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Current Draft Order

1. Detroit Lions - Brady Quinn
2. Arizona Cardinals - Joe Thomas
3. Oakland Raiders - Calvin Johnson
4. Houston Texans - Antoine Cason (The best corner in the draft and still has TONS of upside. Physically gifted beyond belief, will run sub 4.4. Good size, but the best dang instincts on the ball of any CB in the last 3 years at least.)
5. Cleveland Browns - Peterson...who promptly gets hurt behind their sorry O-line.
6. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Woodly
7. Green Bay Packers - Jarrett
8. Washington Redskins - who knows what this stupid team will do on draft day, they are almost as stupid as the raiders come draft day. I'll say they go with Teddy Ginn. Stupid pick for a stupid team.
9. Pittsburgh Steelers - Revis
10. Tennessee Titans - Laron Landry
 
I feel that if AP is the BPA, we trade down at that point.

I feel the Browns would trade up to get him.

The bucs either go QB or D in the first IMO.

Landry and Taylor are both FS's. No need for two top 10 FS's.

Pitcock is lucky to go first round period right now, and is certinally not the best DT...probally not even top 3.

Too early for Brown, but I hope the Titans reach for him because I see BUST written all over him.

Ya but mocks with trades suck.

I thought Sean Taylor was a SS in the NFL, he could play either one.

I think Pitcock is damn good.
 
Ya but mocks with trades suck.

I thought Sean Taylor was a SS in the NFL, he could play either one.

I think Pitcock is damn good.

It's too early to predict any trade at this point period. We should stick to basic mocks.

SS is the best FS the draft has seen in the last 5 years.

Pitcock is good, but overrated and underpreformng to a degree. He is not top 10 talent. Especially not ahead of the Mich DT or Okam.
 
Allan Branch from Michigan is the best DT in the draft. Landry is good FS but kind of slow. I feel the best safety in the draft might be Reggie Nelson from Florida (beast in nature with great speed).

But none of these FS are top 5 considerations.
 
1. Detroit Lions - Brady Quinn
2. Arizona Cardinals - Joe Thomas
3. Oakland Raiders - Calvin Johnson (I would say a QB but there are no legitimate QBs that would be logical to select at this spot. Troy Smith is the wildcard of this draft. Where does he project? Honestly I would take him in the late 1st early 2nd. But thats me, and everybody has a different opinion on this guy.)
4. Houston Texans - Adrian Peterson (I mean .. he just .. kinda .. fell to us. Who else are you going to take at this position? Too high for any of the DBs. Too high for the next best offensive lineman. We could have gone defensive line.)
5. Cleveland Browns - Gaines Adams (Re-build that line.)
6. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - DeWayne Jarrett
7. Green Bay Packers - Leon Hall
8. Washington Redskins - LaRon Landry (Sean Taylor + LaRon Landry)
9. Pittsburgh Steelers - Quinn Pitcock
10. Tennessee Titans - Levi Brown

If we have the choice between AP and Gaines..........I'll take Gaines and pair him with Mario. Move Weaver inside to DT. That gives us a a very good pash rush with a good rotation in the middle.

As bad as I think our RB situation is if you weren't going to take RB who is clearly built for this offense a la portis then you don't go take a rb who is oft injured as AP no matter how much I like him. Not to mention Kubiak and the Denver past drafts show they do not like taking offensive players with the 1st round picks.

Thoughts????
 
If we have the choice between AP and Gaines..........I'll take Gaines and pair him with Mario. Move Weaver inside to DT. That gives us a a very good pash rush with a good rotation in the middle.

As bad as I think our RB situation is if you weren't going to take RB who is clearly built for this offense a la portis then you don't go take a rb who is oft injured as AP no matter how much I like him. Not to mention Kubiak and the Denver past drafts show they do not like taking offensive players with the 1st round picks.

Thoughts????

I dont want an offensive player in the first round unless it is Calvin Johnson (which is very unlikely).

I want a DB.
 
I agree Calvin Johnson is the only one i would take but currently where we would be picking none of the DB's are worthy.

What about Gaines Adams the DE from Georgia. Pair him with Mario and move Weaver inside giving us a pretty solid 3 man rotation in the interior.
 
I agree Calvin Johnson is the only one i would take but currently where we would be picking none of the DB's are worthy.

What about Gaines Adams the DE from Georgia. Pair him with Mario and move Weaver inside giving us a pretty solid 3 man rotation in the interior.

I would celebrate drafting Adams.

No arguement from me as long as we go defense.
 
Safety or Cornerback. We have Carr and AJ on offense, Mario in the defensive front seven. Now we need to bolster the defensive secondary.

Preferably LaRon Landry at this point. An Offensive Tackle with the first second-round pick because I am anticipating either Spencer to be out for good or Winston to be moved inside.
 
I agree Calvin Johnson is the only one i would take but currently where we would be picking none of the DB's are worthy.

What about Gaines Adams the DE from Georgia. Pair him with Mario and move Weaver inside giving us a pretty solid 3 man rotation in the interior.

Gaines Adams is DE from Clemson.
Quentin Moses is DE from Georgia.

I could support that as well. We would have Probably the two youngest best Ends in the NFL which would be awesome. I would then hope a good FS or CB fell to us in the second.
 
How many ends do you want? Weaver can play DT, but he is small and gets run over at tackle. He is an above average DE. Leave that position alone. Babin and Peek are both gone IMO. But we do not need another top 5 pick at DE.

Now Look at DT if you must go DL. Branch, 6'6" 330, would be a stud added to our tackle position . Put him next to Mario, 6'7" and watch offensive coordinators cringe. Add FA Terdell Sands UFA Oakland Raiders 6'7" 335 and you have a DL that should stop the run and the pass.

Or you can go Hall in the 1st and hope Amobi Okoye DT 6'2" 315 Louisville falls to you in the 2nd. And if you get real lucky Dan Conner Penn St OLB falls to you in the 3rd. You still have to find a FS, but your DL should be all over the QB.
 
Althought it would be interesting, thats just putting too much money in one position...we need to balance ourselves out before doing something like that.
 
and Kubiak apparently doesn't believe in locking down our OL with studly picks like Gaither or Thomas.

Why would you say that? From all those drafts that he has been a part of? Why do you think we need an OT and not interior linemen? IMHO WE NEED HELP WITH C AND RG. Spencer should be fine when he returns, but taking Thomas and sliding Spencer to RT and The caveman to RG could help. I would still rather see a stud G or C drafted which we could ge in the 2nd or 3rd rounds and draft more Defense in the 1st. Secondary anyone?
 
Why would you say that? From all those drafts that he has been a part of? Why do you think we need an OT and not interior linemen? IMHO WE NEED HELP WITH C AND RG. Spencer should be fine when he returns, but taking Thomas and sliding Spencer to RT and The caveman to RG could help. I would still rather see a stud G or C drafted which we could ge in the 2nd or 3rd rounds and draft more Defense in the 1st. Secondary anyone?

Spencer is down, and will be down for a while. From between the lines in Kubes' 610 recap Monday....down like Wong down this year. And..that is the point. Know one knows for sure when in '07 Spencer can lace up the cleats, nuch less tie on his pads. Got it ?
 
Actually Gaither potential is way better then Thomas and Ferguson who was picked 4th last year. But as of this date we don't know if Gaither will declare for the draft or not. He is Junior at Maryland.

Pass protection - Ferguson >> Thomas
Run Protection - Thomas >> Ferguson
Pass and Run Protection - Gaither >> Thomas and Ferguson
 
gaither is a RS sophomore, and he's not better with pass or run protection than either thomas or ferguson at the moment. the ceiling is really high though.
 
TY Kastofonra, I thought I was getting senile. Agreed with your assement on Gaither. The sky is the limit. a little premature for me to call the guy the next
Jackie Slatter. We'll see. Potential don't feed the bull dog in the NFL. See Laweance Phillips...Phillip Buchanon...Seth Wand.
 
Updated Top 10:

1. Oakland
2. Detroit
3. Tampa Bay
4. Arizona
5. Cleveland
6. Green Bay
7. Houston
8. Washington
9. San Francisco
10. Buffalo
 
1. Detroit Lions - Brady Quinn
2. Arizona Cardinals - Joe Thomas
3. Oakland Raiders - Calvin Johnson

4. Houston Texans - Antoine Cason (The best corner in the draft and still has TONS of upside. Physically gifted beyond belief, will run sub 4.4. Good size, but the best dang instincts on the ball of any CB in the last 3 years at least.)

5. Cleveland Browns - Peterson...who promptly gets hurt behind their sorry O-line.
6. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Woodly
7. Green Bay Packers - Jarrett

8. Washington Redskins - who knows what this stupid team will do on draft day, they are almost as stupid as the raiders come draft day. I'll say they go with Teddy Ginn. Stupid pick for a stupid team.
9. Pittsburgh Steelers - Revis
10. Tennessee Titans - Laron Landry

GBN just bumped Revis ahead of him.

Thumb tacks grab the best WR on their board. Book it.

I'm preying All Day has a good Day in his bowl game and Rick Smith gets a few nibbles. Maybe we can Play let's make a Deal with the Brownies & Packers ?

Move down pick up the extra pick take the OLT prospect. Draft McCaully as the FS prospect in the second. They draft Landry I'd have no problem with that. Just believe the crumbs of the prospects are a little weak. Sears, Long, and Blailock are off the board by the second round.

Be surprised if the skins pass up Gains Adams.

Saw someone having Ginn Jr to Minnesota...Makes sense to me. He's gonna fall if he puts his nose up in the air and avoids the combine.

Counted it up again, GBN has seven Ol prospects, w/o Gaither.


Someone was asking on another post where Justin Warren WLB Texas Agricultrual & Mechanical would go. FWIIW these guys..CSD has him going in the third, 93rd over all to the bolts. http://condraft.com/mocks/round-3.html . Not bad. Made the top 100.
 
How many ends do you want? Weaver can play DT, but he is small and gets run over at tackle. He is an above average DE. Leave that position alone. Babin and Peek are both gone IMO. But we do not need another top 5 pick at DE.

Now Look at DT if you must go DL. Branch, 6'6" 330, would be a stud added to our tackle position . Put him next to Mario, 6'7" and watch offensive coordinators cringe. Add FA Terdell Sands UFA Oakland Raiders 6'7" 335 and you have a DL that should stop the run and the pass.

Or you can go Hall in the 1st and hope Amobi Okoye DT 6'2" 315 Louisville falls to you in the 2nd. And if you get real lucky Dan Conner Penn St OLB falls to you in the 3rd. You still have to find a FS, but your DL should be all over the QB.

So just wondering and not banging your logic by no means, is it time to give serious considerastion to redoing Travis Johnson's deal and pay him more in line with his preformance ? Say second year vet...fourth round guy ? Inquiring minds want to know. I hate double dipping positions in close years. But I'm on board in this case. We've seen the best we're going to see out of TJ. They upgrade the DT positon in the first round there'll be no griping from me. Much rather have one of the OLT guys though. Oh forgot the USC guy in the other post...he's gone by the end of round one also.
 
Beerlover likes the Louisville guy. I like the BC guy in the third. We see how many 165 rushing games they give up the rest of the way ?
 
Weekly Revised Draft Order After Week 13 in the NFL.
December 5, 2006


Pick # Team Record Pct Opp Pct.
=============================================
Pick: 1 Detroit 2-10 .167 .516
Pick: 2 Oakland 2-10 .167 .547
Pick: 3 Arizona 3-9 .250 .505
Pick: 4 Tampa Bay 3-9 .250 .557
Pick: 5 Green Bay 4-8 .333 .495
Pick: 6 Washington 4-8 .333 .516
Pick: 7 Houston 4-8 .333 .521
Pick: 8 Cleveland 4-8 .333 .531
Pick: 9 Minnesota 5-7 .417 .464
Pick: 10 St. Louis 5-7 .417 .464
Pick: 11 San Francisco 5-7 .417 .484
Pick: 12 Miami 5-7 .417 .526
Pick: 13 Pittsburgh 5-7 .417 .526
Pick: 14 Buffalo 5-7 .417 .563
Pick: 15 Tennessee 5-7 .417 .578
Pick: 16 Atlanta 6-6 .500 .458
Pick: 17 Carolina 6-6 .500 .484
Pick: 18 Philadelphia 6-6 .500 .490
Pick: 19 NY Giants 6-6 .500 .536
Pick: 20 NY Jets 7-5 .583 .474
Pick: 21 Kansas City 7-5 .583 .484
Pick: 22 Jacksonville 7-5 .583 .521
Pick: 23 Denver 7-5 .583 .526
Pick: 24 Cincinnati 7-5 .583 .542
Pick: 25 Seattle 8-4 .667 .427
Pick: 26 Dallas 8-4 .667 .448
Pick: 27 New Orleans 8-4 .667 .458
Pick: 28 Baltimore 9-3 .750 .474
Pick: 29 New England 9-3 .750 .495
Pick: 30 Chicago 10-2 .833 .406
Pick: 31 San Diego 10-2 .833 .458
Pick: 32 Indianapolis 10-2 .833 .500
 
GBN just bumped Revis ahead of him. Because Revis is the better shut down CB. But I like Cason just as much. Push IMO.

Thumb tacks grab the best WR on their board. Book it. Maybe. I still see them trying for AP or Dline.

I'm preying All Day has a good Day in his bowl game and Rick Smith gets a few nibbles. Maybe we can Play let's make a Deal with the Brownies & Packers ? If he goes off, I'm hoping we are smart enough to stay away and use that game as bait for other teams.

Move down pick up the extra pick take the OLT prospect. Draft McCaully as the FS prospect in the second. They draft Landry I'd have no problem with that. Just believe the crumbs of the prospects are a little weak. Sears, Long, and Blailock are off the board by the second round. McCaully will be an NFL CB, as bad as he has played this year, he will play CB on Sundays.

Be surprised if the skins pass up Gains Adams. I would be surprised as well, but it is the Redskins who traded up for an Auburn QB who had a 3rd round grade from me so who knows.

Saw someone having Ginn Jr to Minnesota...Makes sense to me. He's gonna fall if he puts his nose up in the air and avoids the combine. Wasteful. Minn needs to focus on their whole team. They have Troy Williamson there and need to improve more before they draft a decoy/return man.

Counted it up again, GBN has seven Ol prospects, w/o Gaither. Very few sites list Gaither because they don't know if he is declaring. Footballsfuture does list him, #5 overall I believe.


Someone was asking on another post where Justin Warren WLB Texas Agricultrual & Mechanical would go. FWIIW these guys..CSD has him going in the third, 93rd over all to the bolts. http://condraft.com/mocks/round-3.html . Not bad. Made the top 100.
Doesn't matter, wont play for us. I'd be happy to see him on the Colts actually. It just means they didn't draft someone I wanted at the end of the round before our pick.
 
Gaines Adams is DE from Clemson.
Quentin Moses is DE from Georgia.

I could support that as well. We would have Probably the two youngest best Ends in the NFL which would be awesome. I would then hope a good FS or CB fell to us in the second.

Quentin Moses has been unimpressive this year.
 
Here is the new draft order after week 14 in the NFL.
Posted December 12, 2006


1. Detroit Lions(2-11) .516
2. Oakland Raiders(2-11) .547
3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers(3-10) .557
4. Arizona Cardinals(4-9) .505
5. Washington Redskins(4-9) .516
6. Houston Texans(4-9) .521
7. Cleveland Browns(4-9) .531
8. St. Louis Rams(5-Cool .464
9. San Fransisco 49ers(5-Cool .484
10. Green Bay Packers(5-Cool .495
11. Minnestoa Vikings(6-7) .464
12. Carolina Panthers(6-7) .484
13. Miami Dolphins(6-7) .526
14. Pittsburgh Steelers( 6-7) .533
15. Buffalo Bills(6-7) .563
16. Tennessee Titans(6-7) .567
17. Atlanta Falcons(7-6) .458
18. New York Jets(7-6) .474
19. Philadelphia Eagles(7-6) .490
20. New York Giants(7-6) .490
21. Kansas City Chiefs(7-6) .500
22. Denver Broncos(7-6) .536
23. New England(f/ SEA) (8-5) .427
24. Dallas Cowboys(8-5) .448
25. Jacksonville Jaguars(8-5) .536
26. Cincinnatti Bengals(8-5) .542
27. New Orleans Saints(9-4) .458
28. New England Patriots(9-4) .495
29. Baltimore Ravens(10-3) .474
30. Indianapolis Colts(10-3) .500
31. Chicago Bears(11-2) .406
32. San Diego Chargers(11-2) .458
 
At this point, part of me is hoping that we continue to lose while Tampa Bay, Arizona, and Washington continue to win so that we can move up to the third pick in the draft. The other part of me wants to see the Texans win out, so that they can tie their best ever seasonal record.

Yeah while I'm not hoping for losses I think we easily move to 4 and possibly 3 when it's all said and done.
 
Yeah while I'm not hoping for losses I think we easily move to 4 and possibly 3 when it's all said and done.
That's OK, just so we don't get stuck with the #1 again. Too expensive for
any one player, except an outstanding, franchise QB. Was there anyone like
that in the 2006 Draft ? Woops ! Different issue for a different thread.
 
At this point, part of me is hoping that we continue to lose while Tampa Bay, Arizona, and Washington continue to win so that we can move up to the third pick in the draft. The other part of me wants to see the Texans win out, so that they can tie their best ever seasonal record.

Dude go for your second reason. Our franchise has shown that they don't make the decision we want anyhow and a 7-9 record still shows a team on the upswing regardless of two loss to the Tennessee Vincents.

As for the top 6 picks

Detroit - Brady Quinn or Gainse Adams. Kind of like us last year.
Oakland - Adrian Peterson
Tampa Bay - Brady Quinn or Gaines Adams
Arizona Cardinals - Joe Thomas
Washington Redskins - Calvin Johnson
Houston Texans - Landry DB (forget the school) or Reggie Nelson.

Am I close?
 
gaines adams isn't anywhere near mario williams' ability where he'd be considered for the #1 pick. and i don't see the redskins going WR with the money they have in santana moss, antwaan randle-el and brandon lloyd. plus i doubt the bucs would let calvin johnson slip past them.

as for houston, i'm thinking it's either jamarcus russell or the best DB available at this point.
 
1. Oakland- Calvin Johnson - WR, Georgia Tech
2. Detroit- Brady Quinn - QB, Notre Dame
3. Tampa Bay- Joe Thomas - OT, Wisconsin
4. Cleveland- Gaines Adams - DE, Clemson
5. Houston- Leon Hall - CB, Michigan
6. Washington- Alan Branch - DT, Michigan
7. Arizona- Jake Long - OT, Michigan
8. San Francisco- Dwayne Jarrett - WR, USC
9. Green Bay- Adrian Peterson - HB, Oklahoma
10. St. Louis- LaRon Landry - FS, LSU
11. Minnesota- Troy Smith - QB, Ohio St
12. Buffalo- Justin Blaylock - OG, Texas
13. Pittsburgh- Patrick Willis - MLB, Mississippi
14. Tennessee- Daymeion Hughes - CB, California
15. Carolina- Paul Poslusnzy - OLB, Penn St
16. Miami- Reggie Nelson - FS, Florida

I wonder if that (picks 5-7) has ever happened before in the 1st round.
 
You got us passing Peterson? What's your logic? Not trying to sound rude. Just want to know why.

Here is what I like about your picks. It shows the amount of OL talent there is in this draft. I say trade the pick and get more non sexy OL picks.

Imagine Anyone of the top OL with Justin Blaylock.
 
You got us passing Peterson? What's your logic? Not trying to sound rude. Just want to know why.

How about he has been injured every year of college. Plus, at #5 you are paying instantly as much or more than the top guys in the league at RB. Equally talented CB or LT you go that route over the RB every time. Longer term of play generally plus better value.
 
gaines adams isn't anywhere near mario williams' ability where he'd be considered for the #1 pick. and i don't see the redskins going WR with the money they have in santana moss, antwaan randle-el and brandon lloyd. plus i doubt the bucs would let calvin johnson slip past them.

as for houston, i'm thinking it's either jamarcus russell or the best DB available at this point.

Lol...russell in the top 10, possibly top 5? Qb is not a strenght of the Texans, but we have significantly bigger holes to fill.
 
You got us passing Peterson? What's your logic? Not trying to sound rude. Just want to know why.

Here is what I like about your picks. It shows the amount of OL talent there is in this draft. I say trade the pick and get more non sexy OL picks.

Imagine Anyone of the top OL with Justin Blaylock.

I dont like taking running backs that early in the draft. I think you can find a decent or better back in the 2nd or 3rd round.

I also think that Peterson is injury prone & a little bit overrated.

I thought Maroney was the #1 back last year & if all those guys were just coming out now then I would have Peterson behind Maroney & Bush and not far ahead of Jones-Drew.

The Texans would do better to get a DB or OL in the 1st & maybe look at RB in the 2nd or 3rd, possibly not until the 4th.
 
1. Oakland- Calvin Johnson - WR, Georgia Tech
2. Detroit- Brady Quinn - QB, Notre Dame
3. Tampa Bay- Joe Thomas - OT, Wisconsin
4. Cleveland- Gaines Adams - DE, Clemson
5. Houston- Leon Hall - CB, Michigan
6. Washington- Alan Branch - DT, Michigan
7. Arizona- Jake Long - OT, Michigan
8. San Francisco- Dwayne Jarrett - WR, USC
9. Green Bay- Adrian Peterson - HB, Oklahoma
10. St. Louis- LaRon Landry - FS, LSU
11. Minnesota- Troy Smith - QB, Ohio St
12. Buffalo- Justin Blaylock - OG, Texas
13. Pittsburgh- Patrick Willis - MLB, Mississippi
14. Tennessee- Daymeion Hughes - CB, California
15. Carolina- Paul Poslusnzy - OLB, Penn St
16. Miami- Reggie Nelson - FS, Florida

I wonder if that (picks 5-7) has ever happened before in the 1st round.

Here is the draft order after week 14. You need to flip flow Houston and Washington.

1. Detroit Lions(2-11) .516
2. Oakland Raiders(2-11) .547
3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers(3-10) .557
4. Arizona Cardinals(4-9) .505
5. Washington Redskins(4-9) .516
6. Houston Texans(4-9) .521
7. Cleveland Browns(4-9) .531
 
Here is the draft order after week 14. You need to flip flow Houston and Washington.

1. Detroit Lions(2-11) .516
2. Oakland Raiders(2-11) .547
3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers(3-10) .557
4. Arizona Cardinals(4-9) .505
5. Washington Redskins(4-9) .516
6. Houston Texans(4-9) .521
7. Cleveland Browns(4-9) .531

I use my own rankings.

There is no way to tell how the season will play out so it doesnt matter anyway.
 
I like the prospect of Joe Thomas, but AP is the type of guy that makes others look real good. I hate feeling excited about the off season.
 
I dont like taking running backs that early in the draft. I think you can find a decent or better back in the 2nd or 3rd round.

I also think that Peterson is injury prone & a little bit overrated.

I thought Maroney was the #1 back last year & if all those guys were just coming out now then I would have Peterson behind Maroney & Bush and not far ahead of Jones-Drew.

The Texans would do better to get a DB or OL in the 1st & maybe look at RB in the 2nd or 3rd, possibly not until the 4th.

If it was Darren McFaddin, in '08, you'd take him. There's just no McFaddins on the boards this year. I just hope the Pack or Brownies fall in love with the All Day and we can move down. Might be passing up Duce Mcalister. Looks like a mash guy to me. His injury history is at least a trend.
 
As for the top 6 picks

Detroit - Brady Quinn or Gainse Adams. Kind of like us last year.
Oakland - Adrian Peterson
Tampa Bay - Brady Quinn or Gaines Adams
Arizona Cardinals - Joe Thomas
Washington Redskins - Calvin Johnson
Houston Texans - Landry DB (forget the school) or Reggie Nelson.

Am I close?
Close, but I could see the pick being Alan Branch or Paul Posluszny before Landry based on the current draft projection on the site I use. Frankly I would be happy with any one of the 4 guys you and I mentioned
 
As much as I like Alan Branch, I don't think Texans will draft DL in first round four years straight (Babin, TJ, Mario Williams). Simply not going to happen.

Texans needs to put people in stand so they will draft Adrian Peterson in round 1 if he is available.
 
As much as I like Alan Branch, I don't think Texans will draft DL in first round four years straight (Babin, TJ, Mario Williams). Simply not going to happen.

Texans needs to put people in the stands so they will draft Adrian Peterson in round 1 if he is available.

That is a terrible reason to draft someone but certainly a possibility.
 
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