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Slowik and the offense

I found it interesting, according to Zierlein, that Slowick adjusted his scheme in '23 to accommodate CJ's college playbook. Then in '24 Slowick went to his NFL playbook.

Also, CJ and Slowick had a pre-draft confrontation that Ryans had to smooth over.

I wonder how CJ could adapt to Chip Kelly and his offense?
My understanding is that Kelly's offense is basically the same that CJ used in his time at OSU. It did change to a power Gap offense in 2024 but that as I understand impacts the offensive line more than the quarterback. Stroud should be extremely comfortable in it.
 
Seems to me like Slowik expected CJ to put in the work to atcually learn an NFL playbook. Those expectations are a big part of what got him fired. I'm sure after the confrontation that Slowik knew he would be where he's at today, probably sooner than later. I heard that Slowik was a no voice when it came to drafting CJ.

Since the Chip Kelly offense is the Day/OSU offense CJ should be able to perform at his highest level since he wont have to learn much if anything at all.

This is why I'm advocatinf for Kelly as OC, but they're going to have to pay Kelly top dollar only one year after giving Slowik a big raise.
So, let me see if I understand this. IN 2023 CJ ran a college playbook and produced one of the greatest NFL seasons by a rookie QB. In 2024, Slowik changes to an "NFL playbook" that averages 7.5 points in the 2nd half and did not adjust and run some of the concepts that made them successful in 2023?

Do you realize that Mahomes is on record that he didn't learn to read an NFL defense until his 3rd NFL season? Do you know that even a great offensive mind like Andy Reid integrated the Texas Tech's offensive terminology and scheme into his WCO for Mahomes? If Reid was that flexible, who is Bobby Slowik to not follow Reid's blueprint?
 
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Seems like you believe this and you follow college football more than me. So, I have a couple of questions. Did the OC or Ryan Day call the plays in college? If the OC was calling plays, why did Ohio State hire Bill O'Brien as OC and then Chip Kelly?
Here you go and why I hope Ryan Day might appreciate a call from Caserio

 
Here you go and why I hope Ryan Day might appreciate a call from Caserio

Not a chance he's leaving his OSU HC job to be an NFL OC. The paycheck is quite a bit different.
 
So, let me see if I understand this. IN 2023 CJ ran a college playbook and produced one of the greatest NFL seasons by a rookie QB. In 2024, Slowik changes to an "NFL playbook" that averages 7.5 points in the 2nd half and did not adjust and run some of the concepts that made them successful in 2023?

Do you realize that Mahomes is on record that he didn't learn to read an NFL defense until his 3rd NFL season? Do you know that even a great offensive mind like Andy Reid integrated the Texas Tech's offensive terminology and scheme into his WCO for Mahomes? If Reid was that flexible who is Bobby Slowik to not follow Reid's blueprint?
Maybe this offseason Stroud will bother to hang around and learn a new offense than traveling the world. Or maybe it's too much to ask him to learn something new.
 
This is why I can’t stand lazy journalism by people like Lance. He does that weak crap just to stir up the negative pot with Houston gullible fans. Yes gullible because yall actually believe that crap. And then you have one who has been waiting on this type of opportunity to trash CJ. Bump the fact that the entire offensive line couldn’t run Slowik’s sorry ash playbook. Bump the fact that plays were called in late on a routine this season. But noooo let’s believe the turd that was splattered on the wall by Lance so he could stink up the joint.
 
Did you read how I address that? Most of his 2024 money was endorsements and he could receive that just as easily in Houston.
Maybe... But OSU is a religion in Columbus, and probably more widely in Ohio. As much as I love the Texans, I don't think their popularity in Houston (and definitely not Texas in general) can compare to OSU in Ohio and Columbus in particular...
 
Seems to me like Slowik expected CJ to put in the work to atcually learn an NFL playbook. Those expectations are a big part of what got him fired. I'm sure after the confrontation that Slowik knew he would be where he's at today, probably sooner than later. I heard that Slowik was a no voice when it came to drafting CJ.

Since the Chip Kelly offense is the Day/OSU offense CJ should be able to perform at his highest level since he wont have to learn much if anything at all.

This is why I'm advocatinf for Kelly as OC, but they're going to have to pay Kelly top dollar only one year after giving Slowik a big raise.
Hey TB, what do you not like about this post and what's untrue?
 
This is why I can’t stand lazy journalism by people like Lance. He does that weak crap just to stir up the negative pot with Houston gullible fans. Yes gullible because yall actually believe that crap. And then you have one who has been waiting on this type of opportunity to trash CJ. Bump the fact that the entire offensive line couldn’t run Slowik’s sorry ash playbook. Bump the fact that plays were called in late on a routine this season. But noooo let’s believe the turd that was splattered on the wall by Lance so he could stink up the joint.
I heard about this from somebody else before the draft. It's why I didn't think Caserio/Ryans would draft Stroud. How am I trashing CJ? Everything I said is true and I even finished the post on a positive note because CJ/Kelly would be a perfect match for CJ since he wouldn't have to learn a new offense.

Are you not concerned about the fact that CJ has respected his last 2 OC's? That's a legitimate concern IMHO.
 
Maybe... But OSU is a religion in Columbus, and probably more widely in Ohio. As much as I love the Texans, I don't think their popularity in Houston (and definitely not Texas in general) can compare to OSU in Ohio and Columbus in particular...
Have you forgotten how quickly fans revolted against Ryan Day when Ohio State lost to Michigan? I agree that it's extremely unlikely that Day will leave OSU. However, he has reached the pinnacle in college football with this year's win. Maybe he's ready to move to a different challenge?
 
Maybe this offseason Stroud will bother to hang around and learn a new offense than traveling the world. Or maybe it's too much to ask him to learn something new.
Hey Earl, what's not true about my post? Look what he did last offseason. Trip to Africa, Kardashian's etc....
 
I heard about this from somebody else before the draft. It's why I didn't think Caserio/Ryans would draft Stroud. How am I trashing CJ? Everything I said is true and I even finished the post on a positive note because CJ/Kelly would be a perfect match for CJ since he wouldn't have to learn a new offense.

Are you not concerned about the fact that CJ has respected his last 2 OC's? That's a legitimate concern IMHO.
You are not making any sense whatsoever and you’ve heard wrong. But as usual you come on here trying your best to find ways to crap on players you didn’t have on your draft board. Remember all the crap you were spewing when we drafted him? Like I told my kids you can’t delete none of that stuff you post of these sites. In reality there’s no take backs.
 
I don't mind bringing in college coaches, but if we go with a guy like this we need to be prepared for another learning curve. NFL defenses are not like college defenses.

Many have made the transition just fine. Kingsbury comes to mind. But he had that little video game in sneakers to work with.
 
You are not making any sense whatsoever and you’ve heard wrong.
I thought it was substantiated back around draft time it was true. That S2roud got into it with some OC in a predraft interview & it was highly speculated it was with Slowik. After the draft we just assumed it wasn't Slowik. But it's a fact S2roud got into it with somebody.

Is it possible that he knows more about football than Bobby Slowik, especially from a QB pov? I think so. Slowik may very well be a good coach, but this was too much for him.

Is it possible he knew more football than the WR coach made OC at Ohio State? Seeing how he got demoted & they hired two guys to replace him after his first year as OC... yeah, I believe it.

I don't know, a lot of smoke there.
 
You are not making any sense whatsoever and you’ve heard wrong. But as usual you come on here trying your best to find ways to crap on players you didn’t have on your draft board. Remember all the crap you were spewing when we drafted him? Like I told my kids you can’t delete none of that stuff you post of these sites. In reality there’s no take backs.
Zerlien confirmed what I heard and that's not crapping on CJ.

As far as my eval of his talent I've said I got it wrong. As a person is still TBD IMHO. I'm rooting for CJ to be successful and think he can be, he just needs to humble himself and put in the work, particularly learning a new offense and his footwork. He needs to know that he's not even close to the smartest man in the room. The smartest men in the room are Caserio/Ryans and whatever OC CJ needsto learn from.

No need to take anything back.
 
Hey I always thought CJ was very much humbled and a team player. Just hope that the offense will make some very clutch plays and make the offense really do the best they can.
 
Hey I always thought CJ was very much humbled and a team player. Just hope that the offense will make some very clutch plays and make the offense really do the best they can.
He is this.

He just needs to put in the work in the off-season. And accept instruction from his coaches.
 
I don't mind bringing in college coaches, but if we go with a guy like this we need to be prepared for another learning curve. NFL defenses are not like college defenses.

Many have made the transition just fine. Kingsbury comes to mind. But he had that little video game in sneakers to work with.
I wouldn’t pigeon hole Nixon as just a “college coach”. He has tons of NFL experience. My concern is lack of marquee experience. Syracuse OC is different than Ohio State OC for example.

Also concerned that he’s been coaching this long and hasn’t gone beyond position coach at the NFL level minus his brief run as interim OC in Carolina. The David Culley experiment has me spooked in that regard.
 
Zerlien confirmed what I heard and that's not crapping on CJ.

As far as my eval of his talent I've said I got it wrong. As a person is still TBD IMHO. I'm rooting for CJ to be successful and think he can be, he just needs to humble himself and put in the work, particularly learning a new offense and his footwork. He needs to know that he's not even close to the smartest man in the room. The smartest men in the room are Caserio/Ryans and whatever OC CJ needsto learn from.

No need to take anything back.
I think you and TB both have good points. But I think you rub people the wrong way with how you go about criticizing CJ. Especially after you painted him as a dumb thug all throughout training camp his rookie season because of the Mulughetta connection.

CJ works hard, that’s not the issue. These pro QBs will have fun in the offseason, they aren’t robots. CJ’s era of QB fun is more public than previous eras. You don’t think Tom Brady enjoyed his offseasons?

Bottom line, Caserio/Ryans need to get the OC hire right. They need someone that CJ respects in the role. I can definitely see a competitor like CJ tuning out Slowik if he loses confidence in him. No that’s not what you’d want to hear happening but it’s human nature. You lose confidence in your coach and morale dips down. I’m sure there was a lot of finger pointing both coaches and players last season on the offensive side of the ball.

Do I want my franchise QB to blindly follow the coach if he is not doing a good job? No, that’s not gonna make him the best QB either. If the coaching is not up to par then the players should challenge said coaching (in meetings, not in public eye which is how it sounds like with CJ/Slowik). CJ needs a coach that he has confidence can match schemes with the best defensive coaches in the league.

And when CJ challenges him in meetings that coach needs to give him answers that make CJ’s head explode and realize he’s a young pup with a lot to learn. According to Lance, it sounds like Ryan Day (not Kirk Wilson) was that coach for CJ at Ohio State.
 
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He is this.

He just needs to put in the work in the off-season. And accept instruction from his coaches.
Knowing what we know i don't see how you get Cj doesn't accept coaching.

Regardless what you think about Cj it's clear Slowik was over his head. He didn't respect Slowik because Slowik had no answers for the issues he faced every time the ball was snapped.

I don't know of any obvious acts of subversion or anything. In fact I think this take was pretty surprising. The only reason I'm apt to believe is because of the 1st time OCs he had to deal with & the problems across the board on our offense. Not because of anything Cj said or did.
 
Also concerned that he’s been coaching this long and hasn’t gone beyond position coach at the NFL level minus his brief run as interim OC in Carolina. The David Culley experiment has me spooked in that regard
Well, he's a RB coach & been a RB coach for a long time. Indicative of the issue "they" were speaking about when the Culley thing was brought to light.
 
And when CJ challenges him in meetings that coach needs to give him answers that make CJ’s head explode and realize he’s a young pup with a lot to learn. According to Lance, it sounds like Ryan Day (not Kirk Wilson) was that coach for CJ at Ohio State
I can imagine the QB meetings with Jerrod. Because as a QB my 1st course would be through Jerrod. I'm just thinking Jerrod was as frustrated with Slowik & the OL coach & it was something that bonded them together.

I don't know that Cj had a problem with Wilson. His issue would have been with Brian Hartline
 
Brian Hartline
Hartline didn't become OC until after Stroud went to the NFL. Then Buckeye OC Kevin Wilson was a college offensive lineman whose forte was the running game. During Stroud's last year at Ohio State, Wilson carried 3 phones. Personal, Ohio State related, and one for organizing his next job as Tulsa HC. Looking at that, it's no wonder CJ spent most of his time with Ryan Day, the architect of the offense.
 
Hartline didn't become OC until after Stroud went to the NFL. Then Buckeye OC Kevin Wilson was a college offensive lineman whose forte was the running game. During Stroud's last year at Ohio State, Wilson carried 3 phones. Personal, Ohio State related, and one for organizing his next job as Tulsa HC. Looking at that, it's no wonder CJ spent most of his time with Ryan Day, the architect of the offense.
Like I said earlier those lazy journalists be making crap up and a few on here falls face first into that stinky crap. They refuse to fact check just like you just done. So simple
 
Knowing what we know i don't see how you get Cj doesn't accept coaching.

Regardless what you think about Cj it's clear Slowik was over his head. He didn't respect Slowik because Slowik had no answers for the issues he faced every time the ball was snapped.

I don't know of any obvious acts of subversion or anything. In fact I think this take was pretty surprising. The only reason I'm apt to believe is because of the 1st time OCs he had to deal with & the problems across the board on our offense. Not because of anything Cj said or did.
Because CJ didn't get along with his OC (Wilson) in college and his OC in the pro's. (Slowik) Who know if he's going to respect the next OC? Is he going to hire his own personal choice for OC.

Seems to me he's got issues working with people when times get tough and he tends to blame issues on others including college. Truth is Slowik's fate was sealed the minute CJ was drafted and I'm not saying that Slowik shouldn't have been fired. He did a poor job last yr, some of the issues including Stroud/OL etc... were beyond his control. This is according to Zerlien not me.

I know one thing, you dont go from a highly regarded OC, who was successful with an injured OL to being fired the next yr without there being internal issues.
 
Because CJ didn't get along with his OC (Wilson) in college and his OC in the pro's. (Slowik) Who know if he's going to respect the next OC? Is he going to hire his own personal choice for OC.

Seems to me he's got issues working with people when times get tough and he tends to blame issues on others including college. Truth is Slowik's fate was sealed the minute CJ was drafted and I'm not saying that Slowik shouldn't have been fired. He did a poor job last yr, some of the issues including Stroud/OL etc... were beyond his control. This is according to Zerlien not me.

I know one thing, you dont go from a highly regarded OC, who was successful with an injured OL to being fired the next yr without there being internal issues.
Yep. Jobs are on the line sooner than later if Stroud can’t accept coaching.
 
I think you and TB both have good points. But I think you rub people the wrong way with how you go about criticizing CJ. Especially after you painted him as a dumb thug all throughout training camp his rookie season because of the Mulughetta connection.

CJ works hard, that’s not the issue. These pro QBs will have fun in the offseason, they aren’t robots. CJ’s era of QB fun is more public than previous eras. You don’t think Tom Brady enjoyed his offseasons?

Bottom line, Caserio/Ryans need to get the OC hire right. They need someone that CJ respects in the role. I can definitely see a competitor like CJ tuning out Slowik if he loses confidence in him. No that’s not what you’d want to hear happening but it’s human nature. You lose confidence in your coach and morale dips down. I’m sure there was a lot of finger pointing both coaches and players last season on the offensive side of the ball.

Do I want my franchise QB to blindly follow the coach if he is not doing a good job? No, that’s not gonna make him the best QB either. If the coaching is not up to par then the players should challenge said coaching (in meetings, not in public eye which is how it sounds like with CJ/Slowik). CJ needs a coach that he has confidence can match schemes with the best defensive coaches in the league.

And when CJ challenges him in meetings that coach needs to give him answers that make CJ’s head explode and realize he’s a young pup with a lot to learn. According to Lance, it sounds like Ryan Day (not Kirk Wilson) was that coach for CJ at Ohio State.
If rubbing people the wrong way means saying that I heard the same things Zerlien told us before the draft about CJ, then so be it because some posters are way too sensitive when it comes to CJ. They dont like the truth that CJ just might be hard to work with because he's 0-2 when it comes to getting along with OC's and it should make them wonder how CJ gets along with the next OC hire when things dont go CJ's way, which you know things dont always go smoothly. The level that some posters will go too and deny what a respected national/local journalist tried to tell them was going on behind the scenes tells me they would rather bury their heads in the sand than accept the truth.

When they drafted CJ they got a supremely talented QB with certain warts that the Texans willingly accepted when they drafted him. Hopefully he grows out of this. I think he will, but there are reasons for concerns whether some want to admit it or not.
 
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Jonathan Jones and Kyle Long on Pushing the Pile talk about Chip Kelly being the hottest name on the NFL coaching market.. again

“We very well could Kyle. Chip Kelly, going back to when he was at UCLA still had interest in the NFL.. Chip Kelly is not going to be a head coach again in the NFL. Will he be an offensive coordinator in the NFL? I think that suits him quite nicely.. I do know for a fact that he’s at or near the top of multiple teams lists for offensive coordinator.

In Jacksonville Liam Coen, however, Liam Coen’s going to be calling offensive plays. I don’t know that Chip Kelly—you bring in Chip Kelly, you better have him call offensive plays.

That’s why the Houston Texans make the most sense for Chip Kelly. Having just fired Bobby Slowik, having DeMeco Ryans a defensive head coach who is going to seed complete and full control and authority to his offensive coordinator for the offense, and of course, their background. I mentioned Chip Kelly coaching with the Philadelphia Eagles, DeMeco Ryans played for atime for the Philadelphia Eagles, they know one another. They go back like rock and chairs. So with all of this, you could see this potential union taking place. Wouldn’t be surprised as interviews go on. If it does happen, that it could happen in the next week or so.”

[Kyle Long, former player for Chip Kelly at Oregon, gives his bidding]
 
If rubbing people the wrong way means saying that I heard the same things Zerlien told us before the draft about CJ, then so be it because some posters are way 2 sensitive when it comes to CJ. They dont like the truth that CJ just might be hard to work with because he's 0-2 when it comes to getting a long with OC's and it should make them wonder how CJ gets a long with the next OC hire when things dont go CJ'way, which you know things dont always go smoothly. The level that some posters will go too and deny what a respected national/local jounalist tried to tell them was going on behind the scenes tells me they would rather bury their heads in the sand than accept the truth.

When they drafted CJ they got a supremely talented QB with certain warts that the Texans willingly accepted when they drafted him. Hopefully he grows out ofTHIS. I think he will, but there are reasons for concerns whether some want to admit it or not.
Not only that. They saw his body language all season. ALL season.
 
Zierlein told the same story just prior to the 2023 draft. Remember, he had Tyree Wilson and Will Levis going to the Texans in his mock. Lance hasn't broken news on the Texans since Ryans came to town. He just doesn't have the contacts there he once had.
Bobby just got fired after NO ONE thought he would. It’s not that hard to see Stroud is the reason. Mulugheta is in Hannah’s ear.
 
It's not just that. They are looking for dirt to support their Stroud narrative.
Saying this is what I heard before the draft and the only guy that CJ would listen to was Day isn't looking for dirt. I'm not looking for Zerlien to support what I heard before the draft. I heard what I heard and there's no narrative there.
 
Bobby just got fired after NO ONE thought he would. It’s not that hard to see Stroud is the reason. Mulugheta is in Hannah’s ear.
Come contract David the man from parts we cant talk aboubt around these parts is going to break it off in Hannah/Cal. Good luck with that.
 
Stroud was visibly pouting all season and checked out when talking to Bobby on the sidelines.
CJ was getting rocked by the blitz, and Slowik had no answer. People have selective memory, but Stroud was holding private practices in the offseason with his receivers, getting Diggs familiar in the offense. Everything was positive until the Vikings, then the Packers game. That's when things began to turn. No answers for stunts, no hot reads for the blitz, continually putting Kenyon Green on the field. No adjustments. No answers. Here we are. If someone had to go, damn straight it was going to be Bobby Slowik.
 
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