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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

Xopher said:
You sound the type of person I would love to play poker against. This is a multi-billion dollar sport. Every coach lies during draft season. If Ryans thought Stroud or Young were not going to be the choice do you think he would say it? If he did he would be an utter idiot. Yes, you lie, you confuse people, you deceive. You don't do that with the players, but with other teams and the media? Absolutely.
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Mess around and I’ll take all of your money. Bring it on
 
The Pencil Neck said:
In the later rounds, yeah.

But my argument is more about creating your big board with care and diligence, trusting it, and then following it.

If the Texans think Stroud is going to be great, then they should draft him. If they think he's going to be average at best, then they should either trade that pick to whomever is willing to give them the most good stuff to get it or choose whomever is at the top of their board if they think that player is good enough. If they think Stroud is going to be average and the Colts want him, make them pay to trade up and get him, and then prove he's average every time you play him.

But, yeah, I'm totally on board with taking some late round flyers on guys like Stetson Bennett or Sammy Haegar or Clayton Tune or whomever. Because you could end up with a Purdy or a Kurt Warner.
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I think everyone thinks the Texans should do the best job they can evaluating prospects. I'll just say that QB is the most important position. By far. At some point, you have to take a shot at one and coach them up. They're 21-25 years old (this year). They aren't finished products. If they think they can coach Anthony Richardson up, OK. If they can take a couple of later round picks and have them compete, alright. But they can't just sit on their hands and hope Mr. Perfect shows up at their draft slot. That's just not going to happen.
 
CJ, Richardson, and even Hooker are better prospects than Wilson imho. I think Levis is a much better comp…which is why I would pass on Levis. Which is why you can be sure Levis is the guy.

I’ve really only been truly happy with the top pick twice in 20 years. Loved AJ in 2003. He was my guy. And Hopkins was my guy. I’ll add Watson too. I had Mahomes first, but Watson a close 2nd and was very happy that night too. JJ? Liked it…didn’t love it at the time. Oops.
 
Lucky said:
I think everyone thinks the Texans should do the best job they can evaluating prospects. I'll just say that QB is the most important position. By far. At some point, you have to take a shot at one and coach them up. They're 21-25 years old (this year). They aren't finished products. If they think they can coach Anthony Richardson up, OK. If they can take a couple of later round picks and have them compete, alright. But they can't just sit on their hands and hope Mr. Perfect shows up at their draft slot. That's just not going to happen.
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And that is the quandary for all teams on the hunt for that franchise QB - you (most) have only one high pick to take a shot at a guy you want and there happens to be another guy at another position who is a can't miss candidate right there. :smiliepalm:
 
April 23, 2005: What scouts were saying about Aaron Rodgers
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AFC scout: "I don't like him. He's a clone of Harrington and Boller. They all throw the same way. What have those guys done? Nothing. If you take him in the second round, fine. Heady guy. They do a marvelous job of coaching quarterbacks there. I don't think he's as good as the top quarterbacks coming out last year."
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April 23, 2005: What scouts were saying about Aaron Rodgers

What NFL scouts told the Journal Sentinel's Bob McGinn before the draft about quarterback Aaron Rodgers:
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Looks like the Jets & Packers got their deal involving Rogers worked out and since he's in the headlines so much today as are college QBs now potentially to be drafted, it's instructive to take a look at what folks were saying about Rogers way back when he was about to be drafted.
What we know now is that Rogers is almost certainly a first ballot HOFer so it's interesting and sometimes amusing to see what those so called "experts" were saying about him back then.
 
Porky said:
CJ, Richardson, and even Hooker are better prospects than Wilson imho. I think Levis is a much better comp…which is why I would pass on Levis. Which is why you can be sure Levis is the guy.

I’ve really only been truly happy with the top pick twice in 20 years. Loved AJ in 2003. He was my guy. And Hopkins was my guy. I’ll add Watson too. I had Mahomes first, but Watson a close 2nd and was very happy that night too. JJ? Liked it…didn’t love it at the time. Oops.
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I liked the Clowney pick at the time because I wasn't particularly impressed with the QB class and he looked like a can't miss candidate.
This year is eerily similar.
So this year it is a toss up between Carter and Anderson with a QB at #12.
History repeats itself.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1650822423434915841
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First, the Texans still have 11 more picks, including a quality pick at #12. Plenty of opportunities to help the defense. Second, you can make the case that many of the top QBs in the league were "manufactured". Meaning coached up to be better than they were in college. Mahomes, Allen, Hurts. There are rarely Mr. Perfects at any position, much less QB. Every team has to develop. The teams that can, win.
 
Lucky said:
I think everyone thinks the Texans should do the best job they can evaluating prospects. I'll just say that QB is the most important position. By far. At some point, you have to take a shot at one and coach them up. They're 21-25 years old (this year). They aren't finished products. If they think they can coach Anthony Richardson up, OK. If they can take a couple of later round picks and have them compete, alright. But they can't just sit on their hands and hope Mr. Perfect shows up at their draft slot. That's just not going to happen.
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The counter-argument is that if you take a shot on a guy with the intention of developing him and coaching him up, then you have to give them time. You can't draft a QB in the first round every year.

And what if Mr. Perfect falls into your lap but because you've got time and money invested in developing "your guy" that you don't pick Mr. Perfect.

Case in point: In 2005, we had our QB and that QB was David Carr. We drafted Travis Johnson instead of Aaron Rodgers.

This is why the GMs make the big bucks. There's no one size fits all strategy. They have to make the right calls and the right guesses, but if they don't, we're the ones who suffer.
 
Lucky said:
I think everyone thinks the Texans should do the best job they can evaluating prospects. I'll just say that QB is the most important position. By far. At some point, you have to take a shot at one and coach them up. They're 21-25 years old (this year). They aren't finished products. If they think they can coach Anthony Richardson up, OK. If they can take a couple of later round picks and have them compete, alright. But they can't just sit on their hands and hope Mr. Perfect shows up at their draft slot. That's just not going to happen.
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I don’t think they are hoping for Mr Perfect to land in their lap. They were in talks with Chicago to move up and would have had Carolina not folded and given away the WR Chicago coveted.

They were willing to give up assets to move up for someone they wanted this year and it is safe to say they would do that again. Sometimes there is only one guy you are willing to do that for.

And if it doesn’t happen do you settle for someone you don’t believe in? I wouldn’t if you believed in someone else at another position more.
 
Lucky said:
First, the Texans still have 11 more picks, including a quality pick at #12. Plenty of opportunities to help the defense. Second, you can make the case that many of the top QBs in the league were "manufactured". Meaning coached up to be better than they were in college. Mahomes, Allen, Hurts. There are rarely Mr. Perfects at any position, much less QB. Every team has to develop. The teams that can, win.
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Exactly 💯
The best teams make their QB work with great coaching and adding key pieces around them.
What would Mahomes be without Kelce?
And to a lesser degree, Tyreek Hill. (At the time).
 
Texansballer74 said:
Mess around and I’ll take all of your money. Bring it on
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Reporter: Demeco why didn't the Texans trade the 2nd overall pick?

Demeco: Well we were really, really trying to and my first thought was to tell everyone we liked 2 QBs to drive up interest, but I was looking at a message board and some guy said I shouldn't lie. So I told everyone the truth. We weren't going to draft a QB. Now that may have screwed over the franchise, but at least I'm honest.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
The counter-argument is that if you take a shot on a guy with the intention of developing him and coaching him up, then you have to give them time. You can't draft a QB in the first round every year.

And what if Mr. Perfect falls into your lap but because you've got time and money invested in developing "your guy" that you don't pick Mr. Perfect.

Case in point: In 2005, we had our QB and that QB was David Carr. We drafted Travis Johnson instead of Aaron Rodgers.

This is why the GMs make the big bucks. There's no one size fits all strategy. They have to make the right calls and the right guesses, but if they don't, we're the ones who suffer.
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....even a bigger question, does Rodgers even come close to the same success he enjoyed in Green Bay while playing for the Texans? Green Bay gave him time to learn and the Texans would've had him starting on Day 1.
 
Porky said:
I’m hopping onboard the Richardson train if we stay at 1.2. I’d personally take Stroud, even given what we know, but Richardson’s ceiling is outrageous. Who is onboard with me?
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I've tried. I just can't see a NFL QB inside Richardson. It takes so much more than being a great athlete. Being a plus athlete is a bonus. QB is the position where you have to have an innate feel for the game. Tools are important, but they never trump instincts.

Of course, I didn't see Hurts being the QB he has become. But that was more about his arm and accuracy. The job the Eagles have done with Hurts is the greatest I've ever seen at the QB position. But, Hurts had a feel for the game since his freshman season at Alabama. The coaching job to make Richardson a legit NFL QB will be 10X harder.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
....even a bigger question, does Rodgers even come close to the same success he enjoyed in Green Bay while playing for the Texans? Green Bay gave him time to learn and the Texans would've had him starting on Day 1.
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What if Aaron Rodgers had been taken #1, and not sit in the green room for hours? Steaming. Maybe he never has the drive to become one of the greatest?
 
https://twitter.com/x/status/1649033292610523136

(SI article on Levis): “Then, there were the interviews. One team heard him say he wouldn’t make excuses for his downturn in play in 2022, as compared to ’21, then had a list of them ready (coordinator change, injuries). Another said he wasn’t pleased when he got asked about eating a banana with the peel on social media. “He’s not a bad guy,” says a second NFC quarterbacks coach. “But he’s very robotic and overly serious; he needs to calm down. He was so angsty.” An AFC passing-game coordinator adds, “He tries to tell you what you want to hear; he gets caught up in it and he’s not being himself. He's trying to be perfect.”

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/04/25/2023-nfl-draft-quarterback-prospects-nfl-coaches

Hmmmm


https://twitter.com/x/status/1650852523656216577
 
Texansphan said:
I liked the Clowney pick at the time because I wasn't particularly impressed with the QB class and he looked like a can't miss candidate.
This year is eerily similar.
So this year it is a toss up between Carter and Anderson with a QB at #12.
History repeats itself.
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Carter has been a screw up way beyond his racing incident. Even worse than Clowney, he is well-known to take plays off often. His maturity is certainly questionable. His dedication to football has been questionable. From what I've been told his lack of conditioning in his Pro Day workout is not an isolated case..............he participates in routine conditioning exercises.................when he feels like it.

An honest review of Carter concerns, especially his dedication to conditioning which is a major part of dedication to football. Talent not questioned..............dedication is.

 
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zshawn10 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1649033292610523136

(SI article on Levis): “Then, there were the interviews. One team heard him say he wouldn’t make excuses for his downturn in play in 2022, as compared to ’21, then had a list of them ready (coordinator change, injuries). Another said he wasn’t pleased when he got asked about eating a banana with the peel on social media. “He’s not a bad guy,” says a second NFC quarterbacks coach. “But he’s very robotic and overly serious; he needs to calm down. He was so angsty.” An AFC passing-game coordinator adds, “He tries to tell you what you want to hear; he gets caught up in it and he’s not being himself. He's trying to be perfect.”

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/04/25/2023-nfl-draft-quarterback-prospects-nfl-coaches

Hmmmm


https://twitter.com/x/status/1650852523656216577
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Some bettors have a drinking problem.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Carter has been a screw up way beyond his racing incident. Even worse than Clowney, he is well-known to take plays off often. His maturity is certainly questionable. His dedication to football has been questionable. From what I've been told his lack of conditioning in his workout is not an isolated case..............he participates in routine conditioning exercises.................when he feels like it.

An honest review of Carter concerns, especially his dedication to conditioning which is a major part of dedication to football. Talent not questioned..............dedication is.

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So many guys that young do and turn it around in the big time. Sure many don't and drop out of the league, so the Texans have to weigh all this up and do their homework to figure out if he's worth it.
I know there is a lot of negative press for him and some of it deserved, but it is lying season.
Here is something positive from his agent:-
“I’m confident Jalen will go in the top 10,” Rosenhaus told ESPN in the report. “He’s a good person, a family man, loves football, and is a generational talent.”
 
GBpackers12 said:
What’s the prediction for you guys this season?
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It's all over the place.
Obviously QB is key and most here like BY then CJ Stroud with the #2 pick.
Then there are many who say Will Anderson and take a QB with #12.
Then many want trades at one or both picks.
Gonna be interesting.
 
Texansphan said:
So many guys that young do and turn it around in the big time. Sure many don't and drop out of the league, so the Texans have to weigh all this up and do their homework to figure out if he's worth it.
I know there is a lot of negative press for him and some of it deserved, but it is lying season.
Here is something positive from his agent:-
“I’m confident Jalen will go in the top 10,” Rosenhaus told ESPN in the report. “He’s a good person, a family man, loves football, and is a generational talent.”
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And Rosenhaus promised me he wouldn't use the PR statement he used to describe me for another one of his clients! Boy, can't trust anyone these days!!!!!:foottap:
 
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Texansphan said:
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GBpackers12 said:
I think he’s going to be bad. I hope I’m wrong.
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He probably will be okay. Not on Favres or Rodgers level as those are hard acts to follow but he shouldn't lose games for you I'm guessing.
GB heirarchy better look after him with some talent around him and Oline, WR, TE and RBs are a good start. Get him his Travis Kelce in Dalton Kincaid to grow with and it will help him big time.
 
Texansphan said:
I liked the Clowney pick at the time because I wasn't particularly impressed with the QB class and he looked like a can't miss candidate.
This year is eerily similar.
So this year it is a toss up between Carter and Anderson with a QB at #12.
History repeats itself.
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I wanted Khalil Mack but I knew that wasn’t happening lol. I want Stroud and Myles Murphy this year.
 
Texansphan said:
He probably will be okay. Not on Favres or Rodgers level as those are hard acts to follow but he shouldn't lose games for you I'm guessing.
GB heirarchy better look after him with some talent around him and Oline, WR, TE and RBs are a good start. Get him his Travis Kelce in Dalton Kincaid to grow with and it will help him big time.
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Yes we need to draft a WR first.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Carter has been a screw up way beyond his racing incident. Even worse than Clowney, he is well-known to take plays off often. His maturity is certainly questionable. His dedication to football has been questionable. From what I've been told his lack of conditioning in his Pro Day workout is not an isolated case..............he participates in routine conditioning exercises.................when he feels like it.

An honest review of Carter concerns, especially his dedication to conditioning which is a major part of dedication to football. Talent not questioned..............dedication is.

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Btw, Laremy Tunsil says hi .
 
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