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Trade down vs trading up or selecting BPA

xtruroyaltyx said:
We had a dialogue about the combine workouts. You can look back through the thread. I was talking about how it was crazy to downgrade Kyle Hamilton and Aiden Hutchinson based on 40 tine. You responded to a post I made trying to explain why their combine 40s mattered.
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The 40 times matter, a lot for D-backs, especially corners.
Hamilton was drafted high enough given his very unimpressive time, while the highest drafted safetys in memory, Sean Taylor & Eric Berry both top 5 picks, wouldn't have gotten picked that high without also having lots and lots of foot speed.
 
IDEXAN said:
The 40 times matter, a lot for D-backs, especially corners.
Hamilton was drafted high enough given his very unimpressive time, while the highest drafted safetys in memory, Sean Taylor & Eric Berry both top 5 picks, wouldn't have gotten picked that high without also having lots and lots of foot speed.
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Ok
 
IDEXAN said:
The 40 times matter, a lot for D-backs, especially corners.
Hamilton was drafted high enough given his very unimpressive time, while the highest drafted safetys in memory, Sean Taylor & Eric Berry both top 5 picks, wouldn't have gotten picked that high without also having lots and lots of foot speed.
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Game speed on tape trumps the 40 time, at all positions.

Taylor and Berry ran pretty similar 40s, 4.47 for Berry and 4.51 for Taylor. Taylor was only 8/100ths faster than Hamilton. You would struggle to tell the difference between them without electronic timing.
 
Errant Hothy said:
Game speed on tape trumps the 40 time, at all positions.

Taylor and Berry ran pretty similar 40s, 4.47 for Berry and 4.51 for Taylor. Taylor was only 8/100ths faster than Hamilton. You would struggle to tell the difference between them without electronic timing.
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For whatever reason(s) those 40 times understate the intrinsic sprinting speed of Berry &
Taylor who were legit track sprinters andrecorded 10.5 and 10.7 100 meter times, so
Hamlton was a turtle compared to a hare.
By the way, at 40 yards 8 hundreths of a second is a meanful margin.
 
IDEXAN said:
For whatever reason(s) those 40 times understate the intrinsic sprinting speed of Berry &
Taylor who were legit track sprinters andrecorded 10.5 and 10.7 100 meter times, so
Hamlton was a turtle compared to a hare.
By the way, at 40 yards 8 hundreths of a second is a meanful margin.
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Because there is a difference between acceleration and top speed.

Also .08 is within margin of error for hand timing, which the majority of scouts still use. It's also within the expected variance between the first and second runs of the 40.
 
Separation can be created multiple ways. Long speed isn’t essential. Tez Johnson ran slow combine time 4.51 he’s gotten crushed by media & mock drafts yet he cruahed coverages during season & senior bowl.
 
Errant Hothy said:
Because there is a difference between acceleration and top speed.

Also .08 is within margin of error for hand timing, which the majority of scouts still use. It's also within the expected variance between the first and second runs of the 40.
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I always take pro day times with a grain of salt, look at combine times (electronicaly timed) as the only truly reliable and accurate times.
 
I watched a show about what matters most and least at the combine. While 40-yard times matter, the most important thing to most scouts and coaches is the broad jump. Now for a DB, it may matter less than 40 times, vertical and how smooth they can open hips and change direction. The reason they claim for the broad jump being so vital compared to other stats is it shows how quickly a player can generate explosive power. A DE/Edge player who has a good broad jump shows from 0 to in someone's face is very fast, which you want in a position like that. If they run a 5.4 40, that isn't amazing but that broad jump shows they are at 5.4 instantly compared to having a build up and maybe getting stopped by a player who is off the ball faster. A WR yes, speed is very important and so is catching and vertical (along with smoothly running routes).

That is the bare bones explanation for many reasons why a 40 might not be a go to compared to broad jump...for some positions. Other 40 wins out and in a QBs case, hands are judged very much. Because it is thought (not always true) that small hands mean more dropped snaps and fumbles when him. Along with a bigger hand is claimed by some to have better control and better spirals. Is that true, not always.

I can try to find the video that explains it all. Seeing it probably would be better than my explanation lol but hope that explanation is decent.
 
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