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Troy Smith a Texan

I haven't read any posts in this thread - just the title. I hope there aren't any Troy/Vince comparisons in here because few would be valid.
 
eh.. I think that most have said that Troy is like VY.. but a better passer, and a worse physical speciman.

Thats the readers digest version anyway.

What are your thoughts on Troy Smith as a prospect aj?
 
Grid said:
eh.. I think that most have said that Troy is like VY.. but a better passer, and a worse physical speciman.

Thats the readers digest version anyway.

What are your thoughts on Troy Smith as a prospect aj?
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Smith is a great player but he just doesnt compare to Young.

He isnt a better passer. He does put better touch on the ball but he doesnt looks as accurate.

Of course he is a worse physical speciman. No QB compares to VY in that area, not even Michael Vick in my opinion.

That said, I think he will be a very good QB, but Young was one of the greatest college QBs ever. Smith doesnt compare to that.
 
Smith is a -great- quarterback. His running style is not the same as Vince's - for sure - but hes every bit as solid. The only thing that Troy Smith doesn't have in my opinion is the history of COMEBACK wins. Theres a swagger you get from those kind of wins, that simply cannot be learned without having lived it. I think it would be a huge mistake to not take Troy Smith, he is very elusive in the pocket while keeping his eyes open down the field, and he has the arm to make every throw required of him. He was nearly flawless his senior season on a team that was good, but not great minus his play. Literally, he was the difference maker for OSU the way VY was for Texas the year previous. I think its imperative we get him.
 
If they didn't take Troy Smith out of the game last year against UT in Ohio, OSU wins.

I agree with taking Smith if he falls to us in the 2nd but we are talking about a front office that didn't want to announce players names for fear of what it might do for David Carr and Mario Williams.

They will feel that if they take Troy Smith it might make them look as if they are admitting they were wrong about Carr and will freak out about people still saying you should've got Vince.
 
I've been saying Troy Smith is better than VY since the UT-OSU game where OSU had Smith on the bench for a while. Smith had the ability to win the game for OSU, had he played QB the whole game.
 
no doubt in my mind that OSU would've probably won that game had smith played all 4 quarters. zwick made some bad mistakes.
 
El Tejano said:
If they didn't take Troy Smith out of the game last year against UT in Ohio, OSU wins.

I agree with taking Smith if he falls to us in the 2nd but we are talking about a front office that didn't want to announce players names for fear of what it might do for David Carr and Mario Williams.

They will feel that if they take Troy Smith it might make them look as if they are admitting they were wrong about Carr and will freak out about people still saying you should've got Vince.
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they didn't take smith out, zwick started, smith came in and owned the slow UT defense, vince "i only show up in the 4th quarter" young had one good drive in the 4th which turned out to be the game winner. i agree if smith played the whole game osu beats UT pretty handedly.
 
Janus3 said:
they didn't take smith out, zwick started, smith came in and owned the slow UT defense, vince "i only show up in the 4th quarter" young had one good drive in the 4th which turned out to be the game winner. i agree if smith played the whole game osu beats UT pretty handedly.
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At least Young score the winning TD in the 4th quarter.

All Smith did was get sacked for a safety.
 
bah007 said:
At least Young score the winning TD in the 4th quarter.

All Smith did was get sacked for a safety.
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all i'm saying is if smith would've started the whole game young's td would've been irrelevant, and that is the general consensus.
 
Janus3 said:
they didn't take smith out, zwick started, smith came in and owned the slow UT defense, vince "i only show up in the 4th quarter" young had one good drive in the 4th which turned out to be the game winner. i agree if smith played the whole game osu beats UT pretty handedly.
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Don't bother listening to anything this guy says. He doesn't know what hes talking about
 
mexican_texan said:
I've been saying Troy Smith is better than VY since the UT-OSU game where OSU had Smith on the bench for a while. Smith had the ability to win the game for OSU, had he played QB the whole game.
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Agreed here. I think we need to have Troy Smith be our QB this season. We could test him in the pre-season. What do we do with Carr? Either trade him, or have Troy as a back-up (so if Carr keeps falling short, we put in Troy Smith).
 
Bottom line is, nobody knows anything until the offseason starts. Everything at this point is useless banter, hopes, theories, and pure speculation.
 
Cheddar said:
Obviously, we're going to trade down to the middle of the first to take Smith, unless he has a godawful National Championship game, in which case, he may be there for us in the second.

What makes me laugh is the crew saying DON'T TAKE TROY SMITH!!!! who are saying to get Kolb in the second round.
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smith WILL be a second rounder no matter what, at the earliest late 1st. kolb will most likely go third. i'd prefer kolb over smith anyways since kolb has better mechanics.
 
GuerillaBlack said:
Agreed here. I think we need to have Troy Smith be our QB this season. We could test him in the pre-season. What do we do with Carr? Either trade him, or have Troy as a back-up (so if Carr keeps falling short, we put in Troy Smith).
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I have a feeling Carr will be traded for a 2nd round pick (to someone who wants potential with experience rather than a rookie QB), giving the Texans the option of either moving back up into the first (to pick whoever - maybe Smith if he's still around) or using the extra pick on another need (there are a LOT after all:-). I haven't seen much of Smith but from what i have he looks pretty good, a fighter and a winner......
 
TheIz said:
I have a feeling Carr will be traded for a 2nd round pick (to someone who wants potential with experience rather than a rookie QB), giving the Texans the option of either moving back up into the first (to pick whoever - maybe Smith if he's still around) or using the extra pick on another need (there are a LOT after all:-). I haven't seen much of Smith but from what i have he looks pretty good, a fighter and a winner......
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The market for Carr is more like what Miami paid for Harrington last year (5th rounder, correct?). Plus, a trade is easier said than done. Some team is going to have to be willing to take on $11.25 million that's still on Carr's contract at the end of this season. When teams hear that the Texan's are dangling Carr (if that becomes the case), they will just wait until he's released so they can sign him at a cheaper rate. That, or the Texans will just hang on to him for one more season to burn down the dollars. Carr will cost $5.3 to cut or trade and $7-something to keep.
 
If Harrington tendered a 5th we can atleast get a 4th for Carr.....Seeing as how his stats are going to look all nice and pretty....
 
no one thinks of carr as a huge bust like harrington. there's no doubt that carr would fetch a first day pick.
 
Napa Auto Parts said:
im going to sound like a total ***** but i doubt that this franchise wants the face of the team to be a black QB that is why we passed up on vince we wont draft troy smith if we do draft a QB it will be a white QB
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thank you for saying this- i've suspected it all along. mcnair plays the white republican FOCA card at every turn and the second kubiak got to town he seemed to start playing it too.
 
OK, I'll be "that guy." I like Troy and all, but it would just be too painfull if we took him. I lobbied hard for Vince, and it was 90% of the posters on here who scoffed at the idea because they had Reggie's dangler so far down their throat they couldn't see past the ESPN report. Now folks are starting to think, WOW a mobile quarterback with a great arm and leadership abilities would be an asset to this team. Now these same short-sighted schmucks are scrambling to find the closest replacement they can for the diamond we discarded. I'LL TELL YOU I CAN'T TAKE IT! Don't make me suffer through season after season of having to endure Troy v. Vince crap. Are you people gluttons for punishment? Is it not enough that our team gets their asses served to them every sunday? The only way I am getting by right now is assuming the franchise has a grand genius plan that I am too stupid to see coming together. A plan that involves passing over a hometown superstar, trading up to draft a guy who nobody wanted (Babin), trading away our pick so we could have the right to cut Buchanon, getting confused on draft day and instead of calling Derek Johnson we say "Travis"...

RISE UP FANS. Join me in saying enough is enough. This is Texas dammit. We can play second fiddle in a lot of things. But football? Ah well, what can you do? This is the same city that didn't draft Jordan. At least Houston can be known as the town that snubs the best.
 
Cheddar said:
Hey, I'm not going to say drafting Mario Williams is a mistake. I like the thought of building a strong defense...we need to help DeMeco and Mario and Dunta out quite a bit though. Weaver was a nice addition but we also need some help in the secondary. Getting a QB capable of throwing deep and leading WR's is a big need too. Troy Smith, despite being shorter than Vince Young, has the ability to pass the freakin' ball and make good choices. He may not be the running threat that Vince is, but he's smart and mobile enough to move when need be.

It's not about Troy vs. Vince though...it's about Troy vs. David Carr and five years of futility.

Oh yeah...get some more O-Line depth too.
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no disagreements here
 
JaMarcus Russell is at the top of my "QB Candidates" list.

Peterson would be....interesting... but I dont see it as the best pick for this team.

If we dont take a QB in the top 10 (which, its questionable if there are any QBs worthy of a top 10 pick this year.. but ya never know what could happen by draft day), but..if we dont take a QB in the top 10..then im for trading down and addressing secondary. There are some good CBs/Safteys that will be available in the mid to late first round.
 
valleytexfan said:
Who do you want? A. Peterson? T. Smith? Joe Thomas?
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Out of those 3, Peterson. Running backs drafted in the 1st round usually have the biggest impact. I don't want to draft a rookie LT, I'm hoping the Texans sign one in FA who's already proven he has what it takes to succeed. I really like Troy Smith, but unless we trade up to the middle to late 1st round, I don't think we'll be able to draft him. I'd be somewhat surprised if he fell to the 2nd round.
 
Grid said:
there wont be any quality LTs to sign in FA...never are.

we will need to create our own LT.
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Charles Spencer, OG. A man barely alive. Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. We have the capability to build the world's first bionic LT. Charles Spencer will be that man. Better than he was before. Better, stronger, faster.
 
If Joe Peterson is there when we draft, we HAVE to take him.

I like Peterson a lot but am really concerned about his injuries. I would hate for us to draft him and have him out every year, even if it is for a few games.

Troy Smith I would not take unless we got a heck of a trade down or he was there for us in the 2nd. I would then have him sit a year and make a few appearances through the season but not start.

Joe Thomas. Next year pick up McFadden. that would be good!
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
If Joe Peterson is there when we draft, we HAVE to take him.

I like Peterson a lot but am really concerned about his injuries. I would hate for us to draft him and have him out every year, even if it is for a few games.

Troy Smith I would not take unless we got a heck of a trade down or he was there for us in the 2nd. I would then have him sit a year and make a few appearances through the season but not start.

Joe Thomas. Next year pick up McFadden. that would be good!
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By God, that's genius. Joe Thomas and Adrian Peterson are great apart...but if we fuse them...
 
I say Troy Smith with our first ( or jamarcus Russell) the Best DB available with our second, and Dillard from rice with our third,
 
I think you ve alllll got it wrong....Troy Smith... heck no! Hes only good because his team makes him good. Put him with a team like Florida State they would still be in the same boat they are now. I think the guy that we need to be looking at is JaMarcus Russell from LSU.. if he declares himself for the draft. This dude is a perfect prospect... and knowing that Kubiak had Jake Plummer in Denver Im really thinking that Kubiak is going to bring Jake down here because Jake already knows his offense. Im cool with that idea... David Carr... is just not cut out for the NFL. Hes had a while to prove himself and has yet to do it. AS for a RB I dont know where anyone got the idea about Cedric Benson... pffft.... Id rather go with Adrian Peterson. Which isnt going to happen because we ve got some real idiots in management... Im not pissed about them drafting Mario anymore...I ve decided to support the guy... it wasnt his fault that he got drafted first. Id hate to be a first round first pick for a team and know that I wasnt the one that the fans wanted. Loved how Vince made a statement last week....You go Vince!!!
 
Leinart had better talent around him. He's a good QB...though he is still surrounded by great talent...except where it counts.
 
I will say it once and say it again. Troy Smith will be there in the 2nd round where we picks (just b/c we'll be picking so early) but i still would not take him. I think he's a mid to late 2nd rounder.

His height alone is a problem. He's a pocket passer who just happens to have some speed. His mechanics are a bit questionable. Could he be a project for kubes....sure. do i want a project with a 2nd round pick with all of our needs? HELL NO.
 
Texas_Thrill said:
I will say it once and say it again. Troy Smith will be there in the 2nd round where we picks (just b/c we'll be picking so early) but i still would not take him. I think he's a mid to late 2nd rounder.

His height alone is a problem. He's a pocket passer who just happens to have some speed. His mechanics are a bit questionable. Could he be a project for kubes....sure. do i want a project with a 2nd round pick with all of our needs? HELL NO.
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While im leaning more towards JaMarcus Russell.. I just wanted to point out that we WANT a project.

Well..not necessarily..but we dont NOT want a project. I think it would greatly benefit us to get a QB that has tremendous upside..and let Kubiak mold him. (JaMarcus Russell is a great example of this type of player).

Honestly I dont know if there is a QB in this draft that can come straight in and start. Maybe Quinn but that isnt 100% either. They are all gonna be projects, the key is to pick the one that has the most upside.. and then take advantage of the fact that our head coach is one of the best QB coaches in the league.
 
Texas_Thrill said:
I will say it once and say it again. Troy Smith will be there in the 2nd round where we picks (just b/c we'll be picking so early) but i still would not take him. I think he's a mid to late 2nd rounder.

His height alone is a problem. He's a pocket passer who just happens to have some speed. His mechanics are a bit questionable. Could he be a project for kubes....sure. do i want a project with a 2nd round pick with all of our needs? HELL NO.
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He is around the same height as Drew Brees. You wouldn't want Drew Brees?

A pocket passer who can make plays with his legs is a good thing.

VY was/is more of a project than Smith would be; he's something that Kubiak can build up from the start instead of having to tear down everything first. This team is more talented than it appears, but there's just a few too many injuries and a lack of cohesion and leadership.
 
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