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Vince Young does not rule ass

TexansLucky13 said:
Agreed. This rivals any given Carr bashing or Bush bashing thread. Thanks for pointing that out, KT.
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Right on Chief, keep the blinders on while your drive home your well thought out points based upon your bevy of experience. :rolleyes:

I will chalk your tirade up to youthful discretion.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Right on Chief, keep the blinders on while your drive home your well thought out points based upon your bevy of experience. :rolleyes:

I will chalk your tirade up to youthful discretion.
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Oh, I dare not challenge the elders of the Message Board who tend to the pool of knowledge. I guess nobody swims but you, right? Remember, swim up if you need air!
 
TexansLucky13 said:
Oh, I dare not challenge the elders of the Message Board who tend to the pool of knowledge. I guess nobody swims but you, right? Remember, swim up if you need air!
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Your words speak for themselves and many of us "elders" have already been through that station in life that you are going through. Pump your chest, have unbridled allegiance to the flock, funnel three beers, eat a taquito and make sure that everyone hears and sees you while you do it. Please continue, you and that shovel in your virtual hands seem to be like peas and carrots.
 
I'm not a fan of VY, but to judge a rookie QB in his first 5-6 games is stupid. Look at his game in 2-3 years and then you can probably see what/where he is at. Even then, if his team has been in turmoil, had coaching turn over and for lots of other reasons, may not be at what he can/should be at.
 
Since Vince became the starter in Week 4, he's accumulated the following stats:
80/173, 941 yards, 5 TDs, 7 INTs (3 rushing TDs)

During the same time span, Carr has accumulated these stats:
139/203, 1,261 yards, 3 TDs, 5 INTs (2 rushing TDs)

Their record as starters since then:
Vince - 3-4
Carr - 3-4

You can bring up their QB ratings if you'd like. Just keep in mind that Elvis Grbac has a higher career QB rating than Johnny Unitas.

And again:
Vince - Rookie
Carr - 5th year veteran
 
Huge said:
Their record as starters since then:
Vince - 3-4
Carr - 3-4

You can bring up their QB ratings if you'd like. Just keep in mind that Elvis Grbac has a higher career QB rating than Johnny Unitas.

And again:
Vince - Rookie
Carr - 5th year veteran
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I agree with your post however Carr is 3-7 which I am sure you were trying to say. Also I wouldn't call Carr a veteran just yet, he is still under the 5 years and counting development plan.
 
Hookem Horns said:
I agree with your post however Carr is 3-7 which I am sure you were trying to say. Also I wouldn't call Carr a veteran just yet, he is still under the 5 years and counting development plan.
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Carr is 3-4 as a starter (no better, no worse than Vince) since Vince took over in Tennessee. This is what I meant.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
tsk tsk....

How about we actually watch football, and not a stat sheet....

If you haven't seem him play this year then you wouldn't be able to tell how well he's played considering his circumstances...

If you have seen him play then you just can't recognize a rookie playing well...
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you do realize i live in tennessee...ive always thought the guy was trash. i watch the titans every week. Drew Bennett and Travis Henry have to do everything (and pacman on defense and returns)
 
kastofsna said:
i think some people take these rivalries too far. they get all worked up and think they have to hate everything about the other school, no matter what. i miss the good ole days where you hated the other guy, but respected him, and wished him well when you weren't playing. "i hate vince young" blah blah blah
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Im a fan of the University of Tennessee. There is no rivalry. I think the guy is way overrated...and always has been. I hate people saying that because he had a great game, especially running the ball against usc, that he is freakin god. Have you heard him speak? he can barely read. he makes stupid mistakes constantly. Even the papers around here are starting to get annoyed with his play, when he is being out performed by backups in Tampa and Seattle and Dallas and Kansas City.
 
kastofsna said:
i think some people take these rivalries too far. they get all worked up and think they have to hate everything about the other school, no matter what. i miss the good ole days where you hated the other guy, but respected him, and wished him well when you weren't playing. "i hate vince young" blah blah blah
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For kastofsna to say this means that some of you guys need to get a grip. There was no bigger pre-draft VY basher.
 
One more response for those who believe its a youthful mistake or that I'm jealous of Vince.

Most of those who are defending him are UT fans or Titans fans. I watch this guy play every week, and it makes me feel bad for Titans fans. Every Monday I hear the crying of Diehard Titans fans. He can run. But he's not Mike Vick, and it makes me very annoyed to hear him compared to him. He can throw the ball a mile, but its rarely very accurate, unless its a stopped target. Travis Henry is responsible for that teams offensive success. The comparison with Farve is because Farve has been on sucky teams for the past 3-4 years.

And never have I ever wanted to be anything like Vince Young. This has nothing to do with the University of Texas; only Vince. I didn't want to bring this up but now I will: the six on the wonderlic test. dont even say that crap about him retaking and making a 14 or whatever and blame the six on the noise around him. Heres an experiment. When Ted Ginn takes his test next year and gets higher than a 14 on his first try, it will put it to rest because for those of you who don't know, Ginn suffers severely from A.D.D. and throughout high school was in the "slow" class. I have no desire to be like Vince. I have no desire whatsoever to be attending the Derek Zoolander Institute for Kids who can't read good.

Just to reaffirm one point so i don't have to hear this anymore. I think he was overrated even in college. I put out those numbers to compare him with other qbs that have done poorly in their careers lately. So no much of that "he's a rookie deal"
 
AlbinoRat said:
One more response for those who believe its a youthful mistake or that I'm jealous of Vince.
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The question is who the hell are you to say that anybody sucks at anything? For that matter, the Rock sucks. If you don't believe me, go watch the Scorpion King.

Guys on a pro football MB have no business saying that any football player sucks. Unless they're a football player that plays against them.
 
So because I don't play I cannot criticize in anyway I feel I would like to? So basically to you, the NFL is like "Y" league football where you put the kid that absolutely blows in because you have to, and even though he cost your team the victory, he still should be criticized because everyone tried their best.

Well my friend, let me turn you on to this new philosophy called accountability. The NFL is a business. It's vicious. If you don't perform, you don't play. There is no better luck next season. Why are you here on these boards? To discuss football? Is every play a success in football? Do you ever catch yourself complaining about a sack or dropped pass? Don't ever try to tell me off like I'm your boy. This may be before your time, but how did you feel about Matt Stevens when he was starting at Free Safety for us? This board was all over him...because he wasn't playing up to par. Your Kumbaya campfire hold hands ideology won't work here. The why can't we all just get along deal doesn't apply here.
 
And by the way, the Rock is the most electrifying man in sports entertainment. You need to know your role. The Rock says hes gonna take your little CD, dust it off, turn it sideways, and shove it up, well you know the rest. Check your horoscope tommorrow. Something along the lines of this: be wary lest ye be on the receiving end of the peoples elbow.
 
Titan "Tack" Fan;506915 said:
Do you guys realize that Michael Vick has been in the league since 99? That is a long time and the guy hasn't really improved.
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Vick came out in 2001, but yeah, he really hasn't improved.
 
AlbinoRat said:
So because I don't play I cannot criticize in anyway I feel I would like to?
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Because you don't play you're welcome to criticize. To say a guy sucks is just lame.

What the hell are you so good at that gives you the right to say that somebody else sucks? Regurgitating Rock lines from 6 years ago?

You haven't even moved outta your mom's house yet.

Criticize all you want, but you don't rate.
 
Hookem Horns said:
Isn't Carr 3-7 as a starter? He has started every game.
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You're kidding, right?

Carr's record as a starter is 3-4 since Vince has become the starter in Tennessee.

I'm aware he's 3-7 on the season. The point is, during the same time span in which Vince has had to accumulate his win-loss record, Carr has done no better.


Albino,

Feel free to continue posting. Just don't get upset when everybody ignores what you have to say because your credibilty has been shot. If you smell what Huge is cooking.
 
Huge said:
You're kidding, right?

Carr's record as a starter is 3-4 since Vince has become the starter in Tennessee.

I'm aware he's 3-7 on the season. The point is, during the same time span in which Vince has had to accumulate his win-loss record, Carr has done no better.
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Sorry, I overlooked the "since then" part of your post.
 
Superstar said:
He has thrown more touchdown passes than Carr this season.
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Not true. Carr has 9, Young has 6.

Carr also holds a lead in passer rating, VY-56.1, Carr-89.5
And in completion percentage, Vy-45.7, Carr-69.5
And yards per attempt, for all those who critique Carr's low average, Vy is worse, VY-5.45, Carr-6.65
 
Vinny said:
The only thing they have in common is that they are black. Young is 6'5 and doesn't have a big arm but is elusive in short space and has a knack for making clutch plays while Vick is Reggie Bush playing QB. Short, explosive runner with a big arm who tends to crumble when forced to make a big play in a clutch situation.
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He was good with Dan Reeves and has pubicly said he wants to be with Dan Reeves. What happened with Dan Reeves? The infamous run at Lambeau field.
 
Vinny said:
The only thing they have in common is that they are black. Young is 6'5 and doesn't have a big arm but is elusive in short space and has a knack for making clutch plays while Vick is Reggie Bush playing QB. Short, explosive runner with a big arm who tends to crumble when forced to make a big play in a clutch situation.
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they're both run-first QB's. so, that's another thing they have in common.
 
Vinny said:
The only thing they have in common is that they are black. Young is 6'5 and doesn't have a big arm but is elusive in short space and has a knack for making clutch plays while Vick is Reggie Bush playing QB. Short, explosive runner with a big arm who tends to crumble when forced to make a big play in a clutch situation.
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As much as I'd rather not, I have to agree, though I'm still not sold on his ability to consistently make big plays with his arm, or more specifically, that he ever will be able to.
 
jerek said:
As much as I'd rather not, I have to agree, though I'm still not sold on his ability to consistently make big plays with his arm, or more specifically, that he ever will be able to.
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There is no doubt that VY has some learning to do, but the two things that I have seen from the kid in his time at UT through the present are his ability to improve and most importantly his team mates, for whatever reason, believe in him.
 
rmartin65 said:
Not true. Carr has 9, Young has 6.

Carr also holds a lead in passer rating, VY-56.1, Carr-89.5
And in completion percentage, Vy-45.7, Carr-69.5
And yards per attempt, for all those who critique Carr's low average, Vy is worse, VY-5.45, Carr-6.65
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Carr - 9 TDs in 285 attempts
Young - 6 TDs in 197 attempts

So is it a big advantage that Carr has 3 more TDs?

And while Carr has a higher average per attempt, Young has a big advantage in yards per completion:

Carr - 9.57
Young - 11.3

And again, Elvis Grbac has a higher career passer rating than Johnny Unitas. Mainly because the formula rewards more for completion percentage. If you're throwing dump-off passes all day (see the difference in their yards per completion), you're going to have a higher QB rating.

And most importantly:
Young - Rookie
Carr - 5th year
 
Kaiser Toro said:
There is no doubt that VY has some learning to do, but the two things that I have seen from the kid in his time at UT through the present are his ability to improve and most importantly his team mates, for whatever reason, believe in him.
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Which in my mind makes him a leader. Something the Texans have been lacking for quite some time now. I do like VY, but for some reason I didn't want him to come to Houston.:twocents:
 
Superstar said:
The way you put it, Carr only cares about his QB rating in the games he plays. Do you think that is true?
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I don't think that's true. I think Carr would be willing to do whatever it takes in order to win.

But there's a difference in being willing to do what it takes and being able to do what it takes.
 
Why is vince being compared to Vick and Carr there is nothing similar about them. Vick is a run first pass second Qb Vince is not. David Relies on his arm Vince doesent have to all the time. Vince is a rookie who improves every single game Mike vick hasent improved in 5 years. David in my 2 cent is going to be good ... he hasent lived up to his 1st Overall pick but I have a feeling he will. Its comparing Apples to Oranges
 
Vick is an inconsistent yet vastly talented QB who has won football games for his team

Carr is a consistently average to bad QB who has never won football games for his team

Young is a rookie who has already shown loads of talent and has already been leading his team to victory

isnt winning what its all about. personal stats are for fantasy geeks and losers....and for Carr loving homers...

How I would rate them as starters in the NFL
Vick #9 (hanging out with Eli, Bulger, and Delhomme)
Carr #27 (hanging out with Harrington, Leinart, and Frye)
Young #24 (and rising up the charts as a rookie)

Why does Carr get 5 years of being the anointed starter and peole still make excuses for why he sucks? Why does Young get labeled as a sucky QB when he is only 7 starts into his career? Do I hear the insepid stupidity of typical Aggie/Sooner redneck? Or is it just blind racism and/or playa hatin?

Whatever it is, it needs to go away. VY has already won as many games as Carr has this year and playing in 3 fewer....do the math and stop making yourselves look like myopic retards. VY would have the same if not more wins as Carr has if he would have been drafted by the Texans. I would actually say that we would have 4 wins easily if VY had started from Day One for the Texans....oh well....keep up the good work homers, you make me remember how ignorant typical Astros fan in regards to their 'heroes' like Jeff 'Chokejob' Bagwell or Craig '0 for playoffs' Biggio...you guys act like your sports heroes are the greatest when they always suck and end up choking when it counts....


doug ftw

doug ftw
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Vick is an inconsistent yet vastly talented QB who has won football games for his team

Carr is a consistently average to bad QB who has never won football games for his team

Young is a rookie who has already shown loads of talent and has already been leading his team to victory

isnt winning what its all about. personal stats are for fantasy geeks and losers....and for Carr loving homers...

How I would rate them as starters in the NFL
Vick #9 (hanging out with Eli, Bulger, and Delhomme)
Carr #27 (hanging out with Harrington, Leinart, and Frye)
Young #24 (and rising up the charts as a rookie)

Why does Carr get 5 years of being the anointed starter and peole still make excuses for why he sucks? Why does Young get labeled as a sucky QB when he is only 7 starts into his career? Do I hear the insepid stupidity of typical Aggie/Sooner redneck? Or is it just blind racism and/or playa hatin?

Whatever it is, it needs to go away. VY has already won as many games as Carr has this year and playing in 3 fewer....do the math and stop making yourselves look like myopic retards. VY would have the same if not more wins as Carr has if he would have been drafted by the Texans. I would actually say that we would have 4 wins easily if VY had started from Day One for the Texans....oh well....keep up the good work homers, you make me remember how ignorant typical Astros fan in regards to their 'heroes' like Jeff 'Chokejob' Bagwell or Craig '0 for playoffs' Biggio...you guys act like your sports heroes are the greatest when they always suck and end up choking when it counts....


doug ftw

doug ftw
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Vince would have more wins? Really. And you know this because...? VY is adequate at best. Glad Texans passed on him.
 
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