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Welcome to Houston Cam Robinson

It seems like the plan was based on finding a trading partner to offload Tunsil to in order to add cap $$$. However, IMO, that process took longer than anticipated perhaps due to the offers received, and now we're seeing the outcome..."JAGS" everywhere on the O-line protecting the greatest asset. Hopefully Fisher and whomever is drafted works out.
 
I don’t think people are remembering just how badly our OL performed last season.

There was a point mid-season where our O just couldn’t perform, we weren’t able to protect CJ Stroud in pass pro, we weren’t able to open up run lanes.

Moving on from these players isn’t leaving us worse off than before.

Sure, they need to develop some quality starters through the draft, and they need to hope these FA signings perform at the top of their ceiling rather than at the level that’s maybe led them to FA, but you cannot get any worse than seeing Stroud getting jacked up by a 300lb DT on a simple stunt on the first play of the game.

It can’t be worse than it was at points of last season.
 
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Lucky said:
It's a 1 year deal. Still need to draft OT. Just don't have to start the rookie if not ready.
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I know it's just a one yr contract, I read your post.
I think now the Nickster has left himself room to choose who he wants in the first round,
or maybe I should say choose who his coach really wants.
Lets say hypothetically Demeco really, really likes Michigan DT Mason Grahmn and our GM
is in a position to take him in the first round, I think he'd pull the trigger on the Wolverine
tackle in that scenario.
Nick wants to keep his HC happy, and after signing Robinson he's no longer in the proverbial corner without a solution @ OLT for the 2025 season.
 
At first I was excited about Cam. I know him as a very solid starting LT with the Jags.

Then I saw last year. He cratered. If we are getting the 2023 or prior Cam…great.

If we are getting the 2024 Cam amd paying him starter money…bad.

It would be a leap of faith to expect better then last year. Are you spending 12 mil on a backup swing tackle?

Im not a fan of the new additions. We needed change…but step 2 is what is that change. Could have had Zeiler for 9 mil. Way way better signing. If he wanted to go to Tenn there were other good options at guard for the money..or less…then what they signed Cam for…who appears to be breaking down physically.

Step 1 of the plan - A

Step 2 of the plan - D+
 
We...well I knew that any OT that was going to be signed going to be a clear downgrade from Tunsil. That's why despite his flaws some of us thought we have keep him around.

Cam Robinson was depending on the site anywhere from the 2nd to 5th rated OT in free agency with overall player rating range from 17 to 46. (obviously I have not looked every rating, so if you find different cool) None of that is a statement to Robinson being actually really good that but this is the type of guy available free agency especially at OT.

In short, we are having to trust the Nicks and Cole to have a system that gets more out the signings than they were at the end of last year,
 
Porky said:
At first I was excited about Cam. I know him as a very solid starting LT with the Jags.

Then I saw last year. He cratered. If we are getting the 2023 or prior Cam…great.

If we are getting the 2024 Cam amd paying him starter money…bad.

It would be a leap of faith to expect better then last year. Are you spending 12 mil on a backup swing tackle?

Im not a fan of the new additions. We needed change…but step 2 is what is that change. Could have had Zeiler for 9 mil. Way way better signing. If he wanted to go to Tenn there were other good options at guard for the money..or less…then what they signed Cam for…who appears to be breaking down physically.

Step 1 of the plan - A

Step 2 of the plan - D+
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Don't forget that Step 2 isn't over yet. If the Texans bring in a T and G in the first two rounds of the draft I feel perfectly fine with having the newly signed vets to compete with them. Assuming that's the plan, it certainly can't hurt to have Cam Robinson to teach/show Blake Fisher and a new draft pick how to play LT... particularly because Cam will be playing his ass off trying to get a new 2026 contract.
 
welsh texan said:
I don’t think people are remembering just how badly our OL performed last season.

There was a point mid-season where our O just couldn’t perform, we weren’t able to protect CJ Stroud in pass pro, we weren’t able to open up run lanes.

Moving on from these players isn’t leaving us worse off than before.

Sure, they need to develop some quality starters through the draft, and they need to hope these FA signings perform at the top of their ceiling rather than at the level that’s maybe led them to FA, but you cannot get any worse than seeing Stroud getting jacked up by a 300lb DT on a simple stunt on the first play of the game.

It can’t be worse than it was at points of last season.
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Agreed and, by the Lord, if I see one more predictable 1st down run for -3 yards in the redzone...
 
Saw an article that stated of the OL in camp, they will play the 5 best. Meaning according to the article if a rookie or a guy like Fisher play lights out...they start over an already signed vet.

I like the move, but I am like many people, worried about past injuries. I hope he and others show it was the system that they played in that held them back. As well as past injuries stay just that...past. And they do well here. Time will tell as well as when and who we draft on the OL. I just have a feeling that it won't be in the 1st. I really think Nick is going WR before anything. That's why he signed the deals he has. Guys who could be very good, which is what he is hoping. And allowing a 2nd or 3rd round OT or OG to develop for a year.
 
SnakeEyes said:
...I like the move, but I am like many people, worried about past injuries. I hope he and others show it was the system that they played in that held them back. As well as past injuries stay just that...past...
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I'm thinking this is an OK signing. At this point, not too concerned about injury. He's only lost significant playing time in 2 years, 2018 and 2023. Otherwise he's had over 800 snaps in all of his starting seasons.

Last year, following his '23 injury, he came back and started 17 games, playing 999 snaps. He gave up only 7 sacks and 7 hits. Now I don't know what the league average is, but this seems decent. He did give up 52 pressures, an average of 3 per game. Again, this doesn't seem too bad.

So he's had a full season and the '25 off season since his '23 injury. If we get '24 performance this year, CJ should be fine.
 
Porky said:
At first I was excited about Cam. I know him as a very solid starting LT with the Jags.

Then I saw last year. He cratered. If we are getting the 2023 or prior Cam…great.

If we are getting the 2024 Cam amd paying him starter money…bad.

It would be a leap of faith to expect better then last year. Are you spending 12 mil on a backup swing tackle?

Im not a fan of the new additions. We needed change…but step 2 is what is that change. Could have had Zeiler for 9 mil. Way way better signing. If he wanted to go to Tenn there were other good options at guard for the money..or less…then what they signed Cam for…who appears to be breaking down physically.

Step 1 of the plan - A

Step 2 of the plan - D+
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Like I said, Judge Robinson by his time last year with the Jags, not his time with the Vikings, continuity is a must on the ol and that takes time. The ol position is.uch different than say the RB or CB positions.

I'm betting Cam will be solid next year.
 
Porky said:
At first I was excited about Cam. I know him as a very solid starting LT with the Jags.

Then I saw last year. He cratered. If we are getting the 2023 or prior Cam…great.

If we are getting the 2024 Cam amd paying him starter money…bad.

It would be a leap of faith to expect better then last year. Are you spending 12 mil on a backup swing tackle?

Im not a fan of the new additions. We needed change…but step 2 is what is that change. Could have had Zeiler for 9 mil. Way way better signing. If he wanted to go to Tenn there were other good options at guard for the money..or less…then what they signed Cam for…who appears to be breaking down physically.

Step 1 of the plan - A

Step 2 of the plan - D+
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I haven't seen any stats or ratings on Robinson last season but you are saying Robinson's performance with the Vikings in '24 was downright dismal ?
 
IDEXAN said:
I haven't seen any stats or ratings on Robinson last season but you are saying Robinson's performance with the Vikings in '24 was downright dismal ?
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Not really. 3 pressures a game means whoever he was blocking got past him 3 times. And, seeing the NFL has some strange ways of doing things. Maybe 1 of the pressures was on a different player and Robinson was in the area. Like a TE was to block a LB. Take how good the Vikings did overall at keeping the QB safe last year. Robinson was part of that.
 
I am looking forward to the lower pass protection ratings at tackle next year as well as the dramatically improved offensive efficiency and production. I expect both things to be a consistent trend and weeks of the following commentary- "such and such is rated as 24th tackle in football while Tunsil is #3, yet the texans have become the most unstoppable offense in the league... why?"
 
There are three types of pressures.
A) defensive player(s ) presence or action causes QB to adjust his stance from what the play calls for.

B) defensive player(s) hit QB causing QB to alter or adjust his movements from what QB wants.

C) defensive player(s) create a sack.
 
At least for now, it appears that we will only have one new starter on the offensive line in Robinson. Hopefully this lineup will come together much quicker this season especially if all are able to workout and play in the preseason together.
 
badboy said:
At least for now, it appears that we will only have one new starter on the offensive line in Robinson. Hopefully this lineup will come together much quicker this season especially if all are able to workout and play in the preseason together.
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I doubt that... I would be SHOCKED to find that there exists any intention to re-place ANY center guard combination used at any point last season!: in other words, NO way we will see Patterson and Scruggs on the field together unless everything has gone wrong!
 
SnakeEyes said:
Saw an article that stated of the OL in camp, they will play the 5 best. Meaning according to the article if a rookie or a guy like Fisher play lights out...they start over an already signed vet.
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That's what we always expect, but it took an injury to get Kenyon Green out of the starting lineup.

I understand it's a "new" group, just saying this is what we expected of the last group.
 
dalemurphy said:
I doubt that... I would be SHOCKED to find that there exists any intention to re-place ANY center guard combination used at any point last season!: in other words, NO way we will see Patterson and Scruggs on the field together unless everything has gone wrong!
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I may be right. I may be wrong. I may be the lunatic that you're looking for. For now, I believe that it will be Robinson at left tackle, Howard left guard, Patterson at center, Scruggs at Right Guard and Fisher at right tackle.
 
welsh texan said:
I don’t think people are remembering just how badly our OL performed last season.

There was a point mid-season where our O just couldn’t perform, we weren’t able to protect CJ Stroud in pass pro, we weren’t able to open up run lanes.

Moving on from these players isn’t leaving us worse off than before.

Sure, they need to develop some quality starters through the draft, and they need to hope these FA signings perform at the top of their ceiling rather than at the level that’s maybe led them to FA, but you cannot get any worse than seeing Stroud getting jacked up by a 300lb DT on a simple stunt on the first play of the game.

It can’t be worse than it was at points of last season.
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You make a seemingly forgotten point...our line was terrible last year. On paper, it may appear that our line got worse and on paper it did. But I don't think you're going to see the **** show that took place last year, this year. Strangely I have more confidence in NC when he has to piece together a line, rather than having a set line like he did last year.

Another thing that people are neglecting to mention is that if this line can get the run game going, even if it's 3 yards and a cloud of dust, this will take the pressure off the line and CJ, because we won't be in predictably passing downs. A huge part of our failure last year was they couldn't run the ball. Imagine what Mixon and Co. (and dare I say Pearce, in a power scheme) can do when they have lanes to run.

I'm currently taking an optimistic view about the state of the OL because it looks like everyone has the pessimistic (or should I say realistic?) view covered. After all, we are fans of Houston football, regardless of which team(s) we've supported.
 
House of Pain said:
You make a seemingly forgotten point...our line was terrible last year. On paper, it may appear that our line got worse and on paper it did. But I don't think you're going to see the **** show that took place last year, this year. Strangely I have more confidence in NC when he has to piece together a line, rather than having a set line like he did last year.

Another thing that people are neglecting to mention is that if this line can get the run game going, even if it's 3 yards and a cloud of dust, this will take the pressure off the line and CJ, because we won't be in predictably passing downs. A huge part of our failure last year was they couldn't run the ball. Imagine what Mixon and Co. (and dare I say Pearce, in a power scheme) can do when they have lanes to run.

I'm currently taking an optimistic view about the state of the OL because it looks like everyone has the pessimistic (or should I say realistic?) view covered. After all, we are fans of Houston football, regardless of which team(s) we've supported.
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Ok, but Robinson doesn't appear to make run game better.
 
I love the Chicken Larges almost as much as I like the Chicken Littles. Instead of the sky is falling, it's don't worry it's all going to be just fine and it's sunny even on the cloudiest day - with absolutely nothing to back it up other than pixie dust and prayer.
 
steelbtexan said:
An OL of Robinson/Banks/Patterson/Howard/Fisher/Talyor

With Tomlinson/Ingram in reserve should be able to run the ball better.
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Banks would definitely assist Robinson passing but how in run blocking? Robinson would have to resolve his guy.
 
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Porky said:
I love the Chicken Larges almost as much as I like the Chicken Littles. Instead of the sky is falling, it's don't worry it's all going to be just fine and it's sunny even on the cloudiest day - with absolutely nothing to back it up other than pixie dust and prayer.
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It speaks to how bad some of us thought the offensive line was last year. They have reversed course and replaced the line with NFL level players. Therefore, I expect the unit as a whole to be around an average NFL unit, which would be a massive upgrade to what we had last year!
 
Everyone talking about 7 sacks (last year) and 3 pressures per game. Look at it this way. If every OLine payer allowed 7 sacks this season, it's 35 sacks. Which at 51 regular season sacks and 11 post season last season I think CJ would like that. Seeing it would be about 20 less than last year not including post season. I'm not sure what the average is for the NFL

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Sacks- An NFL offensive line can expect to give up an average of around 40 sacks per season, with the best lines potentially giving up around 20 and the worst around 60 or more.

Pressures- NFL, an offensive lineman (OL) typically allows an average of around 24 pressures per season, with some players and teams performing significantly better or worse.

So, 3 a game across 5 players is a bit high
 
Porky said:
I love the Chicken Larges almost as much as I like the Chicken Littles. Instead of the sky is falling, it's don't worry it's all going to be just fine and it's sunny even on the cloudiest day - with absolutely nothing to back it up other than pixie dust and prayer.
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There are the chicken logicals who know you won’t know until you know. Everything else is speculation.
 
Porky said:
I love the Chicken Larges almost as much as I like the Chicken Littles. Instead of the sky is falling, it's don't worry it's all going to be just fine and it's sunny even on the cloudiest day - with absolutely nothing to back it up other than pixie dust and prayer.
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I thought cutting Tunsil alone was addition by subtraction...maybe a few more variables needed to be calculated.
 
Porky said:
I love the Chicken Larges almost as much as I like the Chicken Littles. Instead of the sky is falling, it's don't worry it's all going to be just fine and it's sunny even on the cloudiest day - with absolutely nothing to back it up other than pixie dust and prayer.
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One makes me feel a little bit better
 
dalemurphy said:
It speaks to how bad some of us thought the offensive line was last year. They have reversed course and replaced the line with NFL level players. Therefore, I expect the unit as a whole to be around an average NFL unit, which would be a massive upgrade to what we had last year!
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En la nombre de Padre, el Nino y spirit del Sante! Por favor. Por favor.
Amen
 
Starting to get the feeling that, as it stands now, Fisher will be given every chance to win the LT job and Robinson is the target for RT (Howard to LG in this scenario).
 
Porky said:
Ok NOW we're cooking with butane!

This must be why they restructured Howard today. At Tackle, still draft a mid- to lower-round tackle for some insurance and a guy who might develop into something more.

At Guard, draft a guy in the top 3 rounds who can push hard for the RG spot as a rookie, and we're starting to cook. A first rounder is not too high, there but there are some good candidates in the 2nd and 3rd as well.

Chef Nick hopped back in the kitchen!
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Overall I’m hoping they can walk out of the draft with at least 2, but hopefully 3 o-linemen.

Top two rounds I’m perfectly fine with them going BPA. In fact I hope they dip into the deep pools like d-line and RB.

Anytime a draft is deep in a position I’d rather be the team taking those players rather than fishing in shallow pools that have probably already had the couple talents already taken.
 
Sweech said:
Overall I’m hoping they can walk out of the draft with at least 2, but hopefully 3 o-linemen.

Top two rounds I’m perfectly fine with them going BPA. In fact I hope they dip into the deep pools like d-line and RB.

Anytime a draft is deep in a position I’d rather be the team taking those players rather than fishing in shallow pools that have probably already had the couple talents already taken.
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Our round 2 plus round 3.79 and a late round in 2026 will get us back into round one? If you could get Banks and Zabel would you? Wr in 3rd
 
badboy said:
Yeah I was taught as a child that in common Street Spanish that was the way to ask your number or how you are called.
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It's no big deal and it's not my native tongue so maybe I've got it wrong but...

Nombre is name, but it's a masculine word and you used the feminine article. I think that's what TKyss was specifically talking about.

The whole saying should be... en el nombre del padre, del hijo, y del Espiritu Santo. But, again, not my native tongue so I could be mistaken. I don't want to be the grammar police guy who gets grammar policed.
 
dalemurphy said:
Nope. That was enough. Some people just don't realize it yet.
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I expect the OL to be much improved next yr, but that has nothing to do with Tunsil. I expect Robinson to be avg/Draft pick or Tomlison/Howard to be avg/Patterson to improve if healthy/RG to be better with some form of Scruugs/Ingram/Howard/Fisher to be much improved and Howard.

Most of all I expect better coaching and TE play.
 
Sweech said:
Overall I’m hoping they can walk out of the draft with at least 2, but hopefully 3 o-linemen.

Top two rounds I’m perfectly fine with them going BPA. In fact I hope they dip into the deep pools like d-line and RB.

Anytime a draft is deep in a position I’d rather be the team taking those players rather than fishing in shallow pools that have probably already had the couple talents already taken.
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I maybe the only guy that would be happy if Caserio went BPA and drafted a developmental OT/OG in rd 3. I like Jackson Slater and Anthony Belton a lot in this scenario.

1. Loveland
2. Noel
3. Darius Alexander
3. Slater or Belton.

Or give me Golden and Taylor in rds 1-2.
 
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