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OL Coach Cole Popovich

Was DeMeco oblivious to this?

We’re talking about an 18+2 week season. One game away from the AFCCG.
It’s all just speculation on my part… but I would think that Meco is the type to let his guys work and not micro manage them…only stepping in when absolutely necessary. With that said, it doesn’t mean he was oblivious..more like he was just letting his guys handle their side & giving the player(s) themselves time to work thru whatever issues they may have had. Having said that though, there is a reason we all saw marked changes with the o-line protection and offensive strategy the last few games and playoffs & I think this is where Meco said..”alright enough, I’ve given u guys time to work thru this but it’s not getting much better & the playoffs are coming up So this is what needs to happen….”
 
I don’t believe that is far off though. The only other thing u can point to is the unmitigated disaster that was Kenyon Green.
Agreed, but I've got my hopes up that with new personnel added they will be able to pickup simple stunts. One good thing is the Rams offense had the answers for Flores defense. I just noticed that Demarcus Robinson is a FA. I expect him to be a Texan next year. Shouldn't cost that much either.

I'm thinking that a WR corps of Nico/Robinson/Elijah Moore and a draft pick like Jaylin Noel would be a huge upgrade over what they had last yr.

If they were able to add Kupp and Robinson that would be optimal but highly unlikely.
 
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Honestly, I have no idea of why they'd promote any coach from last year's horrid offensive showing. But they did. I'm just gonna hope it was the right decision.
This is where I'm at.

Atleast with all of the John Carroll coaches on the offensive staff there will be continuity. I think there's going to be a mix of the McVay offense and the Pats offense. After seeing how successful Derrick was running the Pats offense I'm cautiously optimistic.
 
For all we know, Popovich could’ve been advocating for big changes
after the 1st game and Slowik and Strausser just shut him down. But he must’ve been doing something right for Meco & NC To not only promote him from within but also give him more responsibility as the run game coordinator.

Just b/c the unit as a whole performed horribly doesn’t mean that all parts were bad. That be like wanting to fire Meco as the HC b/c the team’s offense was bad.
OB must have been doing something right to be promoted to GM and HC… Easterby must have been doing something right…

See how that works both ways?
 
Since Popovich couldn't fix the OL last year, I'm uninspired.

However, hopefully this means a big change in personnel is coming that fits the new offensive scheme.

Folks…Popovich was an ASSISTANT OL coach last year. So Technically it wasn’t his job to fix the o-line, it was Slowik’s 1st and then Strausser’s 2nd.

Popovich’s job was to assist Strausser in whatever methods/techniques he chose to teach the specific scheme Slowik and Strausser wanted. Dude was basically in a “seen but not heard” role…..unless those 2 or Meco specifically asked for his input.

Again, for all we know, the changes made late in the season could’ve all been Popovich’s idea …….only after Meco stepped in and solicited his opinion and made Slowik & Strausser implement them. Furthermore, the lower level assistants to the assistant position coaches are often closer to the players than the position coaches themselves mostly b/c they’re the guys who work individually with players at their request. It’s more likely that Popovich was able to get more credible input from the players about what they think we need to do than the OC and main position coach so I wouldn’t be surprised if the OL guys said they liked working with Popovich as opposed to Strausser.
 
If we are speculating, maybe Popovich was given the reigns to end the season, and his body of work impressed Meco and Nick enough to keep/promote. If the writing was on the wall for Strausser, I could see a scenario where Popovich was given a chance.
Exactly. I wanna say someone here posted that Strausser was already contemplating retirement before he was brought here too. Dude could’ve been mailing it in this last year.
 
So Popovich was basically the same as a painting hanging on the wall, and only implemented what Strausser wanted, yet somehow also showed enough to earn a bump to o-line coach after a disastrous season for the group he was partially responsible for.

There is a fruit comparison here. Maybe it’s prunes because it’s making me want to think about 💩💩💩
 
If this was the hire all along,
The decision to fire Slowik wasn't made until after the season. The old OL coach may have been retiring, who knows. Whatever it was, the playbook that had slow O-linemen trying to make reach blocks was still there. The system to change protections was still there. Changing the o-line coach mid-season wasn't going to fix those issues.
Why couldn’t they pick up a stunt in 19 games played last season?
Because some of these linemen are as dumb as a box of rocks. Not to mention the line had zero amount of snaps together during mini camps, OTAs, and training camp. We're hoping for a new system with some new players. Has to get better because it can't get worse.
Turns out Jethro really did marry his sister…his twin sister.
Um, Jethrine? You don't know the name of Jethro Bodine's twin sister?

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So Popovich was basically the same as a painting hanging on the wall, and only implemented what Strausser wanted, yet somehow also showed enough to earn a bump to o-line coach after a disastrous season for the group he was partially responsible for.

There is a fruit comparison here. Maybe it’s prunes because it’s making me want to think about 💩💩💩
lol, if you had a botched surgery, are you coming after the hospital and surgeon who performed and was primarily in charge of the surgery…….or are u going after the physician assistant and scrub tech who just handed the primary surgeon his instruments, suctioned suctioned up blood and maybe put in a stitch or two?

That’s basically what you’re saying here.

There is no Easterby supposedly working behind the scenes in this scenario, Meco hasn’t been here as long as BoB nor has he made a power play grab like him and there are pieces on the o-line that you wanna keep..unlike 2018 where all those dudes on the o-line were garbage.
 
OB must have been doing something right to be promoted to GM and HC… Easterby must have been doing something right…

See how that works both ways?
He was, he took this team as far as it's ever been in the playoffs by getting the best out of an overrated QB.
 
Folks…Popovich was an ASSISTANT OL coach last year. So Technically it wasn’t his job to fix the o-line, it was Slowik’s 1st and then Strausser’s 2nd.

Popovich’s job was to assist Strausser in whatever methods/techniques he chose to teach the specific scheme Slowik and Strausser wanted. Dude was basically in a “seen but not heard” role…..unless those 2 or Meco specifically asked for his input.

Again, for all we know, the changes made late in the season could’ve all been Popovich’s idea …….only after Meco stepped in and solicited his opinion and made Slowik & Strausser implement them. Furthermore, the lower level assistants to the assistant position coaches are often closer to the players than the position coaches themselves mostly b/c they’re the guys who work individually with players at their request. It’s more likely that Popovich was able to get more credible input from the players about what they think we need to do than the OC and main position coach so I wouldn’t be surprised if the OL guys said they liked working with Popovich as opposed to Strausser.
He didn't teach them the technique of how to identify and pickup simple stunts.
 
He didn't teach them the technique of how to identify and pickup simple stunts.

Beg to differ. It wasn’t a teach/learn thing..it was a talent-to-execute thing. Green was dreadful in pass protection..so bad that any positives he may have shown as a run blocker was drastically overshadowed by his horrifically bad pass pro.

Juice appears to just not have the feet or strength to be a full time starter at center or guard..plus his injury concerns. Jack of all trades but master at none of them.

Patterson….at least under Strausser hasn’t definitively been able to beat out Juice or Kenyon which is concerning..plus he’s a 6th round pick with his own limitations.

Mason is just over the hill.

None of that is a teaching issue.
 
Beg to differ. It wasn’t a teach/learn thing..it was a talent-to-execute thing.
I beg to differ. SteelBTexans specifically mentioned failing to pick up TE stunts. That's more of an awareness thing that anything you mentioned.
 
lol, if you had a botched surgery, are you coming after the hospital and surgeon who performed and was primarily in charge of the surgery…….or are u going after the physician assistant and scrub tech who just handed the primary surgeon his instruments, suctioned suctioned up blood and maybe put in a stitch or two?

That’s basically what you’re saying here.

There is no Easterby supposedly working behind the scenes in this scenario, Meco hasn’t been here as long as BoB nor has he made a power play grab like him and there are pieces on the o-line that you wanna keep..unlike 2018 where all those dudes on the o-line were garbage.

I get your point tex and it's a reasonable one no doubt. But I wanted some fresh eyes. If Popovich was all that and a bag of chips, he sure didn't show it. So, again on the one hand he has no input and is just there (IE, a painting on a wall analogy), and on the other hand, he's now got all the answers. If he had the answers, why the hell didn't he provide them last year?

Unlike you, I think an asst. line coach is still a coach. If guys are making mental errors, and the coach isn't fixing it...step in and fix it. How can the lineman trust that guy? Couldn't fix what ails them, but now all the sudden he can? It's nonsensical.

You're asking the assistant captain on the Titanic to steer the ship off the iceburg after it's been hit and slowly sinking? Where the hell was he when it was heading straight for doom? Back in steerage stealing Jack Dawson's girlfriend, Rose, that's what. You think the passengers and the crew trust the guy banging Jack's girl while the ship was about to sink? No wonder Rose let Jack drown! She was doing Popovich while Strausser was drinking up on deck and didn't see the iceburg. It makes total sense now!
 
I beg to differ. SteelBTexans specifically mentioned failing to pick up TE stunts. That's more of an awareness thing that anything you mentioned.
These guys have likely been learning the X’s and O’s of how to pick up stunts & twists since college & I’m fairly confident they all KNOW……..as, in theory know what you need to do. Physically however……being talented enough to be able to do it on the next level is a whole other order of execution and has nothing to do with learning.

And as a coach, you need to be able to trust that your players can physically execute what you’re asking them to do..what the scheme calls for them to do. And what we saw is that Green/Mason/Scruggs were just too slow to get off their guys and pick up the quicker, stunting DL/LB.

So you tell me, How do you coach up a player to be quicker? How do you coach a player up from getting his ass overpowered & pancaked? Sure there are a few pointers you can give them….but more often than not it’s just you and him
 
A lot of mental errors Tex. Some of those stunts and twists are mental. Pop is at least partially responsible for those mental errors continuing. He wasn't just a rug was he? Like he was breathing and had a voice box, and was made of cells and atoms right?

Suddenly he will remember how to teach guys how to do the basics? Where was he last year while all this was happening? Was he hosting the Grammy's or trying to break the land speed record on the Bonneville salt flats? Because I'm pretty sure he was there in that building, coaching and teaching those things day after day. Yet they failed.

Would you hire the teacher's aid if you were the principal and every time you walk in the classroom, it's total chaos. Kids are not paying attention, talking, throwing things...and the aid is there the whole time. So, over the summer the principal fires the teacher and decides to hire the teacher's aid that was there for all of it. Genius idea!

Sorry...but this hire makes zero sense. Maybe it will work out...but my magic 8 ball says "outlook not so good"
 
A lot of mental errors Tex. Some of those stunts and twists are mental. Pop is at least partially responsible for those mental errors continuing. He wasn't just a rug was he? Like he was breathing and had a voice box, and was made of cells and atoms right?

Suddenly he will remember how to teach guys how to do the basics? Where was he last year while all this was happening? Was he hosting the Grammy's or trying to break the land speed record on the Bonneville salt flats? Because I'm pretty sure he was there in that building, coaching and teaching those things day after day. Yet they failed.

Would you hire the teacher's aid if you were the principal and every time you walk in the classroom, it's total chaos. Kids are not paying attention, talking, throwing things...and the aid is there the whole time. So, over the summer the principal fires the teacher and decides to hire the teacher's aid that was there for all of it. Genius idea!

Sorry...but this hire makes zero sense. Maybe it will work out...but my magic 8 ball says "outlook not so good"
If the problem is the talent then we need to get rid of the guy picking the talent.
 
A lot of mental errors Tex. Some of those stunts and twists are mental. Pop is at least partially responsible for those mental errors continuing. He wasn't just a rug was he? Like he was breathing and had a voice box, and was made of cells and atoms right?

Suddenly he will remember how to teach guys how to do the basics? Where was he last year while all this was happening? Was he hosting the Grammy's or trying to break the land speed record on the Bonneville salt flats? Because I'm pretty sure he was there in that building, coaching and teaching those things day after day. Yet they failed.

Would you hire the teacher's aid if you were the principal and every time you walk in the classroom, it's total chaos. Kids are not paying attention, talking, throwing things...and the aid is there the whole time. So, over the summer the principal fires the teacher and decides to hire the teacher's aid that was there for all of it. Genius idea!

Sorry...but this hire makes zero sense. Maybe it will work out...but my magic 8 ball says "outlook not so good"
In your analogy, the teacher is responsible for the order of the classroom..not the teacher's aid. So unless the TA was in there talking and throwing things like the students i wouldn't fault the TA for that because they take their cues from the actual teacher. What you're missing is that pro practices have a rhythm and order to them & these guys don't just go out there everyday & coach the players individually on what they think the player needs. They aren't handling little high school kids. They are handling grown men...& after 2-day practices, game day install film sessions, maintenance workouts, injury treatments........If the player wants to work on extra stuff after all that then they do it..but its almost completely on the player if they want to do that, not the coach.

Furthermore, No player is above making mental mistakes man. and like most things you're really only as good as the intel you're recieving and there are alot of reasons for mental mistakes..lots of which aren't always on the player who looks the worst. Perhaps the defense showed a look that wasn't covered in the gameplan install. That's on Slowik/Strausser. Or like what happened in the KC/BUF AFCCG where the protection was slid to the wrong side.....which is what Dawkins said Josh Allen did in that final drive........ which resulted in a free runner immediately on Allen & disrupted the whole play from the get go...well that would be on the QB/CJ.

No amount of coaching was gonna help a guy getting routinely overpowered like Green was. No amount of coaching was gonna help Scruggs move his feet faster than he physically can. & no amount of coaching was gonna somehow turn back the hand of time for Shaq Mason. There's only so much coaching can do for limited talent.
 
A little insight into what an assistant OL coach does. The article below was during the offseason (June 2023)

A 2023 conversation with Chargers assistant OL coach Shaun Sarrett (now in the same role with the Vikings)
What is your main role as assistant O-Line coach?

"My No. 1 job, I would say, is to make [offensive line] coach [Brendan] Nugent's job as easy as possible. I'm there for anything he needs me to do and another set of eyes for him during the games and at practice. Something he may not see and I see it, then I relay it to our players or tell him and get that related. Then in the meeting room just assisting and all that."

Do you work with a specific O-line group?

"No, usually as the season starts — and when I say season I mean OTAs and into training camp — I'll spend more time with the young guys getting them adjusted to the new system, things we do differently, things like that. I would say I spend more time with those guys trying to get them prepared."
 
A little insight into what an assistant OL coach does. The article below was during the offseason (June 2023)

A 2023 conversation with Chargers assistant OL coach Shaun Sarrett (now in the same role with the Vikings)
Hope that helps some of these guys in here who think those guys have all kinds of latitude when they’re out there coaching as an assistant to an assistant coach.

Popovich: hey Chris, you see Green whiffing out there in pass pro?

Strausser: yeah, I see it..damn it!

Popovich: might wanna do something about that…perhaps run it up the chain to Bobby that we need to get someone else out there before he gets CJ killed..

Strausser: thanks for your insight…

* continues to start Green for 6 more games
 
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Hope that helps some of these guys in here who think those guys have all kinds of latitude when they’re out there coaching as an assistant to an assistant coach.
Nobody said they have any latitude. We're saying the OL coach was struggling to find answers & his #2 couldn't help him find any.

Just like an OC should take input from his position coaches, an OL coach should take input from his assistants if he's struggling.
 
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Sorry...but this hire makes zero sense. Maybe it will work out...but my magic 8 ball says "outlook not so good"
Let me help this make sense. Caley & Popovich coached in New England for 5 seasons. Caley knows Popovich better than any O-line coach available. Caley wasn't here last year and doesn't really know the dynamics regarding the O-line coaching in 2024. He didn't have time to go thru the practice film to see what was happening. Why would he? Caley is bringing in his own system. Let's say Popovich was the assistant o-line coach for the Giants last year. Caley was probably bringing him to Houston.

Now would Popovich had gotten an O-line coach/run game coordinator job after the disaster of last year if a coaching buddy had not gotten an OC gig? Not likely. But Caley has worked with Popovich and trusts him to do his job. So this is all about Caley. He's the guy and this is his job to turn this around.

So...let's go.
 
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Let me help this make sense. Caley & Popovich coached in New England for 5 seasons. Caley knows Popovich better than any O-line coach available. Caley wasn't here last year and doesn't really know the dynamics regarding the O-line coaching in 2024. He didn't have time to go thru the practice film to see what was happening. Why would he? Caley is bringing in his own system. Let's say Popovich was the assistant o-line coach for the Giants last year. Caley was probably bringing him to Houston.

Now would Popovich had gotten an O-line coach/run game coordinator job after the disaster of last year if a coaching buddy had not gotten an OC gig? Not likely. But Caley has worked with Popovich and trusts him to do his job. So this is all about Caley. He's the guy and this is his job to turn this around.

So...let's go.

I read that Pop was run game coordinator. Was the blocking consistently good in the run game? I’d say it was largely 💩💩💩 for the most part. Mixon created most of his yards, with little he;p from the line.

At the very least, the optics are terrible. The fans aren’t going to have any faith that this is the guy that’s going to turn this line around. Ultimately, the team exists for the benefit of the fans. As an organization , You’ve got to be more self-aware than this.

As I said…it’s possible Pop does a great job. All options are on the table. This is about decision making with known facts, not hope and a prayer. Hope isn’t a strategy. Prayer is simply faith without known facts.

You can hope and pray all you want. For me…I’m a critic until proven otherwise. Another dumb Texans decision.
 
& some employees take no ownership, doing the bare minimum, just collecting a pay check.

This is how I cut through all the bullshite and eliminated any thoughts of skin color, religion, your personal and political beliefs. When we hire you, you will fall into one of two categories…..ASSET or LIABILITY. If you work like an asset, we’ll work with you to make you better. If you’re a liability, you’ll be given a verbal, then a written, and then a pink slip. Like any cancer, get it out early to prevent any further damage.
 
In defense of Pop from a "he was a part of the issue" standpoint....

He very well couldve been...But you got to remember...he was like 3 levels away from Demeco...
He was an assistant who wouldve had to go through the Oline coach, who would have had to go through Slowick who would have had to have gone to Demeco....As far as coaching he was pretty low on the totem pole.

I know football staffs and a football team in general is much tighter knit that a typical workplace, but there is still a hierarchy and there's still protocol..

I've been employed at places where I thought processes were ridiculous and I had a better idea on how to do things...And while I may have been able to make some suggestions and get some minor things working better, I wasn't in position to make a complete overhaul...

I'm not saying Cole P will be any good...He may be terrible...but now hes in a position to make a complete overhaul. Don't be surprised if even though he was here under the last OC and OL coach what he wants to do and produces is quite a bit different.
 
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This is what I was originally coming here to post though:

Fresno State: An honors candidate in his fourth year as a starter ... has battled injuries in his career, but when healthy there[apos]s not a better guard in the WAC ... a strong and tough player ... leads by his work ethic and toughness ... coming off an outstanding season ... was the first true freshman of the Pat Hill Era to start on the offensive line in 2004 ... medically redshirted in 2004 after suffering an injury in his second game, causing him to sit out the remainder of the year ... joined the team in January 2004 ... has tremendous physical ability and strength for his age ... one of the strongest players on the team and was the first freshman in program history to squat 600 pounds. (2007) Started seven games for the Bulldogs ... was injured against Texas A&M and missed the next six games ... returned to start the final five games of the season, including the Roady[apos]s Humanitarian Bowl win over Georgia Tech. (2006) Starter at both right and left guard ... earned the Paul Schechter Courage Award, given to the Fresno State student-athlete who has overcome injuries or physical hardships ... a member of a Bulldog line that set a school record for fewest quarterback sacks (12) ... opened holes for Dwayne Wright, the No. 6 rusher in the NCAA. (2005) A unanimous selection for first-team Freshman All-American (Sporting News, Football Writers, College Football News, ESPN.com) honors after starting 12 of 13 games at left guard ... was instrumental in Fresno State[apos]s offensive prowess all season, which produced a 1,000-yard rusher, a 3,000-yard passer and averaged just under 40 points per game. (2004) Suffered a bicep tendon injury against Kansas State and missed the remainder of the season ... was a medical redshirt ... came off the bench in the opener at Washington and then started against KSU ... Popovich actually injured the arm during preseason practice but recovered in time for the start of the season ... enrolled at Fresno State in January and went through spring drills with the team

I'd imaging a guy with that background is going to be all about guys who put in the work.
 
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You can hope and pray all you want. For me…I’m a critic until proven otherwise. Another dumb Texans decision.
If you feel the need to get out in front of what the O-line will be in 2025, so be it. But you're working with 2 data points. 1. Popovich was the assistant O-line coach in 2024. 2. The Texans O-line sucked in 2024. What you don't know is:

A. What schemes Nick Caley will bring into the mix for 2025
B. What the additions/subtractions to the O-line personnel will be in 2025
C. How Cole Popovich being in charge and not assisting will affect the O-line performance in 2025

There are a lot of variables for you to ignore in coming to your conclusion that the Texans made a mistake with the O-line coach. But hey, do what you've got to do.

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Here's a More about Pat Hill, the Head Coach at Fresno that recruited Cole Pop to play OL there:

Pat Hill's offensive scheme was a smashmouth, run-heavy style that emphasized pass protection and run blocking.

Explanation
  • Hill's offensive scheme was known for its run-heavy style, which he used to lead the Fresno State Bulldogs to victory in the Rose Bowl in 2008.

  • Hill's offensive line provided pass protection and run blocking for his offensive unit.

  • Hill's pro-style offense helped develop NFL talent, including first-round draft picks Carr, Logan Mankins, and Ryan Mathews.

  • Hill's recruiting efforts focused on players from the San Joaquin Valley.

  • Hill's "Green V" logo adorned Bulldog helmets, and helped Fresno State raise money for football, education, and other sports.
Hill coached his last game at Fresno State in 2011. He has been a broadcaster for the Bulldogs since 2015.

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It's rare that the hiring of an offensive line coach causes such a stir.
The Falcons' offensive line caught much of the blame for the struggles the team experienced during the 2011 season on their way to the postseason. The loss to the Giants in the playoffs was especially painful. Though New York only registered two sacks, they pressured quarterback Matt Ryan all day.
So when the team announced a few weeks after the humbling playoff defeat that the fiery, matter-of-fact Pat Hill would be coaching the much-maligned line, the news resonated throughout the halls of 4400 Falcon Parkway and the entire Falcons fan base.
During Wednesday's media session, Hill provided a glimpse into the coaching style that served him well during his 15 years as the head coach at Fresno State, where he compiled a record of 112-90.
"I didn't come here to split the atom," Hill said. "I came here to really work on fundamentals. At this level you have a chance to really tweak a person's game. It's like being a swing coach for a golfer. . . Here you're trying to develop technique to help each one of your players get better."
So far it's paying off. Hill brings a new perspective to an offensive line that overall has been highly productive during the four seasons under head coach Mike Smith. In his short time with Atlanta, Hill has quickly established himself as a mentor to a line that features two incoming rookies, but is still loaded with experience. He's established an accountability with the linemen and is showing them he cares.
"Obviously he knows the game of football, he's been in it for almost 40 years," tackle Will Svitek said. "He's a great football mind. He's a great person. He's a guy you want to play for and play hard for. He's one of those guys that you don't want to let down. You feel like you're letting down someone close to you. He knows the game. He's real big on technique and he's been really informative so far."

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I like that he played for a college coach that was really big on Technique. When Oline coaches talk about technique my ears perk up. Hopefully some of that rubbed off on him.
 
When Popovich worked under Strausser, his job was to help execute Strausser’s vision. If he didn’t like what he was seeing, make mental notes of what you would do differently when your chance finally comes. Well his chance has finally arrived and he’ll be able to fall back on all his playing and coaching experience to create a blocking scheme that fits with what Caley wants to do offensively. I’m expecting to see their personal modification of the Erhardt-Perkins Offense.
 
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In defense of Pop from a "he was a part of the issue" standpoint....

He very well couldve been...But you got to remember...he was like 3 levels away from Demeco...
He was an assistant who wouldve had to go through the Oline coach, who would have had to go through Slowick who would have had to have gone to Demeco....As far as coaching he was pretty low on the totem pole.

I know football staffs and a football team in general is much tighter knit that a typical workplace, but there is still a hierarchy and there's still protocol..

I've been employed at places where I thought processes were ridiculous and I had a better idea on how to do things...And while I may have been able to make some suggestions and get some minor things working better, I wasn't in position to make a complete overhaul...

I'm not saying Cole P will be any good...He may be terrible...but now hes in a position to make a complete overhaul. Don't be surprised if even though he was here under the last OC and OL coach what he wants to do and produces is quite a bit different.
I love that Caserio/Caley/Schuplinski/Popovich are all on the same page. This increases their chances for success IMHO.
 
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