread Killer
Who changed this thread's title?
It started out as Vince Young Sucks and now it is Vince Young Is Not So Bad.
It started out as Vince Young Sucks and now it is Vince Young Is Not So Bad.
I braved all the Cowboys fans at BW3s and watched the Texans and Titans on adjoining TVs.
Did VY make some bad throws? Yes he did. Did they quit throwing downfield because of them? No they didn't. For every bad play Young made he made a few good ones. He had another 30 some yard TD run; it seems like he does that once a game.
I think Young needs to work on his passing accuracy; I really can't judge how well he's reading defenses. I haven't watched closely enough.
Aside from those two items though, he shows the drive to win and his teammates seem to believe in him. He throws very well on many of his passes, and the Titans seem to be running a complete offense with him.
I think he did pretty well for a rookie and if he works hard during the off-season he could fix the few problems he's shown - primarily passing accuracy.
I was NOT a Young fan coming out of college - I thought he might have been one of those great college QBs that couldn't quite repeat his success in the NFL. I think I was wrong about this; time will tell.
If this thread stays alive all off-season, maybe it will evolve to "Vince Young Is Pretty Good".
Did VY make some bad throws? Yes he did. Did they quit throwing downfield because of them? No they didn't. For every bad play Young made he made a few good ones. He had another 30 some yard TD run; it seems like he does that once a game.
I think Young needs to work on his passing accuracy; I really can't judge how well he's reading defenses. I haven't watched closely enough.
Aside from those two items though, he shows the drive to win and his teammates seem to believe in him. He throws very well on many of his passes, and the Titans seem to be running a complete offense with him.
I think he did pretty well for a rookie and if he works hard during the off-season he could fix the few problems he's shown - primarily passing accuracy.
I was NOT a Young fan coming out of college - I thought he might have been one of those great college QBs that couldn't quite repeat his success in the NFL. I think I was wrong about this; time will tell.
If this thread stays alive all off-season, maybe it will evolve to "Vince Young Is Pretty Good".
Titan "Tack" Fan
Veteran
Great post. Positive rep for you. You speak the truth, you don't just assume cause you are reading the stats on Monday morning and your some fantasy football junky.
jerek
Pro Hobbyist
This pretty well summarizes my feelings on VY. He did better than I expected him to this rookie year and for that I'll give him credit. I'd like to think there is a happy, realistic medium between the "he blows" and "I pray to him every night." He has skills and mojo but there are still deficiencies he needs to address before he'll be considered "elite."
'll be interested to see if teams become better at gameplanning for Young as his career continues, and how much he continues to improve his own skill sets. I don't really want to make the comparison to Mike Vick because I think Young is a harder worker and better student of the game, but when Mike Vick first came into the league, he entered with a bang -- but because he never addressed his throwing deficiencies -- he became less effective with time, as teams minimized his run game. IMO the most dangerous aspect of Young's game right now is his feet: he is a comparatively competent passer, but not yet "dangerous" or elite. I think it is safe to say that he would rank around the bottom of the league among starting quarterbacks (hell, he does, statistically) if not for his feet -- and that's not to take away from the player he is, because you have to respect the complete package -- only that he will be a truly frightening opponent if he can improve his accuracy and reads.
I haven't watched enough Titans games to feel authoritative in saying this, but that is just my observation to this point.
Silver Oak
All Pro
IMO this was the best thing for VY, The NFL is supposed to be hard!
Was that the picture of him when he was supposedly crying? If so, it's a classic!
There's no crying in football!
Fantastic one week....... Carr-like the next..... what more needs to be said?? One week he plays well.... the next week he plays like Carr....
against the same defense... Vince on a bad day:
15 of 36 for 226 yards 0 TDs 2 INts....
on a good day, David will throw for 226 yards. But here is David, against the same defense.
16-28 for 127 yards 0 TDs 4 INTs.....
and David has 2 probowl WRs.. Vince has none. David had a 105 yard running game..... Vince had a 106 yard rushing game(not counting his own yards.)
One has been in the league for 5 years, the other for 5 months.
This was Vince's worse game of the season...... this was David's second worse game of the season.
Titan "Tack" Fan
Veteran
/\ Vince's worst game of the season? Did you see the first Jags game??
TD
Super Bowl Mascot
David Carr against Jacksonville: 41 of 66 for 391 yards; 2 TD 0 INT 0 Fumbles
VY against the same defense: 22 of 51 for 248 yards; 1 TD 3 INT 2 Fumbles
...so much for cherry picked comparisons.
Worst game of the season???.....Worse than his first start against Dallas? Worse than his 2nd game against Indy? Worse than the Nov 5th game against Jacksonville?
People seem to have reached a verdict on VY and we're not even 1/2 way through the evidence. I expect him to be a great QB, but reality is, he ain't there yet.
Titan "Tack" Fan;559007 said:
I didn't say it was his worse game........ the reporter originally quoted said it was...
In Oct 22 of this year, David went 25 of 34 for 224 yards and 2 TDs
on Nov 12, he went 16 of 32 for 167 yards & 0 TDs, and 0 Ints...
Those defenses are more akin to the Jacksonville Defense Vince played against.
All I did was pull David's stats against the team the reporter is criticizing Vince against. If Vince had a bad game against the Pats, I wonder what he'd think about David's game against the Pats.
If you think Vince did poorly against the Jacksonville Jaguars, I wonder how you think David played against the Jacksonville Jaguars.
TD
Super Bowl Mascot
The first game; Good enough to win. The 2nd game; good enough not to lose, which is all VY seems to be judged against.
Don't get me wrong; I'd take Young over Carr anyday (I've said so since before the draft), but a dose of reality needs to be injected here.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
11.9 QB rating last week. 
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
11.9 QB rating last week.
I think VY wasted some time pouting when he could been one heck of a wildcat QB . Shoot they may not had to settle on so many FGs but it's great cause it's the Titans .
11.9 QB rating last week.
Seriously?!
I'm actually rooting for CJ to break the single season rushing record. It makes him worth more, so the Titans either pay up when it's time or lose him. And it really highlights one of the most important aspects of VY's amaaaaazzzzzing comeback.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Right!
Seriously?!
I'm actually rooting for CJ to break the single season rushing record. It makes him worth more, so the Titans either pay up when it's time or lose him. And it really highlights one of the most important aspects of VY's amaaaaazzzzzing comeback.
Seriously.... Vince Young
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
LMAO on all the name changes to this thread.