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Nick Caserio and Demeco Ryans should follow the Eagles’ blueprint!

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I thoroughly enjoyed watching Mahomes get beat down by that Eagles defense! It was a thing of beauty! I’m guessing the league had no choice but to call a fair game, as fans across the nation all bashed the league and rightfully so!

With that said, I wouldn’t mind it one bit if Nick went defense heavy in the draft while still picking up some pieces on offense. We all saw what Mahomie and the Queefs look like when they don’t have anywhere to go due to the rush being in his face immediately.

Defense wins championships!
 
Mangler said:
I thoroughly enjoyed watching Mahomes get beat down by that Eagles defense! It was a thing of beauty! I’m guessing the league had no choice but to call a fair game, as fans across the nation all bashed the league and rightfully so!

With that said, I wouldn’t mind it one bit if Nick went defense heavy in the draft while still picking up some pieces on offense. We all saw what Mahomie and the Queefs look like when they don’t have anywhere to go due to the rush being in his face immediately.

Defense wins championships!
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Eagles recipe for success was being able to apply big time pressure with just a four man front.
This allows them to have an extra defender covering the Chiefs passing game.
Mahomes was wayyyy off his game due to that pressure.
 
Texans were able to apply pressure early. The trouble was Kelce finding the soft spots in zone and giving Mahomes a hot read to get the ball out. That and the refs making a couple questionable roughing the QB calls that took some bite out of the rush.

They have the DL to rush four and replicate the game plan. What they didn’t have was the personnel to matchup with Kelce after injuries to Pitre/Ward and Azeez playing with a knee injury. And an offense that could put up points on Spag’s defense.

The Eagles were up 24-0 at halftime. 34-0 before the 4th quarter. That helps the pass rush…
 
That’s why in my first mock, I have them taking a stud DT in the first who can provide push inside. DeMeco would like to have four studs who can control the line of scrimmage and all with rush prowess, reducing the need to blitz.

But you are missing half of the scoreboard, the other key is getting a healthy lead, and making them one dimensional so these guys can pin their ears back. And then once you get the healthy lead, being able to go ground and pound late to play keep away. How do you do this? Add weapons, and improve the o-line. So in my mock…after DT early, my next four picks are G, WR, TE, and RB. Also a good offense keeps the D more rested.

It’s a team game and right now overall the offense needs more juice than the defense.
 
Texans whipped the Cheifs azz. Defensively the Eagles didn't do anything the Texans didn't do.

Would have been a totally different game if not for the phantom calls & our offense could score. We sacked MahorribleHaircut 8 times.

We didn't get an interception, but defensively the Texans played championship level football that day.
 
Porky said:
That’s why in my first mock, I have them taking a stud DT in the first who can provide push inside. DeMeco would like to have four studs who can control the line of scrimmage and all with rush prowess, reducing the need to blitz.

But you are missing half of the scoreboard, the other key is getting a healthy lead, and making them one dimensional so these guys can pin their ears back. And then once you get the healthy lead, being able to go ground and pound late to play keep away. How do you do this? Add weapons, and improve the o-line. So in my mock…after DT early, my next four picks are G, WR, TE, and RB. Also a good offense keeps the D more rested.

It’s a team game and right now overall the offense needs more juice than the defense.
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Thing is that the DT's in the 2nd/3rd rd might end up better than a guy you draft in rd 1. This IDL draft is very deep.
 
Based upon their play this, our defense is good enough to win a championship. Were any defensive coaches fired after the season? Nope. It’s the offense that needs work.

BTW, did anyone notice Mahomes getting a taste of what it’s like to have bad pass protection? He ended up in a post game news conference saying “it was all my fault, and I got to play better”.:this:
 
thunderkyss said:
Texans whipped the Cheifs azz. Defensively the Eagles didn't do anything the Texans didn't do.

Would have been a totally different game if not for the phantom calls & our offense could score. We sacked MahorribleHaircut 8 times.

We didn't get an interception, but defensively the Texans played championship level football that day.
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My wife and I were saying the same type of thing last night during the game.
 
steelbtexan said:
Thing is that the DT's in the 2nd/3rd rd might end up better than a guy you draft in rd 1. This IDL draft is very deep.
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I am open...of course like I have any say so. Just for fun. Tricky Nicky makes the calls.

I have DT as the most likely option. Next most likely to me is WR, then G. Like one of those three areas for the first round. I can't rule out TE or OT either, but doubtful.

Very slight chance anywhere else.
 
ghostlight said:
I disagree on a DL at #25 as we allowed a National Debt type amout of sacks. The Eagles Ol beat down the KC dudes and protected Hurts well. The goal line score was a dozer and I was surprised at how far their OL pushed into the inzone. That is where we need the most help at this stage of building. My opion
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Philadelphia Eagles OL

LT Jordan Mailata - Drafted in the 7th round (233)
LG - Landon Dickerson - 2nd round (37)
C - Cam Jurgens - 2nd rd (51)
RG - Mechton Bection 1st round (11)
RT - Lane Johnson 1st round (4)

Two firsts and two seconds...and the LT is a 7th. Heavy investment outside the LT, which at that spot is an outlier. They are also ideally suited to the scheme and have an exceptional O-line coach.

Our line isn't much different.
LT - 1st round
LG - 1st round or 2nd round (Juice vs. Howard)
C - 6th round
RG - 4th round
RT - 2nd round

It isn't like this team hasn't invested into the o-line. I'm not even counting the G we drafted in the first round who is a total bust. And I do have G as my 3rd most likely choice in the first round...but there are tons of damn good guards in the league drafted from the 2nd round down to UDFA's. So, draft one at 25...but if you do it better damn well not be another bust.

In short...It's not where they are drafted it's are they a system fit, and how good is the coaching to get them working together as one cohesive unit.
 
Porky said:
Philadelphia Eagles OL

LT Jordan Mailata - Drafted in the 7th round (233)
LG - Landon Dickerson - 2nd round (37)
C - Cam Jurgens - 2nd rd (51)
RG - Mechton Bection 1st round (11)
RT - Lane Johnson 1st round (4)

Two firsts and two seconds...and the LT is a 7th. Heavy investment outside the LT, which at that spot is an outlier. They are also ideally suited to the scheme and have an exceptional O-line coach.

Our line isn't much different.
LT - 1st round
LG - 1st round or 2nd round (Juice vs. Howard)
C - 6th round
RG - 4th round
RT - 2nd round

It isn't like this team hasn't invested into the o-line. I'm not even counting the G we drafted in the first round who is a total bust. And I do have G as my 3rd most likely choice in the first round...but there are tons of damn good guards in the league drafted from the 2nd round down to UDFA's. So, draft one at 25...but if you do it better damn well not be another bust.

In short...It's not where they are drafted it's are they a system fit, and how good is the coaching to get them working together as one cohesive unit.
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Yes we have made very poor talent selections and the scheme was not a good fit. I’m vert disappointed in the success of our high OL picks however since Booker will be gone I’m all in on drafting the best OT that can play G or T. I don’t have Zabel in first round as G or T however I’ve read that he is a good fit at center. The combine is a couple wqeeks away and all the mocks will schuffle so use only a pencil at this time.
 
As it’s been said on a numerous occasions by myself and a few others, “ COACHING MATTERS”!

The Eagles OC and OLC had them boys primed and ready to go. The OC called a masterful game and his offense executed to near perfection.

Our inexperienced OC and terrible OLC couldn’t get the job done. Thus the reason why they received their walking papers.

Another key key key factor was Hurts ability to run the ball. They couldn’t get much with Barkley so it was very pivotal to their success having Hurts run some.
 
Texansballer74 said:
As it’s been said on a numerous occasions by myself and a few others, “ COACHING MATTERS”!
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I agree with this. So the next question is how much of the current crop of O-line can stay if they have better coaching? I am not sure we are as broken as it feels and I am pretty excited for next season (Year 3 of rebuild). One good (not great) free agent signing and a good draft can have a big impact if the guys who are supposed to be good start playing like it. We clearly did not do everything right last season for sure, but we did do some things right. Niko played like a star, Mixon played like a star. That does not happen with at least some things working.
 
Thorn said:
Texans have been trying to fix the oline but keep falling on their collective asses. Is it bad drafting, bad coaching, stupid free agent signings? It just seems that whatever the reason the Texans just continually fail on building a good oline.
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I believe it’s coaching and scheme to fit the talent. This has been a major shortfall for the Texans.
 
The RD1 investment has to be an impact player from Day1, regardless of which side of the ball they’re on.

If SS- Nick Emmanwori (South Carolina) is on the board, he’s my instant impact player of RD1. At 6-3, 227 lbs, and has the wheels to turn in a 4.37-40…yeah, he’d be an impact player for Ryans. Covers TE’s, RB’s and Slots, but he’s also a downhill thumper in the run game. This guy would allow Ryans to move Pitre to Nickle. I’d really like the impact of the Texans starting defensive backfield:
CB- Stingley Jr
CB- Lassiter
SS- Emmanwori
FS- Bullock
NB- Pitre

This group would give the front 6 time to wreak havoc. Same goes for the front 6 creating INT opportunities for the defensive backfield.

If Emmanwori is gone by 25….I think Caserio could trade back, pick up 2 additional picks at minimum, and still find players with similar impact as a late RD1 pick.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
The RD1 investment has to be an impact player from Day1, regardless of which side of the ball he’s on.

If SS- Nick Emmanwori (South Carolina) is on the board, he’s my instant impact player of RD1. At 6-3, 227 lbs, and has the wheels to turn in a 4.37-40…yeah, he’d be an impact player for Ryans. Covers TE’s, RB’s and Slots, but he’s also a downhill thumper in the run game. This guy would allow Ryans to move Pitre to Nickle. I’d really like the impact of the Texans starting defensive backfield:
CB- Stingley Jr
CB- Lassiter
SS- Emmanwori
FS- Bullock
NB- Pitre

This group would give the front 6 time to wreak havoc. Same goes for the front 6 creating INT opportunities for the defensive backfield.

If Emmanwori is gone by 25….I think Caserio could trade back, pick up 2 additional picks at minimum, and still find players with similar impact as a late RD1 pick.
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Why are you ignoring the offense?
 
Porky said:
Philadelphia Eagles OL

LT Jordan Mailata - Drafted in the 7th round (233)
LG - Landon Dickerson - 2nd round (37)
C - Cam Jurgens - 2nd rd (51)
RG - Mechton Bection 1st round (11)
RT - Lane Johnson 1st round (4)

Two firsts and two seconds...and the LT is a 7th. Heavy investment outside the LT, which at that spot is an outlier. They are also ideally suited to the scheme and have an exceptional O-line coach.

Our line isn't much different.
LT - 1st round
LG - 1st round or 2nd round (Juice vs. Howard)
C - 6th round
RG - 4th round
RT - 2nd round

It isn't like this team hasn't invested into the o-line. I'm not even counting the G we drafted in the first round who is a total bust. And I do have G as my 3rd most likely choice in the first round...but there are tons of damn good guards in the league drafted from the 2nd round down to UDFA's. So, draft one at 25...but if you do it better damn well not be another bust.

In short...It's not where they are drafted it's are they a system fit, and how good is the coaching to get them working together as one cohesive unit.
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It's not just that, Caserio/Gaine drafted guys for different Schemes Scruggs/Patterson/Fisher for Slowik's scheme. Green for Lovie/Pep's scheme, Howard for BOB's scheme. Apparertly he didn't take into account injury histories when he listened to the HC/OC/OL coaches and drafted a bunch of guys with vast injury histories. Then he added Mason and extended both him and Howard. In short the OL is a mix of ZBS/Gap scheme are both dumb and lacking athletic athletic ability. Caserio took this mismatched cluster bleep group and made the situation worse by extending Howard/Mason.

Good news is with the JCU band being back together Caserio should have a clear vision of what Caley wants when it comes to the types of players the OL will require to become successful.
 
I hate to be the stick in the mud here, but I don’t see the issues regarding the offense being resolved in one offseason. To lay it all on just coaching just ignores the fact that the main issue is the players themselves. This team simply has never, in their 20 year existence, been able to put a cohesive OL together to reach the next level. And it’s been the same thing every season.
 
Thorn said:
Texans have been trying to fix the oline but keep falling on their collective asses. Is it bad drafting, bad coaching, stupid free agent signings? It just seems that whatever the reason the Texans just continually fail on building a good oline.
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It's lack of continuity between Caserio and the OC/OL coaches over the yrs.
 
mmarkey_axiom said:
I agree with this. So the next question is how much of the current crop of O-line can stay if they have better coaching? I am not sure we are as broken as it feels and I am pretty excited for next season (Year 3 of rebuild). One good (not great) free agent signing and a good draft can have a big impact if the guys who are supposed to be good start playing like it. We clearly did not do everything right last season for sure, but we did do some things right. Niko played like a star, Mixon played like a star. That does not happen with at least some things working.
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They looked better at the end of the season when they went to more of a gap scheme.

As far as what to do with the OL. The 2 OT's are fine. I would cut Howard and Mason. There are 2 ways to go.

1. Sign a vet like Noteboom to play RG and draft Donovan Jackson at 1-26 to play LG. Then trade back into the late 1st/early 2nd for Zabel to play Center.

2. Sign Noteboom to play LG (He's played LT before) then draft either Jackson or Zabel at 1-26 and let them fight it out for the C/RG spots.

I would probably go with some form of option #1 because for the 1st time since I can remember it would create quality competition between the IOL. I bet Caserio goes with some form of option #2
 
OptimisticTexan said:
The RD1 investment has to be an impact player from Day1, regardless of which side of the ball he’s on.

If SS- Nick Emmanwori (South Carolina) is on the board, he’s my instant impact player of RD1. At 6-3, 227 lbs, and has the wheels to turn in a 4.37-40…yeah, he’d be an impact player for Ryans. Covers TE’s, RB’s and Slots, but he’s also a downhill thumper in the run game. This guy would allow Ryans to move Pitre to Nickle. I’d really like the impact of the Texans starting defensive backfield:
CB- Stingley Jr
CB- Lassiter
SS- Emmanwori
FS- Bullock
NB- Pitre

This group would give the front 6 time to wreak havoc. Same goes for the front 6 creating INT opportunities for the defensive backfield.

If Emmanwori is gone by 25….I think Caserio could trade back, pick up 2 additional picks at minimum, and still find players with similar impact as a late RD1 pick.
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Yeah, I feel this way about the IDL, Walter Nolan would look great beside WA/Hunter.
 
Marcus said:
I hate to be the stick in the mud here, but I don’t see the issues regarding the offense being resolved in one offseason. To lay it all on just coaching just ignores the fact that the main issue is the players themselves. This team simply has never, in their 20 year existence, been able to put a cohesive OL together to reach the next level. And it’s been the same thing every season.
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This isn't true, HOF'er Alex Gibbs (RIP GOAT) OL's were very cohesive units.

It can be fixed in one off-season, they just have to hit on a couple of draft picks and a FA to fix it. I will agree with you, with Caserio's track record things dont look promising. But with the JCU guys on board and having the same visions of what the offense should look like, maybe things will be different when it comes to drafting OL down on Kirby.
 
SB hit on A key wors of dumb and that is a fact. OL requires intelligence in order to remember each play called and the comprehension in order to complete the task. Dumb creates missed task completion thus giving the DL an upperhand on the play. My opion is the center should be the bull calling the ol to task. Remember Carl Mauck og the Oilers whom only weighed about 250 but was a bull of a center with a mean attitude with intelligence. The OL respected him and other teams were very aware of his presence. We can fix this issue this off season with smart choices during our draft and FA market decisions.
 
Eagles? I thought that was the direction in which we were headed. Sort of goofed on Dalton but he did have a good year in 20 23. Opening up Stroud to be more mobile in the vein of Hurts, salary cap control, Tank Dell to be Worthy. Settle big guy in the middle and bring in Togai for DT depth in middle. Caley bringing Gap offense and is a tight end guru, Pop turns the oline into grinders because no one listened to him this last season, running back similar in style to Barkley. I think they're just waiting to change the colors again of the uniforms to Green.
 
ghostlight said:
I disagree on a DL at #25 as we allowed a National Debt type amout of sacks. The Eagles Ol beat down the KC dudes and protected Hurts well. The goal line score was a dozer and I was surprised at how far their OL pushed into the inzone. That is where we need the most help at this stage of building. My opion
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Jalen Hurts' ability to run beat the Cheifs' DL. His single mindedness to run North/South when the pocket failed broke the game open. Contrast that with Mahomes running in circles & into sacks.

Jalen Hurts ran for 72 yards at 6.5 ypc & a TD.
 
thunderkyss said:
Jalen Hurts' ability to run beat the Cheifs' DL. His single mindedness to run North/South when the pocket failed broke the game open. Contrast that with Mahomes running in circles & into sacks.

Jalen Hurts ran for 72 yards at 6.5 ypc & a TD.
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This morning headlines could have read " Philadelphia Eagles looking for a way to trade up in the 2025 draft to replace Jalen Hurts who was permanently injured and expected to no longer play football due to a horrible hit as he was running with the football. Stay tuned for bad boy to begin his trade suggestions.."
 
Marcus said:
Why are you ignoring the offense?
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Not trying to ignore the offense. The Texans have needs at OG, WR, RB, DT, and SS. If I was to slot the BPA, still on the board, that could not only fill a need, but be an impact Day 1 starter….then that’s the athlete I’d like.

A lot of the offensive players that could fill a need at 25 or later, could be had in RD2 or RD3 as well. So, as I mentioned…I’m selecting the player that not only fills a need, but should have the best chance at being a star impact player on Day 1. In my world, I’d have a hard time bypassing a Nick Emmanwori if he was still on the board at 25.

Safety, Kyle Hamilton (6-4 @ 220 lbs / 4.59-40) was considered by many to be a generational type talent. Man, I really wanted the Texans to draft this guy b/c then like now, Texans have always been weak in the middle and TE’s were/are constantly wearing this defense out. For me, getting Nick Emmanwori (6-3 @ 227 lbs / 4.37-40) would be an opportunity to finally get a true enforcer in the defensive backfield who could wind up being a better version of Kyle Hamilton.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Not trying to ignore the offense. The Texans have needs at OG, WR, RB, DT, and SS. If I was to slot the BPA, still on the board, that could not only fill a need, but be an impact Day 1 starter….then that’s the athlete I’d like.

A lot of the offensive players that could fill a need at 25 or later, could be had in RD2 or RD3 as well. So, as I mentioned…I’m selecting the player that not only fills a need, but should have the best chance at being a star impact player on Day 1. In my world, I’d have a hard time bypassing a Nick Emmanwori if he was still on the board at 25.

Safety, Kyle Hamilton (6-4 @ 220 lbs / 4.59-40) was considered by many to be a generational type talent. Man, I really wanted the Texans to draft this guy b/c then like now, Texans have always been weak in the middle and TE’s were/are constantly wearing this defense out. For me, getting Nick Emmanwori (6-3 @ 227 lbs / 4.37-40) would be an opportunity to finally get a true enforcer in the defensive backfield who could wind up being a better version of Kyle Hamilton.
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On the cool my main focus would be to add speed to our skill position. We already have a top 5 defensive unit. Therefore imo we should add to that unit in the later rounds. But in the first 3-4 rounds, I’m adding speed as well as beefing up that offensive line.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
On the cool my main focus would be to add speed to our skill position. We already have a top 5 defensive unit. Therefore imo we should add to that unit in the later rounds. But in the first 3-4 rounds, I’m adding speed as well as beefing up that offensive line.
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I'm thinking, they've gotta fix the OL 1st and foremost. Rd. 1/2 drafting OL wold be a good thing. But if a guy like Walter Nolan or Darius Robinson fell to 2-58 I would pick one of them. BPA.

If you want fast skill position guys draft Brashard Smith RB/Who can play Slot WR. He's a threat to score anytime he touches the ball. Draft Silas Bolden later in the draft.

If you want really fast experienced in this offense then pickup Atwell (Who runs in the 4.3's) and deep threat Robinson. They already know what Caley wants from their WR Corps. You could sign these guys for 10-12 mil per yr.

Fix the OL with rd 1-2 picks and sign Atwell/Robinson in FA is the way I would go. However I'm really intrigued by what adding WR's like Savion Robinson or Jake Bech would mean to this offense.

I'm thinking that a young WR corps of Nico/Tutu/Savion would be dangerous for yrs to come. This would really help open up the offense. Spend the rest of the draft/FA on defense.
 
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thunderkyss said:
Jalen Hurts' ability to run beat the Cheifs' DL. His single mindedness to run North/South when the pocket failed broke the game open. Contrast that with Mahomes running in circles & into sacks.

Jalen Hurts ran for 72 yards at 6.5 ypc & a TD.
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Yup and Hurts has been doing that since he was at Channelview HS. The Chiefs pressure was not coming straight up the middle so he did what's natural to him.
Mahomey had pressure from up the middle and the edges and causing his running around like a chicken with its head cutoff.
Maybe if he had Allstate instead of State Farm, he would have been protected from mayhem like this:
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KoolAid Sipper said:
Yup and Hurts has been doing that since he was at Channelview HS. The Chiefs pressure was not coming straight up the middle so he did what's natural to him.
Mahomey had pressure from up the middle and the edges and causing his running around like a chicken with its head cutoff.
Maybe if he had Allstate instead of State Farm, he would have been protected from mayhem like this:
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I expected to see shot of Jalen's dad and mom there. His high school coach and everything.
 
steelbtexan said:
It can be fixed in one off-season, they just have to hit on a couple of draft picks and a FA to fix it. I will agree with you, with Caserio's track record things dont look promising. But with the JCU guys on board and having the same visions of what the offense should look like, maybe things will be different when it comes to drafting OL down on Kirby.
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They just have to hit on a couple of draft picks and a FA to fix it? Okay! Of course after dumping Howard/Mason with all that dead money? I know it’s the offseason, but forgive if I don’t share that optimism.

And would you please clarify what these “JCU guys on board” are? If this is spelled out in another thread….
 
KoolAid Sipper said:
If you look at their last few coaches, they're offensive minded. Chip Kelly, Doug Pederson and now Nick Sirianni.
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Right, I'm just saying them losing their OC three/four years in a row isn't the same as a team like the Texans or any Defensive HC lead team. Their OC is more of a taskmaster.
 
thunderkyss said:
Right, I'm just saying them losing their OC three/four years in a row isn't the same as a team like the Texans or any Defensive HC lead team. Their OC is more of a taskmaster.
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That’s still an anomaly for most offensive minded coaches as well. Some teams just get lucky.
 
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