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AFC Divisional Playoff Round; Houston Texans vs Kansas City Chiefs - Game Thread

steelbtexan said:
When 2 men cant block one man, it's time to find two new men. If you condense the formation, you're inviting even more blitzing and with the Texans struggling to pickup the blitz that's a terrible idea IMHO.
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If heavy formations invites blitzing, what do you think bunch formations with Metchie and Schultz blocking edge rushers invites?

The drive to open the 3rd quarter might have been the best drive of the season. What was different about that drive? We saw formations with an extra OL. We saw usage of a blocking TE and a FB.

So, the question still remains. If Schultz has been missing blocks all season, at what point do you adjust by using Smith as the blocking TE or a FB to help with the blocking?
 
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steelbtexan said:
Schultz sucks.

Luckily this is a good TE class.

If you noticed, Smith made a great block on Mixon's TD run. When has Schultz ever blocked like this? Gotta add a vet TE that can block this off-season in addition to drafting one.
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Yeah, I really hope we draft one early on. Shouldn’t hang onto schultz 1 more year because his contract is up in 2026. Trade him for a 5th or 6th. I mean no one should be guaranteed a spot on this offense besides Nico, Cj, Mixon, Tunsil and maybe Patterson. The o line will be addressed through free agency and the draft. The receivers should be dealt with through free agency. Not really high on star receivers after the Diggs experiment. Just sign 3 solid wide outs. Look at the commanders. We addressed the defense early on in last season draft. It’s time to do it for the offense. Nick is going to have to act fast. Get these guys working out together during the late summer. Develop the chemistry and don’t jinx yourselves in the pivot interviews
 
steelbtexan said:
When 2 men cant block one man, it's time to find two new men. If you condense the formation, you're inviting even more blitzing and with the Texans struggling to pickup the blitz that's a terrible idea IMHO.
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I’ve seen players like Watt, Donald beat double teams on a regular against stout offensive linemen. So do those teams get rid of those all pro type linemen because they got beat a few times? Come on be realistic.
 
Earl34 said:
If heavy formations invites blitzing what do you think bunch formations with Metchie and Schultz blocking edge rushers invites?

The drive to open the 3rd quarter might have been the best drive of the season. What was different about that drive? We saw formations with an extra OL. We saw usage of a blocking TE and a FB.

So, the question still remains. If Schultz has been missing blocks all season at what point do you adjust by using Smith as the blocking TE or a FB to help with the blocking?
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I liked how they sent 83 in motion, and he blocks down on either the DE or LB. That opened up the running game and we finally got a few good runs by Mixon to the right side of the formation.
 
Hervoyel said:
Entire OL is an across the board "dirty diaper" of a unit. So bad it makes it look like someone was trying to get CJ killed.
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I'm not going to argue that. The OL needs to be improved.

But at least 4 sacks yesterday were squarely on S2roud. When he decides to leave the pocket he's got to go, he's got to be decisive. He can't be second guessing himself, to run, not run, throw, not throw... just go.
 
And the Texans made several mistakes. That is why even though Houston reached the divisional round for consecutive seasons, Ryans said he was "discouraged" about Saturday's outcome.
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www.espn.com

Anderson: Was Texans 'vs. refs' in loss to Chiefs

After Saturday's 23-14 AFC divisional round loss to the Kansas City Chiefs in which some penalty calls worked against the Texans, Houston defensive end Will Anderson Jr. said, "We knew it was going to be us versus the refs going into this game."
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As much as I like Demeco, I gotta say I regret his reported choice of words at the end of the game, especially when he said he was "discouraged".
Personally I was not, but I was certainly disappointed about the loss but I'm not discouraged, even though I may have been at the end of the regular
season, but I now feel as if CJ has redeemed himself since that because of his playoff performances vs the Chargers & Chiefs.
Were those performances perfect: of course not ? But in general, on balance our franchise QB is OK and I believe that whatever other problems we might have are solvable. Why coming out of the P/Os we find ourselves with a QB who's showing to a certain degree some real signs of mobility
which is a definite and valuable upgrade over the rookie version of CJ.
Lets not forget that CJ was playing with a highly depleted WR corps: solvable.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I’ve seen players like Watt, Donald beat double teams on a regular against stout offensive linemen. So do those teams get rid of those all pro type linemen because they got beat a few times? Come on be realistic.
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I'm being realistic, you named 2 HOF guys and that happens. Do you think George K is a HOF level talent?
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm not going to argue that. The OL needs to be improved.

But at least 4 sacks yesterday were squarely on S2roud. When he decides to leave the pocket he's got to go, he's got to be decisive. He can't be second guessing himself, to run, not run, throw, not throw... just go.
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I commented on one of the first sacks…. Can’t remember which one, but he bailed out of the pocket and right into the sack. Had he climbed the pocket it was clean and he could have run for a chunk
 
Texansballer74 said:
I’ve seen players like Watt, Donald beat double teams on a regular against stout offensive linemen. So do those teams get rid of those all pro type linemen because they got beat a few times? Come on be realistic.
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I saw quality DL play on that field but I didn’t see anyone on the level of prime Watt or Donald out there. The guys destroying the Texans OL all day long were good, not epic defenders.
 
steelbtexan said:
QB's can check in a WCO?

Also the time/down and distance mattered on the plays Schultz got beat on.
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In the WCO today, most calls actually have two plays built into the call, giving the quarterback the option to “can” or trash the first call and shift to the second call if the defense shows a certain look they don’t like.......................and there is always the option to call a TO.
 
Hervoyel said:
I saw quality DL play on that field but I didn’t see anyone on the level of prime Watt or Donald out there. The ghys destroying the Texans OL all day long were good, not epic defenders.
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Just an example and that’s it. I’ve seen average players beat double teams out there too. Yall remember Ninja right and even Barwin winning on some of those double team.
 
steelbtexan said:
I want Fannin depending on how does at the combine and add a vet TE like Saubert in FA. The reason why is Fannin can play in the slot and be an OD level bloking TE. He's a weapon. If you want a more traditional TE then Loveland should be the guy at 1-25. I can guarantee you he wouldn't look like Schultz did today trying to block George K. Would you rather get a guy like Trey Harris or Savion Williams at 1-25 and Fannin at 2-57. Or Loveland at 1-25 and a guy like Golden at 2-57?
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They won't draft Fannin, he's too much like Jordan. I'm not saying they shouldn't, I'm just saying
 
I guess we're gonna act like Shaiir can't cover my mama! Vs Lions, St Brown right by him, completion. This game, the only real threat, Kelce, he's looking in the backfield, give a a td to Kelce. Nobody can convince me Dare is a better option on 3rd down than Mixon.
 
Hoegarden said:
No, there was a way to win this game. But our offense will not beat many teams, much less, the Chiefs if you only score one TD, allow 8 sacks, and have special teams play like that.
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Our offensive line started out well but it went downhill when the refs negated the momentum we had and we couldn't capitalize on deep drives into Chiefs territory. I know we had offensive line issues all season but in the early going of this game they ran blocked well and gave CJ some time to throw the football. The problem is that with the time CJ had there was rarely an open receiver and CJ couldn't get his receivers open by force of will. Add to that the refs making our team work much harder than they would have had to for us to score more points than the Chiefs. The stats say it all. Even with our offensive line allowing 8 sacks we had a statistical advantage. Whatever chance we had of winning that game was taken away by referees who let the Chiefs defense key in on CJ and ignore obvious holding calls against their offensive line. Don't you remember how the game started? Our defense was all over Mahomes. The refs took note of that and took that away from us. I am not one for conspiracy theories in sports but anyone with any objectivity at all could see that the refs seemed to be against us. Yes there was a way to win and that way was for us to be perfect and maintain momentum even in the face of what was obviously the refs calling the game in such a way that they seemed to be part of the Chiefs team. Our best chance of winning would have been for Diggs and Dell to be mostly or fully healthy. That wasn't the case. I think when healthy we could match up with most teams in the NFL. Hopefully there is more oversite at the end of this season and the referees will have a harder time determining the outcome of games.
 
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leebigeztx said:
I guess we're gonna act like Shaiir can't cover my mama! Vs Lions, St Brown right by him, completion. This game, the only real threat, Kelce, he's looking in the backfield, give a a td to Kelce. Nobody can convince me Dare is a better option on 3rd down than Mixon.
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A 3rd down RB is a big need this off-season.
 
steelbtexan said:
Agreed, but Fannin is so much better than Jordan will ever be.

Gotta get CJ more weapons
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What do you think of CU Buffs WR Jimmy Horn Jr? I am a fan of college football but I am no draft expert and I differ to others such as yourself. I am a CU Buffs fan and have been since 85 so I am not just a Prime fan.
 
austins23 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1880774296404189658
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Games can't be rigged. There is no way with the speed and physicality of most games that everything can fall into place for the odds makers. Referees can try to dictate that games fit into the odds but most of the players themselves simply play to win. This given video shows a player taking advantage of a chance to fix the score but in no way can the players all play a part as if in a play to please odds makers. Far too many games don't fit into what the odds makers would like to dictate. Outside of basketball and point shaving and boxing where boxers can fix fights it is hard to fix most sports. Referees can try to make phantom calls in order to try to get the desired outcome but even with that happening it is hard to fix any sport. Odds are wrong far too often for there to be a fix or for games to be rigged.
 
TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
Games can't be rigged. There is no way with the speed and physicality of most games that everything can fall into place for the odds makers. Referees can try to dictate that games fit into the odds but most of the players themselves simply play to win. This given video shows a player taking advantage of a chance to fix the score but in no way can the players all play a part as if in a play to please odds makers. Far too many games don't fit into what the odds makers would like to dictate. Outside of basketball and point shaving and boxing where boxers can fix fights it is hard to fix most sports. Referees can try to make phantom calls in order to try to get the desired outcome but even with that happening it is hard to fix any sport. Odds are wrong far too often for there to be a fix or for games to be rigged.
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Keep telling yourself this
 
steelbtexan said:
Keep telling yourself this
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I will. If games were rigged ALL games would fit the odds makers odds or determine the desired outcome. Referees can try to get the desired outcome but most of the players themselves aren't actors in a play. Try as the referees may they can't always get the desired outcome. Can a few players be paid off? Sure they can but there is no perfect way to fix games. The sport of football is the hardest sport to fix. If the games were fixed why are our Texans players and coaches upset? They would have to be in on the fix and they wouldn't question the referees calls. If you really think the whole sport is rigged why follow college football and scouting it's players and why watch the NFL? I am fine with the possibility that the referees are paid off to try to dictate the outcome of games and their odds but the idea that all the players are like actors in a play and they all play a role I just don't buy. Some players can be paid off to try to get a desired outcome but the whole sport can't be rigged or fixed. The purpose of gambling is to take risk and knowing you are likely to lose. It makes winning that much sweeter. I myself hate gambling unless it is on slot machines because for me slots are fun but I can understand just the same how some people find gambling on sports as just as much fun as I find slots. When i gamble on slots I know full well that I likely will lose all or most all my money but if I can play for a while and I set a certain amount I am comfortable in losing I am I fine with taking my chances.

Anyway, I will just agree to disagree. There isn't much that can be debated. Sometimes games fit the odds makers odds or then wins and losses of teams but it would happen way more often than it happens if they could get all the players and referees to play their part in the fix. If I was as certain as some of you that games are fixed or rigged I wouldn't be on this board or supporting my favorite team.
 
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TxnsJuggernaut1 said:
I will. If games were rigged ALL games would fit the odds makers odds or determine the desired outcome. Referees can try to get the desired outcome but most of the players themselves aren't actors in a play. Try as the referees may they can't always get the desired outcome. Can a few players be paid off? Sure they can but there is no perfect way to fix games. The sport of football is the hardest sport to fix. If the games were fixed why are our Texans players and coaches upset? They would have to be in on the fix and they wouldn't question the referees calls. If you really think the whole sport is rigged why follow college football and scouting it's players and why watch the NFL? I am fine with the possibility that the referees are paid off to try to dictate the outcome of games and their odds but the idea that all the players are like actors in a play and they all play a role I just don't buy. Some players can be paid off to try to get a desired outcome but the whole sport can't be rigged or fixed. The purpose of gambling is to take risk and knowing you are likely to lose. It makes winning that much sweeter. I myself hate gambling unless it is on slot machines because for me slots are fun but I can understand just the same how some people find gambling on sports as just as much fun as I find slots. When i gamble on slots I know full well that I likely will lose all or most all my money but if I can play for a while and I set a certain amount I am comfortable in losing an amount I am I fine with.

Anyway, I will just agree to disagree. There isn't much that can be debated. Sometimes games fit the odds makers odds or then wins and losses of teams but it would happen way more often than it happens if they could get all the players and referees to play their part in the fix. If I was as certain as some of you that games are fixed or rigged I wouldn't be on this board or supporting my favorite team.
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You keep telling yourself this.

I'm certainly not going to change your mind.

Rams vs Saints NFCCG, Google that game up and get back with me.
 
I’m looking at the teams the Texans have to beat to get over the hump: Chiefs, Ravens and Bills.

If i’m Nick/DeMeco I am spending my offseason building a team that can beat them in January. All those teams play outdoors, likely going to have to play in bad weather to get to the big dance.

So what does this team need?

I hear the comments about WRs but to me TE is a bigger need. We need TEs that can block AND we need passing game weapons for CJ. I think improving at TE is better value if you want to win a bad weather game in January.

Having a WR that can run by the defense is nice playing at NRG but there is no better lockdown CB in the league than mother nature. Short passing game and running game is where this team needs to focus.

Obviously OL needs to improve. Interior OL specifically and OL coach needs to change.

Then the route combos need to be addressed. Keep Slowik, teach Slowik, whatever you do you shouldn’t have targets running to the same area as often as this team does.

And when you fix these problems C.J. needs to raise his level of play to an MVP level like Mahomes, Allen and Jackson. Nothing else matters if he can’t make the players around him better.

The other 3 QBs do that. They throw to JAG players the team can upgrade as well. They don’t make a lot of Nicos so gotta elevate the Metchies of the world that will get targets.

If a Khalil Shakir or Rashod Bateman are good enough for Allen and Jackson then a comparable talent should be good enough for C.J.
 
TheRealJoker V2 said:
I’m looking at the teams the Texans have to beat to get over the hump: Chiefs, Ravens and Bills.

If i’m Nick/DeMeco I am spending my offseason building a team that can beat them in January. All those teams play outdoors, likely going to have to play in bad weather to get to the big dance.

So what does this team need?

I hear the comments about WRs but to me TE is a bigger need. We need TEs that can block AND we need passing game weapons for CJ. I think improving at TE is better value if you want to win a bad weather game in January.

Having a WR that can run by the defense is nice playing at NRG but there is no better lockdown CB in the league than mother nature. Short passing game and running game is where this team needs to focus.

Obviously OL needs to improve. Interior OL specifically and OL coach needs to change.

Then the route combos need to be addressed. Keep Slowik, teach Slowik, whatever you do you shouldn’t have targets running to the same area as often as this team does.

And when you fix these problems C.J. needs to raise his level of play to an MVP level like Mahomes, Allen and Jackson. Nothing else matters if he can’t make the players around him better.

The other 3 QBs do that. They throw to JAG players the team can upgrade as well. They don’t make a lot of Nicos so gotta elevate the Metchies of the world that will get targets.

If a Khalil Shakir or Rashod Bateman are good enough for Allen and Jackson then a comparable talent should be good enough for C.J.
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Yup. As of now I’m all in on Tyler Warren from Penn State. We need a dynamic playmaker at that position.
 
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