run-david-run
All Pro
I would prefer to get a saftey through FA then the draft, then we can focus on linebacker, O-line and running back in the draft.
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Landry or Meriweather
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TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
First, Peterson's dive into the endzone was not a celebration just what looked like a move to avoid the hit and get into the endzone.
Second, after seeing what Meriweather did in the game at FIU, I dont want him on the Texans, and I doubt Kubiak would either.
Second, after seeing what Meriweather did in the game at FIU, I dont want him on the Texans, and I doubt Kubiak would either.
AustinJB
Rookie
Well, I'm not going to give you negative rep for it, but I'd like to know what exactly about his "style" do you not like??
His style is one of the elements that makes him so desirable. He's a very hard-nosed, no-nonsense tackling machine who makes plays all over the field. He is fierce and an incredible competitor...evident by all of his blocked kicks. He gives full effort on every play. Not to mention that he is very fast and is good in pass coverage...forces fumbles, can make the interception....I don't know what else to say. How can you not like this style??
I challenge you to watch the UT/Nebraska game this Saturday at Noon and make it a point to watch Michael Griffin (#27....not his brother #26 although he is pretty good too). I guarantee you that Griffin will either be in on every play or very close to the ball when someone else gets there first. IMO, that sounds like a player that our Texans could definitely use
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whiskeyrbl
Guest
Have any of you thought aboutTom Zbikowski SS ND or Travarous Baine Hampton, or Eric Weddle Utah. You can find their profiles on www.fftoolbox.com then look on left hand toolbar for 2007 nfl prospects
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real
Guest
I don't like Zbikowski much.....I think people are overhyping these Notre Dame guys waaaaaay too much....IMO Smardizja(sp) is the best player on their team....hands down.....
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real
Guest
especially Brady Quinn....
bah007
Hall of Fame
It is possible, but most people have him as a top 3 safety, so its unlikely
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real
Guest
At this point I'd rather have Griffin than Landry or Merryface...
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Meriweather doesn't seem to fit with the young defensive guys we have brought in, I doubt we would select him even if he dropped to us in the second round.
CoastalTexan
Waterboy
There is no way we pick Meriweather now, the only consistent between the players we picked are good citizens/people. That seems to be the requirement for kubiak/mcnair. Look for the biggest boyscout/community service guy and that is who we will pick ex. Demeco Ryans.
bah007
Hall of Fame
You are right. We wont pick Meriweather because he is a punk.
But. We didnt pick Ryans because he is a "community service guy". We picked him because he was an All-American that was still available in a position of need.
run-david-run
All Pro
SEC Defensive player of the year, that is no small honor.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Right. Safety wise, Landry fits that mold, and Griffin doesn't seem to not fit it.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
http://forums.houstontexans.com/showpost.php?p=478207&postcount=86
In this post I have broken down Griffin's statistics alongside Michael Huff's.
Also a few posts down I breakdown LaRon Landry's statistics.
http://forums.houstontexans.com/showpost.php?p=478234&postcount=88
I thought it was interesting...if your interested you should give it a look.
In this post I have broken down Griffin's statistics alongside Michael Huff's.
Also a few posts down I breakdown LaRon Landry's statistics.
http://forums.houstontexans.com/showpost.php?p=478234&postcount=88
I thought it was interesting...if your interested you should give it a look.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
Positive rep coming your way.
AustinJB
Rookie
I'm right there with you. I've watched every single Texas game for the last 6-7 years and I love what Griffin would bring to the team. I thought Griffin was a better player than Huff even last year.
Don't get me wrong...Griffin's not necessarily the most physically gifted of the two....but a better player. You know, kinda like Ryans is a better player than some of the other physically gifted LBs that blew up the combine.
I've heard some mention that Griffin is a SS and we need a FS worse. This is true, but the fact of the matter is that Griffin plays SS b/c he has always been the most physical and hardest hitting DB on the team (even when Huff was on the team)...Not because he can't cover. Refer to Griffin's PBUs, INTs, etc. compared to Huff as evidence of this. Also, people may not realize that he runs a 4.4 and did play CB during his first year...so it's not like he doesn't have the speed, cover skills, or intelligence to play FS.
With all that being said, I still wouldn't be disappointed if we took Landry (but I don't want Merriweather)...I would just prefer Griffin b/c I've watched him on a first-hand basis and I know what we would be getting with him.
painekiller
All Pro
I have it as Landry, and then Griffen. I am not interested in Meriweather. The game I watched he was not a factor and then his action in the brawl will lead me away from him.
There are some other guys that I want to get some time watching like the guy from Wyoming, non 1st round types.
Right now Texas may have 2 DBs go in the first 45 picks.
There are some other guys that I want to get some time watching like the guy from Wyoming, non 1st round types.
Right now Texas may have 2 DBs go in the first 45 picks.
bah007
Hall of Fame
You're on to somethin there. CB Aaron Ross' stock is skyrocketing. But the fact that this is his first year starting could potentially hurt him (lack of maturity), help him, (means he hasnt reached his potential yet), or have no effect at all
painekiller
All Pro
Just to help the orange bloods out, and to be fair.
Draftdaddy.com has its top ten senior safeties listed as
Top 10
Rank Name School
1. Michael Griffin Texas (CB)
2. LaRon Landry Louisiana State
3. John Wendling Wyoming
4. Aaron Rouse Virginia Tech
5. Sabby Piscitelli Oregon State
6. David Overstreet Missouri
7. Willis Barringer Michigan
8. Brandon Meriweather Miami (Florida)
9. Michael Johnson Arizona
10. Zach Catanese Arizona State
on the cusp
Rank Name School
- Marvin White Texas Christian
- Will Myers Indiana
- Marcus Paschal Iowa
- Brandon Sharp Louisville
- Andrew Shanle Nebraska
I really like that Meriweather has really dropped. That looks like a third round ranking to at best to me, wait until the junior join the prospect list.
Draftdaddy.com has its top ten senior safeties listed as
Top 10
Rank Name School
1. Michael Griffin Texas (CB)
2. LaRon Landry Louisiana State
3. John Wendling Wyoming
4. Aaron Rouse Virginia Tech
5. Sabby Piscitelli Oregon State
6. David Overstreet Missouri
7. Willis Barringer Michigan
8. Brandon Meriweather Miami (Florida)
9. Michael Johnson Arizona
10. Zach Catanese Arizona State
on the cusp
Rank Name School
- Marvin White Texas Christian
- Will Myers Indiana
- Marcus Paschal Iowa
- Brandon Sharp Louisville
- Andrew Shanle Nebraska
I really like that Meriweather has really dropped. That looks like a third round ranking to at best to me, wait until the junior join the prospect list.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
I like Ross, but I just don't see Griffin as a FS that is any upgrade over Earl or Brown, which isn't saying much at all.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
On the same note, I just don't see Ross being anything higher than a second rounder, and yes, I take him there.
I'm also hoping for Okam to freefall like Scott last year as a UT DT.
I'm also hoping for Okam to freefall like Scott last year as a UT DT.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Okam is a DT. Jonathan Scott was an OT. I think he is on the Lions.
bah007
Hall of Fame
You prob mean Rodrigue Wright, who was an All-American DT but fell to like the 7th round for the Dolphins.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Id like to watch John Wendling too. Mel Kiper wrote about him this week in his Personnel Points. Apparently he runs a 4.38 40 and has a 41 inch vertical. I was looking at his stats. And in this year in 8 games he has 51 tackles 3.5 tackles for loss 1 sack 3 Breakups 1 forced fumble and 2 fumble recoveries. Played FS in his sophomore and junior year but plays SS this year in his senior year.
I like Ross also...I remembered him last year in the national championship game playing well. This year he looks a solid CB prospect. I dont see why you dont like Griffin though, I think he is an immediate update over both Earl and Brown. Really I see Griffin going mid-late 1st round, and Landry going after Griffin but not slipping past early second. I think those two are the top safeties at this point for sure.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
Yeah, they both had free-falls. But I was refering to Wright at DT.
bigbrewster2000
Veteran
Whoa, hold on there. CC Brown is not good in coverage.PERIOD. He hit pretty hard but he almost never wraps up. CC is a special teams player IMO( and , I like him, and wanted him to be a sucess story. He is simply not there. Griffin would easily be better than CC. I still would like to see Landry next to Earl.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
I was impressed with Clemson Safety Michael Hamlin, he did a nice job against Calvin Johnson, has the size, coverage skills and speed to match up against the bigger WR's, with major upside. I beleive he redshirted his freshman year so even though he is a sophmore he is three years removed from High School & should be eligible to declare for the draft if he chooses.
He would be a steal in the 3rd rd. meanwhile the Texans could go OT in the 1st another LB or DT in the second and their future Safety who I believe could move around the secondary where needed in specific match-ups (translation FS).
He would be a steal in the 3rd rd. meanwhile the Texans could go OT in the 1st another LB or DT in the second and their future Safety who I believe could move around the secondary where needed in specific match-ups (translation FS).
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I agree about Hamlin being a good safety, but I am pretty sure he will stay, because Clemson is getting better and better.
dat_boy_yec
Rookie
I read the stat's that were posted earlier in the thread. On paper they look favorable for Griffin, but and this is an honest question. Have people really tested Landry that much. I mean does Griffin have ball-hawking skills? Would he make an easy transition to FS in the pro's? I think landing a quality FS would greatly help our secondary, moreso than a CB, but I just wonder if either of these guys provide that.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Well he was tested in this last game in Tennessee against Tennessee and there was one play where he played the pass play perfectly and outjumped the receiver and the cornerback (who was behind the receiver, with no chance of catching the ball) for the ball and let the ball go right through his hands and into the hands of the receiver who then rode a tackle into the endzone.
He seems to have the ability and all to get himself into position to make a play, and most of the time it seems like he does it. I know he has double degit interceptions in his career at LSU (10), where he played significantly since he was a freshman. I wanna say that he started since he was a freshman. The guy is a good FS, and the best in this college draft class. We would be good to get him.
There are other safety prospects if we did not want to take him with our first rounder; he will not last past the first round, likely in the first half of it.
Griffin although has something like 7 interceptions, but he seems to be better in run support. Griffin as a FS would probably not be a ball hawk, although he would probably pick a few balls off each season at either FS or SS. It seems like I have seen Griffin play some snaps at the FS position, but I would ask the UT fans to come out and verify that.
What Griffin would provide, more so than anything else at least, is good tackling coming out of the secondary. Our secondary is horrible at tackling and Griffin would improve that. I think we need help at both tackling and coverage so Griffin seems to be the ideal guy. While Landry does both, he doesn't come out of the secondary to make a tackle with as much consistency as Griffin does, but it seems he is better in coverage. It is a tough decision.
Bottom line: if we are looking for a true, traditional FS, we should go for LaRon Landry in the first, but if we don't want to spend that first pick on a safety; there are other prospects that we can select in the second (although Griffin will not be one of them).
I think that we should go CB with our first pick and pick up Leon Hall from Michigan. He would make a good compliment to Robinson and we would have 2 strong corners and would allow us to move Faggins to nickel back where he belongs! If Meriweather or Griffin fell to the 2nd I would be all over them! Would be an amazing first 2 picks for us and would instantly improve our secondary!
bah007
Hall of Fame
Teams dont usually throw on Landry cuz he lines up on their number 3 WR which is a huge mismatch for the offense.
Griffin does have ball hawking skills. I think he looks like more of a SS in the NFL but he could still play FS.
AustinJB
Rookie
Agreed, Griffin does have ball-hawking skills. Isn't this evident in the fact that he always seems to be around the ball making a play?
I think he could play FS, and in reference to TS:
Yes, occasionally Griffin is in the FS position rather than SS...depends on the defensive package, play call, etc. He is versatile, just like Huff was/is. Huff started out as a CB and was eventually moved to S....Griffin has followed the same path.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
Griffin is always around the ball, and that is good, but it just seems to me that he is a few steps late. It just seems that he isn't very good in coverage or making the play on the ball before it is caught. We all know he can tackle well, but we have Earl and Brown who both excel at hitting hard and are mediocre in coverage. I know Griffin is an upgrade, but he is that same style, and personally...I am against it.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
I would love to have Landry or Griffin but don't know much about them besides whats on this board...
I would rather have and upgrade at the safety as far as coverage goes. Apparently brown and earl are good tacklers. i hate seeing receivers wide open down field. i would rather have a safety back there that doesn't have to tackle the receiver after he's caught it but just deflect the pass.
maybe a corner would be better in the 1st round and safety in the 2nd but are there legit FS in the 2nd? it seems the are all SS which may be not what we need most. please fill me in because i'm not very knowledgable when it comes to their exact role.
I would rather have and upgrade at the safety as far as coverage goes. Apparently brown and earl are good tacklers. i hate seeing receivers wide open down field. i would rather have a safety back there that doesn't have to tackle the receiver after he's caught it but just deflect the pass.
maybe a corner would be better in the 1st round and safety in the 2nd but are there legit FS in the 2nd? it seems the are all SS which may be not what we need most. please fill me in because i'm not very knowledgable when it comes to their exact role.
painekiller
All Pro
Landry is a legit FS and worth a high pick on. Griffin is more of a SS type with cover skills. Landry will change people's routes over the middle. Plan and simple.
bah007
Hall of Fame
So will Griffin.
Once a WR gets a taste of the medicine Griffin delivers over the middle he wont wanna go back inside the numbers.
painekiller
All Pro
I have watched both play,and Landry reminds me of a young Ronnie Lott, Griffin doesn't. Sorry. I like Griffin, but he is not the same kind of hitter Landry is.
That is my opinion. Yours can be different.
BTW I do not see Meriweather as being a hitter at all.
That is my opinion. Yours can be different.
BTW I do not see Meriweather as being a hitter at all.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I don't know...I would say Earl is a mediocre wrap-up tackler...but he can lay the wood down sometimes. Brown is a horrible tackler PERIOD. Our secondary tackling is BAD overall IMO. I think this is evident when Clinton Portis does not even stiff arm our secondary he just lets them bounce off of him (if u saw the redskins game you know what im talking about).
I agree that Landry can hit harder, be it on a receiver or a running back. What Griffin does is wrap up very well...very rarely do you see tacklers slip or break a tackle from Griffin. I dont know if I can say the same about Landry. Griffin might not hit as hard, but he comes with more consistancy downfield to make the tackle (on a running back) and he seems to more consistantly keep the player he is tackling from slipping away. Not that Landry is bad at this he just isn't as good as Griffin in form wrap-up tackling IMO.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
So will Dwayne Slay. I don't want a SS hybrid who is a solid tackler who is average in coverage. I want a true FS who excells at coverage and is good enough to tackle when he needs to tackle.
Think of it like this:
The Rockets played with Bob Sura as their PG for a year or so, and he was more of a hybrid. He was not a true PG and was not very good at running the floor and passing. Then, you have a Steve Nash. He excells at running the team and controling the ball. He finds his man every time and with that respect comes his open shots that he hits. This is why he is our MVP two years running.
I do not want a Bob Sura for this team. I want a Steve Nash, maybe minus the Canadian thing. We need someone who excells at what we need most and seems born to play FS.
Think of it like this:
The Astros played Lance Berkman in center field for a year or so, and he was and still is a 1B. While he made his fair share of plays, he couldn't get to quite a few balls that year. Then, we got Willy T. His speed and natural ability to play CF helped our team tremendously. He was born to play CF and excells at it.
I do not want someone like Berkman running around for us in our "CF". That is a liability. I want someone like Willy who is a natural at the position.
hot pickle
Canada Eh
i really like daymeion hughes, but i havent watched to many michigan games and never really watched hall, but whe that ohio state vs. Michigan game is on, i will be watchin hall, but i'd want a corner in the 1st, safety in the 2nd and then keep glenn earl or bring in a good vet, like ken hamlin, but ill put my trust in kubiak to bring at least 2 starters in through the draft
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real
Guest
I'm officially on the Draft Landry in the first bandwagon...
I think a good FS will do wonders for our whole defense....
I think a good FS will do wonders for our whole defense....
beerlover
Hall of Fame
I think y'all are to focused only on the big names at the safety position when NFL teams have to look deeper into College ranks to pull roster spots. This is the reason both will slip farther than you think & not worth a high pick like the Texans will have next spring, so forget about it unless they hang around when the Texans pick again.
What the Texans and most other teams need are players who can start in the trenches on both sides of the ball from the opening of fall camp. the Texans have gone defensive lineman two years in a row yet have never drafted a offensive lineman in the first even though everyone knows they need a franchise left tackle. thats the bandwagon I'm on.
Heck a trade up like a Babin scenero would be worth it I suppose if Landry is still available late 20's or something, but I have confidence there is more talent out there at the FS position like a Bob Sanders for instance (mid 2nd rd.) or latter (WR Marques Colston was a 7th rd pick- I remember watching him dominate the Aloha Bowl, don't know how he slipped that far?).
What the Texans and most other teams need are players who can start in the trenches on both sides of the ball from the opening of fall camp. the Texans have gone defensive lineman two years in a row yet have never drafted a offensive lineman in the first even though everyone knows they need a franchise left tackle. thats the bandwagon I'm on.
Heck a trade up like a Babin scenero would be worth it I suppose if Landry is still available late 20's or something, but I have confidence there is more talent out there at the FS position like a Bob Sanders for instance (mid 2nd rd.) or latter (WR Marques Colston was a 7th rd pick- I remember watching him dominate the Aloha Bowl, don't know how he slipped that far?).
bah007
Hall of Fame
Griffin is better than average in coverage. Comparing him to Dwayne Slay is ridiculous. I cant say for sure, but I am very confident that he will be at least one of the 3 fastest safeties at the combine next year. Griffin lays the wood when he can but is also an awesome wrap-up tackler. In the open field, he is the best tackler on the Texas roster, which is saying a helluva lot.
Your baseball metaphor has merit but your basketball metaphor is ridiculous. Comparing a below average player to a league superstar doesnt make sense. I see the arguement you are trying to make, but Nash is just flat-out more talented than Sura.
