Lay off of Kubiak

[The Mighty Texan]

I am a broncos fan, and now a texans fan out of loyalty to kubs. I read through your post and it makes me ill. Alot of you guys are missing the boat completely and i question your football knowledge. Some things to remember with the "system"

1.) Your O-Lineman are to slow to zone block. They are not getting to the second level. The linebackers are not getting blocked. The running backs are not good for any system. Kubs cant fix that with one year. It is insane and rediculous to think he can. The best part is to get the lineman he needs, he can draft them in the 4th through 6th round without killing the cap.

2.) Carr- The play book he has now is 250 pages thick. The are at least 7 audible calls per play. Everything is different, it is very hard for him and the recievers. The recievers you have came from non west coast. They are still learining to run the timing routes. It takes 3 years for a new system to be utilized completely.

3.) Kubs is cut throat like shannahan. If you dont perform with him you will be gone. I would look for alot more casulties as the year goes on. He will weed out the bad apples, and also will not sell his soul for a bad apple.(TO)

4.) Give him time and you will win, I would bet my life on it. The man knows football and has watched and learned from the man with the best winning percentage of the last 10 years.

IF YOU BELIEVE IT WILL COME

I love your post!... You are right. But would you agree the RB situation was a disaster from the start because we THOUGHT Davis would be ok and he wasn't. Yet, no one adressed this till way too late?

I would be interested to hear what you think about Michael Turner as a RB for next year? I brought this up an got thrashed for it. But, I still believe he would fit in this style of offense. I think his vision and his speed burst is what would work for us. What would you think? San Diego can't keep both LT and MT... What would your take be on this to hope for another 1st pick next year or go for MT?


The Mighty Texan

 

[touttail]

Good post k-e.

The old saying, You can't build Rome in one day, holds true for this team.

I do believe we should give Kubes every benefit of the doubt. My gosh, look what he came in to, a 2-14 team. I agree what someone else said, some of our starters wouldn't even be on other teams practice squad.

Just like Texas Stadium. The championship flags Dallas had hanging, the ring of honor, the awe & tradition that had been in that stadium. With my sitting there looking at all of this. The Astros just started hanging some champ. flags not too long ago(besides the 86 team). We will have to build on this to have traditions and a team that we all can be proud of!

I too do my share of biatching, but at least we have NFL in Houston. Let's do support that fact. We could be having to go to Dallas to support a NFL team, God forbid. Lets all continue to be a Texan supporter. Thank Bob McNair for giving us a team in Houston! Don't let this team get away from us!!!!!!

Granted, we do have the right to gripe and make our points heard. I too will continue to do so, but on the other hand appreciating what we DO HAVE in Houston!.

Peace to all,

Bobby 119C

 

[infantrycak]

I would be interested to hear what you think about Michael Turner as a RB for next year? I brought this up an got thrashed for it.

You didn't get thrashed for it because Turner would be a bad fit--he would be a very good fit. You got responses which explained why it is unlikely--specifically an explanation of the RFA rules and how it is likely a team will have to give up more draft value than the Texans would be wise to do in order to pry him away from SD.

 

[kubs-elway]

Turner would be a great fit in any system, especially in the ZBS. He is a one cut and gone back, plus he is good at blocking and recieving. Your back HAS to be able to block in west coast

 

[Battle Red Flash]

4.) Give him time and you will win, I would bet my life on it.

Time is the key. Too many fans want the playoffs now.
New offensive system, new defensive system, new coaches, and many new players. Historically, this means growing pains. I see what Kubes is trying to do, and I'm willing to give him time to do it.

 

[GuerillaBlack]

Well, the Dom Capers Era certainly didn't work. When they upped to 7-9 in 2004, things seemed like they were going to get better. Then somewhere the bottom fell out.

Enter the Gary Kubes Era. I believe he will eventually get the people he wants to suit his system which works so well in Denver.

This is still a very young franchise that merely ended Phase I and is now entering Phase II. Sometimes Phase I doesn't work out, as it was the case here. What are you gonna do? At least the Texans did pick a proven winner in Kubes who will need some time with this advent of Phase II.

No one can deny the noticeable improvement in the offense...and this is considering Dom Davis isn't even available this year. Sure, the running game sucks. But aren't there teams out there whose running games would suck if their projected or star running back had to sit out the year? One great positive is the growing chemistry between Carr and AJ.

The defense is a big project, to be sure. But perhaps, defense can feed on the offense. And once Dom Davis is up and healthy, that should be a good windfall for the Texans' O next year.

 

[phan1]

Right now, the only serious complaint I have is him hiring Sherman. Looked fantastic on paper, but hasn't produced anything at all thus far. Plus, Kubiak looks just fine out there, and Sherman hasn't looked like he's had to mentor Kubiak at all. Right now, all it looks like he's doing is screwing up our Oline. I'm pretty sure he won't be here next season.

 

[thunderkyss]

My only problem with Kubiak so far is his close to the vest play calling. Texans are going to lose a majority of their games this year. That's a given. But at least make them somewhat entertaining losses. Take shots down the field. I'd rather them lose 35-28 than 34-6 every week.

I agree, but just because David threw a 4 yard underneath route doesn't mean there wasn't a deeper route available. If you see two WRs, a TE, and the FB release into the field, that could very well mean there are 4 options for David to choose.

 

[NATHANHALE]

Well, the Dom Capers Era certainly didn't work. When they upped to 7-9 in 2004, things seemed like they were going to get better. Then somewhere the bottom fell out.

Enter the Gary Kubes Era. I believe he will eventually get the people he wants to suit his system which works so well in Denver.

This is still a very young franchise that merely ended Phase I and is now entering Phase II. Sometimes Phase I doesn't work out, as it was the case here. What are you gonna do? At least the Texans did pick a proven winner in Kubes who will need some time with this advent of Phase II.

No one can deny the noticeable improvement in the offense...and this is considering Dom Davis isn't even available this year. Sure, the running game sucks. But aren't there teams out there whose running games would suck if their projected or star running back had to sit out the year? One great positive is the growing chemistry between Carr and AJ.

The defense is a big project, to be sure. But perhaps, defense can feed on the offense. And once Dom Davis is up and healthy, that should be a good windfall for the Texans' O next year.

First, considering the state this team is in, I too believe it will be many many years before we are a winning team--saying 3 yrs, IMO, is generous.

"No one can deny the noticeable improvement in the offense"

However, where is the back-up for statements like this? In '06 rankings compared to where we finished in '05, our offense in both years is ranked 30th in total offense and has the same ranking in scoring at 27th. Where is this 'noticable difference?'

OK, Carr has better stats so far, but we are talking TEAM.

I absolutely agree that it's going to take years and years to get all the players we need to fit 'perfectly' in Kubiak's (or whoever) system, but I think it's 'counter productive' to say something is 'noticeably better' without backing it up.....

...too, several posters are talking about Dom Davis returning next year and that is still a big big 'question mark'---JMO, but we should plan without him and-if he comes back able to play, great (a bonus)---remember, DRs said DD's knee is not going to get better and DD said he won't play until it feels like it 'use to'.............

 

[thunderkyss]

So are we giving up on this season?? ARe we conceding 11 more losses??

Or is it too early to tell what our record would be when it's all said & done??

 

[valleytexfan]

I am a broncos fan, and now a texans fan out of loyalty to kubs. I read through your post and it makes me ill. Alot of you guys are missing the boat completely and i question your football knowledge. Some things to remember with the "system"

1.) Your O-Lineman are to slow to zone block. They are not getting to the second level. The linebackers are not getting blocked. The running backs are not good for any system. Kubs cant fix that with one year. It is insane and rediculous to think he can. The best part is to get the lineman he needs, he can draft them in the 4th through 6th round without killing the cap.

2.) Carr- The play book he has now is 250 pages thick. The are at least 7 audible calls per play. Everything is different, it is very hard for him and the recievers. The recievers you have came from non west coast. They are still learining to run the timing routes. It takes 3 years for a new system to be utilized completely.

3.) Kubs is cut throat like shannahan. If you dont perform with him you will be gone. I would look for alot more casulties as the year goes on. He will weed out the bad apples, and also will not sell his soul for a bad apple.(TO)

4.) Give him time and you will win, I would bet my life on it. The man knows football and has watched and learned from the man with the best winning percentage of the last 10 years.

IF YOU BELIEVE IT WILL COME

Great post...and I do, in fact, believe.

 

[NATHANHALE]

So are we giving up on this season?? ARe we conceding 11 more losses??

Or is it too early to tell what our record would be when it's all said & done??

Unfortunately, TK, as the team has produced similar results to the last 4 years, there has been a 'major' shift toward 3+ years before we win more than we lose. Initially, when Kubiak was first hired, there was a 'sooner than later' win 'anticipation' but that is dying down after all the 'posts that say differently (to be nice)...

Too, IMO, we'll see fewer posts that offer criticism of any kind about the performances we see on the field--there is a 'general' feeling that if you can't 'say' something 'good,' don't say anything at all...you can sense this from the posts that-don't just disagree with another poster-but offer a 'response' that is a 'little' more 'personal.'

 

[Texans_Chick]

So are we giving up on this season?? ARe we conceding 11 more losses??

Or is it too early to tell what our record would be when it's all said & done??

I am not conceeding anything.

I think it all depends on whether our defense can be just adequate versus tragic. There have been signs of life over the last two games. I think the team can goof around with the offense enough to deal with its personnel shortcomings, but it is going to need some defensive/special teams help.

The Texans have played a hard schedule, and this week doesn't make it easier.

The question is whether the Texans can survive the road show coming up. Whether it makes them stronger as a team, or more fragile.

 

[real]

I heard someone on the Radio suggesting that instead of Battle Red day we do a "surrender white day".....LMAO....I didn't like the thought of giving in but it was funny none the less....

 

[Dread-Head]

I am a broncos fan, and now a texans fan out of loyalty to kubs. I read through your post and it makes me ill. Alot of you guys are missing the boat completely and i question your football knowledge. Some things to remember with the "system"

1.) Your O-Lineman are to slow to zone block. They are not getting to the second level. The linebackers are not getting blocked. The running backs are not good for any system. Kubs cant fix that with one year. It is insane and rediculous to think he can. The best part is to get the lineman he needs, he can draft them in the 4th through 6th round without killing the cap.

2.) Carr- The play book he has now is 250 pages thick. The are at least 7 audible calls per play. Everything is different, it is very hard for him and the recievers. The recievers you have came from non west coast. They are still learining to run the timing routes. It takes 3 years for a new system to be utilized completely.

3.) Kubs is cut throat like shannahan. If you dont perform with him you will be gone. I would look for alot more casulties as the year goes on. He will weed out the bad apples, and also will not sell his soul for a bad apple.(TO)

4.) Give him time and you will win, I would bet my life on it. The man knows football and has watched and learned from the man with the best winning percentage of the last 10 years.

IF YOU BELIEVE IT WILL COME

I kinda have to agree on this one. The man has barely been in charge 1/3 of a season and still has to clear a bunch of the mistakes made by his predacessors.

DH

 

[Dread-Head]

So are we giving up on this season?? ARe we conceding 11 more losses??

Or is it too early to tell what our record would be when it's all said & done??

Landry's 1st season with a certain team in Dallas he lost every game. Johnson's 1st season with the same team years later...only won one. You can't implement a new system and expect things to do a complete 180 overnight.

DH

 

[BigDTexansFan]

I don't even want to discuss how depressing 3 more years of losing sounds...

you know what I find depresssing, is the constant whine of what if we lose again and again...got a word for fans like that (deritive of cat)...is this about success or so you can run up and own road bragging you are a Texans fan....you know and I know is about living through the team...they are winners I AM A WINNER....BS!!!!

You are a texans fan WIN OR LOSE or you are some mealymouthed little punk who thinks because he buys a ticket he has right to rip anyone and everyone because we aren't making him happy.

BUY A CLUE EINSTEIN:brickwall

 

[real]

you know what I find depresssing, is the constant whine of what if we lose again and again...got a word for fans like that (deritive of cat)...is this about success or so you can run up and own road bragging you are a Texans fan....you know and I know is about living through the team...they are winners I AM A WINNER....BS!!!!

You are a texans fan WIN OR LOSE or you are some mealymouthed little punk who thinks because he buys a ticket he has right to rip anyone and everyone because we aren't making him happy.

BUY A CLUE EINSTEIN:brickwall

It's just a game...nothing more.....

 

[thunderkyss]

Landry's 1st season with a certain team in Dallas he lost every game. Johnson's 1st season with the same team years later...only won one. You can't implement a new system and expect things to do a complete 180 overnight.

DH

we can find examples that are totally opposite from this as well.

Marvin Lewis took over a team that was 2-14, and had a "culture of loosing" His first year, they went 8-8. The following year they were the favorites in the AFC championship game.

This season isn't over yet. I continue to see improvement in DavidCarr, the OLine, the Defensive line, & the LBs...

I beleive for the most part, we are our own worst enemy. Turnovers, small mistakes, and miscommunication has led to our "blow-outs" and I feel they are small things that can be fixed, with practice, patience, and focus.

We've got 11 games coming up..... while none of them can be seen as gauranteed wins, we've got a chance to win them all if we don't beat ourselves.

we've got weaknesses on our team...... but so does everybody else, we need to get better at compensating for our weaknesses, and exploiting theirs.

I'm still very confident that Gary will continue to work on getting better. I predict we'll start to see an improved running game. with Jacksonville giving up 92 ypg @ 3.5 ypc, Tennessee giving up 164 ypg @ 4.7 ypc, and NewYork giving up 113.8 ypg @ 4.1 ypc......... that along with continued practice, and proper learning of the ZBS.

 

[Marcus]

This is for NATHANHALE:

...think about it...how are we going to ever learn how to win if we keep 'playing not to lose?'...once the team has everything in place and has exhausted everything it could possibly need to win, is there a 'switch' we turn on to go from 'playing to lose' to 'playing to win?'...nah,JMO, but I don't think so...

Don't you think the other team is playing a type of defense that would make it very hard to take shots down the field? But who cares? Throw it down there anyway. And be sure to scream the loudest when Carr get's it picked off . . . like I know you will.

...and we're not even talking about winning here...we were just talking about trying some different things to score a few points...sorry, I realize now I was asking too much...will just go back in my corner, now--is that at least OK?...or will that offend somebody??

...we can't run--other team takes away our verticle passing game--ok, I got it now---that's why we dink and dunk so much!...now, we just need to get our defense to do the same and we can see who can dink and dunk the best!!...you're so smart, like I knew you were!!!

Too, IMO, we'll see fewer posts that offer criticism of any kind about the performances we see on the field--there is a 'general' feeling that if you can't 'say' something 'good,' don't say anything at all...you can sense this from the posts that-don't just disagree with another poster-but offer a 'response' that is a 'little' more 'personal.'

Just to clarify, when I said "like I know you will", I didn't mean that as an attack on you personally, NATHANHALE, but rather an attack on Carr's critics in general.

To be honest, I wouldn't mind it if Carr threw it 50 or 60 times, and took a shot downfield on every series of downs. But I fully understand , that due to the opposing defense being ready for this , because of no running game, that I fully expect him to get picked off a lot, and sacked a lot because of it. But unlike all these Carr haters, I won't be waiting with baited breath to blame it all on him when it happens.

 

[Erratic Assassin]

Dont lose faith in Kubiak based on his first 5 performances. Other new head coaches have inherited stronger franchises and are more prepared to start winning now.

That's not what Dan Reeves led us to believe. According to him we were better than a 2-14 team. He convinced McNair that the problem WASN'T THE TALENT, but was merely the coach. That's why Capers got ****canned before Casserly.

Apparently, it WAS THE TALENT, and therefore Casserly's fault after all. But anyone who questioned Casserly's decisions was immediately reminded that Casserly is an expert and he is not, even though anyone with 2 eyes could see that Casserly pissed away 5 offseasons.

I'm seeing the same pattern with anyone who questions Kubiak.

 

[sleepwalker]

Good post!

 

[TexansSeminole]

Its going to be fun to watch which players Kubiak and Smith bring in.

 

[thunderkyss]

That's not what Dan Reeves led us to believe. According to him we were better than a 2-14 team. He convinced McNair that the problem WASN'T THE TALENT, but was merely the coach. That's why Capers got ****canned before Casserly.

Apparently, it WAS THE TALENT, and therefore Casserly's fault after all. But anyone who questioned Casserly's decisions was immediately reminded that Casserly is an expert and he is not, even though anyone with 2 eyes could see that Casserly pissed away 5 offseasons.

I'm seeing the same pattern with anyone who questions Kubiak.

the redskins are better than a 2-14 team, but look at how they started this season with a new Offensive Coordinator. I'm not saying that we should've gone to the playoffs last year, but we lost a lot of close games that could've gotten us there.

Tennessee, StLouis, & SF were also games we should've won, but with bad playcalling, and poor player attitudes, we got creamed, mainly due to the coaching.

Kubiak is cutting players who don't fit, Robaire(who is still playing) Gaffney(who is still playing) MilfordBrown(still playiing) VernandMorris(still playing) and Moran Norris(should be playing, I don't know if he is or isn't). As well as players who just aren't good football players(Buchannon who is still playing) Walker, Wade, Bradford....... etc.

but every football team has some kind of turnover regardless what their record was.

Right now, TJ, Babin & Dunta are not playing up to their draft spots, but our biggest problem on Defense has been linebacker play, which we should have expected going into a 3-4, and our secondary coverage, with the exception of CCBrown, who'd have thunk it?? Sanders is playing better than expected, Dunta is not, and Earl is always late.....

I don't know what McCleon is doing out there, but Casserly didn't bring him in.

We've had a very tough schedule to date, and should be 0-6. We got Blown out, because of our mistakes, not because we are getting beat by the other team. that should be expected with a new headcoach. Just look at the redskins, with their new OC.

N.O. is doing very well..... & so is StLouis with their new headcoaches. But they've got a lot of probowlers, most notably behind center.

Even though Bulger hasn't been to the probowl, he's played like a probowler in recent years.