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steelbtexan said:
I thought the defense looked a lot better with Ward playing S last yr than without him.
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Ward played 100% of the defensive snaps the first 3 games. After that, Ward was either injured or in a part-time role. He misplayed a deep ball in the opener vs the Colts that led to a TD.

Ward has played in 20 of a possible 36 games in his 2 seasons with the Texans. Ward has never been a Pro Bowl caliber player, even with the Niners. Entering his age 34 season with injury and off the field concerns, I just don't see the upside of keeping Ward around. Ward has played the bulk of his career with Ryans, so I would trust DeMeco's decision. I just believe that will be showing Ward the door.
 
Lucky said:
Ward played 100% of the defensive snaps the first 3 games. After that, Ward was either injured or in a part-time role. He misplayed a deep ball in the opener vs the Colts that led to a TD.

Ward has played in 20 of a possible 36 games in his 2 seasons with the Texans. Ward has never been a Pro Bowl caliber player, even with the Niners. Entering his age 34 season with injury and off the field concerns, I just don't see the upside of keeping Ward around. Ward has played the bulk of his career with Ryans, so I would trust DeMeco's decision. I just believe that will be showing Ward the door.
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Ward has always been an above avg player that could play S or slot CB at a high enough level to start for SB level teams. Most of all he's the tone setter that Ryans wants for his secondary and that's as valuable as his play on the field IMHO.
 
Lucky said:
Ward played 100% of the defensive snaps the first 3 games. After that, Ward was either injured or in a part-time role. He misplayed a deep ball in the opener vs the Colts that led to a TD.

Ward has played in 20 of a possible 36 games in his 2 seasons with the Texans. Ward has never been a Pro Bowl caliber player, even with the Niners. Entering his age 34 season with injury and off the field concerns, I just don't see the upside of keeping Ward around. Ward has played the bulk of his career with Ryans, so I would trust DeMeco's decision. I just believe that will be showing Ward the door.
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Will we see Ward in September or lose him to a summer love?

Misquoting The Happenings 1966
Summer love
 
The Texans are not releasing the exact name of CJGJ's injury, but it is the "fat pad impingement syndrome." This is evident from Ryan's recent statement regarding potential rehab/treatment{s}...................conservative treatment/rehab [rest/ice/compression/elevation/steroids,etc]>>>>then possible PRP>>>>then surgical intervention if conservative measures fail.

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Texans’ DeMeco Ryans on C.J. Gardner-Johnson injury: ‘Thankfully, we’ll be seeing him back on the field this year’​

Aaron Wilson, KPRC 2 Houston Texans Reporter
Published: August 10, 2025 at 3:31 AM

The type of knee injury Gardner-Johnson sustained can be treated through a combination of rest and rehab, or even a PRP shot to address the inflammation in the joint. In more severe injuries, it can be treated with an arthroscopic procedure.
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Compare that to my previous original posts [Note especially the bolded parts]:

CloakNNNdagger said:
C. J. Gardner-Johnson may have dodged the bullet with no ACL, but with the information I've been able to gather, he has sustained what is referred to as Hoffa's fat pad syndrome (also known as infrapatellar fat pad impingement or fat pad syndrome). This occurs when the fat pad at the knee joint is crushed between the the back of the patella (knee cap) and the femur.

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Fat pad impingement as a a primary diagnosis where only the fat pad is injured is very uncommon. Most often it is associated with other knee injuries such as patellar tendonitis, patellofemoral pain syndrome, patellar subluxation/dislocation, meniscus tears, osteoarthritis and even ACL tears. This is why "syndrome" is often added to the diagnosis, meaning that more than one thing is at play.

In my experience, most will recover well with conservative treatment. This is quite a painful condition, and can be excruciatingly so when extending the leg (which maximally compresses the fat pad). The rehab to return is variable and not altogether predictable. Initial recovery can take between 8-12 weeks. Full recovery can range from 3-6 months.

In a study of athletes who underwent surgery (arthroscopic debridement) after failing conservative treatment, 96.4% returned to play at an average of 9.6 weeks post-surgery. Furthermore, 82.1% of these athletes returned to the same level of performance.

So, if my information is correct, CJ may have dodged one bullet (the ACL) and been hit by another............. with hopefully a good outcome ultimately.
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And....

CloakNNNdagger said:
I actually said that PRP may be entertained after a period of time with typical conservative treatment.

Steroid injections and possible addition of oral steroids are typically given very early in the treatment to quickly bring down the significant inflammation/swelling/pain associated with the injury. There is a conflict between steroid and PRP mechanisms. Steroids reduce inflammation, while PRP relies on an inflammatory response to initiate healing. Therefore, injecting PRP immediately after a steroid injection lessens the effectiveness of the PRP treatment. And be aware that PRP can take a few weeks to see or feel the initial results of the treatment.
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What’s the deal with British Brooks? Jack of all trades, master of none? I looked up Swarm in the dictionary and there was his picture. It just seems like to me like they haven’t fully tested him and fully defined his full value. Does he play better than he practices? On another note I don’t think I’ve seen so many blocks that flipped players on their heads as I did Saturday.
 
Sweech said:
He’s a major tone setter. I’m not even on the field or in the stadium but I can still tell he clearly changes the feeling of the game with his physicality.
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NitroGSXR said:
My sentiments exactly. He brings a super charged energy to the game.
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Ward is old, injury prone, and a liability in coverage (100+ passer rating against). But hey, he sets a major tone and brings super charged energy. Got it.
 
Dejaview said:
What’s the deal with British Brooks? Jack of all trades, master of none? I looked up Swarm in the dictionary and there was his picture. It just seems like to me like they haven’t fully tested him and fully defined his full value. Does he play better than he practices? On another note I don’t think I’ve seen so many blocks that flipped players on their heads as I did Saturday.
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Brooks has a problem Staying healthy. I agree, there were some great blocks by the Texans.
 
Dejaview said:
What’s the deal with British Brooks? Jack of all trades, master of none? I looked up Swarm in the dictionary and there was his picture. It just seems like to me like they haven’t fully tested him and fully defined his full value. Does he play better than he practices? On another note I don’t think I’ve seen so many blocks that flipped players on their heads as I did Saturday.
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He has some health issues, but even fully healthy where does he fit?

Jakob Johnson (That's his name right?) has the inside track to FB. And at HB/RB, that room is super crowded if/when everyone is healthy. Mixon is eventually coming back. Even if he misses a game or two, he has a roster spot. Chubb has a concussion per Doc. He'll be back for the reg season as well. I think he's a near lock. Dare - they love him. He's got a spot. That's 3. Marks is the guy they traded up for. He's a lock. That's 4. Will they keep 6 backs total? He'd need that number AND he would have to beat out Pierce and Pierce should be back very soon at full speed.

The math ain't mathin for British, although I like him a lot. I'd say he is cut and offered a spot on the PS if he clears waivers.
 
Lucky said:
Ward is old, injury prone, and a liability in coverage (100+ passer rating against). But hey, he sets a major tone and brings super charged energy. Got it.
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I agree about the first two but not the last one. I don’t think he’s been a liability in coverage at all in the last few years maybe the injury and age catch up to him but I haven’t seen it.

It’s also the role he’d be expected to play - he’s a depth guy now and not a starter. I’m more than happy to have Ward be a player in that role.
 
Sweech said:
He’s a major tone setter. I’m not even on the field or in the stadium but I can still tell he clearly changes the feeling of the game with his physicality.
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Also, when Pitre went down last season the D never missed a beat with Ward replacing him, he stepped into that role really well, it was once Ward went down and they ended up experimenting between a hobbled Christian Harris, rookie Kamari Lassiter and Devin White to take up whatever we call the 3rd linebacker/Nickel cornerback/3rd safety position in DeMeco’s scheme.

Now, this year I’d thought with the signing of CJGJ, moving Pitre to a franchise vet contract, and with Jaylen’s Smith & Reed drafted at DB, that Ward would become surplus to requirements but he may hang on as someone who could potentially sub in at 5 different positions because of the injury list specifically to the players who could potentially man that position if Pitre goes down, given its importance to what DeMeco wants to do.
 
Man that sucks. Bennie Joppru's ghost. If this is another season ender, it's time to cut bait and let that fish find a new dwelling.

Hopefully, we get news like CJGJ, but some guys (Harris is an injury just waiting to happen) cannot stay healthy so they never reach their potential. Sad for Brevin...but as a team...it's who is going to step up.

I'm not sure Lachey is ready, and he's a totally different beast in terms of skillset. Irv? Sort of the same thing. Not that guy.

Thinking a bit outside the box, but could this open the door for a guy like British Brooks. Make him sort of a swiss army knife
 
Brisco_County said:
Terrible news. Jordan prepares so hard every year and he's so good. I feel bad for this guy.

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Although there can be several reasons for a receiver going up for a high pass and coming down in excruciating pain, such as meniscus tear, patellar tendon tear, and knee fracture or dislocation..........the most common likely knee injury is an ACL.
I'm praying for it to be a lesser injury.
 
This injury is his left leg. I just asked Copilot which leg Jordan injured in 2024, and it said "...The affected leg remains unspecified in public reports." I was trying to gain confirmation it was the right leg in 2024.
 
Porky said:
He has some health issues, but even fully healthy where does he fit?

Jakob Johnson (That's his name right?) has the inside track to FB. And at HB/RB, that room is super crowded if/when everyone is healthy. Mixon is eventually coming back. Even if he misses a game or two, he has a roster spot. Chubb has a concussion per Doc. He'll be back for the reg season as well. I think he's a near lock. Dare - they love him. He's got a spot. That's 3. Marks is the guy they traded up for. He's a lock. That's 4. Will they keep 6 backs total? He'd need that number AND he would have to beat out Pierce and Pierce should be back very soon at full speed.

The math ain't mathin for British, although I like him a lot. I'd say he is cut and offered a spot on the PS if he clears waivers.
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This is kinda my point. Doesn’t he have to get some legitimate game time to see If/ where he fits? Seems lots of guys that will make this roster haven’t put together many if any “holy ****” plays as he has in really limited action. Some of these secondary guys we keep seeing year after year seem to have never made an impact play but we still get to watch them making a tackle after giving up yet another reception.
 
Brisco_County said:
This injury is his left leg. I just asked Copilot which leg Jordan injured in 2024, and it said "...The affected leg remains unspecified in public reports." I was trying to gain confirmation it was the right leg in 2024.
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You asked Copilot...........but didn't ask me??? :)

No article ever mentioned which leg Brevin suffered his ACL in. But doing some "detective work" looking thru any pictures or videos I could find..................I came across this picture of him at the Texans last OTA.

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Blowing up the left knee................those are arthrocopic ACL scars:

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Porky said:
Man that sucks. Bennie Joppru's ghost. If this is another season ender, it's time to cut bait and let that fish find a new dwelling.

Hopefully, we get news like CJGJ, but some guys (Harris is an injury just waiting to happen) cannot stay healthy so they never reach their potential. Sad for Brevin...but as a team...it's who is going to step up.

I'm not sure Lachey is ready, and he's a totally different beast in terms of skillset. Irv? Sort of the same thing. Not that guy.

Thinking a bit outside the box, but could this open the door for a guy like British Brooks. Make him sort of a swiss army knife
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So replace Jordan, a guy who cannot stay on the field with another guy who cannot stay on the field?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
You asked Copilot...........but didn't ask me??? :)

No article ever mentioned which leg Brevin suffered his ACL in. But doing some "detective work" looking thru any pictures or videos I could find..................I came across this picture of him at the Texans last OTA.

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Blowing up the left knee................those are arthrocopic ACL scars:

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You're right, I shouldn't lose faith so quickly in human intelligence over our machine overlords.

Since his injury today was also his left knee, and reinjury of a surgically repaired ACL is rare, are the odds higher it's his MCL? If so, that's like a four month recovery right?

Jordan said his ACL last year wasn't that painful, but he was hurting today. I remember when Welker blew his MCL against the Texans. He was in a lot of pain.
 
badboy said:
So replace Jordan, a guy who cannot stay on the field with another guy who cannot stay on the field?
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It’s not exactly like for like. Apples and strawberries. Brevin has a long history of injuries and a draft pick was used to acquire him and was being counted on to contribute. Feel terrible for him, but football is a business, and at what point do you cut bait? Let’s wait to see what it is, but it would not be shocking if it’s an ACL or some other ligament tear.

British is a 2nd yr UDFA….on the outside looking in for a roster spot and essentially no path to the roster at RB. One year with injuries does not a repeated injury history make…yet. My idea is he seems like a versatile guy. ST stud, can play RB, FB, and some sort of hybrid TE/H-back.

Why not use his versatility and his ST prowess and make him into an offensive Swiss Army knife. It’s useful to have a guy like this active because he can fill in a various spots if an injury occurs or just to give the defense a different look. Just spitballing.
 
Porky said:
It’s not exactly like for like. Apples and strawberries. Brevin has a long history of injuries and a draft pick was used to acquire him and was being counted on to contribute. Feel terrible for him, but football is a business, and at what point do you cut bait? Let’s wait to see what it is, but it would not be shocking if it’s an ACL or some other ligament tear.

British is a 2nd yr UDFA….on the outside looking in for a roster spot and essentially no path to the roster at RB. One year with injuries does not a repeated injury history make…yet. My idea is he seems like a versatile guy. ST stud, can play RB, FB, and some sort of hybrid TE/H-back.

Why not use his versatility and his ST prowess and make him into an offensive Swiss Army knife. It’s useful to have a guy like this active because he can fill in a various spots if an injury occurs or just to give the defense a different look. Just spitballing.
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It is exactly like that! You quote Jordan's history of injuries and then ignore Brooks history? After he was signed, I gave his history in college which was horrible. It continued his first year in the NFL and everyone is holding their breath to see when he gets hurt again. I would love to have both of them participating in good health, but that has not and almost certainly will not.
 
Brisco_County said:
You're right, I shouldn't lose faith so quickly in human intelligence over our machine overlords.

Since his injury today was also his left knee, and reinjury of a surgically repaired ACL is rare, are the odds higher it's his MCL? If so, that's like a four month recovery right?

Jordan said his ACL last year wasn't that painful, but he was hurting today. I remember when Welker blew his MCL against the Texans. He was in a lot of pain.
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The accepted average risk of an ipsilateral ACL rupture within a year is ~15% seen in very recent study (some studies have the risk even greater, some lower).

Landing after jumping for a high ball can put wide receivers at risk of an MCL tear, particularly if the landing is awkward or involves external forces stressing the knee inwards. I couldn't tell you if an MCL would be a higher risk since there is nothing really to compare it with because there are so many factors that can affect that isolated injury. It is almost as likely to see both injuries occur on the same play.

ACL s don't have many nerve endings to cause pain from their rupture alone...............neighboring tissues being traumatized usually cause the classic intense pain by the knee's abnormal movement follow the loss of knee stability. When an ACL is only partially torn, it commonly causes little or no pain at the time, which fits the fact that during the game Jordan was not aware that he suffered an ACL injury...........until the next day. Adrenaline in these cases commonly can temporarily numb the pain receptors, making it possible to function and even continue activity without feeling the full extent of the injury. As adrenaline levels subside, typically within a few hours or a day, the pain signals can then become apparent and noticeable.
 
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