Trade down vs trading up or selecting BPA

[beerlover]

Here is example only, pros, cons which would be preferred draft strategy for Texans. There is one of the top WR’s available pick #25, Matthew Golden, Texas. Would y’all prefer to run up selection to podium or listen to offers, in this case the Colts?

Texans dropping down to #45 from #25 but adding three extra quality players plus 4th’s in 2026 & 2027. My thoughts are as nice as it would be to add Golden, with these & our own picks you could transform both trenches, OL & DL. Get younger, cheaper and more talented. Also adding terrific WR in his own Jalen Royals, pass catching, dynamic RB in Brashard Smith, SMU and TE Thomas Fidone II.

You could choose different edge or interior DT, but both are great fits here, Lance Zierlein compares Umanmielen to Whitney Mercilus. Omarr Norman-Lott is undersized interior defender specializing in penetration and havoc creation. On OL, specifically LG, Savaiinaea’s size works to his advantage and he could become a serviceable starting guard, plus swing tackle in emergency. Projecting Luke Kandra to RG, 6-5 319lbs, top bench rep for OL 33.

Again, just examples of taking on player top of your board vs, plugging needs on roster. I like this also because your taking away Colts 4th round picks three years in a row!

 

[badboy]

1.25 Josh Simmons; Matthew Golden or Jahdee Barron, I am handing in before Commish says "and now the Houston..". I might include Conerly. If those gone, I am listening to offers. I continue to like the round twos of the Bears and 33 and 67 of the Browns if we can work at a deal adding something to 25.

Who is BPA? Probably not the same guy in the Texans war room let alone on this message board. Heck I find myself arguing between the three I listed.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

Which Mock site has actually updated their player rankings now that the Combine is in the books? I hope they’re not waiting for the players to participate in school Pro Days.

 

[KoolAid Sipper]

Which Mock site has actually updated their player rankings now that the Combine is in the books? I hope they’re not waiting for the players to participate in school Pro Days.

Both main ones have:

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[badboy]

Tankathon did over the weekend and again about 2 hours ago. Several teams have changed players they are expected to draft

 

[steelbtexan]

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Here is example only, pros, cons which would be preferred draft strategy for Texans. There is one of the top WR’s available pick #25, Matthew Golden, Texas. Would y’all prefer to run up selection to podium or listen to offers, in this case the Colts?

Texans dropping down to #45 from #25 but adding three extra quality players plus 4th’s in 2026 & 2027. My thoughts are as nice as it would be to add Golden, with these & our own picks you could transform both trenches, OL & DL. Get younger, cheaper and more talented. Also adding terrific WR in his own Jalen Royals, pass catching, dynamic RB in Brashard Smith, SMU and TE Thomas Fidone II.

You could choose different edge or interior DT, but both are great fits here, Lance Zierlein compares Umanmielen to Whitney Mercilus. Omarr Norman-Lott is undersized interior defender specializing in penetration and havoc creation. On OL, specifically LG, Savaiinaea’s size works to his advantage and he could become a serviceable starting guard, plus swing tackle in emergency. Projecting Luke Kandra to RG, 6-5 319lbs, top bench rep for OL 33.

Again, just examples of taking on player top of your board vs, plugging needs on roster. I like this also because your taking away Colts 4th round picks three years in a row!

I'm more for adding quality over quantity.

Give me Jackson or Zabel

Then one of Higgins/Noel/Royals

Rd. 3 Best DL available, there will be some good ones available.

 

[beerlover]

1.25 Josh Simmons; Matthew Golden or Jahdee Barron, I am handing in before Commish says "and now the Houston..". I might include Conerly. If those gone, I am listening to offers. I continue to like the round twos of the Bears and 33 and 67 of the Browns if we can work at a deal adding something to 25.

Who is BPA? Probably not the same guy in the Texans war room let alone on this message board. Heck I find myself arguing between the three I listed.

So you would rather select Matthew Golden than trying to fortify more needs and manage roster payroll moving forward? Interesting

 

[beerlover]

Which Mock site has actually updated their player rankings now that the Combine is in the books? I hope they’re not waiting for the players to participate in school Pro Days.

Should be soon. I just lowered their draft board rankings to match closer to public opinion, bumped up team need over positional rankings and added measure of volatility (since it’s still early).

 

[beerlover]

I'm more for adding quality over quantity.

Give me Jackson or Zabel

Then one of Higgins/Noel/Royals

Rd. 3 Best DL available, there will be some good ones available.

Have to say I’m a bit surprised with you as well. DeMeco can bring out the best in any of these defensive picks. Heard they’re likely to let two starters walk from DL in FA. Thats just for starters, not to mention what they may do to OL. In actual mock, given need @ WR, I would pick Royals rd.2. There is a lot of flexibility that comes with more draft equity.

 

[leebigeztx]

I'm not drafting oline when I can get that in free agency. Again, the Texans don't have a lb, safety, or nickle who can cover a slot/te. That's been a problem and remains one. My opinion doesn't count, but bpa is the safety from SC. I said this even before the combine. They can get a guard/center via free agency as well as a couple wrs for a decent price.

 

[steelbtexan]

Have to say I’m a bit surprised with you as well. DeMeco can bring out the best in any of these defensive picks. Heard they’re likely to let two starters walk from DL in FA. Thats just for starters, not to mention what they may do to OL. In actual mock, given need @ WR, I would pick Royals rd.2. There is a lot of flexibility that comes with more draft equity.

I'm thinking an off-season like this would make me happy.

Sign WR Robinson and Kirk 10 mil total

OG James Daniels, Joe Notebook 10 mil total

DT Rankings, S Hufnaga, CB Isiah Rodgers 18 mil total.

1. Zabel
2. Jaylin Noel
3. Trade for Mayer
4. Ty Robinson
5. Best CB

 

[leebigeztx]

I'm thinking an off-season like this would make me happy.

Sign WR Robinson and Kirk 10 mil total

OG James Daniels, Joe Notebook 10 mil total

DT Rankings, S Hufnaga, CB Isiah Rodgers 18 mil total.

1. Zabel
2. Jaylin Noel
3. Trade for Mayer
4. Ty Robinson
5. Best CB

I can did the Robinson and Kirk even though I could see Moore and Kirk. Daniels made 8m last year, he will probably command at least that much. Hard pass on Rankins who was terrible this year especially with the dt depth of the draft.

 

[beerlover]

I'm thinking an off-season like this would make me happy.

Sign WR Robinson and Kirk 10 mil total

OG James Daniels, Joe Notebook 10 mil total

DT Rankings, S Hufnaga, CB Isiah Rodgers 18 mil total.

1. Zabel
2. Jaylin Noel
3. Trade for Mayer
4. Ty Robinson
5. Best CB

Gotcha! Not a terrible plan, but you know what it feels like? More of the same. Who knows, they could all remain healthy and go another round deeper into the playoffs?

But for me, Casero & Co. already missed CJ rookie window to compete for a Championship. Need to play chess not checkers.

Stingley contract is due, that’s 26 million per give or take a year. Then comes CJ and Anderson. 60+ for CJ 30+ for Anderson. Going to need to move on from Tunsil next offseason minimum. Howard, Mason & Green too.

Texans need a hard reset now. Build towards a real championship caliber roster through the draft, and by trading down can rebuild in a couple seasons. Don’t mind Kirk or Kupp in meantime, but don’t blow your wad like they did with Diggs. Believe in the process.

 

[steelbtexan]

I'm not drafting oline when I can get that in free agency. Again, the Texans don't have a lb, safety, or nickle who can cover a slot/te. That's been a problem and remains one. My opinion doesn't count, but bpa is the safety from SC. I said this even before the combine. They can get a guard/center via free agency as well as a couple wrs for a decent price.

Mukuba is a better player and can be had in the 2nd rd. I also like Kevin Winston Jr. quite a bit. To fix the ol, TE groups it's going to take a combination of fa, draft, trades to fix this mess.

 

[steelbtexan]

I can did the Robinson and Kirk even though I could see Moore and Kirk. Daniels made 8m last year, he will probably command at least that much. Hard pass on Rankins who was terrible this year especially with the dt depth of the draft.

Daniels got hurt and you would think he would make less. Same with Rankins. I'll trust Ryans on this one.

Who do you like more Shemar Turner or Ty Robinson? Tell me more about Turner's games, he intrigues me .

 

[steelbtexan]

Gotcha! Not a terrible plan, but you know what it feels like? More of the same. Who knows, they could all remain healthy and go another round deeper into the playoffs?

But for me, Casero & Co. already missed CJ rookie window to compete for a Championship. Need to play chess not checkers.

Stingley contract is due, that’s 26 million per give or take a year. Then comes CJ and Anderson. 60+ for CJ 30+ for Anderson. Going to need to move on from Tunsil next offseason minimum. Howard, Mason & Green too.

Texans need a hard reset now. Build towards a real championship caliber roster through the draft, and by trading down can rebuild in a couple seasons. Don’t mind Kirk or Kupp in meantime, but don’t blow your wad like they did with Diggs. Believe in the process.

I don't see that they've missed their championship windows after 2 yrs. They still have about another 5 years if CJ wants to structure his next contract like Mahomes did to give him his best chance to win a championship.

 

[Texansphan]

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Here is example only, pros, cons which would be preferred draft strategy for Texans. There is one of the top WR’s available pick #25, Matthew Golden, Texas. Would y’all prefer to run up selection to podium or listen to offers, in this case the Colts?

Texans dropping down to #45 from #25 but adding three extra quality players plus 4th’s in 2026 & 2027. My thoughts are as nice as it would be to add Golden, with these & our own picks you could transform both trenches, OL & DL. Get younger, cheaper and more talented. Also adding terrific WR in his own Jalen Royals, pass catching, dynamic RB in Brashard Smith, SMU and TE Thomas Fidone II.

You could choose different edge or interior DT, but both are great fits here, Lance Zierlein compares Umanmielen to Whitney Mercilus. Omarr Norman-Lott is undersized interior defender specializing in penetration and havoc creation. On OL, specifically LG, Savaiinaea’s size works to his advantage and he could become a serviceable starting guard, plus swing tackle in emergency. Projecting Luke Kandra to RG, 6-5 319lbs, top bench rep for OL 33.

Again, just examples of taking on player top of your board vs, plugging needs on roster. I like this also because your taking away Colts 4th round picks three years in a row!

Sure BPA has its pros, but I like the idea of BPA at points of needs. For example, say your team has need for OL, WR, Safety and LB - you take the best player available from one of those position groups. This way you don't reach too far if there isn't one right there on your pick.
Now if there is a bona fide stud available at your pick, there will likely be offers for a trade or you take him anyway.
If it's a QB, there will be offers

 

[beerlover]

I don't see that they've missed their championship windows after 2 yrs. They still have about another 5 years if CJ wants to structure his next contract like Mahomes did to give him his best chance to win a championship.

CJ is David Mulugheta client, that’s not happening. You think he lets Texans push Stingley out another 3 years?

 

[steelbtexan]

CJ is David Mulugheta client, that’s not happening. You think he lets Texans push Stingley out another 3 years?

I still think even though CJ' and his piece of trash agent could care less about winning championships, there are work arounds, look at how the Eagles do business as a guide. The McNair's just have to front out more money in terms of signing bonuses if they want to compete with orgs like the Eagles for championships. The foundation has been set to have a playoff level team for a long time. It's up to ownership if they want to be a championship level org. One thing that gives me hope is the McNair's know if they can win a SB in the next 2-3 yrs that the McNair's getting the new stadium they crave will be a shoo in. It's all about the money in more ways than one and I think Cal/Hannah are aware of this.

BTW, tell me how good of a blocker is Terrance Ferguson and is he worth a top 100 pick, or would he be closer to the 4-115-4-130 range IYO? His blocking would decide how high I would draft him. He's a really good receiver that can stretch the seams and is a good YAC guy IMHO.

 

[beerlover]

I still think even though CJ' and his piece of trash agent could care less about winning championships, there are work arounds, look at how the Eagles do business as a guide. The McNair's just have to front out more money in terms of signing bonuses if they want to compete with orgs like the Eagles for championships. The foundation has been set to have a playoff level team for a long time. It's up to ownership if they want to be a championship level org. One thing that gives me hope is the McNair's know if they can win a SB in the next 2-3 yrs that the McNair's getting the new stadium they crave will be a shoo in. It's all about the money in more ways than one and I think Cal/Hannah are aware of this.

BTW, tell me how good of a blocker is Terrance Ferguson and is he worth a top 100 pick, or would he be closer to the 4-115-4-130 range IYO? His blocking would decide how high I would draft him. He's a really good receiver that can stretch the seams and is a good YAC guy IMHO.

If anyone else says, look at how the Eagles do it, I’m walking away. They stand alone.

 

[steelbtexan]

If anyone else says, look at how the Eagles do it, I’m walking away. They stand alone.

They're a smart org whose owner puts winning 1st and until other owners (Not just the McNair's) start operating the way the Eagles do their orgs are swimming upstream.

Tell me about Ferguson's blocking?

 

[badboy]

So you would rather select Matthew Golden than trying to fortify more needs and manage roster payroll moving forward? Interesting

Yes. I think Golden is going to be an elite wide receiver at a prime need position that is a playmaker that fits one of my goals of putting points on the board or taking points off the board such as a defensive back. If I remember correctly, 1.25 rookie draft pool is around 2 million for first year. We can manage his salary for 4 years. After reworking Collins, we still have millions in cap space that can be created for this year.

 

[badboy]

Have to say I’m a bit surprised with you as well. DeMeco can bring out the best in any of these defensive picks. Heard they’re likely to let two starters walk from DL in FA. Thats just for starters, not to mention what they may do to OL. In actual mock, given need @ WR, I would pick Royals rd.2. There is a lot of flexibility that comes with more draft equity.

Royals would be a good pic. Are you only addressing wide receiver one time in the top three rounds?

 

[Porky]

I'm not drafting oline when I can get that in free agency. Again, the Texans don't have a lb, safety, or nickle who can cover a slot/te. That's been a problem and remains one. My opinion doesn't count, but bpa is the safety from SC. I said this even before the combine. They can get a guard/center via free agency as well as a couple wrs for a decent price.

What do you think about Jaydee Baron? After the combine I have added him and Golden as prime targets if they make it to 25….which is debatable.f

 

[OptimisticTexan]

This would be my approach:

1. Cut Howard and Mason after June 1st. Get 24M+ back into cap play.

2. Use Cap money to start the extensions.

3. I’m gonna kick the tires on signing DHop as a Slot WR bridge for a season with a second season option. I’m also getting DHop on an incentive laden contract, so his financial impact is of little concern. DHop is a veteran savvy receiver who could supply CJ answers in the Slot.

4. My draft answer areas of need.
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RD1: LG- Jackson (Ohio State) Immediately fills the LG position.

RD2: DT- Collins (Texas) Immediately fill the DT run stuffer need.

RD3: WR- Thornton Jr (Tennessee) Will be a beast opposite Nico. DHop would benefit tremendously with these receivers on the outside.

RD4: DE- Robinson (Nebraska) Would work behind Hunter. He’s the replacement answer at DE if Hunter’s financial expectations are too high.

RD5: RB- Sampson (Tennessee) Will be an excellent RB2 with speed to burn. He’ll even become a stronger receiver and blocker working with Mixon.

RD7: SS- Wright (Vanderbilt) He’s a big (6-4 @ 227 lbs / 10.85 - 100 meters) SS who can work the box and cover. While he’s improving his ability to play as a starter….he’s a solid ST addition. I traded into the 219th pick by giving up pick 243 and 2026 RD7. His position in the draft is purely speculation at this point and could change after the Vandy Pro Day.

 

[beerlover]

Royals would be a good pic. Are you only addressing wide receiver one time in the top three rounds?

All contingent on who’s available? Certainly not opposed to taking two if opportunity presents itself, heck that could be ideal, depending what they do in FA. Also another great reason to trade down and add that extra pick to use on need.

 

[beerlover]

They're a smart org whose owner puts winning 1st and until other owners (Not just the McNair's) start operating the way the Eagles do their orgs are swimming upstream.

Tell me about Ferguson's blocking?

Not too good. Stover is better run blocker, both struggle on the line but expect Cade to be much better version second season.

 

[badboy]

All contingent on who’s available? Certainly not opposed to taking two if opportunity presents itself, heck that could be ideal, depending what they do in FA. Also another great reason to trade down and add that extra pick to use on need.

Unlike most, I think the new cap space from Collins rework is going to be for a different position than wide receiver in free agency. I could also see it going towards Stingley but that's not my first thought. Also, unlike many although I think some are coming around, I do not think that Nick is going to dip into free agency for an impressive guard starter [Will Fries ] nor will he draft one in the top two rounds. Having said that, we basically have one wide receiver that's any good. We had six WR's last season and Hutchison and Metchie were Jags. I think I'm doing the Lone Ranger this offseason in free agency as I do not see anyone out there that I want as a wide receiver. I think we have to draft at least two that could be significant starters to match up with Collins. An X like Golden / Tre Harris or a Y/slot like Bech or even Bond is what we need. Fannin as a high SLOT/TE would be successful but play him as he was in college not try to remake him into what has not worked for us so far.

Here is an idea that absolutely no one anywhere has mentioned. Draft Jack Sawyer and also use him as the Nickelback against tight ends when you need him. I could only imagine the schemes Demeco could use him in.

The Longhorns Alfred Collins is everything people are asking for for defensive tackle. He clogs the middle and defends accidentally against passes. Yet he is rarely mentioned.

 

[badboy]

Not too good. Stover is better run blocker, both struggle on the line but expect Cade to be much better version second season.

If you are correct and I hope you are about Cade stover, all talk should end concerning bringing in another tight end by draft or free agency in my opinion.

 

[badboy]

This would be my approach:

1. Cut Howard and Mason after June 1st. Get 24M+ back into cap play.

2. Use Cap money to start the extensions.

3. I’m gonna kick the tires on signing DHop as a Slot WR bridge for a season with a second season option. I’m also getting DHop on an incentive laden contract, so his financial impact is of little concern. DHop is a veteran savvy receiver who could supply CJ answers in the Slot.

4. My draft answer areas of need.
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RD1: LG- Jackson (Ohio State) Immediately fills the LG position.

RD2: DT- Collins (Texas) Immediately fill the DT run stuffer need.

RD3: WR- Thornton Jr (Tennessee) Will be a beast opposite Nico. DHop would benefit tremendously with these receivers on the outside.

RD4: DE- Robinson (Nebraska) Would work behind Hunter. He’s the replacement answer at DE if Hunter’s financial expectations are too high.

RD5: RB- Sampson (Tennessee) Will be an excellent RB2 with speed to burn. He’ll even become a stronger receiver and blocker working with Mixon.

RD7: SS- Wright (Vanderbilt) He’s a big (6-4 @ 227 lbs / 10.85 - 100 meters) SS who can work the box and cover. While he’s improving his ability to play as a starter….he’s a solid ST addition. I traded into the 219th pick by giving up pick 243 and 2026 RD7. His position in the draft is purely speculation at this point and could change after the Vandy Pro Day.

1. You know that I have been pushing cutting those two and reinvesting that cash for a long time. Just FYI to the board, two June 1st post cuts can be decided at any time after the season begins and teams do not have to wait till June 2nd. Other post June 1st cuts can be made.

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

Here is example only, pros, cons which would be preferred draft strategy for Texans. There is one of the top WR’s available pick #25, Matthew Golden, Texas. Would y’all prefer to run up selection to podium or listen to offers, in this case the Colts?

I'd have run a 4.29 up to the podium to select Golden.

 

[steelbtexan]

I'd have run a 4.29 up to the podium to select Golden.

Put Nico/Golden/Kirk together and draft Mason Taylor at 2-58 and you have real weapons. You can find a god OG in the 3rd rd even if you have to trade up. Milum/Ratlege/Anthony Belton/Emory Jones/and one of the most athletic OG's in the draft Jackson Slater. I also expect Caserio to sign an OG in FA.

 

[beerlover]

Expecting Golden/Kirk moving needle more than Tank/Diggs is definition of insanity.

What did Golden do on tape? 2014- 58 receptions, 9 TD’s, 987 yards 17.0 avg. vs Diggs last season in Buffalo 2023 - 107 receptions, 8 TD’s, 1,183 yards 11.1 avg. Both Kirk & Diggs suffered season ending injuries. In fact is so similar it’s scary, but everyone expects a different outcome.

 

[KoolAid Sipper]

Expecting Golden/Kirk moving needle more than Tank/Diggs is definition of insanity.

What did Golden do on tape? 2014- 58 receptions, 9 TD’s, 987 yards 17.0 avg. vs Diggs last season in Buffalo 2023 - 107 receptions, 8 TD’s, 1,183 yards 11.1 avg. Both Kirk & Diggs suffered season ending injuries. In fact is so similar it’s scary, but everyone expects a different outcome.

I think the hope is that the needle will move differently due to a different play caller. Also both Diggs and Tank have to be replaced and unfortunately no one on the roster has shown they have the potential to do that.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

Put Nico/Golden/Kirk together and draft Mason Taylor at 2-58 and you have real weapons. You can find a god OG in the 3rd rd even if you have to trade up. Milum/Ratlege/Anthony Belton/Emory Jones/and one of the most athletic OG's in the draft Jackson Slater. I also expect Caserio to sign an OG in FA.

Mathew Golden / Texas / SEC / 5-11 @ 191 lbs / 4.29-40 / C: 58 - Y: 987 - A: 17.0 - TD: 9 - Long 54 Yds

Dont’e Thornton Jr / Tennessee / 6-5 @ 209 lbs / 4.30-40 / C: 26 - Y: 661 - A: 25.4 - TD: 6 - Long 86 Yds

I believe both players have high ceilings and could fill a position of need. The Vols inability to really capitalize on Thornton’s ability is a head scratcher after he transferred from Oregon. I just like the size and speed he’s bringing to the table….and judging by that insane 25.4 YPC, it’ll be interesting to see what his numbers look like with Nico on the other side and CJ throwing the ball.

 

[leebigeztx]

Mukuba is a better player and can be had in the 2nd rd. I also like Kevin Winston Jr. quite a bit. To fix the ol, TE groups it's going to take a combination of fa, draft, trades to fix this mess.

I don't think Mukuba is as good as Emmorori/Nick. I know Mukuba from a personal pov, I watched alot of NE and he's just a different guy who can do alot more.

 

[leebigeztx]

Unlike most, I think the new cap space from Collins rework is going to be for a different position than wide receiver in free agency. I could also see it going towards Stingley but that's not my first thought. Also, unlike many although I think some are coming around, I do not think that Nick is going to dip into free agency for an impressive guard starter [Will Fries ] nor will he draft one in the top two rounds. Having said that, we basically have one wide receiver that's any good. We had six WR's last season and Hutchison and Metchie were Jags. I think I'm doing the Lone Ranger this offseason in free agency as I do not see anyone out there that I want as a wide receiver. I think we have to draft at least two that could be significant starters to match up with Collins. An X like Golden / Tre Harris or a Y/slot like Bech or even Bond is what we need. Fannin as a high SLOT/TE would be successful but play him as he was in college not try to remake him into what has not worked for us so far.

Here is an idea that absolutely no one anywhere has mentioned. Draft Jack Sawyer and also use him as the Nickelback against tight ends when you need him. I could only imagine the schemes Demeco could use him in.

The Longhorns Alfred Collins is everything people are asking for for defensive tackle. He clogs the middle and defends accidentally against passes. Yet he is rarely mentioned.

Why draft Sawyer when you can just draft the kid from South Carolina to matchup vs te's?

 

[badboy]

I don't think Mukuba is as good as Emmorori/Nick. I know Mukuba from a personal pov, I watched alot of NE and he's just a different guy who can do alot more.

Emmanwori > Mukuba
Emmanwori < Mukuba in round 3 allowing you to use round one on another player.

 

[badboy]

Why draft Sawyer when you can just draft the kid from South Carolina to matchup vs te's?

Because Emmanwori won't get you sacks like Sawyer and you don't face top of the line tight ends every game.

Those few great powerful tight ends are what people are focusing on.

 

[steelbtexan]

Mathew Golden / Texas / SEC / 5-11 @ 191 lbs / 4.29-40 / C: 58 - Y: 987 - A: 17.0 - TD: 9 - Long 54 Yds

Dont’e Thornton Jr / Tennessee / 6-5 @ 209 lbs / 4.30-40 / C: 26 - Y: 661 - A: 25.4 - TD: 6 - Long 86 Yds

I believe both players have high ceilings and could fill a position of need. The Vols inability to really capitalize on Thornton’s ability is a head scratcher after he transferred from Oregon. I just like the size and speed he’s bringing to the table….and judging by that insane 25.4 YPC, it’ll be interesting to see what his numbers look like with Nico on the other side and CJ throwing the ball.

Agreed, what rd do you think he goes in? I bet he goes a rd or 2 higher than most draftniks think.

My top 3 sleepers are TeSlaa/Thornton/Tory Horton.

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

Expecting Golden/Kirk moving needle more than Tank/Diggs is definition of insanity.

What did Golden do on tape? 2014- 58 receptions, 9 TD’s, 987 yards 17.0 avg. vs Diggs last season in Buffalo 2023 - 107 receptions, 8 TD’s, 1,183 yards 11.1 avg. Both Kirk & Diggs suffered season ending injuries. In fact is so similar it’s scary, but everyone expects a different outcome.

Dang now im insane?

You also told me Kyle Hamilton wouldnt be a good NFL player because he was to slow and the nfl was a fast league now.

Insanity is comparing and NFL players stats to a college players. And No one said theyd move the needle more than anyone although ots not like that would be extremely difficult anyways.

 

[leebigeztx]

Because Emmanwori won't get you sacks like Sawyer and you don't face top of the line tight ends every game.

Those few great powerful tight ends are what people are focusing on.

Sacks isn't a problem, coverage is and not from cb position. It's tes and slot guys whom they can't cover. Sawyer is what, gonna back up Anderson and Hunter?

I remember having this conversation about Kyle Hamilton vs Green/Pitre. NE is an elite player and special athlete. He has great ball skills and really good in coverage. That's an issue as usual. He's going to be a problem in the nfl I feel. Go watch south Carolina games and you will see.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

Agreed, what rd do you think he goes in? I bet he goes a rd or 2 higher than most draftniks think.

My top 3 sleepers are TeSlaa/Thornton/Tory Horton.

I’m thinking he’s going in RD3 or early RD4. Maybe the Nico area.

TesLaa is going to be a sleeper in the Slot. If he plays behind Kirk in the Slot, Metchie could be made available before the season starts or at the deadline.

 

[steelbtexan]

Expecting Golden/Kirk moving needle more than Tank/Diggs is definition of insanity.

What did Golden do on tape? 2014- 58 receptions, 9 TD’s, 987 yards 17.0 avg. vs Diggs last season in Buffalo 2023 - 107 receptions, 8 TD’s, 1,183 yards 11.1 avg. Both Kirk & Diggs suffered season ending injuries. In fact is so similar it’s scary, but everyone expects a different outcome.

Totally disagree with this. Kirk if healthy is a better slot than Tank.

Diggs has aged into more of a possession receiver than a downfield threat. Golden has the ability to threaten a defense vertically and anlso run various crossing routes. He's a complete receiver who was very clutch for my Horns last yr. Only downside is he will have an occasional drop. He high points/contested catches the ball really well too. He's the real deal. I would still take Warren or Loveland over him though.

 

[badboy]

Dang now im insane?

You also told me Kyle Hamilton wouldnt be a good NFL player because he was to slow and the nfl was a fast league now.

Insanity is comparing and NFL players stats to a college players. And No one said theyd move the needle more than anyone although ots not like that would be extremely difficult anyways.

Do not worry about it! Patsy Cline made a fortune off of being crazy.
Some guy named Willie made a few nickels also on it I think.

 

[beerlover]

Dang now im insane?

You also told me Kyle Hamilton wouldnt be a good NFL player because he was to slow and the nfl was a fast league now.

Insanity is comparing and NFL players stats to a college players. And No one said theyd move the needle more than anyone although ots not like that would be extremely difficult anyways.

would love to actually see that comment for context. He ran a solid 40, 4.59 believe my concerns related to his knee injury, translating to his short area quickness and change of direction. But he looked better @ his Pro-Day, 4.56. So warmed up to taking him #13 along with Jordan Davis. Of course when he got to Baltimore it was perfect fit to take advantage of his size and length.

Comparing stats is stats regardless, with small sample sizes. Your missing point, hope it’s not the case. Caserio releasing Shaq Mason & signing Kirk is a good start. My point was to rebuild with different approach, multiple additions on cheap (draft picks and great value free agents). Will find out what Kirk contract translates in the end, hoping for 2 year deal around 24 million with some guaranteed money and bonus to lower cap hit.

 

[leebigeztx]

Totally disagree with this. Kirk if healthy is a better slot than Tank.

Diggs has aged into more of a possession receiver than a downfield threat. Golden has the ability to threaten a defense vertically and anlso run various crossing routes. He's a complete receiver who was very clutch for my Horns last yr. Only downside is he will have an occasional drop. He high points/contested catches the ball really well too. He's the real deal. I would still take Warren or Loveland over him though.

For years the Steelers would take wrs who were good at 2 or 3 routes and it made their core dangerous. They would always have a deep shot player like the man from ole miss or Bryant, etc. Thornton is kinda like the guy who proceeded him Hyatt. If he's there in the 4th rd, he would be by choice. All he needs to run are go routes, dagger, and stop routes. His speed and size are going to create coverage situations.

 

[leebigeztx]

would love to actually see that comment for context. He ran a solid 40, 4.59 believe my concerns related to his knee injury, translating to his short area quickness and change of direction. But he looked better @ his Pro-Day, 4.56. So warmed up to taking him #13 along with Jordan Davis. Of course when he got to Baltimore it was perfect fit to take advantage of his size and length.

Comparing stats is stats regardless, with small sample sizes. Your missing point, hope it’s not the case. Caserio releasing Shaq Mason & signing Kirk is a good start. My point was to rebuild with different approach, multiple additions on cheap (draft picks and great value free agents). Will find out what Kirk contract translates in the end, hoping for 2 year deal around 24 million with some guaranteed money and bonus to lower cap hit.

I've always wanted Kirk. I thought he was coming in return with the Hopkins trade. He's a slot, but he's more of a vertical slot. His last injury doesn't concern me, it was a broken collarbone.

 

[steelbtexan]

I've always wanted Kirk. I thought he was coming in return with the Hopkins trade. He's a slot, but he's more of a vertical slot. His last injury doesn't concern me, it was a broken collarbone.

He can play outside too. Imagine signing Elijah Moore paired with Collins and Kirk. Draft Loveland if he falls to 1-26. Gotta find an OL or two, but that would be an offense worthy of the Texans defense.

 

[beerlover]

I've always wanted Kirk. I thought he was coming in return with the Hopkins trade. He's a slot, but he's more of a vertical slot. His last injury doesn't concern me, it was a broken collarbone.

Truth be known, if Stingley dropped to #13 I was all in, stealing him. I’m not a doctor but listen to them on all prospects, weigh-in recovery projections heavily, maybe too heavily, Texans have had their share of medical calamities.