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Texans off season needs.

badboy said:
I am interested in bringing in Right Guard Trey Smith from Kansas City, however it looks like the Chiefs may now be considering using the transition tag on him which is cheaper than the franchise tag. It would be 21 million approximately and they still need to fit it under the cap somehow.
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I am hearing that the Chiefs have declined to use either one of the free agent tags on Trey Smith.
 
Porky said:
Trey Smith probably going to cost too much. Let’s get a guy a class down for a lot less.
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Ok .. who? Will Fries is already on my list for Right Guard with Smith taking over at left guard. Who is that next level for a whole lot less money? Smith is only 25 years old now and could be around for another 10 years if we choose and his abilities / health holds up. These are the type of free agents we need to be bringing in that will be around for a while if we choose. There can be money made available.
$18 million APY is not expensive for one of the overall top free agents on the market. Yes Smith had a bad game against the Eagles and did the entire team.
Everyone needs to remember that apy can be adjusted over the contract. For example we could have him for only $6 million this season.
 
badboy said:
Ok .. who? Will Fries is already on my list for Right Guard with Smith taking over at left guard. Who is that next level for a whole lot less money? Smith is only 25 years old now and could be around for another 10 years if we choose and his abilities / health holds up. These are the type of free agents we need to be bringing in that will be around for a while if we choose. There can be money made available.
$18 million APY is not expensive for one of the overall top free agents on the market. Yes Smith had a bad game against the Eagles and did the entire team.
Everyone needs to remember that apy can be adjusted over the contract. For example we could have him for only $6 million this season.
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Guys like Joe Noteboom/Teven Jenkins/Brady Christensen come to mind.

Would be upgrades.
 
I’m not opposed to Smith, he would be an upgrade even though he wasn’t impressive in the SB.

But this team spends an inordinate amount of money on the offensive line for subpar results so I’m gun shy.

If it happens I will be excited, but steel b has a few that would cost less and I would be happy with anyone on his list too.
 
Porky said:
I’m not opposed to Smith, he would be an upgrade even though he wasn’t impressive in the SB.

But this team spends an inordinate amount of money on the offensive line for subpar results so I’m gun shy.

If it happens I will be excited, but steel b has a few that would cost less and I would be happy with anyone on his list too.
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I bought a Cadillac Eldorado years ago and took a loss on it. I did not stop buying what I thought were quality vehicles. Sometimes you're the dog sometimes you're the tree.
 
Spotrac has these players at these projected salaries

Tutu Atwell- 4.0 mil
Demarcus Robinson- 3.0 mil
Brady Christensen- 2.3 mil
Joe Noteboom - 1.9 mil.
Teven Jenkins 10.3 mil or 30 mil over 3 yrs
 
badboy said:
I see them as upgrades only but not what we need for the future. I want to see Nick go for the fences.
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If he was to draft say Booker and sign Jenkins, then daft a TE that can both block and catch the offense would look so much better.

For 17.3 mil you could have Jenkins/Atwell/Robinson. Draft Booker/DL/CB/S/RB and lets roll.

Give me Booker/Darius Alexander/Mukuba and I'm happy.
 
steelbtexan said:
Spotrac has these players at these projected salaries

Tutu Atwell- 4.0 mil
Demarcus Robinson- 3.0 mil
Brady Christensen- 2.3 mil
Joe Noteboom - 1.9 mil.
Teven Jenkins 10.3 mil or 30 mil over 3 yrs
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Tutu Atwell is the only one on this list I'd be interested in and he's not a WR2 but could be a weapon in the same sense as Tank Dell.
Teven Jenkins is a very good lineman but he's an injury machine.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
Tutu Atwell is the only one on this list I'd be interested in and he's not a WR2 but could be a weapon in the same sense as Tank Dell.
Teven Jenkins is a very good lineman but he's an injury machine.
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Robinson was very good for the Rams when Kupp, Puka were out last year. He's a down field threat and knows the offense. Moore is also very underrated.
 
steelbtexan said:
Slayton isn't worth that kind of money.

Robinson was productive after Kupp/Nucua went down. So was Atwell for that matter and they already know the offense. They're talented players and you can get both of them for less than what Slayton will cost.

Slayton isn't that much better than Robinson as an outside receiver and comes at a much cheaper cost. Robinson, like Slayton while not elite has proven he can win outside the numbers. Slayton is a good player but he's not Higgins/Smith/Metcalf etc...
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Nobody is saying he will be paid like them. 15m is baseline for a non pro bowl #2. When using Slayton vs Attwell and Robinson, you must factor in qb. Slayton had Jones and other trash vs Stafford. Slayton is also 28 and has been the only threat or #1 threat. Robinson nor Atwell can say that. Hell, Robinson also played with Mahomes if I'm not mistaken.
 
leebigeztx said:
Mehki Becton at right guard could be like Leonard Davis when he moved to guard. Becton is a former top 10 pick but played well for Philly last year
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He did well but it was with arguably the best OL and OL coach in the NFL in a contract year. I wouldn't blame him for going to the highest bidder, but I'd be nervous signing him. If I were him, I'd stay in Philly 1 or 2 more years refining his game with consistency and then cash in on a mega deal. He's still young at 25.
 
JB said:
You think he'll leave Philly without being guaranteed an OT spot?
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I think he's a guard like Leonard Davis. Davis from Texas went 5 or 6th like Becton and struggled at LT. Contract was up, signed with Dallas and had a very good career at guard. I think Becton is on the same path. I think the Texans could offer him Shaq Mason money and you you would have your right guard for the next 5 yrs.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
He did well but it was with arguably the best OL and OL coach in the NFL in a contract year. I wouldn't blame him for going to the highest bidder, but I'd be nervous signing him. If I were him, I'd stay in Philly 1 or 2 more years refining his game with consistency and then cash in on a mega deal. He's still young at 25.
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He was a reclamation project because he was cut by the Jets
 
leebigeztx said:
I think he's a guard like Leonard Davis. Davis from Texas went 5 or 6th like Becton and struggled at LT. Contract was up, signed with Dallas and had a very good career at guard. I think Becton is on the same path. I think the Texans could offer him Shaq Mason money and you you would have your right guard for the next 5 yrs.
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I agree he's a guard but he was starting RG for the super bowl team. I don't think he'll leave to be a guard for another team unless Philly just doesn't want him back and I think they do
 
leebigeztx said:
I think he's a guard like Leonard Davis. Davis from Texas went 5 or 6th like Becton and struggled at LT. Contract was up, signed with Dallas and had a very good career at guard. I think Becton is on the same path. I think the Texans could offer him Shaq Mason money and you you would have your right guard for the next 5 yrs.
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I like this a lot

His injury history does bother me though.

Want to make Patterson better, Sign Becton and keep him healthy. Then draft Booker Jackson or Zabel to play LG

Heck, Becton could even make Howard and Fisher look better.
 
steelbtexan said:
Bet they dont pay him 14 mil or so it will take to keep him.

With his injury history I cant say that I blame them
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I think he'll take less to stay there unless they just don't want him but I can't see that. Not everyone is as greedy
 
steelbtexan said:
Robinson was very good for the Rams when Kupp, Puka were out last year. He's a down field threat and knows the offense. Moore is also very underrated.
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Robinson is a soon to be 31yr old JAG. Sign Slayton (you wanted him around trade deadline 😜) and draft Jalen Royals. Then (value is gonna suck) trade Kenyon Green and Metchie to our friends in Cleveland for a 2025 4th and a 2026 6th rd swap. Use that 4th on Brashard Smith...offensive weapons solved.
 
JB said:
I think he'll take less to stay there unless they just don't want him but I can't see that. Not everyone is as greedy
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Becton reminds me of the kind of guy that will go with whoever pays him the most money. He also reminds me of the kind of guy that wont take care of his body once he gets paid. But if I'm wrong he's the best OG in this FA class by a wide margin and would solve the RG issues for the next 4-5 years. Of course he's perfectly capable of playing LG as well.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
Robinson is a soon to be 31yr old JAG. Sign Slayton (you wanted him around trade deadline 😜) and draft Jalen Royals. Then (value is gonna suck) trade Kenyon Green and Metchie to our friends in Cleveland for a 2025 4th and a 2026 6th rd swap. Use that 4th on Brashard Smith...offensive weapons solved.
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Robinson was more than a JAG last yr. He stepped up and produced when Kupp/Puka went down. I wouldn't give him more than a 2 yr deal at the most. I'm not paying an avg WR like Slayton 3 yrs 30 mil. I like Royals but you're probably going to have to use 2-58 to get him and that's to rich for my blood. He most likely will be gone before 3-89. I've got Royals as a high 3rd rd guy. Bech/Savion are the only 2 guys WR's I would pick at 2-58. I want the best TE or DT available at 2-58. I dont want to reach for a WR at 2-58.

As far as the proposed trade goes. Doubtful something like that happens. If you want an extra 4th that means wou probably will have to give up a 2026 3rd.
 
steelbtexan said:
Robinson was more than a JAG last yr. He stepped up and produced when Kupp/Puka went down. I wouldn't give him more than a 2 yr deal at the most. I'm not paying an avg WR like Slayton 3 yrs 30 mil. I like Royals but you're probably going to have to use 2-58 to get him and that's to rich for my blood. He most likely will be gone before 3-89. I've got Royals as a high 3rd rd guy. Bech/Savion are the only 2 guys WR's I would pick at 2-58. I want the best TE or DT available at 2-58. I dont want to reach for a WR at 2-58.

As far as the proposed trade goes. Doubtful something like that happens. If you want an extra 4th that means wou probably will have to give up a 2026 3rd.
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Yeah I know a trade like that would never happen, but it is wacky trade scenario season.
 
steelbtexan said:
How would you feel about adding

Elijah Moore/Demarcus Robinson at WR in FA and drafting Elijah Arroyo at 2-58 and Brashard Smith in the 5th rd? Speed/Speed/Speed at all skill positions.
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I've seen multiple mentions of Elijah Moore on this forum. IMHO, he seems to be better than Metchie but not as good as a healthy Dell. The few games I've watched him play, I see a small WR who is not really fast, has problems with physical CBs and cannot fight for contested passes. What am I missing?
 
Porky said:
Addition by subtraction. You want nasty run game? You want an attitude? A dawg mentality on the line? You aren't getting it with Tunsil.

Not to mention the issues surrounding the line leader being the unit's poorest worker. Imagine if JJ Watt, the most talented guy on that D-line, took off practice whenever he could. What if he didn't care about stopping the run, and really only gave a decent and finesse effort on pass plays? What if he spent more time on Instagram than helping and leading his teammates? What if he was soft minded instead of tenacious and a bull? And what if he took up a healthy chunk of your cap while doing it?

The guys that are your best and most talented players must have the mental attitude to match and must lead their respective units. Tunsil ain't that guy. Not sure why you can't see it as it's plain as day.

Chances are good that Tunsil will be back, so you'll likely get your wish. And I do expect modest improvement even with Tunsil. But if you want a true attitude change on the line and a total break of the soft past...and one that looks more like the hogs of the old Redskins and less like the miniature dogs hidden in women's purses, this is the way you start that process.

Chop the boil off man. It may bleed a bit at first, but in the long run you'll be better off.
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Right! But for mine, you remove the weakest link on the line and replace him with a very good one and your line immediately becomes 20% or more better.
And draft a notable rookie. This time you do more homework on the guy you choose so you don't end up with another Kenyon Green.
 
Earl34 said:
I've seen multiple mentions of Elijah Moore on this forum. IMHO, he seems to be better than Metchie but not as good as a healthy Dell. The few games I've watched him play, I see a small WR who is not really fast, has problems with physical CBs and cannot fight for contested passes. What am I missing?
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Of course he's not going to look as good as Dell with the Pervert throwing the ball to him.
 
Texansphan said:
Right! But for mine, you remove the weakest link on the line and replace him with a very good one and your line immediately becomes 20% or more better.
And draft a notable rookie. This time you do more homework on the guy you choose so you don't end up with another Kenyon Green.
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Depending on how much Caserio/Caley/Popovich feel like gambling, They could sign Becton in FA and draft Booker or Jackson in rd1. The draft Arroyo at 2-58. The Ol would look so much better.

Tunsil/Booker/Patterson/Becton/Fisher with Arroyo at TE is a big nasty physical OL.
 
steelbtexan said:
Depending on how much Caserio/Caley/Popovich feel like gambling, They could sign Becton in FA and draft Booker or Jackson in rd1. The draft Arroyo at 2-58. The Ol would look so much better.

Tunsil/Booker/Patterson/Becton/Fisher with Arroyo at TE is a big nasty physical OL.
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On paper, that OL would be better than what we currently have. But I'm still on the Fries train at RG.

Arroyo is a favorite of mine with his athleticism and route-running ability, but blocking is an area of concern in his game. Plus don't forget we still have Cade Stover, whose background is/was solid blocking. If you're looking for a more well-rounded, blocking-focused tight end, then why not Mitchell Evans from Notre Dame in the 5th round or later. He is more of a traditional in-line tight end who should contribute immediately in the run game.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
On paper, that OL would be better than what we currently have. But I'm still on the Fries train at RG.

Arroyo is a favorite of mine with his athleticism and route-running ability, but blocking is an area of concern in his game. Plus don't forget we still have Cade Stover, whose background is/was solid blocking. If you're looking for a more well-rounded, blocking-focused tight end, then why not Mitchell Evans from Notre Dame in the 5th round or later. He is more of a traditional in-line tight end who should contribute immediately in the run game.
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I would be totally Ok with an OL of Tunsil/Booker/Patterson/Fries/Fisher. I do think Fries is going to get paid more than any OG in FA. I'm certainly not against that type of investment. I really like Evans too. He's about as good as Arroyo. How's is his blocking, from the things I've seen he's avg to slightly above avg. How do you think he's going to test at the combine and what rd do you think he goes in the draft?

After seeing Stafford highlights on twitter today, I'm firmly in the sign Demarcus Robinson to a 2 yr deal camp.
 
steelbtexan said:
I would be totally Ok with an OL of Tunsil/Booker/Patterson/Fries/Fisher. I do think Fries is going to get paid more than any OG in FA. I'm certainly not against that type of investment. I really like Evans too. He's about as good as Arroyo. How's is his blocking, from the things I've seen he's avg to slightly above avg. How do you think he's going to test at the combine and what rd do you think he goes in the draft?

After seeing Stafford highlights on twitter today, I'm firmly in the sign Demarcus Robinson to a 2 yr deal camp.
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Evans is definitely an above avg blocker, I only watched 3 regular season ND games and he blocked well when called to do so. He doesn't seem too athletic so I don't think he'll test well but I think he's a player with a high ceiling that will probably come off the board in the 5th.

Robinson is the same player we all thought of Robert Woods when we signed him a couple of seasons ago. Even with Robinson, we are still going to need a WR2.
 
steelbtexan said:
Of course he's not going to look as good as Dell with the Pervert throwing the ball to him.
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That's funny. I didn't know the Pervert played for the Jets. Also, with Watson's injuries, I wouldn't be surprised if he played more games with Winston and Flacco than he played with Watson.

So, the question still remains. Why does anyone think Moore upgrades the Texans' WR room? Am I minimizing his talent?
 
steelbtexan said:
Becton reminds me of the kind of guy that will go with whoever pays him the most money. He also reminds me of the kind of guy that wont take care of his body once he gets paid. But if I'm wrong he's the best OG in this FA class by a wide margin and would solve the RG issues for the next 4-5 years. Of course he's perfectly capable of playing LG as well.
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A guy his size, when he has a lower body injury, its a problem.
 
Earl34 said:
That's funny. I didn't know the Pervert played for the Jets. Also, with Watson's injuries, I wouldn't be surprised if he played more games with Winston and Flacco than he played with Watson.

So, the question still remains. Why does anyone think Moore upgrades the Texans' WR room? Am I minimizing his talent?
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As a slot with quickness and shiftiness is alot better than what's on this roster.
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
On paper, that OL would be better than what we currently have. But I'm still on the Fries train at RG.

Arroyo is a favorite of mine with his athleticism and route-running ability, but blocking is an area of concern in his game. Plus don't forget we still have Cade Stover, whose background is/was solid blocking. If you're looking for a more well-rounded, blocking-focused tight end, then why not Mitchell Evans from Notre Dame in the 5th round or later. He is more of a traditional in-line tight end who should contribute immediately in the run game.
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Any TE who is willing can become a good blocker. Maybe not Gronk level, but Shannon Sharpe was blocking dudes at 225 lbs. Never was an issue. If you have a guy, if healthy like Brevin Jordan who is a matchup problem, why would you have him trying to be a inline blocker.
 
JRingo said:
Let’s fleece Cleveland again…
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I have tried to come up with trades with Cleveland but just don't feel like Houston gets enough. I know some here want to give LT away but 2.33 and 67 + a round one in 2026 would be starting point.
I can see Brown trading with LV to get starters Will Johnson and Jackson Dart QB this year.

I'd insist on higher of round twos in 2026 Raiders or Browns.
 
leebigeztx said:
Any TE who is willing can become a good blocker. Maybe not Gronk level, but Shannon Sharpe was blocking dudes at 225 lbs. Never was an issue. If you have a guy, if healthy like Brevin Jordan who is a matchup problem, why would you have him trying to be a inline blocker.
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That is the thought process I see our new offensive coordinator using with Schultz. Seems to me that Schultz just does not want to block.
 
steelbtexan said:
Robinson was more than a JAG last yr. He stepped up and produced when Kupp/Puka went down. I wouldn't give him more than a 2 yr deal at the most. I'm not paying an avg WR like Slayton 3 yrs 30 mil. I like Royals but you're probably going to have to use 2-58 to get him and that's to rich for my blood. He most likely will be gone before 3-89. I've got Royals as a high 3rd rd guy. Bech/Savion are the only 2 guys WR's I would pick at 2-58. I want the best TE or DT available at 2-58. I dont want to reach for a WR at 2-58.

As far as the proposed trade goes. Doubtful something like that happens. If you want an extra 4th that means wou probably will have to give up a 2026 3rd.
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Have you looked at the wr's who make 10m a year? Gabe Davis,Mooney, and those guys are at 13m per. Jakobi Meyers and guys like that. 10-13m is the going rate for a #2/3 type of wr. The higher quality wr's are 18-20m. Slayton at 10m per for 3 yrs is a good deal. He played on a 2yr 6m per last year.
 
badboy said:
That is the thought process I see our new offensive coordinator using with Schultz. Seems to me that Schultz just does not want to block.
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Schultz can get seperation like he used to either. At some point those young athletic legs matter. Look at Likely for Baltimore vs Andrews.
 
leebigeztx said:
Schultz can get seperation like he used to either. At some point those young athletic legs matter. Look at Likely for Baltimore vs Andrews.
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I do not think that Cayley is considering the speed of Schultz. Most of what Schultz does is going to be across the middle on short slants or the tight end picking his hole. Wait that doesn't sound right?
 
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