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Adrian Peterson scenarios, interesting!

David's Busted Carr

David's Busted Carr

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The end of this season could be deja vu for the Texans!

Week 17 we play Cleveland! A game which could be labeled "The Adrian Peterson" bowl.

Look at the BAD right now and who needs a RB:

Oakland (0-5)? NO - Lamont Jordan
Tampa Bay(1-4)? NO - Cadillac Williams
Detroit(1-5)? NO - Kevin Jones
Miami(1-5)? NO - Ronnie Brown
Buffalo(2-4)? NO - Willis McGahee

Green Bay(1-4)? YES
Cleveland(1-4)? YES
Tennessee(1-5)? YES, and Bud Adams would LOVE to stick it to us again
Houston(1-4)? ABSOLUTELY!!!

So if you are cheering for the Texans to get Peterson you better hope we finish worse than the Pack, Browns, & Titans or he's GONE.

I think GB will win at least 4-5 games this year.

So it comes down to Houston, Tennessee, and Cleveland.

So depending on how we fare with Tennessee this year, it could very well come down to that final game just like it did last year!

WOW, would that be ironic!
 
Don't think that as much as Bud would love to stick it to us, I don't see them taking a RB. They already have Henry, White and Brown under contract, that is a lot of money in the RB position. Plus they need a WR for Vince to throw to.:twocents:
 
Vinny said:
hey, lets draft an injury prone rb with our top pick and give him 60 mil!
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Yeah, you're right. Lets just keeping picking up everyone else's FAT TURD leftovers so they can run for 14 yards per game.

And a fluke collar bone injury does not make someone injury prone. The guy has never had a serious leg injury in his career and that is what matters for RBs.
 
David's Busted Carr said:
Yeah, you're right. Lets just keeping picking up everyone else's FAT TURD leftovers so they can run for 14 yards per game.
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Or we could not try to hit the home run 6th rounder without moving all the way up to tremendously overpaid top 5 pick and look for someone like Maurice Drew or Jerius Norwood in the upcoming draft.
 
David's Busted Carr said:
Yeah, you're right. Lets just keeping picking up everyone else's FAT TURD leftovers so they can run for 14 yards per game.

And a fluke collar bone injury does not make someone injury prone. The guy has never had a serious leg injury in his career and that is what matters for RBs.
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He's been injured the last two seasons at oklahoma. What would a grueling 16 game schedule do to him? I see him slipping in the draft.
 
David's Busted Carr said:
Yeah, you're right. Lets just keeping picking up everyone else's FAT TURD leftovers so they can run for 14 yards per game.

And a fluke collar bone injury does not make someone injury prone. The guy has never had a serious leg injury in his career and that is what matters for RBs.
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he has been banged up since his freshman year
 
David's Busted Carr said:
Yeah, you're right. Lets just keeping picking up everyone else's FAT TURD leftovers so they can run for 14 yards per game.

And a fluke collar bone injury does not make someone injury prone. The guy has never had a serious leg injury in his career and that is what matters for RBs.
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you don't need to be an extremist....there are 7 rounds and you can find a starting rb in the 2nd thru 4th rounds...historically thats where most of the backs are taken since rb is such high turnover position. Peterson has had injuries every year....he's just an injury waiting to happen.
 
infantrycak said:
Or we could not try to hit the home run 6th rounder without moving all the way up to tremendously overpaid top 5 pick and look for someone like Maurice Drew or Jerius Norwood in the upcoming draft.
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LOL, yeah! With the Texans track record for draft picks, I'm sure they will find the next Terrell Davis in the 6th round!

They can't even get a first round pick right...


LMAO, that was classic.
 
David's Busted Carr said:
LOL, yeah! With the Texans track record for draft picks, I'm sure they will find the next Terrell Davis in the 6th round!

They can't even get a first round pick right...


LMAO, that was classic.
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Pull your head out--that is exactly the opposite of what I was saying. Look at the examples I gave--a 2nd rounder and a 3rd rounder--1st day picks. Heck even bottom half of the 1st is fine but sadly that will be a trade up scenario for the Texans.
 
I love AP, much in same fashion most were and are gaga over Bush. I just cannot fathom spending a top 5 pick on him when we still have Carr and AJ's contracts to contend with. Trade down, draft OL, LB or Secondary with the first.
 
I think we should go with a defensive player in the first and get a 2nd round RB.

Tell me what other RB is better than Peterson at this time though?
 
I am sticking with my guns and going against you guys.

A Running Back needs to be picked up with out FIRST pick in the FIRST round. We have stalled around way to long trying and trying to find someone late and it hasn't worked yet. Let's quit the crap and grab the best RB available with out first pick and be done with it...

As of todate, does anyone know how many picks we have used in 4 years of drafting looking for that late bloomer in the dang draft already?
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
I am sticking with my guns and going against you guys.

A Running Back needs to be picked up with out FIRST pick in the FIRST round. We have stalled around way to long trying and trying to find someone late and it hasn't worked yet. Let's quit the crap and grab the best RB available with out first pick and be done with it...

As of todate, does anyone know how many picks we have used in 4 years of drafting looking for that late bloomer in the dang draft already?
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Was DeMeco a gamble on a late pick? No. There are rounds in between 1 and 7. Really, my objection ends at about pick #12 or so. Above that--a RB better be spotless and above 5 or so would actually have to be Barry Sanders, not just get compared to him. A RB who is very impressive when healthy but has only played 6 games in two of three college seasons is not spotless.
 
infantrycak said:
Or we could not try to hit the home run 6th rounder without moving all the way up to tremendously overpaid top 5 pick and look for someone like Maurice Drew or Jerius Norwood in the upcoming draft.
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Agreed. The RB class has some huge talent at top, but also has some decent possibilities in the middle rounds. Personally, I like Jon Cornish or Kenneth Darby in the middle or Kenny Irons in round 2 if he somehow slips (cross your fingers!).
 
LORK 88 said:
Agreed. The RB class has some huge talent at top, but also has some decent possibilities in the middle rounds. Personally, I like Jon Cornish or Kenneth Darby in the middle or Kenny Irons in round 2 if he somehow slips (cross your fingers!).
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We are in desperate need of talent, NOT possibilities...

Mark my word, there will be a huge run on RB's in the first round and if we don't get one with our pick, we will be next year talking about what could have been, once again...
 
I agree, If we are picking top 3, I really thing salary capwise we almost have to trade down,unless like someone said, this is the next Barry Sanders

I like Peterson a bunch but I think we need supporting cast around our stars (Daunte,AJ). We need to strike gold in 2nd round (Demeco) and on to get this team out of a funk.
 
I think some of you forgot that we still have DD. Yes he is very injury prone. But with him coming back next year I think we can afford to wait until the second or third round for a RB. :twocents:
 
David's Busted Carr said:
The end of this season could be deja vu for the Texans!

Week 17 we play Cleveland! A game which could be labeled "The Adrian Peterson" bowl.

Look at the BAD right now and who needs a RB:

Oakland (0-5)? NO - Lamont Jordan
Tampa Bay(1-4)? NO - Cadillac Williams
Detroit(1-5)? NO - Kevin Jones
Miami(1-5)? NO - Ronnie Brown
Buffalo(2-4)? NO - Willis McGahee

Green Bay(1-4)? YES
Cleveland(1-4)? YES
Tennessee(1-5)? YES, and Bud Adams would LOVE to stick it to us again
Houston(1-4)? ABSOLUTELY!!!

So if you are cheering for the Texans to get Peterson you better hope we finish worse than the Pack, Browns, & Titans or he's GONE.

I think GB will win at least 4-5 games this year.

So it comes down to Houston, Tennessee, and Cleveland.

So depending on how we fare with Tennessee this year, it could very well come down to that final game just like it did last year!

WOW, would that be ironic!
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One problem all of these teams know that we need a RB so if there is a certain RB they want they will probably trade infront of us.
 
The last thing the Texans need to do is getting a in bidding war for a #1 draft pick RB in 2007 draft.

This team has so many holes to fill, and running a RB into the ground will probably not yield measurable benefit when the team is making it's Super Bowl run, if it even gets there. I like Adrian Peterson and he will be successful in the NFL, but the current state of Texans is not a good fit for him, particularly when considering the contract required to sign a #1 draft pick.

If the Texans have a top 5 selection in the first round for 2007, they need to trade out, even if it is for less value than what is dictated from past seasons. These high draft picks are too expensive and there is a high possibility we could be getting rid of the first one in the next year or so.

The Texans need to accumulate (get value for Carr, Johnson, and Robinson) as many late first round picks, as well as 2nd and 3rd round picks, for the next two drafts.

If they scout properly, that would be the easiest, cheapest, and quickest way to turn this thing around.

Having top 5 draft picks every year and building your team through free agency is recipe for disaster and just kills any cap strategy.

This team needs to build a core before they spend outrageous money!
 
Bubbajwp said:
I think some of you forgot that we still have DD. Yes he is very injury prone. But with him coming back next year I think we can afford to wait until the second or third round for a RB. :twocents:
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We could argue this till the cows come home and I won't agree... We used a previous 2nd round on a rb and how did that turn out...

Now DD, oh my gosh. A 2nd stringer if that on most teams. Injury prone big time. His career may be over, bottom line... Sorry, not a fan of his at all...
 
Forget AP. The Packers will have snapped him up by the time we pick anyway. Instead trade down and pick up Kenny Irons, a very balanced back who has good power and good open field speed, one cut down hill runner who can also make players miss. Also a threat out of the backfield.


My perfect scenario wouldbe to trade down with NE who has 2 first rounders, give them a 4th and let them get a WR like Jarrett or Johnson then draft Leon Hall and Kenny Irons then draft Micheal Griffin at the top of the second. Go OL in the 3rd.
 
BuffSoldier said:
Forget AP. The Packers will have snapped him up by the time we pick anyway. Instead trade down and pick up Kenny Irons, a very balanced back who has good power and good open field speed, one cut down hill runner who can also make players miss. Also a threat out of the backfield.
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I don't know about Green Bay doing that at all. They traded away a WR and now have lost another one for a year for dope. They are going to need to replace them even more now and not a RB...

NFL suspends Robinson one year
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6070148?FSO1&ATT=HMA
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
I am sticking with my guns and going against you guys.


As of todate, does anyone know how many picks we have used in 4 years of drafting looking for that late bloomer in the dang draft already?
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One each year as follows:

2002 (Expansion Season's rookie draft) - Wells in the 4th. He started slow but ended up delivering about what you expect from a 4th, quality backup.

2003 - Dom Davis in the 4th, who clearly overperformed. What we wouldn't give for a Davis now ...

2004 - Tony Hollings with #33 overall (ouch), exercised in a supplemental draft in week 3? of the season before, when Stacey Mack was our starter and Oakland's pick was expected to be 60-something and not #33.

2005 - Morency in the 3rd, whom many felt was our best guy coming into the season (I know I did)

2006 - Lundy in the 6th, who still could easily outperform his draft status, that wouldn't take much.
 
In this years Draft, there clearly are 3 or 4 running backs better than Reggie
Bush just as there may very well be 3 or 4 running backs in next years Draft who are better than AD. Its our job to identify who those backs are in the 2007 Draft.
 
So far, we have spent at least 5 draft picks looking for a RB. Now we will have the chance to get one for once and all, and some say no way. How can this be?

Our main goal here is to hope that Kubs scouts do a great job at scouting talent like last years draft over what we had before. If they can nail just that one elite back and then draft defense or whatever anyone wants, I would be happy. Until then, I will be on this board with the I told ya so's...

We have got to make that move to the promised land. O-Line and DB's may can be picked up in FA, but who knows till the off season...
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
So far, we have spent at least 5 draft picks looking for a RB. Now we will have the chance to get one for once and all, and some say no way. How can this be?

Our main goal here is to hope that Kubs scouts do a great job at scouting talent like last years draft over what we had before. If they can nail just that one elite back and then draft defense or whatever anyone wants, I would be happy. Until then, I will be on this board with the I told ya so's...

We have got to make that move to the promised land. O-Line and DB's may can be picked up in FA, but who knows till the off season...
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My feeling still stands, but I will not shed one tear nor make one complaint if we take AP. I just do not think it is the prudent thing to do. Hopefully we will not have this good problem and be picking that low.
 
Kubiak will not take a RB in the first round. He's said it before. If he could pass on Reggie, I am sure he wouldn't think twice about passing on AP. twocents:
 
I will admit I have only seen AP once. It looks like he is more of a power runner with some moves and speed that can go up the middle. Should be able to play in the "one cut and go" system. Seems to run more upright (like Dickerson) and will absorbe more punishment because of it.

Given all of that, unless we trade down (I expect us to be at about the #4 pick) and AP falls, I doubt we take him. Just to much risk with a RB above the 10 pick IMO. If we stick in the top 5 I look for us to take the best CB available.
 
infantrycak said:
Was DeMeco a gamble on a late pick? No. There are rounds in between 1 and 7. Really, my objection ends at about pick #12 or so. Above that--a RB better be spotless and above 5 or so would actually have to be Barry Sanders, not just get compared to him. A RB who is very impressive when healthy but has only played 6 games in two of three college seasons is not spotless.
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Exactly. If you're picking All Day, the Texans are saying that we're scrapping the zbs and going to a power running game. That is what he is. A power thirty-touches-a-game running back. I don't see Erick Dickerson, Bo Jackson, or even Earl Campbel with this guy. I know he has the hype. I just don't think he fits, like Bush didn't last year, this scheme. You telling me we're switching schemes, fine. Other wise this is pie in the sky feely good bs. And it ain't going to happen unless Kubiak drops down stone cold dead this off season. Live with it.
 
I'm squarely in the trade down camp this year...I like what the Jets did last year with Ferguson and Mangold in the first round. We need a Center something awful....and a real RT would be nice...we have done nothing but play guards and journeymen out there since day one...is Todd Wade in the NFL right now?
 
Vinny said:
I'm squarely in the trade down camp this year...I like what the Jets did last year with Ferguson and Mangold in the first round. We need a Center something awful....and a real RT would be nice...we have done nothing but play guards and journeymen out there since day one...is Todd Wade in the NFL right now?
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Now whether we can find a trading partner or not ? I think we've waited long enough. There's several great prospects at the o-line. We go defense first I got no problem with that as long as they come back strong and get Charles Spencer Insurance in the second or third rounds. We end up with some move up ammo with a trade we can pick our guy. Spencers leg will be fine to handle RT. I'm not so sure about LT. Salam's fine as a swing tackle a couple of games a year backing up, but we've got to get a decent prospect for '07. And some where they need to find a right gaurd prospect. They've got to find a running game. Fix the o-line. Five years of bad is long enough.
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
So far, we have spent at least 5 draft picks looking for a RB. Now we will have the chance to get one for once and all, and some say no way. How can this be?

Our main goal here is to hope that Kubs scouts do a great job at scouting talent like last years draft over what we had before. If they can nail just that one elite back and then draft defense or whatever anyone wants, I would be happy. Until then, I will be on this board with the I told ya so's...

We have got to make that move to the promised land. O-Line and DB's may can be picked up in FA, but who knows till the off season...
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Yeah well you're day two picks and FAs on both sides of the ball ain't cutting it. The defensive side of the ball, they are fixing to set the all time record for the worst defense since the merger. The o-line isn't fairing much better. Sacks are down, but the running game is ...may I say ...anemic. You're proven method has proven to suck in my book. We don't need All Day. We need a group of o-lineman that can crank out a 4.0 ypc effort. And All Day, behind a group of FAs and later round hope fulls isn't likely to get us there either. One elite back isn't going to do it. Say it with me no more suck o-lines.
No more suck o-lines. Fix the GD o-line first. Then next year Dorthy, you want a sparkly , studly RB, I'm with ya. Till the o-line gets fixed your line of thought is just well...stupid. Why in the world would you spend capitol on a guy with this group of o-lineman. And how can you believe after all the FAs we've broght in that this time it will work ? Fix the o-line first. And quit spreading this bs "we can get them on day two and in FA Bs. No you can't. We haven't been able to do it in five fricken years. Good Greif. You draft theory sucks big guy. The proof is on the feild this season.
 
threetoedpete said:
Yeah well you're day two picks and FAs on both sides of the ball ain't cutting it. The defensive side of the ball, they are fixing to set the all time record for the worst defense since the merger. The o-line isn't fairing much better. Sacks are down, but the running game is ...may I say ...anemic. You're proven method has proven to suck in my book. We don't need All Day. We need a group of o-lineman that can crank out a 4.0 ypc effort. And All Day, behind a group of FAs and later round hope fulls isn't likely to get us there either. One elite back isn't going to do it. Say it with me no more suck o-lines.
No more suck o-lines. Fix the GD o-line first. Then next year Dorthy, you want a sparkly , studly RB, I'm with ya. Till the o-line gets fixed your line of thought is just well...stupid. Why in the world would you spend capitol on a guy with this group of o-lineman. And how can you believe after all the FAs we've broght in that this time it will work ? Fix the o-line first. And quit spreading this bs "we can get them on day two and in FA Bs. No you can't. We haven't been able to do it in five fricken years. Good Greif. You draft theory sucks big guy. The proof is on the feild this season.
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Who do you think you are? An NFL guru or something? Don't call me out. You know no more about football than I do. So what the O-Line sucks. It has sucked from Day 1 and no one has fixed it yet. There are allot of O-Linemen that can be snatched up that are darn good ones in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Not my fault they keep spending those choses on rb's year after year. If our RB's didn't suck so bad, why do you think they keep trying to draft one???

My draft theory? So let's continue to draft a D player in the first round. That sure has helped the last couple of years hasn't it? Fix 1 side of the ball first, then fix the other. O should have been fixed along time ago. An Elite RB, an Elite WR, and so on and so on... Give me a break, go rant your opinion somewhere else, I don't have time to listen to your tom foolery...

Don't sit there and tell me the running game sucks in 1 breath and then say we shouldn't get someone in that can fix it once and for all. That is the most horrible statement ever...
 
Vinny said:
I hate to break this to you but most teams draft a RB nearly every draft. That is a high injury position and backs wear out fast.
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But we not only draft them every year, we sign them in from FA. A total waste of time and money. Let's get it right once and for all and move on...:twocents:
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
But we not only draft them every year, we sign them in from FA. A total waste of time and money. Let's get it right once and for all and move on...:twocents:
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The Saints drafted Deuce when they had Williams...the Bears drafted Benson when they had a good back in Jones, the Panthers took a back in the first round when they had just drafted a young back the year before and had good backs....the list goes on and on. You just see the Texans and think they are doing something wrong...it's normal stuff pards. RB's are not like OT's where you draft one for a decade....you have to keep signing and drafting backs in the NFL...all the time.
 
Vinny said:
The Saints drafted Deuce when they had Williams...the Bears drafted Benson when they had a good back in Jones, the Panthers took a back in the first round when they had just drafted a young back the year before and had good backs....the list goes on and on. You just see the Texans and think they are doing something wrong...it's normal stuff pards. RB's are not like OT's where you draft one for a decade....you have to keep signing and drafting backs in the NFL...all the time.
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And look where those teams are now. They weren't afraid to pull the trigger on Marquee players in the first round.

Well not so much the Saints, but you know what I mean...
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
And look where those teams are now. They weren't afraid to pull the trigger on Marquee players in the first round.

Well not so much the Saints, but you know what I mean...
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I'm the fricken guy that's been waiting for five years on the Tony Boselli repacment. You don't get those guys, lynch pin guys, every year. We got three on the board this year. And All Day dose not fit this scheme. Keep going cheap on the o-line. You can live with it I can also. Just don't post this drivel about the o-line and expect me to except it. DD was a fourth round choice. AD dose not will not fit this system. They go after Lynch the CB early we're going to be right back here next year cring about whats wrong with gd o-line. And whats wrong is we've gone cheap for five years. Just stow the Adrian Petterason talk. It's just stupid. And what is wrong is going chaep on the inside. And that's where the rubver meets the road. We gotta have more tallent on the o-line. We need and have needed an OLT for five years. You an OU homer his dad, fine beat his drum. I'm just sick of this BS we're going to fix the line going cheap.
 
threetoedpete said:
I'm the fricken guy that's been waiting for five years on the Tony Boselli repacment. You don't get those guys, lynch pin guys, every year. We got three on the board this year. And All Day dose not fit this scheme. Keep going cheap on the o-line. You can live with it I can also. Just don't post this drivel about the o-line and expect me to except it. DD was a fourth round choice. AD dose not will not fit this system. They go after Lynch the CB early we're going to be right back here next year cring about whats wrong with gd o-line. And whats wrong is we've gone cheap for five years. Just stow the Adrian Petterason talk. It's just stupid. And what is wrong is going chaep on the inside. And that's where the rubver meets the road. We gotta have more tallent on the o-line. We need and have needed an OLT for five years. You an OU homer his dad, fine beat his drum. I'm just sick of this BS we're going to fix the line going cheap.
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And I am sick of not having a running game. We better not draft D help in the first round.

And quit calling me out, we just disagree... You want O-Linemen, I want a RB. Both play offense...
 
HomeBred_Texan said:
We could argue this till the cows come home and I won't agree... We used a previous 2nd round on a rb and how did that turn out...

Now DD, oh my gosh. A 2nd stringer if that on most teams. Injury prone big time. His career may be over, bottom line... Sorry, not a fan of his at all...
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Your right I guess our most consistent player production wise doesnt deserve another chance behind a better oline.

How about we trade down. Get two more oline in the draft. Get a RB in the mid rounds. See what DD can do behind our improved oline. If him and the rest of our RB's dont cut it then draft a RB in next years draft.
 
Why would you want to ruin that young mans career by bringing him here? I think Edgerrin James has proven that even the best backs can't run without a line. There are much bigger holes to fill right now.
 
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