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Preseason - TEXANS @ New England
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Texansballer74
The Marine
And if he would’ve done that, the same members would’ve complained about that as well.
On the Interception, he hesitated/ overthought it. Rookie and even veterans makes that mistake. It happens, and it will happen again. Hopefully not as often.
Go check out Trevor Lawrence pro career thus far.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Preach.
Finally some logic for those Debbie’s.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
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We can’t have that around here.
Its “No energy vampires!”
zshawn10
All Pro
NFL Rumors: C.J. Stroud Expected to Be Texans' QB1 Despite Struggles vs. Patriots
A rough preseason debut against the New England Patriots isn't going to change C.J. Stroud's status as the likely Week 1 starter for the Houston Texans when…
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The one guy made a good point. Unless injured, Houston should have had all of their starters out there for CJ'S debut.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I don't have enough time or enough crayons to explain to you how you have so sorely missed the boat on the stretch of your interpretation.
If CJ had released the ball sooner and rocketed the ball, it could've been a 1st down. Not putting enough zip on the ball (having too much air) aided in the interception. That ball needs to be on a frozen rope from a laser-cannon arm. A more experienced CJ will make that throw.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Except they won’t. Tunsil never plays preseason. At least not that I can remember. Howard is injured. That already has you on your 3rd and 4th tackles, maybe 4th and 5th if you consider Heck first off the bench. They won’t have the starters playing together until the bell rings, and then they still might not have Howard.
Looking at the all 22, I can see why he decided to make the throw. When he threw it, there was traffic between CJ and Mills. I agree that CJ should have hit Schultz, but it was his first freaking series against an NFL team that could actually hit him. Much ado about nothing.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Since i was watching the Patriots feed and I don't know all these players by their numbers, yet, I was unaware of some things.
The second string OL was Zierer and Southerland on the left side, which is opposite of the Depth chart. I really need to go back through and watch the line more closely.
And To'o To'o had a much better game than I realized. He was out there making some plays.
The second string OL was Zierer and Southerland on the left side, which is opposite of the Depth chart. I really need to go back through and watch the line more closely.
And To'o To'o had a much better game than I realized. He was out there making some plays.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
On his first tackle he came blazing in outta nowhere. I thought it was a cb or a safety.
2a'2a is FAST.
We may have drafted a better version of Mario Williams and DeMeco Ryans in this draft.
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Are we still talking about a preseason game or a regular season game on a hail Mary pass that cost us a shot at the playoffs?
Cause I could of sworn this was just a preseason game.
Cause I could of sworn this was just a preseason game.
So CJ goes out there and takes an awful sack and throws an awful interception in his first pre-season game of his NFL career.
I like it. He gets to learn from these mistakes early on and it doesn't even cost the Texans a regular season game.
For CJ, it is the absolute best time to learn from these mistakes so that he can do better when the games actually count.
I hope he does do better and I believe that he will do better with more NFL experience.
I like it. He gets to learn from these mistakes early on and it doesn't even cost the Texans a regular season game.
For CJ, it is the absolute best time to learn from these mistakes so that he can do better when the games actually count.
I hope he does do better and I believe that he will do better with more NFL experience.
You are correct.......and that is a terrible Passer Rating.
NFL PASSER RATING CALCULATOR
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With only four passes thrown. This is so silly.
- If he took the checkdown for no yards instead of throwing the INT, the passer rating would increase to 78.13
- If the DB drops the INT, the passer rating increases to 56.25
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
(Not directed to zshawn)
There an over reaction to Strouds performance and an over reaction from those defending him.
Hopefully he will learn. Rome wasn't built in a day.
I sure hope people are paying attention to how level-headed and fair you are being.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I think I love you for posting this. I KNOW I love her. Considering the sample size, who cares? Need more. Put Montana behind that protection on those given plays and I expect about the same result.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Glee? I said it was a small sample size, and hopefully we see improvement. Meanwhile, that's all we have. Look through the national writeups of mainstream sports and most are not very complimentary of Stroud's performance. Fair or not, all anyone has to go by at this time is his one performance in preseason. It will be up to him to demonstrate in upcoming days that preseason game #1 is not representative of when the live bullets fly. I'll be rooting for him to do so.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Mills played behind that same OLine protection.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
I’m stoked that To’oTo’o played well. It’s those Samoan genes
American Samoans have integrated American football deeply into their culture. Whether on the island or in the US, they teach it at a young age and produce players like Troy Polamalu. Japan has been doing the same with baseball. The Japanese high school baseball tournament Koshien is HUGE over there. It involves 3000 teams, and players take home dirt from the field because they consider it sacred. This is how we got Shohei Ohtani, and we'll get many more stars from Japan because of this tradition: The Summer Shohei Ohtani Broke High School Baseball
Didn't mean to go off topic, it's just a fascinating subject.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
I wonder what Trevor Lawrence’s passer rating was in the first half of his first playoff game? Certainly a larger sample size than four throws. He seemed to improve in the second half…
Texansballer74
The Marine
Good take
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Meaning of C.J. Stroud's Shaky Start? How THRILLING was Tank Dell for Houston Texans!
The Texans won the preseason opener but what do we make of C.J. Stroud's start? How awesome was Tank Dell? The Will Anderson experience was alive and well! L...
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Texansballer74
The Marine
He had his moments, the good and the bad.
And for those that keep bringing up Mills playing behind that same line needs to stop the nonsense. His first series didn’t go well either. Plus the Patriots pulled most of their starting defense. Mills played solid once the Patriots pulled all of their starters. That defensive front wasn’t the same. He played solid and he got more reps. Case played even better.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Tunsil did not play in the game.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Likewise, I'm sure if you put in a little effort, you can pluck quite a few "can't miss" rookie QBs that busted miserably after similar situation.
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
The current QB room is not sustainable. It’s good, but two young QB’s who both believe they are starters won’t last. One starting QB and a quality backup vet like Case and a later round developmental young QB is the ideal scenario. I happen to believe CJ is DeMecos choice and that won’t change. Everything will be done to mold him into a leader that will grab the attention of and motivate his teammates and I just get this feeling that DeMeco doesn’t see that quality in Mills.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
How Davis Mills’ crisp performance against Patriots factors into Texans quarterback situation
Texans quarterback completed 9 of 12 passes for 99 yards and a touchdown pass to Tank Dell
Aaron Wilson Aug 11
FOXBOUROUGH, Mass. – Texans quarterback Davis Mills knew immediately where he was going to go with the football, lobbing a pinpoint back-shoulder throw to rookie wide receiver Tank Dell.
Dell bobbled the accurate throw before ultimately securing the pass for a touchdown at Gillette Stadium.
Former Texans QB Matt Schaub addresses Texans coaching search, DeMeco Ryans
In his third NFL season and no longer the projected starting quarterback with the arrival of second overall pick C.J. Stroud, Mills reminded the league and the Texans about his skills Thursday night against the New England Patriots.
Mills was precise and relaxed as he completed 9 of 12 passes for 99 yards and one score for a 126.7 passer rating. It was a crisp performance.
“I thought Davis did a really nice job of executing,” Texans coach DeMeco Ryans said. “He was efficient with the ball. He moved us down in two-minute. Very effective there making plays. I thought Davis did a really nice job for us.”
While Mills excelled after substituting after two series, Stroud struggled mightily behind a makeshift offensive line as he threw an interception when he stared down Dell instead of checking it down to an open Dalton Schultz in his NFL debut.
Although Stroud is still expected to eventually be named the starter and has exclusively taken all of the first-team offensive snaps for several days in practice, Mills did give the Texans something to think about. What if Stroud doesn’t give the Texans coaching staff enough of a comfort level that he’s ready to become the full-time starter? What if they entertained the idea of having Mills play until they deem Stroud to be fully ready?
That’s an unlikely scenario given the Texans’ investment in Stroud with such a high draft selection, but nonetheless it was an extremely solid performance from Mills. Should Stroud be sidelined for any reason, the Texans have a highly competent backup in Mills.
Mills, who went a combined 5-19-1 as a starter during his first two seasons in the league, had 15 interceptions last season with three returned for touchdowns. He’s had a positive offseason, though. And when NFL teams have inquired about his availability for a potential trade, they were informed that the former third-round draft pick from Stanford is not available, per league sources.
“I don’t think my approach has changed at all,” Mills said. “I’m just trying to be the best player and best person I could be for this team. Every rep I get is making me better as a player, so it’s exciting. I’m coming in, putting my head down and showing what I can do.”
Mills was sharp, and his connection with Dell and tendency to look for him was on display.
Mills had some low throws to Dell, including an incompletion on his first throw. Other than the low trajectory, Mills had good ball placement and a fast release. He averaged just under two seconds for time of release per snap.
“It was exciting,” Mills said. “Obviously I think we spread the ball around really efficiently on offense. I’m pretty sure all our receivers who suited up and played today got a catch, so that was awesome to spread the ball around. It was fun getting out there and putting together a couple of really good drives down the field, spreading the ball around to different guys, and letting people make plays.”
Mills showed a good working knowledge of offensive coordinator Bobby Slowik’s thick playbook. He ran the offense adeptly. It was a smooth performance.
“Throughout OTAs and training camp, I started to take a good grasp of the offense, and everyone out there has done the same,” Mills said. “I think we’re executing at a pretty high level. There were different nuances that we got to and different personnel groupings, making sure guys are getting in different spots and different positions. We were motioning to different things to keep the defense on edge.”
The highlight of the game was definitely Mills’ touchdown pass to Dell as the rookie third-round draft pick from the University of Houston shined, catching five passes for 65 yards on eight targets.
“Yeah, he’s great, electrifying,” Mills said. “I think that’s the best way to describe him. He’s going to make guys miss in tight windows and when he catches a short pass, he’s going to try to score anywhere he gets it on the field, I think.
“Just thinking in my head, I know there were a couple more plays where I could have given him a better, accurate ball that, if it was a catch, he might have fallen down. But, if I can bring it up six inches, he can catch it, hit him in stride, and who knows what he’ll do with the ball in his hands.”
Mills passed for 3,118 yards, 17 touchdowns and 15 interceptions last season with a 78.8 passer rating. He had the third-lowest quarterback rating ahead of New York Jets quarterback Zach Wilson and Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Kenny Pickett.
Mills went 3-10-1 as a starter last season, completing 61 percent of his throws.
Mills’ performance, shaky at times and sharp at others, and the Texans’ record led to the organizational decision to draft Stroud.
“A big learning experience,” Mills said. “Obviously, the record was what it was. We wanted to win more games, and I think it led to some of the decisions that we ended up having to make as an organization this offseason. I mean, it’s another day, another day to get better for me personally. I’m looking at it as another learning experience that’s going to add to my ability to go out there and play quarterback at a high level.”
Mills has 33 career touchdown passes and 25 interceptions.
Eventually, this will be Stroud’s offense. It’s Mills’ job to hold him off for as long as possible. Once he’s relegated to backup duty, then it’s his responsibility to mentor Stroud in a behind-the-scenes capacity.
“The big thing is trying to focus on myself: trying to get better every day,” Mills said. “Trying to put a lot of work in. Some of my weaknesses from previous years, trying to make those my strengths now. Biggest thing is kind of putting my head down and getting better each day.
“Different things I pointed out. I don’t want to say anything in particular. Don’t want to clue any defenses across the league. Just different things that I know I need to work on to make myself a better player.”
What happens next with Mills isn’t entirely under his control. What he does to keep striving for improvement is, though. And he expressed confidence that he has become a better quarterback.
“Definitely,” Mills said. “Every year in this league, you feel more and more comfortable. Obviously, the hunger and the drive to become better is still there. It’s definitely a different feeling from when I was stepping in here as a rookie, not knowing anything to where I am now, having all that built-up experience from my starts over these past two years. I mean, it’s exciting. I’m blessed to have the opportunity to come in here and compete for another job. I’m ready for the year.”
Texans quarterback completed 9 of 12 passes for 99 yards and a touchdown pass to Tank Dell
Aaron Wilson Aug 11
FOXBOUROUGH, Mass. – Texans quarterback Davis Mills knew immediately where he was going to go with the football, lobbing a pinpoint back-shoulder throw to rookie wide receiver Tank Dell.
Dell bobbled the accurate throw before ultimately securing the pass for a touchdown at Gillette Stadium.
Former Texans QB Matt Schaub addresses Texans coaching search, DeMeco Ryans
In his third NFL season and no longer the projected starting quarterback with the arrival of second overall pick C.J. Stroud, Mills reminded the league and the Texans about his skills Thursday night against the New England Patriots.
Mills was precise and relaxed as he completed 9 of 12 passes for 99 yards and one score for a 126.7 passer rating. It was a crisp performance.
“I thought Davis did a really nice job of executing,” Texans coach DeMeco Ryans said. “He was efficient with the ball. He moved us down in two-minute. Very effective there making plays. I thought Davis did a really nice job for us.”
While Mills excelled after substituting after two series, Stroud struggled mightily behind a makeshift offensive line as he threw an interception when he stared down Dell instead of checking it down to an open Dalton Schultz in his NFL debut.
Although Stroud is still expected to eventually be named the starter and has exclusively taken all of the first-team offensive snaps for several days in practice, Mills did give the Texans something to think about. What if Stroud doesn’t give the Texans coaching staff enough of a comfort level that he’s ready to become the full-time starter? What if they entertained the idea of having Mills play until they deem Stroud to be fully ready?
That’s an unlikely scenario given the Texans’ investment in Stroud with such a high draft selection, but nonetheless it was an extremely solid performance from Mills. Should Stroud be sidelined for any reason, the Texans have a highly competent backup in Mills.
Mills, who went a combined 5-19-1 as a starter during his first two seasons in the league, had 15 interceptions last season with three returned for touchdowns. He’s had a positive offseason, though. And when NFL teams have inquired about his availability for a potential trade, they were informed that the former third-round draft pick from Stanford is not available, per league sources.
“I don’t think my approach has changed at all,” Mills said. “I’m just trying to be the best player and best person I could be for this team. Every rep I get is making me better as a player, so it’s exciting. I’m coming in, putting my head down and showing what I can do.”
Mills was sharp, and his connection with Dell and tendency to look for him was on display.
Mills had some low throws to Dell, including an incompletion on his first throw. Other than the low trajectory, Mills had good ball placement and a fast release. He averaged just under two seconds for time of release per snap.
“It was exciting,” Mills said. “Obviously I think we spread the ball around really efficiently on offense. I’m pretty sure all our receivers who suited up and played today got a catch, so that was awesome to spread the ball around. It was fun getting out there and putting together a couple of really good drives down the field, spreading the ball around to different guys, and letting people make plays.”
Mills showed a good working knowledge of offensive coordinator Bobby Slowik’s thick playbook. He ran the offense adeptly. It was a smooth performance.
“Throughout OTAs and training camp, I started to take a good grasp of the offense, and everyone out there has done the same,” Mills said. “I think we’re executing at a pretty high level. There were different nuances that we got to and different personnel groupings, making sure guys are getting in different spots and different positions. We were motioning to different things to keep the defense on edge.”
The highlight of the game was definitely Mills’ touchdown pass to Dell as the rookie third-round draft pick from the University of Houston shined, catching five passes for 65 yards on eight targets.
“Yeah, he’s great, electrifying,” Mills said. “I think that’s the best way to describe him. He’s going to make guys miss in tight windows and when he catches a short pass, he’s going to try to score anywhere he gets it on the field, I think.
“Just thinking in my head, I know there were a couple more plays where I could have given him a better, accurate ball that, if it was a catch, he might have fallen down. But, if I can bring it up six inches, he can catch it, hit him in stride, and who knows what he’ll do with the ball in his hands.”
Mills passed for 3,118 yards, 17 touchdowns and 15 interceptions last season with a 78.8 passer rating. He had the third-lowest quarterback rating ahead of New York Jets quarterback Zach Wilson and Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Kenny Pickett.
Mills went 3-10-1 as a starter last season, completing 61 percent of his throws.
Mills’ performance, shaky at times and sharp at others, and the Texans’ record led to the organizational decision to draft Stroud.
“A big learning experience,” Mills said. “Obviously, the record was what it was. We wanted to win more games, and I think it led to some of the decisions that we ended up having to make as an organization this offseason. I mean, it’s another day, another day to get better for me personally. I’m looking at it as another learning experience that’s going to add to my ability to go out there and play quarterback at a high level.”
Mills has 33 career touchdown passes and 25 interceptions.
Eventually, this will be Stroud’s offense. It’s Mills’ job to hold him off for as long as possible. Once he’s relegated to backup duty, then it’s his responsibility to mentor Stroud in a behind-the-scenes capacity.
“The big thing is trying to focus on myself: trying to get better every day,” Mills said. “Trying to put a lot of work in. Some of my weaknesses from previous years, trying to make those my strengths now. Biggest thing is kind of putting my head down and getting better each day.
“Different things I pointed out. I don’t want to say anything in particular. Don’t want to clue any defenses across the league. Just different things that I know I need to work on to make myself a better player.”
What happens next with Mills isn’t entirely under his control. What he does to keep striving for improvement is, though. And he expressed confidence that he has become a better quarterback.
“Definitely,” Mills said. “Every year in this league, you feel more and more comfortable. Obviously, the hunger and the drive to become better is still there. It’s definitely a different feeling from when I was stepping in here as a rookie, not knowing anything to where I am now, having all that built-up experience from my starts over these past two years. I mean, it’s exciting. I’m blessed to have the opportunity to come in here and compete for another job. I’m ready for the year.”
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I would suspect you also believe in the "Tooth Fairy."
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
This is not true.
For Stroud:
Fant - Green - Scruggs - Dieter - Deculus
For Mills (there may have been alternates on this):
Sutherland - Zierer - Dieter - Morrissey - Deculus
And I'm ticked off that GamePass doesn't have my All-22 anymore.
EDIT: And I suspect the Patriots took some of their starters out by the time Mills came in. With that said, Mills played well.
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
Yep. It’s one of your “insiders”!
A frozen rope would have beat the WR to the sideline. I'm talking a tear drop pass placed between the WR and the sideline that would have taken the DBs out of the play. Similar to a pass Stroud made last season vs. Penn State. With a blitzing LB in his face.
We have an ENTIRE week before the next preseason game. We have to gnaw this to the bone.
I'm paying attention. Just like I paid attention when he offered to setup Stroud in dog fighting. I pay attention to everything.
Then whom was Ryans choice? He said at his introductory press conference that the Texans would bring in a QB. Was it Levis? Richardson?
The Texans drafting the QB the new HC prefers seems like straight line thinking. Occam's Razor. That the aged owner and her daughter-in-law pulled a powerplay and forced a particular QB on the team, to the chagrin of the GM and HC, seems like fantasy. You should see that's how people without insider info would look at it, right?
Do you think that's just for the preseason?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I would then have to say Mills played behind the worse line combo.
Number19
Hall of Fame
During the game it was apparent to me that Mills was getting the ball out much quicker than Stroud and that this would likely be a problem for Stroud until he corrected this. So it was immediately noticed when Wilson confirmed this, reporting Mills was getting the ball out in just under 2 seconds. Back upthread, I haven't located the source, it was reported that Stroud was taking 3 seconds to get his passes off.
That's true. But with only four pass attempts, that one bad INT dropped the passer rating to 17.7. If the writeups and mainstream sports weren't about click bait headlines or to drive over reactions and discussions, they know that with such a small sample size even an incomplete pass or a checkdown that doesn't get the first down on that play raises the rating to 56, 74 or even 84. That's my point.
The minute Stroud threw that INT. I think it was a mistake not to give him another drive. He needs the work. IMHO. The Chiefs are onto something when Reid plays his starters for the first quarter.
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I'm not going to continue to repeat what Corrosion and I both independently found from very reliable source within the Texans FO. I'll let those who believe that there was no "forced" pick continue to believe so. There is good reason that Corrosion and I hesitate to share information with the MB.
That's true. But couldn't you also say the worse OL combo played against a worst DL combo?