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CJ Stroud year 2

cland said:
Yep, this is exactly the point I was trying to make. I want him to move from elite to GOATish. I want the Chiefs game to be announced as a meeting of the two best QBs in the league. Is that fair to a 2nd year QB in his first game back -- Nope. :winky:
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Give it time, give it time, give it time. They’ll get there in do season.
 
thunderkyss said:
But it's different right? You trust Cj is harder on himself than any of us ever will be. He wasn't perfect.

It's not like David Carr, he saw the same thing on film that we did & never got better.

I can see making an issue, bringing up his errors on a message board, discussing the "issues" when it comes to a guy like that. But Cj?

It's not like we're ignoring them. Just rather discuss the good. than dwell on the one or two plays that "could have" gone the other way.
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For sure, but it's a discussion board not an echo chamber.

It requires both sides.
 
Lucky said:
The Colts defense had dead legs. With the Colts offense unable to stay on the field, the Time of Possession was 2 to 1 in the Texans favor. Control the clock. Still an important aspect of winning football.
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It was so surprising because I thought the script would have been flipped.

Always thought Steichen would be the one focused on ToP but they were really just relying on 3 or 4 explosives and not doing much else besides that.

Lucky said:
Stroud had a 115 QB rating, completed 75% of his passes, made a money throw to ice the game. And he could have played better. Not his A game.

Not a bad place to be in.
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100%
 
www.espn.com

'The man is a football junkie': How C.J. Stroud has earned right to take command of Texans

No longer a rookie, Houston's quarterback worked with coaches all offseason to make this his team.
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Offensive coordinator Bobby Slowik was discussing a pass play and how he wanted the receivers to run routes against the Colts' Cover 3 look. Receiver Stefon Diggs spoke up, saying he thought the routes should be shorter.

After a few minutes of back-and-forth between coaches and players, everyone turned around and looked at quarterback C.J. Stroud for the final say. When Slowik asked him, he sided with the receivers.

"When we came back in the spring and started working with guys, we honed in on certain things," Ryans told ESPN. "For C.J., it was just about taking more command, and he's done that. The man is a football junkie. That's the one thing you have to have from the quarterback spot ... and that's what allows C.J. to be great."
 
Sweech said:
Always thought Steichen would be the one focused on ToP but they were really just relying on 3 or 4 explosives and not doing much else besides that.
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I'm pretty sure Steichen was focused on ToP... but there's only so much you can do when you're up against a better team. That day, we were the better team.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm pretty sure Steichen was focused on ToP... but there's only so much you can do when you're up against a better team. That day, we were the better team.
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Agree. There is the coach focusing on ToP, and the team executing ToP. From the Colts board, Steichen said "They would defend the run on the way to the QB." There's no way that he expected the running game to go off (nor did any of us here) like it did.

In the grand scheme of things, that's exactly how I (the opposing coach) would have prepared my defense for the Texans, knowing what he knew then. Guard the receivers and rush the passer, and let the hapless run offense have it's chance. They did a pretty good job of it, sparingly mixing in successful blitzes. The problem was that the Texans had developed a running game during the off-season that was the perfect counter to that defense. If I would assign blame, it would be that the Colts never changed that style of defense when it was clear that running game was taking over the game. Then again even when they were trying to stop the run (last drive) it didn't work anyways, but that was likely just pure fatigue by Colts D.
 
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thunderkyss said:
I'm pretty sure Steichen was focused on ToP... but there's only so much you can do when you're up against a better team. That day, we were the better team.
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If that were the case I would have tried harder to get JT going.

They were absolutely going the deep play route a lot more than a team trying to go ToP would go. We all know the ones Richardson made, but there were ones he missed and a few others that just didn't happen for one reason or another, but it was definitely seeming like their main strategy.
 
Sweech said:
If that were the case I would have tried harder to get JT going.

They were absolutely going the deep play route a lot more than a team trying to go ToP would go. We all know the ones Richardson made, but there were ones he missed and a few others that just didn't happen for one reason or another, but it was definitely seeming like their main strategy.
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maybe. Looked to me like they were trying to get it going, found themselves in 3rd & long & they couldn't convert.

But I'll watch it again.
 
thunderkyss said:
But it's different right? You trust Cj is harder on himself than any of us ever will be. He wasn't perfect.

It's not like David Carr, he saw the same thing on film that we did & never got better.

I can see making an issue, bringing up his errors on a message board, discussing the "issues" when it comes to a guy like that. But Cj?

It's not like we're ignoring them. Just rather discuss the good. than dwell on the one or two plays that "could have" gone the other way.
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Bringing up and discussing a few bad plays isn't dwelling.
 
Lucky said:
Stroud had a 115 QB rating, completed 75% of his passes, made a money throw to ice the game. And he could have played better. Not his A game.

Not a bad place to be in.
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Exactly and the fact that although he just played OK, he came up big on that throw on the last drive of the game. ( A perfectly placed pass) That was clutch and what winning QB's do.
 
thunderkyss said:
maybe. Looked to me like they were trying to get it going, found themselves in 3rd & long & they couldn't convert.

But I'll watch it again.
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thunderkyss said:
maybe. Looked to me like they were trying to get it going, found themselves in 3rd & long & they couldn't convert.

But I'll watch it again.
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The Texans defense dominated minus 3 plays and a blocked punt.

They've gotta get the ST's cleaned up. I'm surprised nobody has brought this up yet.
 
steelbtexan said:
The Texans defense dominated minus 3 plays and a blocked punt.

They've gotta get the ST's cleaned up. I'm surprised nobody has brought this up yet.
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If we had lost that would have been one of the headlnes (look at the titans game), we won so it was just a 'shite happens' moment. But you're right, that was giving the Colts a free touchdown.

The truth is we made some first-week, knuckleheaded mistakes that kept the Colts close. Luckily, Robinson is so inaccurate he didn't make us pay for the (other) secondary miscommunications.

I feel like the Bears game will be a chance to iron those mistakes out, the Vikings game will put the polish on them, and then the Texans will be ready to get into the meat of the schedule against another divisional rival.
 
cland said:
The truth is he could have 2 (maybe 3) interceptions that he was lucky on. The fact that the defensive player was just ever so slightly out-of-bounds on the short lob was lucky, and the fact that he under-threw to a double covered Nico Collins could have been another one. In that case his rating would have gone down significantly. CJ is already elite 1 season and 1 game into it and I'm not arguing that (I'm amazed by it), but if we want to go all the way the team has to set a higher standard.
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OK, so does he lose his elite status because of almost interceptions and an underthrown yet caught ball 50+ yards downfield?

And what do you mean the team needs to set a higher standard? How would the team set a higher standard to CJ's play on Sunday?
 
cland said:
If we had lost that would have been one of the headlnes (look at the titans game), we won so it was just a 'shite happens' moment. But you're right, that was giving the Colts a free touchdown.

The truth is we made some first-week, knuckleheaded mistakes that kept the Colts close. Luckily, Robinson is so inaccurate he didn't make us pay for the (other) secondary miscommunications.

I feel like the Bears game will be a chance to iron those mistakes out, the Vikings game will put the polish on them, and then the Texans will be ready to get into the meat of the schedule against another divisional rival.
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Who's Robinson?
 
sandman said:
OK, so does he lose his elite status because of almost interceptions and an underthrown yet caught ball 50+ yards downfield?

And what do you mean the team needs to set a higher standard? How would the team set a higher standard to CJ's play on Sunday?
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Yes he would have. I would have asked the NFL to rescind his rookie records and see if the Panthers had any interest in exchanging Bryce Young for CJ and a few of our first round picks.
 
steelbtexan said:
Apparently so,

The question is why did the mods do this, or allow this to be done?

This appears to be a case of the mods just doing whatever the heck they want to do.
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It is their forum. We are just observers.

It could have been done better to get more participation from other posters. A suggestion thread, and then open it to a vote.

That would have been fun and more inclusive.
 
TexansBull said:
It is their forum. We are just observers.

It could have been done better to get more participation from other posters. A suggestion thread, and then open it to a vote.

That would have been fun and more inclusive.
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That's not what they do around these parts.
 
I don’t watch much TV so I’m no doubt reporting old news but I just saw CJ in a Lowe’s commercial. Does he do HEB too?
 
Since I've seen that commercial, I've been really craving brisket queso.. God I wish I had some right now and a whole bag of tortilla chips 😁
 
Lucky said:
I do not know what the thread was previously named. I doubt you do, as well. But some of you just like to whine, so someone did you a service and found you something to whine about. Congratulations.
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You are who you are, thanks for putting it in writing.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Yes .

I started the thread and don’t have any issues with the new title. Lol I’m thinking Thunder changed it.
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I dont really have an issue with changing the name of a thread.

I do have an issue with mods doing whatever they feel like doing, rules be damned. I'm not the only person who thinks this, some mods even disagree with the way things are around here. But they're in the minority and since the administrator mod got a new job and is MIA, this has given mods free reign to do as they wish. Unchecked power leads to issues. I'll put it to you this way, I've met quite a few friends on this MB and I'm very greatful, but this isn't the MB I joined back in 2007.
 
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