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SESupergenius
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I don't know it's like some wierd parallel universe thread. Yes it is, not it isn't, no it isn't, yes it is.
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Chew on this: Carr and his short passing game
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SESupergenius
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I once had a puppy, it was dog.
so David giving the ball to Indy on our 20 on our 1st & second possesions of the game had nothing to do with it?? I mean we should expect that with a new scheme, poorly utilized running game, and poor line protection??
none of these balls were stripped mind you.
Again, you show you don't know what the heck you're talking about. Before the half, in both the Indy & Washington game, our running game was pretty avg.... getting 8 & 11 yard runs, picking up every 1st down they were asked to, and picking up positive yards on 1st & second down.
We stopped running the ball, because we were behind by multiple scores.
Philly, we stopped running too early for no reason. We were getting good yards from Morency & Lundy in the second half, and the score was manageable.
He played no differently than he did against Philly & Indy. If we'd have given him the ball in the second half of those games, he would have got the same results.
That was a great game. Great Defense, Andre had a great game.... Carr had a good game..... sorry, he played good enough.
Andre took the ball out of the Safeties hands, how can that be late??
I think it's obvious that my standards are higher.
Those are your words.
Again, it's not that the running wasn't consistent, we had to abandon it to try to catch up.
I'm done talking to you. If this is all you expect out of a #1 overall...... or an $8 million contract extension, it's better if you and I do not discuss QBs any more.
chuckm
Veteran
I just reviewed the pre-game tape ... David was actually 50 - 55 ... my bad
michaelm
vox nihili
Is that Troll in the classic message board meaning of the word, or more like the 'lives under the bridge and won't let you cross' meaning.
Unless I'm mistaken, describing someone as a troll who has nearly 400 more posts than you might be a misuse of the word... now me, on the other hand, you can call a troll...
chuckm
Veteran
yea right ....... everyone says that but no one can prove it ....
Texanfan4ever
Rookie
Please help me understand why the 2nd quarter is meaningless. It must be, the Texans scored 10 points in the 2nd, including a TD pass by Carr. I already understand that when Carr had success in the 4th quarter, that is was meaningless because the 4th quarter is just garbage time. The fact that we scored 17 points in the 4th is more proof of how bad Carr is. A QB who does well in the 4th quarter _YECH!! Nothing could be worse!
I also understand that 1st quarter scores are meaningless because Carr had some TD passes in the 1st quarter this year. Why those plays are scripted and the QB has no impact!
But now I am confused. Please explain why the 2nd quarter is irrelevant, and only the 3rd quarter has any meaning. Thanks for your help!
Ha ha!! Good post! Take that you Carr haters!!! They will still be around when we win the superbowl someday and have all the reasons then too for why Carr is a loser. Unbelievable!!
chuckm
Veteran
It's ironic that you would post this ..... last week there was no shortage of posts detailing the lack of a running game as reason for Carr's "bad" game ..... yet there followed a surplus of posts by [John Facenda's Voice]"veteran"[/John Facenda's Voice] message board members reminding us that good teams (and good quarterbacks) win even in the absence of a dependable running game ... so this week we do what's necessary to win, yet we still read that "we", meaning the Texans, threw a disproportionate amount of short passes .....
You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't ----- Bart Simpson
TK ----- please submit your Tennessee gameplan on Tuesday so that the coaches can digest it prior to Wednesday
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
All QBs should have some gunslinger in them . Favre used to be considered great when he threw the ball up to let his WRs go get it . Favre is not considered so great now because he does'nt have the WRs there to go get it .
As far as Carr goes ... after the Jaguars scored on the first drive of the 3rd quarter , I really thought it was important to answer the score with at least a couple of first downs . That did not happen and I thought ... here we go again . The defense ( Peek ) made the play of the game and Carr and the offense redeemed themselves nicely .
As far as Carr goes ... after the Jaguars scored on the first drive of the 3rd quarter , I really thought it was important to answer the score with at least a couple of first downs . That did not happen and I thought ... here we go again . The defense ( Peek ) made the play of the game and Carr and the offense redeemed themselves nicely .
Texanfan4ever
Rookie
Thanks for enlightening us all to why you feel the way you do. It's either Carr's fault or Bush's in your book I'm sure.
Now don't go blaming the coaches. They have recievers running deeper routes, they are getting the one on one coverage that we said AJ & Eric will thrive on. We've seen one safety, and we've seen the middle of the field wide open. We've seen Eric Moulds covered by LBs & OwenDAniels covered by midgets, but David will throw the underneath route everytime.
& I have nothing against the underneath route, or the RBs in the flat, but if it's 3rd & 10, there better be 10 yards of empty field in front of that RB, and we better not have single coverage on either of our ProBowl WRs....
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
I do not think you addressed the question, but I cannot debate your take, except for midgets covering Owen Daniels. I will go back and watch the other games, but I do not recall any midgets on the opposing side.
What are you talking about?? I love W... he's my boy, & I totally support what he is doing in Iraq..... I blame him for the gas prices thing....... letting it get out of hand, and not drilling in ANWAR, but that's another argument altogether.
David, can be better. I trust with Kubiak, he will be better. Kubiak isn't going to have to hide his shortcomings like he has had to do with Plummer.
I don't get what the big deal is.
Aaron Glenn is a midget, and the LB Jacksonville Matched up on Eric & Owen in the slot was a midget.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Bob McNair
Waterboy
Although I'm sure that the "real" Bob McNair has had too much of things shown to him during the games for 4 years:
Charlie C: Now that play there you see, that was a coaching problem. Now, clearly, the players have the talent. In fact, Bob, someone has done an excellent job of acquiring talent, you see - not that I'm taking all the credit.
Bob M: On this play - that player just doesn't have much talent.
Charlie C: OK, well now, Bob, you see, that player there - he was one that the coaching staff insisted on. Now, me, I didn't think he was the best fit, but well, I'm a team work kinda guy Bob, so I let the coaches have that pick.
Bob M: (silently to self) This guy is making me pull out my hair....
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
I pity the fool that goes up against this midget
Easily the early leader in polling to be the official Patron Saint of Nickle Back Midgets.
chuckm
Veteran
You are wonderfully absurd at times.
You're half right ....
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
TK, your TIVO has a far worse case of tunnel vision than what you ascribe to Carr.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Proof that you can let people define themselves.
Is it, or is it not a mismatch in our favor based on size??
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Yes everytime a QB sees a 5' 9" Aaron Glenn (multiple pro-bowler) they should assume anyone taller is a mismatch or maybe a 5' 10" Dunta Robinson, or 5' 10" DeAngelo Hall or 5' 10" Ronde Barber or 5' 10" Nathan Vasher--especially on a TE no taller than WR's they cover every day like AJ, Roy Williams, Javon Walker, Keyshawn Johnson. But no--you have cracked the case.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Yall do realize that Carr has a 7.08 ypa avg. Only .78 ypa behind P. Manning. Anytime you can avg. more than 7 yards a comp. its gravy
People need to remember this is also his first year and a very complex offense, he has done great so far and is the only QB comp. 70% of his passes. I mean really what the heck is there to complain about......really. I'll take that all day long. Once the running game gets going you'll see this whole offense open up, thats what we are missing. Carr and the passing game is the last of our problems.
People need to remember this is also his first year and a very complex offense, he has done great so far and is the only QB comp. 70% of his passes. I mean really what the heck is there to complain about......really. I'll take that all day long. Once the running game gets going you'll see this whole offense open up, thats what we are missing. Carr and the passing game is the last of our problems.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
And that "once" is still a long way off. We entered the 4th qtr with something like 30 yds at 2.1 ypc. It was abysmal until Lundy came in and had two long runs plus a Carr run which pumped the ypa to for the game to stats which didn't reflect the run game at all.
3.9 ypc--still not great--is better than the 2.0 ypc vs. Dallas but does not demonstrate an effective running game.
Are you just jumping into the middle of an argument, or do you know what all we are talking about.
You don't see OwenDaniels on AaronGlenn is a mismatch?? in our favor??
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
The running game will eventually come around, if not with the backs we have this year, then with someone else next year. Kubiak has always had a good running game, just got to be patient.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
A. Glenn is now a mismatch because of his age and declining skills, but in his prime, I would take A. Glenn hands down.
Bob McNair
Waterboy
Seesh, am I required to use the
smilie in every sentence I write?Actually, I do see the difference between scoring a TD in a blowout (either way) and a close game. Although, I think the ultimate purpose of playing is to win the Championship. Since neither the Texans or the Jags will win the Super Bowl this year, any scores in the entire game are meaningless! Maybe not as obvious as our game vs SF last game but similar.
Obviously, the garbage time points mean less, but they are not meaningless; it still shows that you can execute plays (even if you didn't show that in the first 3 quarters). It is the Carr Haters who define anything Carr does good as meaningless, and anything that goes wrong as his fault. First they say none of his TDs in the 4th quarter "count" because the 4th quarter is garbage time. Now that he has thrown TDs in the 4th quarter of 2 wins, well since he is still the worst QB in history, that is also meaningless. If you admit that the scores against Miami and Jax count for something, then it is time you stop hating and admit that Carr is doing a decent job.
Carr Haters have thrown out the entire QB rating system because he has a good rating this year. Yes, the rating system has flaws, but not until Carr has a good rating are completion %, TD %, Int %, and Yards per Completion completely irrelevant to a QBs performance! The only things that matter are sacks and fumbles. (The OL has no impact on those! Carr's fumbles are never the result of a bad snap, or hitting his arm whacked by a virtually unblocked defensive player!) OH NO!
A game with only one sack and no fumbles! Well, Carr is just the worst ever, because,....the Carr Haters love to hate!You are not just the only one arguing with me. You are pretty much the only one arguing with everybody! Maybe most of the Carr Hater Club are already at the altar in Nashville to praise Vince and Bud.
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Not true....
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
I am not sure where I have seen any Carr hating going on as of late, but there is certainly a voice that could only care about how well Carr did and is promoting a beautiful strawman for the upcoming Harvest moon.
HeartofHouston
Waterboy
Carr hater need to get off his back in their opinion no matter what Carr does it's never going to be good enough. He's playing well in this offense.. not spectacular but very well considering that it's his first season under Kubes.
I'm just amp'd up to see what we can do next year with a little more talent around him on the offensive line a better running back situation. Also with another year under his belt and another year with kube in his ear.
I'm just amp'd up to see what we can do next year with a little more talent around him on the offensive line a better running back situation. Also with another year under his belt and another year with kube in his ear.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Based on size, it's not a mismatch, because skill can overcome size. Based on AG's diminishing skills due to age, it's a mismatch in our favor. Size has little to do with it.
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real
Guest
I wouldn't say size has "little" to do with it....A size disadvantage can be overcome....But size defintely plays a role in football...
eriadoc
Texan-American
I guess I should have clarified my statement - In this case (AG vs. OD), size has little to do with it. AG in his prime would eat OD alive.
As an aside, however, the game seems to be changing again to focus on speed and quickness as opposed to size in some positions. For a while, all you could hear about were the big, physical WRs. Today, there are some small WRs making a big impact. Smallish CBs have always held their own against the larger WRs if they are highly skilled (AG, Bailey, our own Robinson, Hall, etc.), and it seems like whenever a team is willing to give an "undersized" MLB a chance, he usually plays well. I'm sure perception has a lot to do with this view, but I can probably come up with a pretty extensive list of current players who lack ideal size and perform well against larger players.
If Owen gets position on Glenn, it would be difficult for the 5'9" Glenn to stop Owen(6'3") from catching the ball without commiting a penalty. If you watched last night's game, Shockey was boxing out DemarcusWare & Roy Williams... ODaniels on AaronGlenn is a mismatch.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Aaron Glenn is the best cover corner I have ever seen in my life. He could cover Yao Ming on a fade route and knock it away without getting called for interference
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real
Guest
I guess you were born after Deion Sanders retired.....
bah007
Hall of Fame
No but Deion was great. But he couldnt stick to guys like Glenn can. And now that pass interference is such a ridiculous penalty a lot of Deion's techniques would be illegal, especially the armbar
hollywood_texan
All Pro
Carr had another good game. Threw a high completion percentage but seems to be stuck on the hump of the deuce with regard to passing yards.
Two things that Carr needs to do and real soon is:
1. Throw deep over the middle of the field,
2. Throw for more more than 260 yards per game over a 3 to five game stretch.
If he takes care of the deep middle throws (basically, between the hashes), then the yards per game average will take care of itself. That will open up so much of the field with regard to running and passing that this offense would just churn yards like it is nothing.
One thing that really concerns me is that this offense does it's best with a lead and the offense takes too long to get warmed up. I still haven't seen this offense execute the 2 minute drill or come up with a big drive to win a game.
Carr is playing better, but it is really the defense that has improved to allow the offense many tries to score points for a victory.
The last three games, the defense has only allowed three field goals in the first half, whereas the offense has only scored 19 points in that same time frame. Basically, the offense over the past three games has averaged just under a touchdown in the first half or 6.33 points. Let's not forgot the offense still hasn't scored in the 3rd quarter yet this season.
It seems real clear right now that the Texans are not going to win a shoot out or come from behind to win a game.
Defense has really improved, now it is the offense's turn to blow the door down and start chalking up some impressive victories.
Two things that Carr needs to do and real soon is:
1. Throw deep over the middle of the field,
2. Throw for more more than 260 yards per game over a 3 to five game stretch.
If he takes care of the deep middle throws (basically, between the hashes), then the yards per game average will take care of itself. That will open up so much of the field with regard to running and passing that this offense would just churn yards like it is nothing.
One thing that really concerns me is that this offense does it's best with a lead and the offense takes too long to get warmed up. I still haven't seen this offense execute the 2 minute drill or come up with a big drive to win a game.
Carr is playing better, but it is really the defense that has improved to allow the offense many tries to score points for a victory.
The last three games, the defense has only allowed three field goals in the first half, whereas the offense has only scored 19 points in that same time frame. Basically, the offense over the past three games has averaged just under a touchdown in the first half or 6.33 points. Let's not forgot the offense still hasn't scored in the 3rd quarter yet this season.
It seems real clear right now that the Texans are not going to win a shoot out or come from behind to win a game.
Defense has really improved, now it is the offense's turn to blow the door down and start chalking up some impressive victories.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Not to mention he could beat up Chuck Norris!
bah007
Hall of Fame
You really called me out on this and I have to change my mind. I can admit when I'm wrong and you are right. Deion was an all-around stud.
Aaron Glenn is the second best cover corner I have ever seen
HJam72
Hall of Fame
I didn't like losing him, but I never thought he was THAT good.
bah007
Hall of Fame
In the prime of his career? He was awesome. He had 23 picks from 98-02 and QBs hardly ever threw toward him. Too bad only 1 of those seasons was with us.
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
Primetime shut down his half of the field.
I'm not a fan of Neon Deion, but nobody can take away his dominance at his position. Dude was simply awesome in his prime, and I was glad he played for NFC teams most of the time.
