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How much differnet is Kubiak from Capers?? He promised a lot of changes, but has so far turned into a Capers clone in many ways:

1. He has one speciality, and the other is incredibly lacking (Capers couldn't coach offense, Kubiak can't coach the defense)

2. We see the same unimaginative playcalling week in and week out

3. Trying to committ to the run even if it isn't working

4. Going with a system rather than molding the system to his players

5. Lack of utilizing the TE in the passing game (the last 2 games)

6. Short dumpoffs and quick slants

7. Inability to make adjustments at half time

8. Playing to keep it close rather than to win.

I know its still early, but Kubes promised a lot in preseason, and we did well. Since the regular season, he has slowly morphed into Capers it would seem. What do you think?
 
How many times have you heard the comment we have to get the ball into David's hands. How David goes so goes the team. You know what? Kubiak is his own worst enemy.

Carr either can't develop or is not being allowed to develop. What you say? Yes, that is what I'm saying. I'm from the old school that says the QB is the leader on the field, the field general. As such he should be the one calling the plays. I'm not saying the coaching shouldn't have input, but in general the QB should be calling and listening to his players coming back to the huddle. When Carr did that on two occasions during the previous administration we were very successful. On the 1 yard line with a chance to open up the game, the ball should have been in Carr's hands to put maximum pressure on the defense. We had to trust his abilities at that point in the game. But Kubiak couldn't or wouldn't trust Carr.

All of the leadership and play calling appears to have been taken away from Carr. He can't even call audibles it appears. Coaches in the NFL have moved away from allowing the QB's to develop into signal callers and field Generals. The problem with that is the coaches don't have the on field reports. They don't see the game from the QB's prespective. The press box is not like being on the field. What appear to be right from the press box could be wrong when seen by the QB on the field. Let Carr sink or swim. A great coach is one who teaches his player how to play the game and lets him play the game. Its like being a parent. You can't be with your child every minute of the day.

Some of you would say Carr is no Payton Manning and I would agree with you right now. I would, however, say the following. Payton Manning is what he is because he was fortunate enough to be able to grow up in a nurturing environment. He was allowed to become the leader and play caller on the field. Obviously there were a number of factors, but the fact is he was allowed to win or loose on his own. When you make mistakes from your own play calling you learn what is best. Being spoon fed does not lead to an excellent decision maker or play caller. You never learn to make the critical decisions when help is not available. I could never understand a coaching staff yelling at a QB for not making the right decisions when they were never allowed to make decisions. Kubiak and Capers develop followers, not leaders.

As good as Brady is, he is also a follower. He does make some decisions - a lot more than Carr - but he is still a follower. He is not an indepent thinker on the field. He has to wait for the play call. Again, I have a prejudice and that is I want my QB to be a play caller. If he can't do the job, then I will find someone who can. But I know that is the only way I will have a leader on the field and that's what I need when the going gets rough and quick decisions have to be made. I don't want to have him wait for my decisions and I don't want delay penalties because they can't figure out what I called. I want a QB who can see something happening by the other team that allows him to catch them off guard by a quick decision. All of that happens when your QB is the decison maker.

I'm not saying Kubiak hasn't taught Carr a lot of things about the game. That's what Kubiak's job is to teach his QB how to play the game, but then he has to allow him to go play the game. He's there to point out during the course of the game what he is doing right or wrong and aid in decisions at critical parts of the game based on field input. The same is true for the defense. Leaders are developed because they learn to make decisions on the battle field.

Capers would not allow his players to make decisions except for Wong. In fact when we lost Wong, Capers was lost. He had no one to replace him on the field. Wong might be more important to this ball club than many think.

Kubiak uses the word "KID" far too often. These are not KIDS, but men or Young men. Yes, they need to be coached, but they are to be treated like men both from a mental and responsibility point of view. They are grown up, treat them like adults. Teach them to be decision makers, not followers. If you do that, you will have a great team.

When you say Kubiak is the same as Capers I agree in the above way. Capers never developed decision makers, Wong was a decision maker before he came here. The one person who became a decision maker under Capers was probably the one person we miss the most this year. That was DD. DD makes instance decisions and finds the holes or makes them whichever is necessary. We do not have a RB who has DD's capabilities, little lone, his ability to make decisions. In any event its time for the coaches and players to grow up. They need to trust each other. It is not a one way street.
 
How much differnet is Kubiak from Capers?? He promised a lot of changes, but has so far turned into a Capers clone in many ways:

1. He has one speciality, and the other is incredibly lacking (Capers couldn't coach offense, Kubiak can't coach the defense)

that's how it is with most coaches. kubiak knows this and adjusts accordingly ... he drafts defense first and trusts the coaches on that side of the ball while he works with his strengths. capers meddled in the offense and messed it up, while ignoring his strength.

2. We see the same unimaginative playcalling week in and week out

they're opening up the playbook at a snails' pace as i noted in another thread. i'm not sure the reason for this.

3. Trying to committ to the run even if it isn't working

this is the NFL, you dont win if you cant run. even with a 20 point lead and 40+ carries, arizona lost because they couldnt run the ball even with a great RB.

4. Going with a system rather than molding the system to his players

this is a good thing and proven to work for more than a decade with his former team. kubiak's coming into a very untallented team and it's going to take time to find these players that fit the system.

5. Lack of utilizing the TE in the passing game (the last 2 games)

not sure what happened here, i figured putz would be carr's favorite target before the season started.

6. Short dumpoffs and quick slants

bad pass protection. it's a little better, only because carr's getting rid of the ball so quickly

7. Inability to make adjustments at half time

i agree with this one too, but i'm going to go homer and blame it on being a rookie.

8. Playing to keep it close rather than to win.

you're still stuck on capers. the few times we've been close, kubiak's still throwing the ball and trying to create a balanced attack.

I know its still early, but Kubes promised a lot in preseason, and we did well. Since the regular season, he has slowly morphed into Capers it would seem. What do you think?
 
Hey what happened to our zone blocking that was causing teams defenses to shift to one side for the run and wokred well in setting up our bootlegs? I remember when we started using it during preseason, and seeing Sage run a beautiful bootleg because of it.

Also the TE's?...

I know somethings wrong but don't know what exactly is the problem.
 
My 2 cents:

Kubiak is a smart offensive coach, look what he's done with Carr in a very short time...I think his past record shows that.

Bottom line is: Kubiak inherited 4 yrs worth draft doodoo...Lost his 1000yrd rusher and now we have lost Payne...How can he possibly fix things this fast?
 
They are probably both similar because they are both coaches in the NFL. And if you look around you will see that alot of coaches share similar traits.

The difference between a winning coach and a losing coach..is that the winning coach is winning.

Im not gonna go into a long spiel about Kubiak..ill just point out that Kubiak has shown a willingness to bench, and cut, players that dont contribute. That is more than Capers did, and its a big thing.

In case ya hadnt noticed.. Kubiak considers us to be in a rebuilding stage.. and hes right to think that way.. we are still building talent on this team.

epiphany: Capers is gone because he knew his time was running thin..and he had to field a good team immediately.. so he threw guys out there that werent really all that good, and tried to force a square peg into a round hole. Kubiak has come in and cut away the fat that Capers was trying to pass off as sirloin, and now he is trying to continue building our talent base.

We may be in for a wait.. but its too early to call out Kubiak. Way too early.
 
Did everyone read the Chronicle article today? McNair and Smith said 2 different things about winning--

"Asked what he can do for the team in the offseason, Smith said: "We're not talking about the future. We're talking about right now. We're trying to do everything we can to win now. We're trying to win our next game against Jacksonville."

From McNair

"I want to win now, but I understand the situation. It takes time for a new coach and general manager to get the people they want in place. I know we're going to win. Hopefully, it's going to be sooner instead of later."

One says 'win right now,' the other says 'hopefully sooner than later.'

IMO, this team is not 'on the same' page right now. To win 'right now,' our best chance would have been to develope schemes that 'played' to our players strength, something Kubiak said he was going to do but has not. Instead, he's got a 'Heinz 57' team--some Green Bay, some Denver, and some 'who knows' and-caught in the middle-is a team full of players that have very little 'common' playing styles.

However, IMO, our biggest problem--aka Capers--has to do with 'philosophy.' What kind of team does Kubiak want? What's his plan to get that type of team? Initially, Gary expressed some good ideas about this but-somewhere and some how, he's gotten 'off track.' JMO, but the 'biggest' track jumping is abandoning the notion of starting by building a system (with a Denver flavor) around the current personnel. Then, as new players were added and others subtracted from the team, the system could be modified to take the upgraded personnel into account, eventually being the 'complete' team that Gary wants.

This gradual adding/subtracting of players-over time-would give the team the best oppurtunity to win/evolve/learn on the field now, until 'everything' was in place. That could've been next year, maybe the year after...but, now--who knows?

What happened?

Many posters think Kubiak has drastically changed the offense for the better, but that is simply not true. We've gained 26 more yds and scored 18 more pts than last year. The defense? It's worse-including giving up more points.

Carr has better numbers, which is a reflection of all the time Kubiak has spent with him-but-this could drastically change if he has too many more games like Sunday--128 yds/2ints/4.7 ypa/0 TDs.

A HC is in charge of the entire team, not just part of it like a coordinator. meaning he has no 'comfort zone' about assuming coaching outside his 'specialty' is being done effectively. IMO, this is especially true if you have new coaches--

Did Kubiak spend too much time with Carr? Our running game (supposedly a Kubiak strength) is a 'joke'-our OL is unsettled-we have a 'newbie' receiver coach-our Defense is a 'wreck.'.....

Like the saying goes, only time will tell. Under Capers, the team got better before it became worse--will this team get better under Kubiak?...or has the damage already been done?:hmmm: :dontknowa
 
gtexan02 said:
How much differnet is Kubiak from Capers?? He promised a lot of changes, but has so far turned into a Capers clone in many ways:

1. He has one speciality, and the other is incredibly lacking (Capers couldn't coach offense, Kubiak can't coach the defense)

2. We see the same unimaginative playcalling week in and week out

3. Trying to committ to the run even if it isn't working

4. Going with a system rather than molding the system to his players

5. Lack of utilizing the TE in the passing game (the last 2 games)

6. Short dumpoffs and quick slants

7. Inability to make adjustments at half time

8. Playing to keep it close rather than to win.

I know its still early, but Kubes promised a lot in preseason, and we did well. Since the regular season, he has slowly morphed into Capers it would seem. What do you think?
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We watched Capers for 4 seasons, we've seen Kubiak for 5 games, I am going to give him a little more time than that before I start comparing him to Capers.
 
Gtexan..... in which game did we try to commit to the run, even though the run wasn't working?? Try to help me understand what you consider commiting to the run?? I don't think we've shown any semblance of a commitment to running the football.

Arizona last night, 32 carries, that's a commitment to the run. 32 carries for 54 yards, that's a commitment though it isn't working.

KC this past Sunday,


Ibar...... how old are you??
 
sleepwalker said:
My 2 cents:

Kubiak is a smart offensive coach, look what he's done with Carr in a very short time...I think his past record shows that.

Bottom line is: Kubiak inherited 4 yrs worth draft doodoo...Lost his 1000yrd rusher and now we have lost Payne...How can he possibly fix things this fast?
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This is exactly correct. It is one thing to be impatient (totally understandable for what the franchise has went through) but to expect a total turn-around in just five games? My God, give the guy a chance. A coach needs at least three years to get the right players for their system.

This year we go 4-12 or 5-11. Next year we get six, maybe even seven wins. That third year is where he shows if he is the right coach or not by making a run at the playoffs. Again, it has only been a handful of games and he still has a lot of players on the team that will not be here a couple of years from now. This is a project, not a "quick fix".
 
KevinWalter was on the radio yesterday, talking about his experience in Cincinatti. The team had gone 2-14, then he goes to the team(from NewYork), MarvinLewis' first year as head coach, and they go 8-8. the following year, they are one game from the Superbowl.

he also mentioned they started the 2004 season 1-4, and finished 7-4 the rest of that year.
 
Read this and tell me why you think Kubiak should be blamed for the way things have gone so far.

The problem with this team, the core problem, is they simply don't have the talent. Horrible decisions from the Capers era have been thrown into Kubiak's lap.
 
tsip said:
Did everyone read the Chronicle article today? McNair and Smith said 2 different things about winning--

"Asked what he can do for the team in the offseason, Smith said: "We're not talking about the future. We're talking about right now. We're trying to do everything we can to win now. We're trying to win our next game against Jacksonville."

From McNair

"I want to win now, but I understand the situation. It takes time for a new coach and general manager to get the people they want in place. I know we're going to win. Hopefully, it's going to be sooner instead of later."

One says 'win right now,' the other says 'hopefully sooner than later.'
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IMO these are not neccesarily opposites A coach should plan to win every single match, but at the same time look further ahead, plan the teams future. Only a mix of both plans will produce a successful team, not one or the other.
 
He is off to a very poor start, and with his team getting blown out in all but
one of their first 5 games including the Cowboys game who many fans (for whatever reasons ?), have pointed to for 4 years, the negativety is very thick
right now. But we have to be patient and give him more time before we rush to judgements, conclusions, etc. about his potential. I know its not easy, this being the 5th year and all for the Texans.
 
Thanks Capers:

Houston Chronicle said:
Here are just a few of the players the Texans could have selected rather than Gaffney: running backs Clinton Portis and Brian Westbrook; receivers Deion Branch, David Givens and Antwaan Randle El; and safety Michael Lewis.
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In many ways he is different. Much like a surgeon using a different technique and being more proactive to help find a cure. After the surgery there is a rehab period, which we all know how much that stinks and is currently what we are going through.
 
Marcus said:
Read this and tell me why you think Kubiak should be blamed for the way things have gone so far.

The problem with this team, the core problem, is they simply don't have the talent. Horrible decisions from the Capers era have been thrown into Kubiak's lap.
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Yep what he said. The guy just got the mop out. It's a big poopie the last regime left behind. Give him a chance to clean it up.
want instant grtifacation ? Buy a dog. I have evey confidence that he can get this thing turned around. TBS, I am very troubled with this theme of the players we are picking up this year having to pass the coach sniff. Does this mean are scouts suck ? I thought they did pretty well last draft. I believe you go with what you know. I also belive familliarity breeds contempt. This is what got Capers into trouble. Casserly did what he was told to do. Kubiak is walking the same path. My advise, let the scouts judge the tallent. That's what they are there for.
 
I one for one would really like to know what some of you people expected this season?

Seriously, did some of you people really think that by going 3-1 in the preseason that this was going to be a much better team this year?

Casserly and Capers were given way to long a grace period in deveolpoing this team. They got some good vetern players in the expansion draft, and with some good first round picks (Carr, Johnson, Robinson) were able to be competative in their 3rd year (7-9). The problem started when the veteren players started getting hurt, or were cut. Then the truth about the lousy drafts (Middle round picks, except for Domanick Davis) and poor personel decisions came to light, which is what happened last year.

My point is, Kubiak has to be given at least 2 to 3 years if not more before making a valid judgement on if he's the right man for the job. Right now it's painful because they are having to get rid of the junk that was here. I understand, because it stings to see high draft picks being cut, but it's neccessary. Give Kubiak 2 or 3 years worth of drafts, free agents and coaching before showing him the door.
 
Marcus said:
Read this and tell me why you think Kubiak should be blamed for the way things have gone so far.

The problem with this team, the core problem, is they simply don't have the talent. Horrible decisions from the Capers era have been thrown into Kubiak's lap.
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Exactly. You can't make a good wedding cake out of dog poo.

I guess the "Fire Kubiak Club" will start soon for some folks.
 
gtexan02 said:
How much differnet is Kubiak from Capers?? He promised a lot of changes, but has so far turned into a Capers clone in many ways:

1. He has one speciality, and the other is incredibly lacking (Capers couldn't coach offense, Kubiak can't coach the defense)

2. We see the same unimaginative playcalling week in and week out

3. Trying to committ to the run even if it isn't working

4. Going with a system rather than molding the system to his players

5. Lack of utilizing the TE in the passing game (the last 2 games)

6. Short dumpoffs and quick slants

7. Inability to make adjustments at half time

8. Playing to keep it close rather than to win.

I know its still early, but Kubes promised a lot in preseason, and we did well. Since the regular season, he has slowly morphed into Capers it would seem. What do you think?
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Your overreacting. Big time.

The play calling is COMPETELY DIFFERENT. So different that I question if you are even watching the games. I don't even understand why you wrote that.

The reality of the situation is that Kubiak recieved one of the least talented (if not the very least talented) group of guys in the NFL.

The losing is make them seem similar. But they are very different...Offense with the exception of last game is taking shots down field and the Defense is actually blitzing.

This roster needs to be cleansed. No one wants to hear it but it is going to take time for Kubiak to get the casserly and capers guys off the roster and get his own guys in.

Injuries aren't helping.
 
Scooter said:
How much differnet is Kubiak from Capers?? He promised a lot of changes, but has so far turned into a Capers clone in many ways:

1. He has one speciality, and the other is incredibly lacking (Capers couldn't coach offense, Kubiak can't coach the defense)

that's how it is with most coaches. kubiak knows this and adjusts accordingly ... he drafts defense first and trusts the coaches on that side of the ball while he works with his strengths. capers meddled in the offense and messed it up, while ignoring his strength.

2. We see the same unimaginative playcalling week in and week out

they're opening up the playbook at a snails' pace as i noted in another thread. i'm not sure the reason for this.

3. Trying to committ to the run even if it isn't working

this is the NFL, you dont win if you cant run. even with a 20 point lead and 40+ carries, arizona lost because they couldnt run the ball even with a great RB.

4. Going with a system rather than molding the system to his players

this is a good thing and proven to work for more than a decade with his former team. kubiak's coming into a very untallented team and it's going to take time to find these players that fit the system.

5. Lack of utilizing the TE in the passing game (the last 2 games)

not sure what happened here, i figured putz would be carr's favorite target before the season started.

6. Short dumpoffs and quick slants

bad pass protection. it's a little better, only because carr's getting rid of the ball so quickly

7. Inability to make adjustments at half time

i agree with this one too, but i'm going to go homer and blame it on being a rookie.

8. Playing to keep it close rather than to win.

you're still stuck on capers. the few times we've been close, kubiak's still throwing the ball and trying to create a balanced attack.

I know its still early, but Kubes promised a lot in preseason, and we did well. Since the regular season, he has slowly morphed into Capers it would seem. What do you think?
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I must agree with most of your rebuttal. The sytem is a proven winner in this league. Carr is playing way better this year and as he gets the new sytem it will be fun to watch him work.

Problems: Offensive line has no depth we get a couple of injuries and we are back to last years problems. Protection, protection, protection.
Running game is still a big issue. but if the line improves so will the running game. If you have read any of my older posts I have been a big promoter of shoring up the O line. D'brickshaw Fergusen would look good on the left side of our O- line.
 
"The play calling is COMPETELY DIFFERENT. So different that I question if you are even watching the games. I don't even understand why you wrote that."

Ok, how is it completely different?
 
Ibar_Harry said:
How many times have you heard the comment we have to get the ball into David's hands. How David goes so goes the team. You know what? Kubiak is his own worst enemy.

Carr either can't develop or is not being allowed to develop. What you say? Yes, that is what I'm saying. I'm from the old school that says the QB is the leader on the field, the field general. As such he should be the one calling the plays. I'm not saying the coaching shouldn't have input, but in general the QB should be calling and listening to his players coming back to the huddle. When Carr did that on two occasions during the previous administration we were very successful. On the 1 yard line with a chance to open up the game, the ball should have been in Carr's hands to put maximum pressure on the defense. We had to trust his abilities at that point in the game. But Kubiak couldn't or wouldn't trust Carr.

All of the leadership and play calling appears to have been taken away from Carr. He can't even call audibles it appears. Coaches in the NFL have moved away from allowing the QB's to develop into signal callers and field Generals. The problem with that is the coaches don't have the on field reports. They don't see the game from the QB's prespective. The press box is not like being on the field. What appear to be right from the press box could be wrong when seen by the QB on the field. Let Carr sink or swim. A great coach is one who teaches his player how to play the game and lets him play the game. Its like being a parent. You can't be with your child every minute of the day.

Some of you would say Carr is no Payton Manning and I would agree with you right now. I would, however, say the following. Payton Manning is what he is because he was fortunate enough to be able to grow up in a nurturing environment. He was allowed to become the leader and play caller on the field. Obviously there were a number of factors, but the fact is he was allowed to win or loose on his own. When you make mistakes from your own play calling you learn what is best. Being spoon fed does not lead to an excellent decision maker or play caller. You never learn to make the critical decisions when help is not available. I could never understand a coaching staff yelling at a QB for not making the right decisions when they were never allowed to make decisions. Kubiak and Capers develop followers, not leaders.

As good as Brady is, he is also a follower. He does make some decisions - a lot more than Carr - but he is still a follower. He is not an indepent thinker on the field. He has to wait for the play call. Again, I have a prejudice and that is I want my QB to be a play caller. If he can't do the job, then I will find someone who can. But I know that is the only way I will have a leader on the field and that's what I need when the going gets rough and quick decisions have to be made. I don't want to have him wait for my decisions and I don't want delay penalties because they can't figure out what I called. I want a QB who can see something happening by the other team that allows him to catch them off guard by a quick decision. All of that happens when your QB is the decison maker.

I'm not saying Kubiak hasn't taught Carr a lot of things about the game. That's what Kubiak's job is to teach his QB how to play the game, but then he has to allow him to go play the game. He's there to point out during the course of the game what he is doing right or wrong and aid in decisions at critical parts of the game based on field input. The same is true for the defense. Leaders are developed because they learn to make decisions on the battle field.

Capers would not allow his players to make decisions except for Wong. In fact when we lost Wong, Capers was lost. He had no one to replace him on the field. Wong might be more important to this ball club than many think.

Kubiak uses the word "KID" far too often. These are not KIDS, but men or Young men. Yes, they need to be coached, but they are to be treated like men both from a mental and responsibility point of view. They are grown up, treat them like adults. Teach them to be decision makers, not followers. If you do that, you will have a great team.

When you say Kubiak is the same as Capers I agree in the above way. Capers never developed decision makers, Wong was a decision maker before he came here. The one person who became a decision maker under Capers was probably the one person we miss the most this year. That was DD. DD makes instance decisions and finds the holes or makes them whichever is necessary. We do not have a RB who has DD's capabilities, little lone, his ability to make decisions. In any event its time for the coaches and players to grow up. They need to trust each other. It is not a one way street.
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Ibar. I know you like Carr. A lot. I think he can play, and I've seen improvement in his play this season (particularly in not taking unncessary sacks). But, your post is causing me mental distress because it is so off the mark. I have bolded the areas that are particularly damaging to the brain, tho just because I haven't bolded something, doesn't mean I agree with it--it just means it is normal strange instead of from the planet Bizarro or something.

The Texans ran the ball only 14 times last game. It just seemed like more because the runs were so terrible they cause post traumatic stress symptoms.

You want Carr to be in charge of calling the plays because he did it last year successfully? If you listen to his interview about that, he says they did that because the cobbled together playbook between the Pendry and Palmer stuff was so confusing that Pendry just threw up his hands and said you call it.

QBs and other offensive players do tell their coaches what is happening on the field.

Kubiak is going to give Carr as much responsibility has he believes Carr has earned. Last week was a regression. Kubiak is not just developing Carr, he is working with an entire team, and he has to find ways to make the entire team better. At this point, I see more improvement in Carr than with just about any other aspect of the team.
 
Not being able to run the ball is not helping the playcalling.

The bootlegs don't work well. So they can't be a part of things.

As for the TEs v. WRs that is part of a match up thing. When they believe they have better matchups at the corners, they will use the WRs more than in some other games.

In a Denver system, you will have some fat TE stat games and some fat WR games--it really depends on the matchups that week because the offense is designed to attack mismatches. Carr after the Miami game said that the WR focus for that game was intentional.

Usually, Denver goes downfield after the underneath stuff has been working well. In the Cowboy game, that was hard to do for the Texans because of the way they were being covered and the fact that the weather conditions were ungood.

They need the consistent, unspectacular yards from the running game and they are not getting them. Typically, a ZBS avoids stuffs, but when you are getting stuffed a lot, you get into bad yardage situations.

The biggest difference between Capers ball and Kubiak, is that there are more available targets to throw to, and Kubiak is not doing max protect. Kubiak has been fairly conservative, but the team has given him little reason to earn his trust.

As for Putzier v. Daniels, the knock on Putzier coming outta Denver is that he could catch but couldn't block well. Daniels can do both. With an offensive line that isn't the most talented in the world, that matters. Putzier hasn't been a total loss because he has helped teach what the players need to do in the lockeroom.
 
Texans_Chick said:
Not being able to run the ball is not helping the playcalling.

The bootlegs don't work well. So they can't be a part of things.

As for the TEs v. WRs that is part of a match up thing. When they believe they have better matchups at the corners, they will use the WRs more than in some other games.

In a Denver system, you will have some fat TE stat games and some fat WR games--it really depends on the matchups that week because the offense is designed to attack mismatches. Carr after the Miami game said that the WR focus for that game was intentional.

Usually, Denver goes downfield after the underneath stuff has been working well. In the Cowboy game, that was hard to do for the Texans because of the way they were being covered and the fact that the weather conditions were ungood.

They need the consistent, unspectacular yards from the running game and they are not getting them. Typically, a ZBS avoids stuffs, but when you are getting stuffed a lot, you get into bad yardage situations.

The biggest difference between Capers ball and Kubiak, is that there are more available targets to throw to, and Kubiak is not doing max protect. Kubiak has been fairly conservative, but the team has given him little reason to earn his trust.

As for Putzier v. Daniels, the knock on Putzier coming outta Denver is that he could catch but couldn't block well. Daniels can do both. With an offensive line that isn't the most talented in the world, that matters. Putzier hasn't been a total loss because he has helped teach what the players need to do in the lockeroom.
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Teams watch video and take away your strength....that is why you have to be good at more than one thing in the NFL...you can get away with being one dimensional in College or HS ball but not in the NFL. That's one reason the waggle and those short TE passes haven't been productive the last few games. Teams also cheat up on the run knowing we can't beat them vertically. Until we do I don't think we will be able to run well (consistantly that is). Its probably one of those chicken and egg things.
 
The success or failure of Kubiaks rookie season, and more importantly fan morale going into the upcoming off season boils down to the teams performance in the last 4 or 5 games of the season. In that stretch is VYs first visit to Houston as a pro, a game at Oakland, and 2 more home games against the Colts and Browns.
If the team could finish strong it would be oh so important going into 2007.
If somehow, someway Kubiak could get a victory orver the Colts here in Reliant, that would be huge !
We're all feeling down right now after the nasty experience in N.Texas over the weekend, but it really is a long season. One that could seem longer than it already does, or one that could still finish strong and give us all hope and expectations for the future.
 
Chick - I just get the overwhelming sense that Kubiak is too inexperienced to know what to do as a head coach. First, there were many revealing comments that indicate that Kubes really didn't understand Richard Smith's defense. Maybe he was just throwing Smith under the bus, but it seemed he had little or no knowledge or say in what we were doing defensively. I take strong issue with the head coach not taking responsibility for the direction of the defense from the start. Then, he's now got a coach on the offensive side - Sherman - who is clearly trying to do things with the OL that are not consistent with Kubes' scheme. Is Kubes really in charge of the OL?

This was a very tough first HC job to take for someone completely unprepared. I really wonder if going with a guy like Reeves would have at least allowed the team to rebuild from the Capers/Casserly disaster. To me, we are now heading forward without any clear direction. Not only that, our GM is somewhat beholden to our coach in that he got him the job. All of this lack of direction likely will just deepen negative issues if you think about it. Players like Seth Wand get run off because they don't fit the scheme (a scheme we don't seem to be fully employing). Who next? Other guys who have come here to win become more hardened and bitter - particularly if they are not inspired by the coaching staff or see positive directional change. Do you really think Dre re-signs with this team if Kubes doesn't lead it somewhere?

I have to say, the Team's play in the first 6 games - where we were completely not competitive in 5 of those games - does not suggest a team that is rebuilding on a positive path. Most NFL teams have only 3 or 4 games at the most each year of this sort. This is more suggestive of further entrenching a losing mentality and image into this organization. Not ready to say we are dead, but I would much rather have somebody with experience holding the strings at this point. As it is, we have a coach with alot of admitted uncertainly who has been given a great deal of control.
 
Caphorn said:
Chick - I just get the overwhelming sense that Kubiak is too inexperienced to know what to do as a head coach. First, there were many revealing comments that indicate that Kubes really didn't understand Richard Smith's defense. Maybe he was just throwing Smith under the bus, but it seemed he had little or no knowledge or say in what we were doing defensively. I take strong issue with the head coach not taking responsibility for the direction of the defense from the start. Then, he's now got a coach on the offensive side - Sherman - who is clearly trying to do things with the OL that are not consistent with Kubes' scheme. Is Kubes really in charge of the OL?

This was a very tough first HC job to take for someone completely unprepared. I really wonder if going with a guy like Reeves would have at least allowed the team to rebuild from the Capers/Casserly disaster. To me, we are now heading forward without any clear direction. Not only that, our GM is somewhat beholden to our coach in that he got him the job. All of this lack of direction likely will just deepen negative issues if you think about it. Players like Seth Wand get run off because they don't fit the scheme (a scheme we don't seem to be fully employing). Who next? Other guys who have come here to win become more hardened and bitter - particularly if they are not inspired by the coaching staff or see positive directional change. Do you really think Dre re-signs with this team if Kubes doesn't lead it somewhere?

I have to say, the Team's play in the first 6 games - where we were completely not competitive in 5 of those games - does not suggest a team that is rebuilding on a positive path. Most NFL teams have only 3 or 4 games at the most each year of this sort. This is more suggestive of further entrenching a losing mentality and image into this organization. Not ready to say we are dead, but I would much rather have somebody with experience holding the strings at this point. As it is, we have a coach with alot of admitted uncertainly who has been given a great deal of control.
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1. What comments are you talking about as it relates to Richard Smith? This is news to me.

2. Completely unprepared? Out of all the candidates out there that would be interested in a coach killing job like the Texans, I am happy with who we got.

3. The blowout losses are disturbing. This is what happens when you don't take care of the football, especially when you are facing good teams. It is not likely to get easier this weekend.
 
Texans_Chick said:
3. The blowout losses are disturbing. This is what happens when you don't take care of the football, especially when you are facing good teams. It is not likely to get easier this weekend.
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The Cowboy game was tight till we just gave them the ball in our side of the field...then we seemed to just fall apart from there....kinda like the Cards did vs another good team on MNF the other day. Bad teams tend to do the same things over and over that make them bad teams.
 
Vinny said:
The Cowboy game was tight till we just gave them the ball in our side of the field...then we seemed to just fall apart from there....kinda like the Cards did vs another good team on MNF the other day. Bad teams tend to do the same things over and over that make them bad teams.
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:twocents: the Cards did not fall apart Monday night. Urlacher and Co. proved why Denver has the #1 defense in the NFL. They refused to lose!!! The Cards played hard until the end. Blame the loss on Rackers if you want too, but not on the team as a whole. Two missed FGs=a loss!!
 
Didn't the Cards have multiple turnovers and break down in the return game? I'd call that falling apart in the second half.
 
Texans_Chick said:
1. What comments are you talking about as it relates to Richard Smith? This is news to me.

2. Completely unprepared? Out of all the candidates out there that would be interested in a coach killing job like the Texans, I am happy with who we got.

3. The blowout losses are disturbing. This is what happens when you don't take care of the football, especially when you are facing good teams. It is not likely to get easier this weekend.
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I am biased in that I never liked the Kubiak hire. Not because he was an aggy, but I felt pretty strongly that the real show was run by Shanahan in Denver. To me, reading your blog story is just more confirmation that it was Shanahan's system - and maybe Kubes isn't that good at recreating it - especially the critically important blocking schemes.

As for your counter-points:

1. Not meaning to be too harsh, but after the Washington debacle, I thought Kubes made clear that coaching the D was Richard Smith's job. Saying he was defending his coach is different from what he did which was to make clear this was Richard's baby, not his. How bout this quote: "I spent a lot of time with Richard and the defense today," he said. "My message is what can I do to help? I have to be there any way I can to help them get better. If it's finding a player or helping them with the scheme, I've got to do what I can so they can be effective." I know there are other quotes where he made clear that he hasn't spent much time with the defense. That doesn't sound like a coach who's on top of his defense and directing the show. He really refers to this is "their" defense quite often.

2. Unprepared is kind of a judgment call. I can accept that you might still think he was the best candidate. I always thought his position as OC at Denver was really and Assistant OC. I don't recall the offense ever being put on his shoulders. That's a different ball of wax from what he ran into with Shanahan. I think he should have had his own OC gig before he was moved up the ladder.

3. The blowout losses show a lack of competitiveness that goes beyond just making mistakes IMO. Turnovers are part of the game. Good teams don't turn the ball over so much. Frankly, this team didn't hand the ball over the Dallas -- it was dominated by a far superior opponent. The second half was as ugly an example of utter domination as I've seen in awhile.
 
IMO, the Cards became interested in not losing the game in the second half rather than winning the game. Whole different mind set regarding not making mistakes that almost invariably winds up causing mistakes. If they would have kept calling the type of plays that they were in the first half, they very likely would have one. Kind of like the prevent defense a prevent offense.....IMO, just prevents winning.
 
edo783 said:
IMO, the Cards became interested in not losing the game in the second half rather than winning the game. Whole different mind set regarding not making mistakes that almost invariably winds up causing mistakes. If they would have kept calling the type of plays that they were in the first half, they very likely would have one. Kind of like the prevent defense a prevent offense.....IMO, just prevents winning.
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Maybe the coaches didn't want to make their players feel bad if they were aggressive and failed. They may have some fragile egos on that perennial loser. :)
 
edo783 said:
IMO, the Cards became interested in not losing the game in the second half rather than winning the game. Whole different mind set regarding not making mistakes that almost invariably winds up causing mistakes. If they would have kept calling the type of plays that they were in the first half, they very likely would have one. Kind of like the prevent defense a prevent offense.....IMO, just prevents winning.
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If they don't turn the ball over and don't fall asleep on special teams they win that game.
 
Vinny said:
The Cowboy game was tight till we just gave them the ball in our side of the field...then we seemed to just fall apart from there....kinda like the Cards did vs another good team on MNF the other day. Bad teams tend to do the same things over and over that make them bad teams.
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Philly, Washington, & Miami were good games up till the half. Miami we pulled ahead and won, Philly..... we lost by two touchdowns... which is bad, considering we didn't score in the second half.

Had we come out in the second half against Washington, and not gone 3 & out, that would've been a much different game as well.
 
"In case ya hadnt noticed.. Kubiak considers us to be in a rebuilding stage.. and hes right to think that way.. we are still building talent on this team."

Last year, when myself and others mentioned 'rebuilding', we were given the :homer: 's 'burning at the stake.' Those posters insisted we just needed a 'tweak' here and there--with most of the same players under Kubiak-and we' d be on our way to winning and the playoffs, probably this year....

Wow, what a difference a year makes!! Now, the :homer: 's say 'rebuilding.' And, like last year, I agree.

If you want, I'll round up some of those posts.

Grid, I don't know where you stood last year on 'rebuilding'--just picked your post because you mention it this year.:cool:
 
SheTexan said:
Urlacher and Co. proved why Denver has the #1 defense in the NFL.
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Denver has the no. 1 defense in the NFL? :confused: ;)

Caphorn said:
2. Unprepared is kind of a judgment call. I can accept that you might still think he was the best candidate. I always thought his position as OC at Denver was really and Assistant OC. I don't recall the offense ever being put on his shoulders. That's a different ball of wax from what he ran into with Shanahan. I think he should have had his own OC gig before he was moved up the ladder.
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Wrong.

Article November 11 said:
Early in the week, Spurrier resorted to asking advice from another head coach, Denver Broncos’ Mike Shanahan. Spurrier, portrayed by many as arrogant when it comes to his offense, wanted to know how Shanahan handled play-calling duties with Broncos’ offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak.

When Shanahan told Spurrier that the Broncos immediately won two Super Bowls when Kubiak took over calling plays, the second-year Redskins’ coach didn’t need any more convincing.
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LMAO, this is classic...now we won't even give Kubiak a chance? This is why i can't take Houston sports fans serious anymore....It's gotten really stupid.


I understand the frustration. Trust me, I'm just as upset about they way we've played in the 4 games we've lost. But, to 2nd guess the hire of Kubiak is borderline crazy.

*waits for after the Jaguars loss to the Texans how attitudes change around here*
 
tsip said:
Last year, when myself and others mentioned 'rebuilding', we were given the :homer: 's 'burning at the stake.' Those posters insisted we just needed a 'tweak' here and there--with most of the same players under Kubiak-and we' d be on our way to winning and the playoffs, probably this year....

Wow, what a difference a year makes!! Now, the :homer: 's say 'rebuilding.' And, like last year, I agree.
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to be fair, we said with the moves we made in the offseason, we were just re-tooling. We kept our core player, and only added a few in FA. Then a few more in the draft.......

When we started loosing players in the preseason, and more due to injury, and whatnot..... we've lost too many starters to not call it rebuilding.
 
I'm not saying that Kubiak should not be given a chance. But I also am not willing to just assume he's a good hire because he worked for winning organization and is a hometown boy or because Bob McNair and Charley Casserly thought he was a good hire. That smacks of homerism - particularly given the early results. In other words, it better change fast or his leash should be short. In my judgment, you don't get regularly embarassed if you are worth your salt as a coach, so this better end fast.

Now lets put this back on the fans that support Kubes no matter what - what improvement have you seen in the team to date with Kubes in charge? About the only improvement I see is with David. That's a big improvement, but that just shows me he is a good QB coach. I already pretty much knew that. Otherwise, I see a team very willing to capitulate and fall apart when things don't go there way. Not what I was hoping for and you can't throw 100% of this at the players.
 
Double Barrell - it was always Shanahan/Kubiak sharing responsibility for the offense (albeit Kubes was calling plays). There's alot more to being an OC than just calling plays though. Kubiak has never been asked to institute a system elsewhere or bring his system to another team. He basically learned the system from Shanahan and filled a role for him. There are also articles talking about how the important part of that scheme - the zone blocking aspect - fell to Shanahan and another assistant. Not Kubiak. Cite me to sources showing me I am wrong about that.
 
In August I would have taken a 5 win season, if the team played well. We had new players at many positions. New management at almost every area. A rookie @ DE and another @ MLB, two of the most important positions. Starting free safety is in his 2nd year. A rookie started @ TE & another @ running back. Still another at left tackle if only for a short time. If seven games from now we have 5 wins, good enough. I do want to see much better play from all individuals. IMO, only Demeco grades out @ A+.
 
Kubes does need more time. I think he is a good hire. As a Texan fan and a football fan in general, it does get frustrating to watch this team play. Capers has ruined Carr. Yes, he is playing better, but he is in his 5th year!!! When i look at Matt Leinart, Rivers, Rothlesburger, E. Manning, and even VY, they have all this swagger and confidence i wish we had in a QB. They may have a better team around them, but you can see the difference in the way they look, on the field and on the side lines. Carr looks like a deer in headlights. All this because he has been running and on the turf his whole 4 year carreer because of who the coaching staff put on the line.

I agree with everyone that we need 3 years with Kubiak. In 3 years, this will be a totally different team, including possibly the QB. If the team is still losing, then we need to talk about firing Kubiak. Not now!!!
 
Every game I've watched (3 of them in person) this year has given me an odd sense of deja vu. And I wouldn't have expected that from two head coaches whose fortes are on opposite sides of the ball.

I can't believe both coaches react to the cover 2 in the same way. I can't believe that neither coach believes in the power of chucking the ball deep down the field a couple of times a game.

I also don't think that going Chainsaw Al on this team was the best move either. It seems like there were lots of cuts made without upgrades at the same position. It also seems like there's a lot of dead money left over. And the body count keeps rising even though we're in Week 7.

I don't know. It just doesn't feel like this team is going anywhere. I'm getting a little restless.
 
gtexan02 said:
How much differnet is Kubiak from Capers?? He promised a lot of changes, but has so far turned into a Capers clone in many ways:

1. He has one speciality, and the other is incredibly lacking (Capers couldn't coach offense, Kubiak can't coach the defense)

2. We see the same unimaginative playcalling week in and week out

3. Trying to committ to the run even if it isn't working

4. Going with a system rather than molding the system to his players

5. Lack of utilizing the TE in the passing game (the last 2 games)

6. Short dumpoffs and quick slants

7. Inability to make adjustments at half time

8. Playing to keep it close rather than to win.

I know its still early, but Kubes promised a lot in preseason, and we did well. Since the regular season, he has slowly morphed into Capers it would seem. What do you think?
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WHAT DO I THINK.....I think we got a bunch of babies need wet nursing or a sugar teat...we want to win NOW!!! not next year we don't care if you build us a team that lasts for next 5 years like New England Patriots Mr. Kubiak, we will hold our breath until we turn blue and roll on floor throwing a tantrum because you didn't wave your magic wand and make us.......WIN RIGHT NOW!!!

EXCUSE ME, got to go throw up at childish immaturity of a generation raised on fast food and I want it now ME ME ME
 
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