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Preseason - TEXANS @ New England

CloakNNNdagger said:
I'm not going to continue to repeat what Corrosion and I both independently found from very reliable source within the Texans FO. I'll let those who believe that there was no "forced" pick continue to believe so. There is good reason that Corrosion and I hesitate to share information with the MB.
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But you don't know whom Ryans preferred to draft at QB? That seems like a reasonable question to ask.
 
Earl34 said:
That's true. But with only four pass attempts, that one bad INT dropped the passer rating to 17.7. If the writeups and mainstream sports weren't about click bait headlines or to drive over reactions and discussions, they know that with such a small sample size even an incomplete pass or a checkdown that doesn't get the first down on that play raises the ratings to 56, 74 or even 84.

The minute Stroud threw that INT. I think it was a mistake not to give him another drive. He needs the work. IMHO. The Chiefs are onto something when Reid plays his starters for the first quarter.
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We've already established that the sample size was small. But one cannot just selectively ignore the INT which was a terrible decision and indeed affected his passer rating. If one was selective in picking and choosing what to count and what to ignore, stats could always be manipulated to say almost anything. Stroud's limited performance was simply not good. Let's just keep watching.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The consensus was to pick a vet to lead 2023 and not draft a QB until 2024 when the support team roster would hopefully be built up stronger.
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But that's in direct contradiction to what Ryans said in his January press conference. Not to mention reports that said the Texans were telling other HC candidates that they were taking a QB in the draft.
 
Lucky said:
But that's in direct contradiction to what Ryans said in his January press conference. Not to mention reports that said the Texans were telling other HC candidates that they were taking a QB in the draft.
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Then enters Hannah. Let's just stop this. I really don't care if anyone believes what they want to believe. Everyone is free to believe what they want to believe.............and I accept it.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Then enters Hannah. Let's just stop this. I really don't care if anyone believes what they want to believe. Everyone is free to believe what they want to believe.............and I accept it.
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I'm just asking logical questions. Not saying others believe in the tooth fairy. I can't make someone answer a question they don't want to answer. But do you feel you have always gotten solid info from your sources? What have they gotten right in the past that makes them such a believable source?
 
HouTx11 said:
So CJ goes out there and takes an awful sack and throws an awful interception in his first pre-season game of his NFL career.

I like it. He gets to learn from these mistakes early on and it doesn't even cost the Texans a regular season game.

For CJ, it is the absolute best time to learn from these mistakes so that he can do better when the games actually count.

I hope he does do better and I believe that he will do better with more NFL experience.
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I would have left him in for another series.
 
Earl34 said:
With only four passes thrown. This is so silly.
  • If he took the checkdown for no yards instead of throwing the INT, the passer rating would increase to 78.13
  • If the DB drops the INT, the passer rating increases to 56.25
Sorry. Unless it's some inside joke. I don't get the point or the perceived glee in making multiple posts about a terrible passer rating for 4 passes thrown.
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Pointing out facts is now considered having glee around these parts? SMH
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Then enters Hannah. Let's just stop this. I really don't care if anyone believes what they want to believe. Everyone is free to believe what they want to believe.............and I accept it.
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Only if they also believe in the Tooth Fairy. I expressed an “expressed” opinion. I only threw it out there for discussion. My reason was that the last thing I thought DeMeco would do is NOT start Mills in NE. I don’t know how the competition is in TC but you would think Mills would start given his starts the past two years and out of respect for that. Why? Tells me DeMeco doesn’t play by those rules. Why? Just watching his pressers and interviews it seems he definitely values certain player characteristics mainly energy and enthusiasm with the ability to motivate with those traits. Just doesn’t seem there could be any other reason I can think of not to start Mills. Seemed too deliberate.
 
Lucky said:
I'm just asking logical questions. Not saying others believe in the tooth fairy. I can't make someone answer a question they don't want to answer. But do you feel you have always gotten solid info from your sources? What have they gotten right in the past that makes them such a believable source?
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SMH
 
steelbtexan said:
Then he shouldn't have been picked at 1-2. Settling gets you nowhere.
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There have been many, many QBs that were not highly regarded at draft time, but went on to win the SB and/or to have great NFL career.

On the other hand, there have been highly regarded prospects that became bust or never fulfill their potential.
 
Lucky said:
Do you think that's just for the preseason?
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I friggin hope so. For Europe (I don't know about US), they've shifted to some other host -- DAZN. The controls are generally a little bit better, but it's missing some of the stats and stuff from the old interface.
 
Lucky said:
I'm just asking logical questions. Not saying others believe in the tooth fairy. I can't make someone answer a question they don't want to answer. But do you feel you have always gotten solid info from your sources? What have they gotten right in the past that makes them such a believable source?
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I'm sorry but as the goal seems to be in a not so subtedly manner to discredit me, I've finally learned an important lesson and I'm out of this game.
 
Dejaview said:
The current QB room is not sustainable. It’s good, but two young QB’s who both believe they are starters won’t last. One starting QB and a quality backup vet like Case and a later round developmental young QB is the ideal scenario. I happen to believe CJ is DeMecos choice and that won’t change. Everything will be done to mold him into a leader that will grab the attention of and motivate his teammates and I just get this feeling that DeMeco doesn’t see that quality in Mills.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
I'm not going to continue to repeat what Corrosion and I both independently found from very reliable source within the Texans FO. I'll let those who believe that there was no "forced" pick continue to believe so. There is good reason that Corrosion and I hesitate to share information with the MB.
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I see Dejaview's post as meaning in the current QB situation (CJ/Mills/Case), CJ is DeMeco's choice. I don't think he is referring back to what took place regarding the draft demand/strategy.
 
C
The Pencil Neck said:
I saw that play and thought... well, at least he's been learning from Case. The wrong thing. But he's learning.
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Case took 19 sacks in 2013 in 8 games.
If you prorate it out to 16 games, that would tie for 14 fewest in the league.

For a guy that makes play out of chaos; that's actually pretty good.

Look at guys like Josh Allen.
He ran around trying to make a play very often; nobody ever try to tell him to stop doing it.

 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I'm sorry but as the goal seems to be in a not so subtedly manner to discredit me, I've finally learned an important lesson and I'm out of this game.
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If you didn't want to discuss it why did you bring it up, by telling someone they must believe in the Tooth Fairy?

I don't have any reason to doubt that you and Corrosion have contacts into the FO that gave you info, and appreciate when you bring those views to the forum but expecting everyone to take it as gospel is probably unrealistic, and they have a right to express their opinions just as you do.

I don't find it illogical to believe the ownership or whoever dictated a QB be taken this draft, and I don't think decisions like that are limited to the Texans, sure maybe there are a few owners who are "win at all costs" but most of the owners and the NFL as an organization are here to sell football, not win - they care about the product and making money, as long as somebody wins and revenue stays high they don't really give a damn.

If anyone thinks the NFL is "football" and not an entertainment company whose product is football then they are always going to be disappointed. (not all directed at you just used as a jump-off point).
 
76Texan said:
There have been many, many QBs that were not highly regarded at draft time, but went on to win the SB and/or to have great NFL career.

On the other hand, there have been highly regarded prospects that became bust or never fulfill their potential.
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I dont draft QB's at 1-1, 1-2 etc... unless that QB is considered to be a generational QB. If it doesn't workout like with Luck then I took my shot. You know where I stand on Stroud as a generational QB.
 
Dejaview said:
Only if they also believe in the Tooth Fairy. I expressed an “expressed” opinion. I only threw it out there for discussion. My reason was that the last thing I thought DeMeco would do is NOT start Mills in NE. I don’t know how the competition is in TC but you would think Mills would start given his starts the past two years and out of respect for that. Why? Tells me DeMeco doesn’t play by those rules. Why? Just watching his pressers and interviews it seems he definitely values certain player characteristics mainly energy and enthusiasm with the ability to motivate with those traits. Just doesn’t seem there could be any other reason I can think of not to start Mills. Seemed too deliberate.
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I misinterpretted your post as relating to the Draft. Your post make all the sense in the world. :tiphat:
 
FuzzyLogic said:
If you didn't want to discuss it why did you bring it up, by telling someone they must believe in the Tooth Fairy?

I don't have any reason to doubt that you and Corrosion have contacts into the FO that gave you info, and appreciate when you bring those views to the forum but expecting everyone to take it as gospel is probably unrealistic, and they have a right to express their opinions just as you do.

I don't find it illogical to believe the ownership or whoever dictated a QB be taken this draft, and I don't think decisions like that are limited to the Texans, sure maybe there are a few owners who are "win at all costs" but most of the owners and the NFL as an organization are here to sell football, not win - they care about the product and making money, as long as somebody wins and revenue stays high they don't really give a damn.

If anyone thinks the NFL is "football" and not an entertainment company whose product is football then they are always going to be disappointed. (not all directed at you just used as a jump-off point).
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After over 2 decades surely you know how the McNair's run their team. Are you surprised that their meddling ways have continued after bob died? I'm not.

Winning sells and the best orgs let their football people make football decisions. This is something the McNair's either have failed to understand or more likely they dont care about. Stroud will help sell tickets to the younger demographic that they're looking to sell too. Winning has nothing to do with the decisions they make. Unfortunately it's always been this way down on Kirby and looks like this will continue to exist as long as the McNair's own the team. This is good enough for some fans like TB who says things like being entertained is the most important thing to him These are the fans the McNair's are marketiing too. Tailgaiting, beer and BBQ. As long as the Texans aren't terrible the stadium will be full and full of false hope every yr. In short nothing has changed in the way the McNair's operate in over 2 decades and counting. If they win a championship operating this way it will be because of blind luck. There's a reason Bob McNair was on the NFL finance committee and what's most important to the McNair's. Their actions during Harvey compared to of all people Amy Adams Strunk spoke volumes.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Glee? I said it was a small sample size, and hopefully we see improvement. Meanwhile, that's all we have. Look through the national writeups of mainstream sports and most are not very complimentary of Stroud's performance. Fair or not, all anyone has to go by at this time is his one performance in preseason. It will be up to him to demonstrate in upcoming days that preseason game #1 is not representative of when the live bullets fly. I'll be rooting for him to do so.
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Who the **** cares about national writeups?? Anyboby making any judgement after 4 thows in a 1st ever preseason game is a moron. And honestly, he could have made 20 throws in that game and it still wouldn't matter. Not saying you in particular, but people need to calm the **** down.

But just wait until Bryce plays today. I'm sure there will be a **** ton more overreaction.

CloakNNNdagger said:
Mills played behind that same OLine protection.
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And Mills is in his 3rd year and has started 26 NFL games. He better look at least halfway competent over a rookie getting his feet wet seeing his 1st ever NFL action.
 
Speedy said:
Who the **** cares about national writeups?? Anyboby making any judgement after 4 thows in a 1st ever preseason game is a moron. And honestly, he could have made 20 throws in that game and it still wouldn't matter. Not saying you in particular, but people need to calm the **** down.

But just wait until Bryce plays today. I'm sure there will be a **** ton more overreaction.



And Mills is in his 3rd year and has started 26 NFL games. He better look at least halfway competent over a rookie getting his feet wet seeing his 1st ever NFL action.
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Just posting facts. Just to be clear, MY calmness level after the first preseason game is off the wall! 🙂
 
Buckeye Homer said:
Exactly right.

The sack on first down making it 2nd & 25 really robbed CJ of the opportunity to gain more experience. It was probably smart of the coaches to remove CJ. They can try again later but hopefully next time they'll plan on providing some blocking.
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If your franchise QB was starting game, why wasn't your probowl, franchise butt saving LT not starting? CJ had greater chance of injury Thursday than game 1. I don't understand.
 
76Texan said:
These writers often write from their emotion.

On the pass to Collins, the ball left CJ's hand at 14:58 or shortly after he went through his progression. There were 3 targets on that side.
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Well, those writers should learn from the writers on TT! We never allow emotions to interfere.

€}₩¥!!#&!!!
 
steelbtexan said:
I dont draft QB's at 1-1, 1-2 etc... unless that QB is considered to be a generational QB. If it doesn't workout like with Luck then I took my shot. You know where I stand on Stroud as a generational QB.
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You will be waiting a long time.
Look at teams that suck for a long time: the Jets and the Browns for example.
They were never guaranteed to find a generational talent in the draft.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I don't have enough time or enough crayons to explain to you how you have so sorely missed the boat on the stretch of your interpretation.
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Next thing you're going to tell me is that you have a direct line to the guy who called the play and he told you what route/adjustment Dell was running on that play.

If you don't, your guess is as good as mine.
 
Speedy said:
Who the **** cares about national writeups?? Anyboby making any judgement after 4 thows in a 1st ever preseason game is a moron. And honestly, he could have made 20 throws in that game and it still wouldn't matter. Not saying you in particular, but people need to calm the **** down.

But just wait until Bryce plays today. I'm sure there will be a **** ton more overreaction.



And Mills is in his 3rd year and has started 26 NFL games. He better look at least halfway competent over a rookie getting his feet wet seeing his 1st ever NFL action.
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Not sure why there should be an overreaction to anything Young does. He wasn’t in the Texans decision tree.
 
Brisco_County said:
American Samoans have integrated American football deeply into their culture. Whether on the island or in the US, they teach it at a young age and produce players like Troy Polamalu. Japan has been doing the same with baseball. The Japanese high school baseball tournament Koshien is HUGE over there. It involves 3000 teams, and players take home dirt from the field because they consider it sacred. This is how we got Shohei Ohtani, and we'll get many more stars from Japan because of this tradition: The Summer Shohei Ohtani Broke High School Baseball

Didn't mean to go off topic, it's just a fascinating subject.
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I told the Nigerians to focus on football but nooo!
They insisted on medical field and computer hacking software.

I am very disappointed.
 
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