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CJ Stroud year 2

leebigeztx said:
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What's weird is he wasn't really under pressure on the int.

When you've got a rep for being bad under pressure you better believe BB is going to bring pressure with disguised looks on the backend. It really was a great learning experience for Stroud's 1st game to be against a BB defense. He will get better.
 
steelbtexan said:
What's weird is he wasn't really under pressure on the int.

When you've got a rep for being bad under pressure you better believe BB is going to bring pressure with disguised looks on the backend. It really was a great learning experience for Stroud's 1st game to be against a BB defense. He will get better.
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NE did some exotic things in preseason mode. The oline with basically 2nd stringers didn't help. On the int it was Stroud trying to get a bigger chunk vs check down and punt. The retreat sack was bad, this isn't college. That play and protection was bad from the snap. When it's a breakdown like that, just eat it and loses 5 or 6 yds vs 13 or 14 yds.
 
sprtsfanatic said:
I know this is off topic...but since people mentioned AR15...does he always throw side or 3/4 arm??? Ball comes flying out but one would think that from that slot and delivery platform a lot of balls are going to get batted down
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It's funny because it looks like he releases the football a different way every time yet he didn't have a single batted ball
 
Rpgczar said:
It's funny because it looks like he releases the football a different way every time yet he didn't have a single batted ball
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RIGHT!?!? Thats crazy!! Its a good thing they had their entire starting Oline in there to give him a reasonably clean pocket on most throws...but man his release is all over the place EXCEPT over the top!!
 
sprtsfanatic said:
RIGHT!?!? Thats crazy!! Its a good thing they had their entire starting Oline in there to give him a reasonably clean pocket on most throws...but man his release is all over the place EXCEPT over the top!!
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Their starting right tackle was missing. A ROOKIE played in his spot. Another thing in the training camp video released today it looked like he changed his throwing motion again to a higher release,but if he can't be consistent it may cause inaccuracy issues.
 
Rpgczar said:
Their starting right tackle was missing. A ROOKIE played in his spot. Another thing in the training camp video released today it looked like he changed his throwing motion again to a higher release,but if he can't be consistent it may cause inaccuracy issues.
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ball sure comes out like its coming out of a cannon though....arm is as advertised for sure
 
steelbtexan said:
Lowered expectations?
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He’s a rookie, you should have low expectations near term and extremely high long term, you seem to have extremely high expectations of him now and extremely low expectations for the future.

He was running a very basic O and he looked competent doing it, which is a big stride from a week ago where they rattled him early and he fell apart.

We’ll see what base we are building from once the regular season gets going. Just a reminder that even the best ones don’t usually look good at this point of their career.
 
welsh texan said:
He’s a rookie, you should have low expectations near term and extremely high long term, you seem to have extremely high expectations of him now and extremely low expectations for the future.

He was running a very basic O and he looked competent doing it, which is a big stride from a week ago where they rattled him early and he fell apart.

We’ll see what base we are building from once the regular season gets going. Just a reminder that even the best ones don’t usually look good at this point of their career.
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For the record I expect long term Stroud to be avg to slightly above avg. I wouldn't call this low expectations.
 
Stroud’s ball placement and accuracy were on-point. But he still feels like a guy sleeping in someone else’s bed. He needs to get more comfortable with the offense and become the focal point and distributor of the ball, and make more plays when the chips are down at key moments.

He made some progress, but if this CJ shows up at Baltimore we have no chance of winning. Long way to go for the young man but the arrow is at least pointing up.
 
Stroud looked great against Miami. A couple of miscues were expected from a rookie. He made some elites throws that restored the faith of the fanbase.

Conversely, Bryce Young did not do well yesterday. He looked like Stroud from week 1.

Stroud's performance yesterday was the best of any of the rookie QB's who played against starters in the past two weeks.
 
As of Saturday, Meco said no day 1 starter has been named yet. However, stated that we will see the starter vs Baltimore. IMO, CJ is the starter unless he really plays bad vs the Saints or the staff want to let him sit a few games to get a better feel for the speed. As no question, even sitting game 1 &2 for example will give him a perfect view of everything on the field. And allow him to practice on what he needs to clean up from seeing it in a game.



 
SnakeEyes said:
As of Saturday, Meco said no day 1 starter has been named yet. However, stated that we will see the starter vs Baltimore. IMO, CJ is the starter unless he really plays bad vs the Saints or the staff want to let him sit a few games to get a better feel for the speed. As no question, even sitting game 1 &2 for example will give him a perfect view of everything on the field. And allow him to practice on what he needs to clean up from seeing it in a game.



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I've made the same point and people think I'm crazy. I think he'd be well served by opening as the backup or even #3 for anywhere from 1 - 4 games and then throw him to the wolves. Do I think it will happen? Nope. He's trending toward starting but I'm with you. Taking the pressure off, even for a short time might do him some longer-term good.
 
Porky said:
I've made the same point and people think I'm crazy.
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No one thinks you're crazy, it's just that the benefits for Stroud to watch rather than play have not been articulated. Stroud is not going to feel the speed of the game by watching. He needs to get the experience of seeing the different coverages and rush packages in real time. If Stroud not had plenty of experience at a power 5 school, yeah he would need to see how a pro QB runs the offense. But CJ isn't having issues picking up the offense. He's ready to find out what playing QB in the NFL is all about.
 
Lucky said:
No one thinks you're crazy, it's just that the benefits for Stroud to watch rather than play have not been articulated. Stroud is not going to feel the speed of the game by watching. He needs to get the experience of seeing the different coverages and rush packages in real time. If Stroud not had plenty of experience at a power 5 school, yeah he would need to see how a pro QB runs the offense. But CJ isn't having issues picking up the offense. He's ready to find out what playing QB in the NFL is all about.
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Well stated. Good food for thought. That's what this forum should be about. Ultimately, your style is going to win out. CJ is starting. I have very little doubt about that. I think there's at least some debate if that is appropriate, but you made a great case for it.
 
Porky said:
I've made the same point and people think I'm crazy. I think he'd be well served by opening as the backup or even #3 for anywhere from 1 - 4 games and then throw him to the wolves. Do I think it will happen? Nope. He's trending toward starting but I'm with you. Taking the pressure off, even for a short time might do him some longer-term good.
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Lucky said:
No one thinks you're crazy, it's just that the benefits for Stroud to watch rather than play have not been articulated. Stroud is not going to feel the speed of the game by watching. He needs to get the experience of seeing the different coverages and rush packages in real time. If Stroud not had plenty of experience at a power 5 school, yeah he would need to see how a pro QB runs the offense. But CJ isn't having issues picking up the offense. He's ready to find out what playing QB in the NFL is all about.
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Thinking out loud and my recollection could be wrong so correct me -

I think you have to look at the last few drafts to see how some of the top QBs have done. And look if they sat or started their rookie year. Even if by sitting on the bench was because of injury.

Mahomes - sat then started.
Herbert - sat a 1 games (?) and then started
Burrow - started right away but then got hurt and sat
Tua - started and then benched then started?
Pickett- sat then started
Lawerence- started never sat
Josh Allen - sat then started
Lamar Jackson - sat then started

There are a lot of guys who sat their rookie year by design or injury. Not saying there is a correlation. Just saying.

I really don’t care one way or the other. Whatever coach decides I will be supportive.
 
Porky said:
I've made the same point and people think I'm crazy. I think he'd be well served by opening as the backup or even #3 for anywhere from 1 - 4 games and then throw him to the wolves. Do I think it will happen? Nope. He's trending toward starting but I'm with you. Taking the pressure off, even for a short time might do him some longer-term good.
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You're probably right, but they didn't draft him to do this. Can't sell merch sitting on the bench.

I would start him and let him sink or swim.
 
If this was year two of Slowick's offense & I was reasonably sure the OL knew his system & was able to perform well in that system, I'd have no qualms starting a rookie QB.

But what I've seen in the two preseason games... eh... I think protection will be there. I don't think he's going to have the support of an effective run game, or a defense that will slow things down for him. Meaning they can keep the score low keeping him in the game & get him extra opportunities with turnovers.
 
TexansBull said:
Thinking out loud and my recollection could be wrong so correct me -

I think you have to look at the last few drafts to see how some of the top QBs have done. And look if they sat or started their rookie year. Even if by sitting on the bench was because of injury.

Mahomes - sat then started.
Herbert - sat a 1 games (?) and then started
Burrow - started right away but then got hurt and sat
Tua - started and then benched then started?
Pickett- sat then started
Lawerence- started never sat
Josh Allen - sat then started
Lamar Jackson - sat then started

There are a lot of guys who sat their rookie year by design or injury. Not saying there is a correlation. Just saying.

I really don’t care one way or the other. Whatever coach decides I will be supportive.
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Josh Allen started week 1 I'm fairly sure
 
steelbtexan said:
You're probably right, but they didn't draft him to do this. Can't sell merch sitting on the bench.

I would start him and let him sink or swim.
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You won't sell merch if he sucks.

I'll trust Coach Ryans to make the right decision for the player and the team. I doubt he gives a crap about merch sales, and I do not believe for a second that management has a say on when he plays.
 
Khelar said:
But he started the season for 6 games sat for like a month for whatever reason and then finished out the last 6 games. Don't know how much that counts
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2-4 in the first 6 games. 6th game was a loss to the Texans. He sat for a month. Came back and finished 3-3 over last 6 games. I don’t think he actually started GM1, but did come in, in relief. 12 games….11 starts.
 
Khelar said:
But he started the season for 6 games sat for like a month for whatever reason and then finished out the last 6 games. Don't know how much that counts
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That’s the point I was making. You interpret this data as you like but most of those QBs sat at some point during their rookie year and watched for one reason or another.

I may be wrong about Tua. Herbert sat for a game. Lawerence never sat.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Come on, guys.

We're on the internet.

The first pass thrown by a Buffalo Bill in 2018 in the first game against the Ravens was Nathan Peterman, not Josh Allen. Josh Allen came in with 11:22 in the 3rd quarter when the Bills were already down 40-0.
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Start Savage get Watson.
Start Peterman get Allen.
Start Taylor get Herbert.

Start Keenum/Mills get best version of Stroud?
 
TexansBull said:
That’s the point I was making. You interpret this data as you like but most of those QBs sat at some point during their rookie year and watched for one reason or another.

I may be wrong about Tua. Herbert sat for a game. Lawerence never sat.
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What would be informative is, how well did the "other" qbs perform while the eventual starter sat?

By some accounts, Stroud and Mills have not separated themselves during TC. If Mills were to start and perform well, how difficult would it be on the coaching staff to make a change without reason? Would we have a qb controversy and how would this affect the team? No, perhaps better to just start Stroud from the start and play him, win or lose. As at least one poster has stated, wins don't matter. This year.
 
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