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Trade scenarios 2025 Texans

I think we should address a lot of this trade discussion in that forum and move this back to conversation about Dalton Schultz. That will probably end it this thread as we all pretty much agree that Dalton needs to go one way or the other.
 
badboy said:
Because you insist on tunnel (Tunsil) vision. It is not Tunsil versus one player but Jackson plus what we could get for Tunsil. Yes, I would rather play a 26-year-old Jackson at left tackle versus the 31 YOA Tunsil. Also, you keep getting the amounts incorrect. If Laremy goes to Bears or Jets for example, the new team only plays his base salary of 21. If he remains on the Texans, we have the entire cap head of $29 m ~ Each year. In addition to that, the 25 Mill apy that I quoted for Jackson can be adjusted to a figure of approximately 14 to 15 million dollars in 2025. So we could look at halfing the cap costs at left tackle. That cannot be ignored.
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I'm the one with Tunnel vision

Ok

BTW, you're idea is flat out dumb, but carry on. The only way you would gain a financial advantage would be to trade Tunsil and hope a guy like Conerly was available to draft to replace Tunsil and I would be rather uncomfortable with a rookie protecting CJ blindside given the current state of the ol. You still haven't explained why a team like the Bears would trade for Tunsil instead of just signing Jackson in FA and keeping their picks unless you think Tunsil is so much better than Jackson that it would be worth the picks to trade for Tunsil. Or even if they didn't sign Jackson or trade for Tunsil don't you think it would be smarter for Pace to sit still at 1-10 and pick either Simmons or Conerly and save the money, picks by not having to pay Tunsil or Jackson?

It must be the off-season, every year you come up with these hypothetical trades to get rid of Tunsil and every year they either restructure Tunsil or sign him to an extension. My deal is I think Tunsil is a top 10 LT and if they're going to replace him (which they're not) they need to have somebody as good as Tunsil to replace Tunsil.
 
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badboy said:
I think we should address a lot of this trade discussion in that forum and move this back to conversation about Dalton Schultz. That will probably end it this thread as we all pretty much agree that Dalton needs to go one way or the other.
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Good idea. FYI, anytime you feel a discussion should be moved you can hit the "QUOTE" button on that post, you can even highlight a section of a post, then click "QUOTE" go to the appropriate thread & select "INSERT QUOTE" in the reply box, then continue that discussion in the new thread.
 
thunderkyss said:
Good idea. FYI, anytime you feel a discussion should be moved you can hit the "QUOTE" button on that post, you can even highlight a section of a post, then click "QUOTE" go to the appropriate thread & select "INSERT QUOTE" in the reply box, then continue that discussion in the new thread.
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Yes thanks but the conversation continues in original thread .
 
Laremy Tunsil For Micah Parsons.

Anderson on the left. Hunter on the right and Micah in the middle. SCARY! Trade up and get a LT with our first or pick up a reliable veteran in FA.
 
badboy said:
Because you insist on tunnel (Tunsil) vision. It is not Tunsil versus one player but Jackson plus what we could get for Tunsil. Yes, I would rather play a 26-year-old Jackson at left tackle versus the 31 YOA Tunsil. Also, you keep getting the amounts incorrect. If Laremy goes to Bears or Jets for example, the new team only plays his base salary of 21. If he remains on the Texans, we have the entire cap head of $29 m ~ Each year. In addition to that, the 25 Mill apy that I quoted for Jackson can be adjusted to a figure of approximately 14 to 15 million dollars in 2025. So we could look at halfing the cap costs at left tackle. That cannot be ignored.
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I just read that PFF thinks Alaric Jackson's contract could be 14.5 million apy while spotrac says 18 apy. That would be amazing.
 
mussop said:
Laremy Tunsil For Micah Parsons.

Anderson on the left. Hunter on the right and Micah in the middle. SCARY! Trade up and get a LT with our first or pick up a reliable veteran in FA.
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$35 million APY .. shudder.. no thanks.https://www.google.com/search?q=what+would+a+Micah+Parson+extension+look+like&oq=what+would+a+Micah+Parson+extension+look+like&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIJCAEQIRgKGKABMgkIAhAhGAoYoAEyCQgDECEYChigATIJCAQQIRgKGKABMgkIBRAhGAoYoAEyBwgGECEYqwLSAQYtMWowajmoAgCwAgE&client=ms-android-verizon-us-rvc3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
 
badboy said:
I just read that PFF thinks Alaric Jackson's contract could be 14.5 million apy while spotrac says 18 apy. That would be amazing.
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I’d be pretty dang happy with this trade, but why would the Rams let him walk? He’s still cheaper than Tunsil and he’s light years better as a run blocker.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I’d be pretty dang happy with this trade, but why would the Rams let him walk? He’s still cheaper than Tunsil and he’s light years better as a run blocker.
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Several sources for some time now that I have been following say that he is not necessarily considered a franchise left tackle by the Rams. I totally disagree.
 
badboy said:
Several sources for some time now that I have been following say that he is not necessarily considered a franchise left tackle by the Rams. I totally disagree.
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There's a reason for this, McVay rarely makes mistakes.
 
badboy said:
Then there should be no hesitancy in allowing Jackson to go elsewhere and we know that there is hesitancy. Added into that is the cap space.
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Do we?

And if you were say the Bears GM and you needed a LT, would you spend draft capital say on the cheap side 2-39/2-41 for Tunsil. Or would you sign Jackson in FA for less than you would have to pay Tunsil.
 
steelbtexan said:
Do we?

And if you were say the Bears GM and you needed a LT, would you spend draft capital say on the cheap side 2-39/2-41 for Tunsil. Or would you sign Jackson in FA for less than you would have to pay Tunsil.
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I have already answered. If I were the Bears general manager I would jump at the chance to trade 1.10 and at least one of the round twos. If the Texans held firm, I would give them all three picks. I would also do my best to bring in Trey Smith . Again, you keep equating player to player and that's not the purpose of the trade.
 
badboy said:
I have already answered. If I were the Bears general manager I would jump at the chance to trade 1.10 and at least one of the round twos. If the Texans held firm, I would give them all three picks. I would also do my best to bring in Trey Smith . Again, you keep equating player to player and that's not the purpose of the trade.
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Not at all

I just think you're being unrealistic.

Of course as a fan I get why you're that way.

No way Chicago does that deal when they can just sign Jackson and keep their picks and keep adding talent to their team. I'm pretty sure they would rather sign Jackson in FA, draft Banks at 1-10 and draft Zabel at 2-39, not only from a financial standpoint, but also from adding talented players on rookie contracts to fill 3 major needs instead of 2 major needs at a great financiaal cost. Trading for Tunsil/Signing Smith will probably cost around 50 mil vs signing Jackson in FA and having 2 talented players on rookie deals. The diffence is probably around 25-30 mil in savings. You know this and that's what surprises me about your posts. You're a fiscal hawk when it comes to the Texans cap. Not so much when it comes to the Bears cap. Anyways my Bears fan friend tells me they're going after Dahlman and not Smith in FA.
 
steelbtexan said:
Not at all

I just think you're being unrealistic.

Of course as a fan I get why you're that way.

No way Chicago does that deal when they can just sign Jackson and keep their picks and keep adding talent to their team. I'm pretty sure they would rather sign Jackson in FA, draft Banks at 1-10 and draft Zabel at 2-39, not only from a financial standpoint, but also from adding talented players on rookie contracts to fill 3 major needs instead of 2 major needs at a great financiaal cost. Trading for Tunsil/Signing Smith will probably cost around 50 mil vs signing Jackson in FA and having 2 talented players on rookie deals. The diffence is probably around 25-30 mil in savings. You know this and that's what surprises me about your posts. You're a fiscal hawk when it comes to the Texans cap. Not so much when it comes to the Bears cap. Anyways my Bears fan friend tells me they're going after Dahlman and not Smith in FA.
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Well yeah, but remind your Bears fan friend that Dalman is a center.. and just a Jag at pass blocking. Not saying the Bears won't go after him but does not do anything for their needs at left tackle and offensive guard.
Banks at 10 is enticing and whom some mocks have Chicago taking. However, he does not bring anywhere near the prestige and PR that a Pro Bowl Tunsil would bring. Left Tackle is definitely more prestigious than left guard. Chicago knows what Tunsil brings and only guess at Banks in the nfl.

Bears have 64 to 70 million in cap space depending on what the final total is and that is without any player adjustment.

$21 m for LT & ~$18 for Trey Smith not near $50 you suggest. Your friend could get his center.
Probable new owner George McCaskey will want to thrill friends and the fans with some power moves especially with their shiny new quarterback. Bears an Texans in different places.
 
badboy said:
In this draft, Tunsil is worth at least 1.10. Hunter is worth both round two's. And Howard is worth 3.72.
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Tunsil is not worth the 10th pick in the draft. Maybe 2.41 + 3.72 if the texans paid $10 million of each year of his salary.
Not sure what one year of Hunter is worth, but not 2 2nds.
You'd have to give the Bears a 3rd to take Howard's contract.
 
Lucky said:
Tunsil is not worth the 10th pick in the draft. Maybe 2.41 + 3.72 if the texans paid $10 million of each year of his salary.
Not sure what one year of Hunter is worth, but not 2 2nds.
You'd have to give the Bears a 3rd to take Howard's contract.
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Yeah, I mentioned a Tunsil trade would never return an early RD1. Early RD2, yes.

I was even stretching it a bit when I had the Bears sending their RD1-10 for Tunsil and a 2026 RD1.

I don’t think the Texans could even expect the Bears to give up their two RD2’s (39-41) for Tunsil.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Yeah, I mentioned a Tunsil trade would never return an early RD1. Early RD2, yes.

I was even stretching it a bit when I had the Bears sending their RD1-10 for Tunsil and a 2026 RD1.

I don’t think the Texans could even expect the Bears to give up their two RD2’s (39-41) for Tunsil.
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Lucky said:
Tunsil is not worth the 10th pick in the draft. Maybe 2.41 + 3.72 if the texans paid $10 million of each year of his salary.
Not sure what one year of Hunter is worth, but not 2 2nds.
You'd have to give the Bears a 3rd to take Howard's contract.
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Ok, what college draft guy is better?
What free agent better? If you would give a 1.10 pick for Kelvin Banks rather than Tunsel, I think your nuts.
 
badboy said:
Ok, what college draft guy is better?
What free agent better? If you would give a 1.10 pick for Kelvin Banks rather than Tunsel, I think your nuts.
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I believe, as I’ve always stated, Tunsil is “a” initial contact arc pass blocker….nothing else. I believe GM’s see this as well. I’ve been talking trade since his arrival b/c of this. What really set me off was his penchant for drive killing false starts and holding calls.

I think there’s some RD1 OT’s that will be better overall LT’s, even if their pass blocking is a little lower.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
I believe, as I’ve always stated, Tunsil is “a” initial contact arc pass blocker….nothing else. I believe GM’s see this as well. I’ve been talking trade since his arrival b/c of this. What really set me off was his penchant for drive killing false starts and holding calls.

I think there’s some RD1 OT’s that will be better overall LT’s, even if their pass blocking is a little lower.
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Tunsil struggled early with false starts, but not so much later. If the coaching of concepts get alot better along with guard play, he's the least of your problems. He's never going to be a great run blocker, but he's top shelf pass protector on the blind side. Why create another hole? What have you seen to think Caserio can draft offensive line players?
 
leebigeztx said:
Tunsil struggled early with false starts, but not so much later. If the coaching of concepts get alot better along with guard play, he's the least of your problems. He's never going to be a great run blocker, but he's top shelf pass protector on the blind side. Why create another hole? What have you seen to think Caserio can draft offensive line players?
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Well, if Nick would take my suggestion and check in texanstalk.com talk more frequently, this would not be an issue.
 
badboy said:
What free agent better? If you would give a 1.10 pick for Kelvin Banks rather than Tunsel, I think your nuts.
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OK, let's live in fantasy land and the Bears give up a top 10 pick for Tunsil. Who's playing LT? Move Fisher over? OK, who's playing RT? You have to use 1.10 to get the RT? Long term. I'm not saying that's a bad move. Which is why the Bears would just take the OT at 1.10 and spend their $$$ at another position.

Tunsil is coming off his worst season as a pro. He's 31 and will be asking for an extension. And Laremy is already the 3rd highest paid LT in the league. There's absolutely no way a team will give up 5 years of a top 10 rookie contract considering all of that.
 
leebigeztx said:
Tunsil struggled early with false starts, but not so much later.
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Look, I get why some fans want to get rid of Tunsil. He had 19 penalties called against him in 2024. 12 were false starts, which is just a lack of discipline. 11 of Laremy's penalties came on 3rd down. He was a drive killer. That's not what you expect from a 9 year vet. Especially when the rest of the line was a dumpster fire.

But the Texans can't just trade Tunsil without a plan. They don't have the cap room to sign a Ronnie Stanley (another aging LT). Basically, they would have to draft another OT and either that guy or Fisher plays LT. Not a smart plan for a team that wants to be a championship contender.

So, the Texans are stuck with Tunsil. Two things can happen. 1) Tunsil continues to play sloppy football and the Texans underachieve. 2) Tunsil plays his best football and the Texans challenge for a Lombardi. Your guess is as good as mine what happens.
 
Lucky said:
OK, let's live in fantasy land and the Bears give up a top 10 pick for Tunsil. Who's playing LT? Move Fisher over? OK, who's playing RT? You have to use 1.10 to get the RT? Long term. I'm not saying that's a bad move. Which is why the Bears would just take the OT at 1.10 and spend their $$$ at another position.

Tunsil is coming off his worst season as a pro. He's 31 and will be asking for an extension. And Laremy is already the 3rd highest paid LT in the league. There's absolutely no way a team will give up 5 years of a top 10 rookie contract considering all of that.
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Why are you seemingly ignoring my position that I have stated many times and know that you have read? I have constantly stated no trade of Tunsil unless we have locked in a replacement such as Alaric Jackson.
He's under contract for two more years and a team trading for him only pays 21 million each of those years. That is an extremely reasonable contract for Tunsil. The team can decide whether they want to extend him at age 33 or not which is not unheard of. And as we're seeing with others an extension does not always break the bank.

The team I am focusing on the Bears is in a different position than the Texans. The Bears are hoping to get to the playoffs. They should be very willing to trade for Tunsil over Jackson or selecting someone like Banks at number 10 whom you don't know is even going to start his first year.
 
Lucky said:
Look, I get why some fans want to get rid of Tunsil. He had 19 penalties called against him in 2024. 12 were false starts, which is just a lack of discipline. 11 of Laremy's penalties came on 3rd down. He was a drive killer. That's not what you expect from a 9 year vet. Especially when the rest of the line was a dumpster fire.

But the Texans can't just trade Tunsil without a plan. They don't have the cap room to sign a Ronnie Stanley (another aging LT). Basically, they would have to draft another OT and either that guy or Fisher plays LT. Not a smart plan for a team that wants to be a championship contender.

So, the Texans are stuck with Tunsil. Two things can happen. 1) Tunsil continues to play sloppy football and the Texans underachieve. 2) Tunsil plays his best football and the Texans challenge for a Lombardi. Your guess is as good as mine what happens.
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Sigh.. or Texans sign Alaric Jackson. You just continue to ignore stuff. I have made these suggestions with Steelbtexan repeatedly.
 
leebigeztx said:
Tunsil struggled early with false starts, but not so much later. If the coaching of concepts get alot better along with guard play, he's the least of your problems. He's never going to be a great run blocker, but he's top shelf pass protector on the blind side. Why create another hole? What have you seen to think Caserio can draft offensive line players?
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Also did you notice his false start issues got better when Patterson took over at Center? Or that Tunsil (Playing on a bum ankle) and the OL looked better after Howard moved to LG, not that Howard was even avg at LG. A LT (Not just Tunsil) is always going to look worse with a guy like Green playing next to them.
 
Lucky said:
Look, I get why some fans want to get rid of Tunsil. He had 19 penalties called against him in 2024. 12 were false starts, which is just a lack of discipline. 11 of Laremy's penalties came on 3rd down. He was a drive killer. That's not what you expect from a 9 year vet. Especially when the rest of the line was a dumpster fire.

But the Texans can't just trade Tunsil without a plan. They don't have the cap room to sign a Ronnie Stanley (another aging LT). Basically, they would have to draft another OT and either that guy or Fisher plays LT. Not a smart plan for a team that wants to be a championship contender.

So, the Texans are stuck with Tunsil. Two things can happen. 1) Tunsil continues to play sloppy football and the Texans underachieve. 2) Tunsil plays his best football and the Texans challenge for a Lombardi. Your guess is as good as mine what happens.
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Nobody is going to look good even if they're the best player on a dumpster fire of an OL. As far as being a drive killer how many of those false starts killed drives and doesn't this say more about the offense as a whole if they cant overcome a 5 yd penalty? You're right Tunsil had a bad yr by his standards due to playing on a bad ankle, but he was still a top 10 OT.
 
steelbtexan said:
Nobody is going to look good even if they're the best player on a dumpster fire of an OL. As far as being a drive killer how many of those false starts killed drives and doesn't this say more about the offense as a whole if they cant overcome a 5 yd penalty? You're right Tunsil had a bad yr by his standards due to playing on a bad ankle, but he was still a top 10 OT.
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He graded put as top 5 I believe
 
badboy said:
Why are you seemingly ignoring my position that I have stated many times and know that you have read? I have constantly stated no trade of Tunsil unless we have locked in a replacement such as Alaric Jackson.
He's under contract for two more years and a team trading for him only pays 21 million each of those years. That is an extremely reasonable contract for Tunsil. The team can decide whether they want to extend him at age 33 or not which is not unheard of. And as we're seeing with others an extension does not always break the bank.

The team I am focusing on the Bears is in a different position than the Texans. The Bears are hoping to get to the playoffs. They should be very willing to trade for Tunsil over Jackson or selecting someone like Banks at number 10 whom you don't know is even going to start his first year.
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Or the Bears could just sign Jackson and draft Banks at 1-10 and save money.
 
badboy said:
$35 million APY .. shudder.. no thanks.https://www.google.com/search?q=what+would+a+Micah+Parson+extension+look+like&oq=what+would+a+Micah+Parson+extension+look+like&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIJCAEQIRgKGKABMgkIAhAhGAoYoAEyCQgDECEYChigATIJCAQQIRgKGKABMgkIBRAhGAoYoAEyBwgGECEYqwLSAQYtMWowajmoAgCwAgE&client=ms-android-verizon-us-rvc3&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
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Per Pauline, Hunter is eyeing an extension that will pay him more than $30MM per season. Maybe you want to reconsider. Then trade Hunter for multiple draft picks. ???
 
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