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No, someone has taken our little buddy! Should we contact the FBI?
edo783
Hall of Fame
I suggest that you prepare yourself for disappointment. It's not impossible that a rookie gets double digit sacks, but pretty unlikely. Next year, yes that should probably be the standard.
Let's hope that Will can have similar rookie-year stats as Nick Bosa had.
Bosa finished his rookie year with 47 tackles, nine sacks, a forced fumble, two fumble recoveries, two pass deflections, and an interception in 16 games and 14 starts.
He was really trading up for Stroud.
Supposedly Anderson was 1-1 on their board. Not that it really matters. The McNairs got their guy and Ryans got his guy. They gotta be difference makers.
I'm going to see how Anderson does in year 2. I'll give Stroud 2 to 2 1/2 years.
Regardless they should win between 8-10 games. If not this season is a failure and depending on how Stroud performs, which I think he's a carrot/Stick QB. Everybody will think the future is bright. Unfortunately after yr 3 they will find out what Stroud's all about.
If they're what they were drafted to be then expectations should be high. None of this learning curve bs after the first few games.
No excuses
Anderson and Stroud are more polished players coming out of college.
The top numbers from rookie edges over the past 5 seasons average 10.4 Sacks and 15 TFL. So the numbers projected for Anderson are hardly out of line.
Rookie Stat Projections: Houston Texans EDGE Will Anderson Jr.
Will Anderson Jr. is expected to have a huge rookie season. See his stat projections.sports.yahoo.com
Will Anderson Jr. is expected to have a huge rookie season. See his stat projections.
I've got Hutch over Anderson and I like Anderson a lot.
Here's my prediction.
The OC is going to have good schemes. The OL is going to provide sufficient time for receivers to run their routes so that CJ doesn't have to throw it away or take a sack. The receivers are going to run precise routes and create distance.
The consequence of the aforementioned things happening is that CJ is going to pick apart opposing defenses.
But, it's not all on CJ. If the scheme is bad or other units don't execute then CJ will also falter.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Why?
Bigger more complete player.
I'm sorry I know that's an explanation that's used but I'm not buying it, it's really silly.
The Houston Texans are a single NFL organization which is to say the McNairs don't get a their top pick and Ryans doesn't ALSO get his top pick - collectively they get one top pick and that's all. The bottom line is the Texans flagrantly overpaid for non-QB Will Anderson, only unless he happens to turn out to be a truly generational NFL football player, you like a Lawrence Taylor, and I can't find anybody who thinks Anderson will be beyond a pro-bowl caliber player if that.
The Anderson draft pick is not going to ruin the franchise, because on the contrary the Texans could still vey well be back on the road to playing winning and contending NFL football within the next couple seasons and Anderson may be significant part of that rebound for the Houston Texans but that wouldn't change the fact that they foolishly over spent on the Anderson selection.
Can you explain the "flagrantly overpaid" part? How many more draft points were used in the trade than the draft chart table indicated?
banned1976
sleeper mode
The trade up to draft WA was fair for everyone.
I spent about the first week after the draft talking about what I had wanted the Texans to have done. I'm completely done talking about it for now. I'm sure we'll be revisiting the 2022 draft for a few years as these players develop (or not). Will Anderson was the top player on my board, he is now a Texan and I'm excited to watch him play here for many years.
I spent about the first week after the draft talking about what I had wanted the Texans to have done. I'm completely done talking about it for now. I'm sure we'll be revisiting the 2022 draft for a few years as these players develop (or not). Will Anderson was the top player on my board, he is now a Texan and I'm excited to watch him play here for many years.
OK I'm already an Anderson fan and I'll get a T-shirt or jersey as soon as he figures out which # he wants permanently.
But to answer your question - I think multiple NFL first round picks is too much to pay for any college football player who's not a QB, and just 'cause Casserio over paid for him doesn't mean I won't be a fan because I will be, a passionate fan of his as long as he's not a bust and that's very unlikely.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Interesting, both had the “high floor ceiling of solid player but not all pro” knock by pundits.
I think Anderson has more pass rush potential than Hutchinson. Longer and more athletic imo albeit a little smaller. Can’t go wrong with either but I like Anderson most.
Pretty clear that Hutchinson should’ve been picked over Trayvon Walker.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
I know some people don't agree with this, but if you don't like that cost, would it have been fine if we'd have drafted Anderson at 1.2 and then made that same exact trade to trade up for Stroud?
If these two players turn out to be stars, then I'm fine with this trade. According to the trade charts, the points come out close enough with us giving up the points of a late round pick. If we'd taken Anderson first, we'd have given up a lot more to trade up than we did. In terms of strategy to get the two players they wanted, this was very clever work.
There are many of trades in NFL history where multiple 1st round picks were traded for non-QBs. All were bad deals? That's a blanket statement that's hard to argue against because it has no substance. The Falcons traded multiple 1sts for Julio Jones. What did Cleveland get in return for those multiple picks? Brandon Weeden, for one. The other was traded for Greg Little, who finished with 1890 career receiving yards. Well over 10,000 less than Julio Jones.
Why not wait a bit until these picks play out? You can't or won't show where it was an overpay on any draft value board. Just saying "It was a flagent overpay" doesn't make that true.
I mean absolutely no offense, but I believe these two statements demonstrate an innacurate view of "value"
The draft pick is the draft pick. It has it's own value. The first overall has a value equal to mulitiple other picks of variuos combinations. The same is true for every other draft pick. A team earns those picks by their W/L record, or through trades. For Caserio to have "overpaid" for the #3 overall pick he would have to have given the Cardinals more in value than the pick itself was worth. That did not happen.
The player is the player. He has his own value. The best player in the draft has a value equal to, or at least close to the #1 overall pick. If you were to draft the best player in the draft with the 1st overall pick, you did not overpay. Many thought Will Anderson was the best player in the draft. The Texans could have used the #2 overall pick on Will Anderson & no one would have said, "they overpaid." But the Texans didn't. They used the #3 overall pick on Anderson.
No way you can call that "overpaid"
I do understand your point. That we basically traded multiple players for 1. That is a different argument all together.
You do understand I'm talking about using multiple first round picks to draft a single college player right ?
Are you saying that a team used multiple first round picks to draft Weeden and another team used multiple first rounders to draft Little ?
Julio Jones likely headed to the HOF some day, and granted he was a very good receiver an if you were inclined to argue that he was worth two first rounders you maybe would have an argument..
"Wait a bit until the picks play out" you say ?
Well what we have now is time until the 2023 season begins and in this time we are just talking, speculating, in general shooting the crap until real football starts.
Any way I'd still rather have drafted two rookie starters with my #12 & #33 picks and still had both of my 2024 #1 picks than
Will Anderson, unless Will Anderson actually turns out to the next Larwene Taylor.
Which players would you have preferred? Jahmyr Gibbs and Will Levis were the players taken at 1.12 and 2.33.
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Yes sir that is the essence of my point and I like our odds with 3 very high picks, over a single pick to improve our team.
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Of course Anderson won't have nearly as much to do with the success our team has or doesn't have in the coming years as
CJ will have, so to your question - I'd rather have CJ and kept the #12, #33, 2024 #1 for three other players.
But would they have drafted Stroud without knowing they could trade up for Anderson? I think not
You need that guy on Defense that they always have to account for, the guy that wreaks havoc even when you try to scheme him out.
I believe Junior is that guy.
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Yea here's the big question - did we draft the right QB ? Oh and BY was not on our Board so he's not in the conversation.
Maybe Ricdardson will be Lamar Jackson, or god forbid maybe Will Levis will be Elway, or maybe CJ will be Davis Mills ?
But maybe CJ will be I dunno, who do you think man ?
I want Anderson to be LT (just the player, not the off field version), but I'd grudgingly accept Demarcus Ware.
I thought it was a QB league ?
Yea here's the big question - did we draft the right QB ? Oh and BY was not on our Board so he's not in the conversation.
Maybe Ricdardson will be Lamar Jackson, or god forbid maybe Will Levis will be Elway, or maybe CJ will be Davis Mills ?
But maybe CJ will be I dunno, who do you think man ?
I want Anderson to be LT (just the player, not the off field version), but I'd grudgingly accept Demarcus Ware.
I didn't see your answer to the question of did they give up too much to draft Stroud at #3?
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Ok I Iike it DB.
Hey DB are you still the only 10.5 Delta RJ pilot ?
I'm not saying different. Ray won more Super Bowls than Flacco.
Bryce wasn't on my board. I didn't want them to draft a QB at all.
Good thing Will Anderson is on our side.
badboy
Hall of Fame
badboy
Hall of Fame
I look at it as They got 2 of the top 3 Players as recognized by almost everyone. It appears to most there was over payment for pick 3. We won't know that for a long time probably. Coulda , shoulda and woulda doesn't change anything.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I would have preferred that also but there would then be those whom they drafted at those picks which would have increased my posting in negative manner.
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I think you could make a pretty strong argument that the way Flacco played during their playoff run that there wasn't a more valuable Raven on the roster.
For that one year maybe
On that team, I’d argue Jacoby Jones. Over the history of the Ravens I’d say Lewis.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
In this scenario, if they draft Anderson at 1.2, the cost for Stroud goes up higher because there would have been a greater market for him IMO.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
That was my preference, as I didn't think Anderson was a generational talent to give up that much capital even if he was a top prospect in this year's draft. Right or wrong, nothing to do now but root like hell for him and the team.
And that's why they did it the way they did
I know you don't like Stroud, ergo your opinion doesn't matter as far as that question goes
Well said, and totally agree with your comments man !
calishung7717
Practice Squad
It always made sense to me that the organization as a whole was going to fall in love with a guy like Anderson (highly decorated, great character, extremely productive, locker room leader, good measurables). Caserio has loved Bama players dating back to his New England days and DeMeco follows and stays in touch with Bama football relentlessly. I've heard rumors they had a close to perfect prospect grade on him. I can't blame them for the move if that's the case and am pretty pumped to see it all play out. Let's hope it doesn't suck.