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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

badboy said:
Understand your POV but earlier i posted comparison with DWs ACL surgery in Nov 2017.
He had a fantastic 2018. Hooker's surgery was in December so will have ~ a month less healing time. No two players recover same but it's very possible HH can play game 1. Let's not forget we traded up to get #4 and he didn't start first month or so.
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He's not getting any reps in camp or the preseason, coming from a gimmick college offense. Even if he is ready to play some time in 2023, you are chucking him to the wolves without any real feel for the NFL game. That is doomed to failure IMO
 
Texans sign Tunsil to the richest contract for an OL after the season was over.

Are they really not going to take their top guy? Really going to walk themselves in to QB Hell after drafting Anderson with the 2nd overall selection. I just don't buy it.

I think the Texans trying to get to 3rd overall with their second pick says all you need to know.
 
I keep hoping they take CJ but i think my last mock was correct. They are taking Tyree and then finding a way to get Hooker. I like Hooker and I think he has a chance to be very good in this offense. Better than CJ? Remains to be seen.
 
corry said:
Stroud going 2!

Houston has called him 1a/1b from the beginning.

Also, the Texans really want to pass on him and have to play him in the division 2x a year? I think that’s another factor that has to be talked about.

If you pass on him, and your rival picks him up. That’s egg on your face 2x a year if he is a hit.
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Doesn't scare me at all. In fact I hope he goes to a division rival. They will be stuck in high end mediocrity at best and at worst they will be in cap hell in 3 years.
 
A shocking late development this week was that some recent medical reports changed the draft status of Texas Tech defensive end Tyree Wilson. One top-10 team that could take a defensive lineman told WalterFootball.com that they had dropped Wilson off their draft board. The reason why is that the team feels Wilson's foot injury was not addressed successfully.

"I looked at the X-ray of his foot, and it looks like Frankenstein. It's all mangled," said a director of player personnel. "We dropped him off our board. Our doctors think they're going to have to re-do it. You have to ask, 'How soon are you getting what you think you are getting?' Whatever they did to his foot, it's not right. He could go out and practice and his his foot will start hurting, and then he'll get shut down and they will have to re-do it."

As a result of the injury, that team thinks Wilson could have slide in the top 10. They do not believe Wilson will go as a top-five pick in the 2023 NFL Draft.

  • Last weekend, the betting odd shot up for the Texans taking Kentucky quarterback Will Levis. Sources from around the NFL told WalterFootball.com that there is mixed feedback on Houston taking Levis. On the plus side, Levis fits a lot of the organization's parameters for character, work ethic, leadership, and physical talent. However on the down side, Levis did not have impressive tape and the scouting side of the team is not keen on Levis. It sounds like Levis might be more of a candidate for Houston's No. 12 pick rather than going No. 2 overall in the 2023 NFL Draft.

  • Based on what I am hearing from team sources, I do not believe the hype of Levis being a top candidate for the Colts at selection No. 4. Indianapolis has a talented front office with some of the top scouting minds in the NFL. It would be very out of character for the them to take a player with bad tape, much less with the fourth-overall pick. The Levis hype reminds me of two years ago when there was a lot of media saying the 49ers were targeting Mac Jones with the third-overall pick. From what I'm hearing and in listening to my gut, I think the Colts will take C.J. Stroud, although Anthony Richardson could be their Plan B.
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NFL Hot Press: 2023 NFL Draft Week Rumors Thursday – WalterFootball

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corry said:
Was Cloak the one who was on this before everyone? Pretty sick Intel.

How would Texans fans feel if Nick went for another Linsfranc boy with his first pick....

Feels like the worst top of the draft in a while for defensive prospects.
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If Wilson had no injury issues, he would definitely be Texans pick.
Hopefully it will be once bitten, twice shy.
 
SnakeEyes said:
Jordan Addison. He is ranked 2nd of WRs according to Lindys draft guide. I would rather have JSN
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Thanks for the clarification. I would have gone for JSN before his significant injuries I have previously reviewed.

CloakNNNdagger said:
I would hesitate to choose Njiba, especially at 1.12 for 2 reasons. One as I've previously posted is his recent injury history of high ankle sprain followed by a very slow healing severe grade II hamstring for which he couldn't return after injury in week 3, and which has a good chance of becoming a recurrent long-term issue. Secondly, Njigba is not an outside receiver which is what the Texans are desperate for. I put him in the slot where he was at Ohio State. And he's not going to really take the top off of the defense because he's not fast enough, he's no burner. Brandin Cooks was an outside receiver with the skills to fill in at the slot when needed.
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The1ApplePie said:
He's not getting any reps in camp or the preseason, coming from a gimmick college offense. Even if he is ready to play some time in 2023, you are chucking him to the wolves without any real feel for the NFL game. That is doomed to failure IMO
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So you're expecting a contender in 2023?
 
badboy said:
Part of my question i posed in reply to Doc. If we take Stroud at 2 or Hooker at 12, we certainly need to consider best OC at 33. Schmitz or Avila or Wypler should be there. Can each of them be the guy in WCO? I can not remember seeing that addressed.
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I seem to recall Minnesota/Schmitz plays an outside zone. Wypler has all the physical attributes to be sucessful in a zone blocking scheme and possibly be as good as Linderbaum last year. Avila strikes me as being a better fit in a power blocking scheme. Same for another popular possibility, Joe Tippmann.
 
Xopher said:
@CloakNNNdagger Doc, have you heard anything on Matt Corral's injury? If the Texans pass on a QB would you consider trading for him?
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I previously posted my impressions on Corral.:

CloakNNNdagger said:
Corral was set up for his foot injury by the lasting effects of a grade II high ankle sprain he suffered in the Sugar Bowl prior to the 2022 Draft. He essentially missed the Combine while recovering and performed at his Pro Day relatively well and was drafted by the Panthers. He then went on to suffer a lisfranc foot injury in the 2nd 2022 preseason game when his foot was stepped on while he was trying to avoid a sack. The injury left his lisfranc joint very unstable, and surgery was no doubt necessary. Since it was his left foot and he is right-handed, it was not his plant foot (unlike Schaub). A QB relies most heavily on the plant foot for loading and a strong push off when throwing. His front foot is still important as in follow through, that foot will take a significant transfer of weight, and will be a big contributing factor for accuracy. Independent of the aforementioned, Corral is a scrambling QB. If he makes it back, his previously believed potential will probably be very compromised and his career very questionable. Look for the Panthers to try to somehow unload him.
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The1ApplePie said:
He's not getting any reps in camp or the preseason, coming from a gimmick college offense. Even if he is ready to play some time in 2023, you are chucking him to the wolves without any real feel for the NFL game. That is doomed to failure IMO
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Ok you are just not getting my point. Hooker will have almost same amount of healing time as did Watson. 4 weeks of missing OTAs is not going to hurt his development significantly. Plus 4-5 weeks of regular season as did Watson. Hooker ar 26 is more mature than others this draft.
 
badboy said:
Ok you are just not getting my point. Hooker will have almost same amount of healing time as did Watson. 4 weeks of missing OTAs is not going to hurt his development significantly. Plus 4-5 weeks of regular season as did Watson. Hooker ar 26 is more mature than others this draft.
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Last I read was that he probably wouldn't be cleared to practice/play until the first week of the regular season.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Didn't mean Texans were doomed, but Hooker certainly would be. Chucking out a project player into the lineup midway through a season with no camp/preseason reps.
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If he wasn't ready I doubt he would be 'chucked out' there
 
I think the Texans want to trade down a few spots if they get an offer. I think ideally to #8 with ATL and pickup a future 1st. If they can't they will take Anderson or Tyree Wilson to build the D up. My $ is that Ryans is going to be pushing for Will Anderson. If it is Caserio's call I think he pushes for the body/upside of Tyree. I think we will see what kind of sway Ryans has tonight...

I think anything can happen at #12. Draft QB, draft non-QB or trade down. Might not be a bad spot to trade to late first or even into second for a 2024 1st. In that case, you have 3 1st in 2024 and there would be no doubt you control whatever QB you want to select next year but then Ryans will have a year to try to build the team up for a rookie.

Defensive coaches don't usually do that great with rookie QBs especially not with a team still being built and not that talented. I'm an Anderson guy...
 
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steelbtexan said:
Yes, especially when your idol is a sexual predator. Draft Stroud at your own peril.

You know how I feel about this yrs QB class.
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Steel,
I respect your perspective, but I am baffled by your negativity regarding CJ Stroud. I expect him to immediately upgrade our QB position and expect him to be a top 10 NFL QB by his 3rd season. I am aware of all the rumors: S2 grade, Manning QB camp thing, etc... But, could you tell me why you really don't like him as a football player: those rumors may be confirmations for you, but I know your opinion is based on what you have seen on the field.. So, please share your insights if you are willing. Thanks.
 
JB said:
If you get 10 years what does it matter how old now? QB's play longer than most other positions
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A guy having rookie growing pains when he should be in his prime at 27. He still goes through all of the developmental hurdles of a younger guy. My opinion, obviously.
 
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zshawn10 said:
Here’s Lance Z’s last mock

https://twitter.com/x/status/1651599987191746560

Pick 12 is nuts
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Yeah, his 1.12 pick is borderline idiotic. His rationale for 1.2 though makes sense. A year after skipping over Sauce, taking Stingley, and then seeing how that played out I would hope someone on Kirby might have learned a damn lesson and could see the benefits of taking "the safer pick" here.
 
dalemurphy said:
Steel,
I respect your perspective, but I am baffled by your negativity regarding CJ Stroud. I expect him to immediately upgrade our QB position and expect him to be a top 10 NFL QB by his 3rd season. I am aware of all the rumors: S2 grade, Manning QB camp thing, etc... But, could you tell me why you really don't like him as a football player: those rumors may be confirmations for you, but I know your opinion is based on what you have seen on the field.. So, please share your insights if you are willing. Thanks.
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First off, I'm not SteelB.

But I think some of the reservations regarding Stroud have been explored pretty thoroughly.

1) From PFF, he does not do well under pressure. They give him a 92.9 no pressure grade, but then a 43.9 pressure grade. That's a pretty stark difference.
2) He's been surrounded by a lot of talent on the OLine. Because of the strength of his OLine compared to the defenses they've normally been facing, he hasn't felt as much pressure as a lot of other QBs.
3) He's had all star WRs catching his passes. Sometimes the QB makes the WR look good, but in this case, there's a fear that his WRs have made him look better and more accurate than he is because they have big catch radiuses.

So because of this, there are some big questions about whether his game will translate to the NFL, where he'll be in trouble with the play breaking down and him having to not panic to get out of it.
 
dalemurphy said:
Steel,
I respect your perspective, but I am baffled by your negativity regarding CJ Stroud. I expect him to immediately upgrade our QB position and expect him to be a top 10 NFL QB by his 3rd season. I am aware of all the rumors: S2 grade, Manning QB camp thing, etc... But, could you tell me why you really don't like him as a football player: those rumors may be confirmations for you, but I know your opinion is based on what you have seen on the field.. So, please share your insights if you are willing. Thanks.
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I just saw him look below average when he was pressured, which could tie to his low S2 as well, not able to compute off schedule. I watched three games this year against Maryland, Michigan and an even worse team I forget and he was bad. Dude is best player going when everything is clean and on schedule, but don't see him quickly getting better under pressure in the NFL. Then he plays the Georgia game and looks incredible minus a couple plays, but against that team he was plenty good. So I think we just don't see 1.2 value here. If he is there at 1.12, I go for it and hope to coach him up, and have such a good running game, hard to tee off on him. I draft for value, and we cannot miss our round 1's anymore. Pass on Tyree Wilson due to feet (great player), pass here due to worries under pressure. Without meeting CJ, he does not strike me as a leader of men in interviews. Your QB should make everyone better and believe. I used to lose my mind watching DW4 sit with a towel over his head while Mahommes is working his sideline. Leadership matters at QB as well
 
corry said:
Was Cloak the one who was on this before everyone? Pretty sick Intel.

How would Texans fans feel if Nick went for another Linsfranc boy with his first pick....

Feels like the worst top of the draft in a while for defensive prospects.
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I'd just go back to baseball and wait for the Texans to grow a brain but among the fanbase I'd say "Mutiny"
 
if we dont like the qbs here i dont mind drafting defense ,defense

could u image having wilson or anderson and then maybe moving up to get carter or anyone else we like one of the DB or edge guys
 
Norg said:
if we dont like the qbs here i dont mind drafting defense ,defense

could u image having wilson or anderson and then maybe moving up to get carter or anyone else we like one of the DB or edge guys
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It's a good option. I keep wondering this: If the Texans wanted Young for instance like we all were sort of led to believe and they aren't interested in Stroud as it's been suggested then I keep thinking "Are they even interested in Levis or Richardson then? If they had their heart set on Young and lost him the minute Carolina traded up then sure, defense with 1.2 BUT why not try to trade up just a bit from 1.12 (if possible) to get Bijan Robinson? That's an insane RB and if you're going to skip drafting a QB this year and plan to run the best of Keenum or Mills then why not give them an insane running game featuring Robinson and Pierce? Then go about making your picks and filling your holes and come back next year with all these other teams having drafted their QB this year (like TexansBull said) and go after one in 2024 who then is going to come into the league with a veteran OL and the running game from hell?
 
JB said:
Are you comparing an injured Hooker to a healthy Carr?
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No, not at all. I'm comparing the Texans drafting Carr and throwing him out there to the idea of Texans drafting Hooker and then throwing him out there. That he would also be coming off injury is just gravy.
 
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