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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

thunderkyss said:
I don't believe that.

For me, it's not about a better QB next year. It's about setting the guy up to succeed.

The Texans screwed up thinking Schaub was the one, even before the injury. He was good, but he wasn't special. Those playoff teams should have had a better QB.

Watson was a good QB & had BO'b known how to install an offense in the NFL this team would have taken a big step forward.

But that team he played on & only won 4 games was a crappy team & wouldn't have done much better with Tom Brady.

This team we have now, isn't much better.

Though it is better.

I really wouldn't be upset if they draft a QB this year. But I don't want to see him on the field until everyone else knows what they're supposed to be doing. I don't want to be guessing if the WR ran the wrong route or if the QB guessed wrong. I don't want to see the RB on the wrong side because the QB identified the wrong MIKE, I don't want to see two OL double teaming air & the other side of the line overloaded with a 4 man rush.

& I damSure don't want to see our young QB throwing 50 times a game because the defense doesn't know how to tackle.

This team is too far away, imo, to open a 5 year window.
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Give me Will Anderson and take a flyer on a QB. Surest bet to having a team worth opening up that “rookie QB contract window” for.. get that defense set to dominate like the SF defenses did.
 
IF I were to take Bryce Young at #2 (and I would not), my next two picks (assuming no trades were available) would be #12 O'Cyrus Torrence (RG) & #33 John Michael Schmitz (C). Those are the two best IOL in this draft & I wouldn't care that we just traded for Mason. The best RG would start. That would at least give Young a fighting chance to survive the NFL. He'd have to live with the current skill position players we have until the next off season. If the Texans take him, they have to protect him.
 
Porky said:
For what franchise QB? 20+ years in and I'm still waiting. Oh you mean Watson? The guy we had to ship off to Cleveland? I'm not counting him.

The Texans (and this board) keep kicking the can down the road. Some mystical beast labeled perfect QB will arise from the ashes next year...it's always next year, and refuse to work for any other team, work for min wage, and be knighted Prince of Houston who will come and save the day, kiss the sleeping beauty of a team, and whisk her away to live happily ever after. Next year. Don't worry - it's all going to happen next year.

Nobody knows if CJ is the man or not. Frankly, he probably isn't the white knight that will save this franchise. Those guys don't grow on trees. But I can 100% with certainty say he won't be a franchise QB here or at least a darn good one if he isn't taken. This team needs to keep taking QBs early and often until they get it right. It's the surest path to a SB.
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I think most anticipate a QB just disagree on which round. That QB or Keenum or Mills will need the best oline he can get.
 
leebigeztx said:
Where does coaching come into it. Look at the best o-line in Texans history which was good. 1 st rd pick project, a 3rd rd tackle, a 5th rd center, a low cost free agent and another low rd pick. What the had in common was that they were like a well oiled machine. Its about working as a unit with the talent. How many 1st rd picks on the sb champions did they have? You can't keep throwing resources and high picks at 5 guys or you're short changing the rest of the team.
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As I said, I expect a center to be taken in round three but I am not going to be upset at all if Skoronski is taken in round one.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Give me Will Anderson and take a flyer on a QB. Surest bet to having a team worth opening up that “rookie QB contract window” for.. get that defense set to dominate like the SF defenses did.
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People are acting like Anderson can't be a bust. Its really about getting it right, but watch Anderson whom I think will be solid, not Von Miller esque game changer. Look at him vs the tackle at Tennessee and you wouldn't have known he even played. He's not really suited to play 4-3 de.
 
badboy said:
As I said, I expect a center to be taken in round three but I am not going to be upset at all if Skoronski is taken in round one.
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I'm not going to be upset at any of it. I just see a better value at center in the 3rd rd, maybe the 2nd at the earlest.
 
leebigeztx said:
People are acting like Anderson can't be a bust. Its really about getting it right, but watch Anderson whom I think will be solid, not Von Miller esque game changer. Look at him vs the tackle at Tennessee and you wouldn't have known he even played. He's not really suited to play 4-3 de.
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That's why I've been saying we shift him to linebacker where he won't have to deal with the trash on the line. He's such a great athlete that he can be used in multiple ways/positions.
 
There are a lot of tea leaves here. The Panthers gravitating to Bryce Young. The Texans cooling on a QB at #2, maybe. Reorganization of the Texans front office, possibly going full on Niners Southwest. The S2 test. Oh, and Trey Lance trade rumors making a comeback.


DeMeco and Slowik know pretty much everything there is to know about Lance. He's dual threat, which Ryans mentioned as an important trait he wants in a QB. 2 years plus an option left on his deal. Has knowledge of the playbook (it's the only offense Lance knows). And apparently he kicked butt on the S2 test. Which seems to be a big deal in Ninerland. The cost? Not a 1st round pick.

I think all of this academic if Bryce Young gets to #2. But in the very real chance that doesn't happen, Trey Lance to the Texans is beginning to make a lot of sense. That's what the tea leaves are telling me.
 
Two first round QBs ever drafted on this team. Its not like we are taking a lot of swings at the fences.
 
All this talk about value here & value there drives me crazy. If you have a player that you really want & know that he instantly fills a position for you, you don't wait to see if he drops lower, you just go get him. Dallas (I hate Dallas) did just that with the center (Frederickson?) they took several years ago. Everyone was up in arms that they took him too soon, but he turned out to be a stud & helped solidify their offensive line. There is no value if someone else takes your guy.
 
leebigeztx said:
People are acting like Anderson can't be a bust. Its really about getting it right, but watch Anderson whom I think will be solid, not Von Miller esque game changer. Look at him vs the tackle at Tennessee and you wouldn't have known he even played. He's not really suited to play 4-3 de.
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Wright had a great game and cemented himself as a top 20 pick with that performance. But performances like that were the exception for Anderson. He also had 2 sacks against Tennessee in 2021 but did cite Wright as the toughest OL he faced in college and mention his improvement year over year.

Anderson can play 4-3 DE in this scheme. If Ebukam can, Anderson can. And i’d rather bet on Anderson being an elite player than one of these QBs with that #2.
 
Lucky said:
There are a lot of tea leaves here. The Panthers gravitating to Bryce Young. The Texans cooling on a QB at #2, maybe. Reorganization of the Texans front office, possibly going full on Niners Southwest. The S2 test. Oh, and Trey Lance trade rumors making a comeback.


DeMeco and Slowik know pretty much everything there is to know about Lance. He's dual threat, which Ryans mentioned as an important trait he wants in a QB. 2 years plus an option left on his deal. Has knowledge of the playbook (it's the only offense Lance knows). And apparently he kicked butt on the S2 test. Which seems to be a big deal in Ninerland. The cost? Not a 1st round pick.

I think all of this academic if Bryce Young gets to #2. But in the very real chance that doesn't happen, Trey Lance to the Texans is beginning to make a lot of sense. That's what the tea leaves are telling me.
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Are those maui waui tea leaves? lol Seriously though, I'd be open to trading for a young QB like Lance.
 
Lucky said:
There are a lot of tea leaves here. The Panthers gravitating to Bryce Young. The Texans cooling on a QB at #2, maybe. Reorganization of the Texans front office, possibly going full on Niners Southwest. The S2 test. Oh, and Trey Lance trade rumors making a comeback.


DeMeco and Slowik know pretty much everything there is to know about Lance. He's dual threat, which Ryans mentioned as an important trait he wants in a QB. 2 years plus an option left on his deal. Has knowledge of the playbook (it's the only offense Lance knows). And apparently he kicked butt on the S2 test. Which seems to be a big deal in Ninerland. The cost? Not a 1st round pick.

I think all of this academic if Bryce Young gets to #2. But in the very real chance that doesn't happen, Trey Lance to the Texans is beginning to make a lot of sense. That's what the tea leaves are telling me.
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I had no idea you were a teatotaler...🫖😉
 
badboy said:
What if Colts take AR at 4?
What if Atlanta takes Levis?
What if Patriots take Hooker?

What if.. oh I'm getting dizzy.
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If the Colts reach for AR at 4, I’d laugh my ass off. And Levis and Hooker are mid first rounders, not a 2. Apples and oranges.

For the record, I don’t believe any of this BS about the Texans not wanting Stroud at 2. I think the 2 pick will be Cal and Hanna’s decision, not DeMeco or Casserio’s. And if Stroud is the pick, then it will automatically be Smith-Njigba at 12 for the tandem.

Edit: you can’t very well blame posters for overthinking if the damn talking heads are gonna do it. All of it is just cheap setup for criticism if they don’t draft the players they want taken. Same sh!t every year.
 
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Hottoddie said:
All this talk about value here & value there drives me crazy. If you have a player that you really want & know that he instantly fills a position for you, you don't wait to see if he drops lower, you just go get him. Dallas (I hate Dallas) did just that with the center (Frederickson?) they took several years ago. Everyone was up in arms that they took him too soon, but he turned out to be a stud & helped solidify their offensive line. There is no value if someone else takes your guy.
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It took them a while, but Dallas finally caught up to the Texans in play off wins since 2010
 
leebigeztx said:
Where does coaching come into it. Look at the best o-line in Texans history which was good. 1 st rd pick project, a 3rd rd tackle, a 5th rd center, a low cost free agent and another low rd pick. What the had in common was that they were like a well oiled machine. Its about working as a unit with the talent. How many 1st rd picks on the sb champions did they have? You can't keep throwing resources and high picks at 5 guys or you're short changing the rest of the team.
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Coaching is a big part and we have not had good offensive line coaching in years.We do have a pro bowl left tackle with a new contract. We have a right tackle in his final year who will probably want a huge increase If not want to go to another team perhaps to be a left tackle? We have a horrible center with an even worse backup.We have a left guard that we do not have any idea what he's going to do but even if he has the 2nd year jump many have, he will be average and that's if he can play new system. Our new RG signed one year deal and could be gone.

Nah, I am not concerned...
 
Marcus said:
If the Colts reach for AR at 4, I’d laugh my ass off. And Levis and Hooker are mid first rounders, not a 2. Apples and oranges.

For the record, I don’t believe any of this BS about the Texans not wanting Stroud at 2. I think the 2 pick will be Cal and Hanna’s decision, not DeMeco or Casserio’s. And if Stroud is the pick, then it will automatically be Smith-Njigba at 12 for the tandem.
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And if that happens, then the Texans are no better than the Cowboys with Jerry Jones making the picks.
 
Marcus said:
If the Colts reach for AR at 4, I’d laugh my ass off. And Levis and Hooker are mid first rounders, not a 2. Apples and oranges.

For the record, I don’t believe any of this BS about the Texans not wanting Stroud at 2. I think the 2 pick will be Cal and Hanna’s decision, not DeMeco or Casserio’s. And if Stroud is the pick, then it will automatically be Smith-Njigba at 12 for the tandem.
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If it's Cal & Hannah's decision it doesn't matter especially if it bleeds to the 1.12 pick.

All we can do is hope Caserio does want to move on & Demeco is the next one-year tragedy in H-Town.
 
powda said:
If Hooker's the target, they won't draft him at #33:

A. Any qb starved team will know they have to leapfrog us. We'll move up before that happens.

B. That 5th year option is especially important for a qb. If we grade him as a strong 2nd rounder we'll give up a Lil more for that extra year.

Jmo
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We have lots of picks this Draft...........we don't want to be overloaded with all of them. We will definitely be looking to consolidate some of them in order to climb up the ladder for anyone we really want (except to #1). Hooker would be a good potential target combining picks for getting him back in the first round.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Wright had a great game and cemented himself as a top 20 pick with that performance. But performances like that were the exception for Anderson. He also had 2 sacks against Tennessee in 2021 but did cite Wright as the toughest OL he faced in college and mention his improvement year over year.

Anderson can play 4-3 DE in this scheme. If Ebukam can, Anderson can. And i’d rather bet on Anderson being an elite player than one of these QBs with that #2.
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Bosa who is the rde going against the premier lt is almost 270lbs. Ebukam, who is more of a journeyman is 245. As a team, 49ers had 31 sacks with Bosa collecting 18 of those. I don't think you want Anderson going against those guys at 245 lbs. He's not of Von Miller level, but that doesn't mean he can't be a good player. At 2 for a edge guy, you're looking for a 13-15 sack guys and I don't think that's in him. Doesn't mean he will be a bust.
 
badboy said:
As I said, I expect a center to be taken in round three but I am not going to be upset at all if Skoronski is taken in round one.
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I'm not sold on Skoronski...........no doubt, he is an excellent pass blocker..............but we will be running some variation of the WCO which requires a strong run blocker.............one aspect of Skoronski's game which is far from a strong suit.
 
Lucky said:
There are a lot of tea leaves here. The Panthers gravitating to Bryce Young. The Texans cooling on a QB at #2, maybe. Reorganization of the Texans front office, possibly going full on Niners Southwest. The S2 test. Oh, and Trey Lance trade rumors making a comeback.


DeMeco and Slowik know pretty much everything there is to know about Lance. He's dual threat, which Ryans mentioned as an important trait he wants in a QB. 2 years plus an option left on his deal. Has knowledge of the playbook (it's the only offense Lance knows). And apparently he kicked butt on the S2 test. Which seems to be a big deal in Ninerland. The cost? Not a 1st round pick.

I think all of this academic if Bryce Young gets to #2. But in the very real chance that doesn't happen, Trey Lance to the Texans is beginning to make a lot of sense. That's what the tea leaves are telling me.
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Don't forget the new fan council.
www.click2houston.com

Texans launch fan council to provide feedback to team

Texans forming Fan Council
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TheRealJoker said:
Wright had a great game and cemented himself as a top 20 pick with that performance. But performances like that were the exception for Anderson. He also had 2 sacks against Tennessee in 2021 but did cite Wright as the toughest OL he faced in college and mention his improvement year over year.

Anderson can play 4-3 DE in this scheme. If Ebukam can, Anderson can. And i’d rather bet on Anderson being an elite player than one of these QBs with that #2.
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His quickness and ability to get to the passer is not a question for me. I'm just a lil worried if Anderson will be stout at the POA and how will he be at setting the edge with a NFL big body on him.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I'm not sold on Skoronski...........no doubt, he is an excellent pass blocker..............but we will be running some variation of the WCO which requires a strong run blocker.............one aspect of Skoronski's game which is far from a strong suit.
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They move on a track, so his feet are as important as anything.
 
I can't help but remember the days when Kubiak was here with a bootleg offense. How many people lamented stone shoe Schaub and invisioned a mobile qb in his place?

If only Watson was here while Kubiak was? Imagine that?

Now folks want a pure passer when running qbs who can throw are available.
 
powda said:
I can't help but remember the days when Kubiak was here with a bootleg offense. How many people lamented stone shoe Schaub and invisioned a mobile qb in his place?

If only Watson was here while Kubiak was? Imagine that?

Now folks want a pure passer when running qbs who can throw are available.
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Exactly what has had me confused. I definitely want a dual threat under center in the west coast offense.
 
leebigeztx said:
How many resources are the Texans going to allocate to the oline?
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Enough to finally get it right. If I had my way, C- Michael-Schmitz (Minnesota) would be my first piece. Later in the draft, I’d select C/G- Ricky Stromberg (Arkansas). Both of these guys have been their OL QB’s at Center. They’re both smart and been a big part of OL’s that had dominant running games.

I’d be fine with this investment in the draft…..and could take a flyer on G- Andrew Vorhees (USC) if he’s still on the board late due to his injury. He’d be my 2024 insurance policy if Green doesn’t pan out in 2023.

Investments start in the trenches…..b/c solid trenches make skill players look a lot better.
 
Hottoddie said:
IF I were to take Bryce Young at #2 (and I would not), my next two picks (assuming no trades were available) would be #12 O'Cyrus Torrence (RG) & #33 John Michael Schmitz (C). Those are the two best IOL in this draft & I wouldn't care that we just traded for Mason. The best RG would start. That would at least give Young a fighting chance to survive the NFL. He'd have to live with the current skill position players we have until the next off season. If the Texans take him, they have to protect him.
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Totally agree this would set the tone for what I think successful franchises are built upon.

Give me JMS/Mauch or Avilla and I'm running the card up to the podium
 
steelbtexan said:
Totally agree this would set the tone for what I think successful franchises are built upon.

Give me JMS/Mauch or Avilla and I'm running the card up to the podium
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Good to see you back in. I mentioned in previous post(s) that the 2023 draft has plenty of top talent available in rounds 2 & 3…..Texans only have 3 picks in this rounds.

If trading back from 2 netted a return of a RD1, 2, and 3 plus a2024 RD1, that’s a huge win. If moving back from 12 were to net a RD1 and RD2, again, it could be a major win.

If the Texans were holding (2) RD1, (3) RD2, and (3) RD3 picks…..they’d have all the draft capital needed to get healthy in a hurry.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Good to see you back in. I mentioned in previous post(s) that the 2023 draft has plenty of top talent available in rounds 2 & 3…..Texans only have 3 picks in this rounds.

If trading back from 2 netted a return of a RD1, 2, and 3 plus a2024 RD1, that’s a huge win. If moving back from 12 were to net a RD1 and RD2, again, it could be a major win.

If the Texans were holding (2) RD1, (3) RD2, and (3) RD3 picks…..they’d have all the draft capital needed to get healthy in a hurry.
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I'm not back in at all.

Life is short, avoid a holes.
 
leebigeztx said:
Bosa who is the rde going against the premier lt is almost 270lbs. Ebukam, who is more of a journeyman is 245. As a team, 49ers had 31 sacks with Bosa collecting 18 of those. I don't think you want Anderson going against those guys at 245 lbs. He's not of Von Miller level, but that doesn't mean he can't be a good player. At 2 for a edge guy, you're looking for a 13-15 sack guys and I don't think that's in him. Doesn't mean he will be a bust.
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Nick Bosa: 6’4” 266 33” arms 10 3/4” hands

Nick Bosa Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com

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Will Anderson: 6’ 3 1/2” 253 33 7/8” arms 9 7/8” hands

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Anderson is not exactly comparing Bryce Young to other QBs. And he’s got longer arms than Bosa. I am not concerned with his size holding up as a 4-3 DE. I am confident the coaches will figure out a way to make use of Anderson’s skillset.
 
IDEXAN said:
So many now think Young is #1 and headed for Charlotte huh ?
But what does the desert say, 'cause the desert usually knows the real inside story on these sorts of matters ?
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Not cool to respond to ones own query but any way to set the record straight two weeks out from "D-Day":
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Two weeks ahead of the NFL draft, Bryce Young is the new consensus betting favorite to be the No. 1 pick ahead of C.J. Stroud at sportsbooks around the nation.

Young moved past Stroud this week after a surge of bets came in on the former Alabama quarterback and flipped the odds at multiple sportsbooks. Young was a growing -300 favorite Thursday at Caesars Sportsbook, with Stroud a +180 underdog.
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Bryce Young emerges as betting favorite for No. 1 pick in 2023 NFL Draft

Former Alabama QB Bryce Young moved past Former Ohio State QB C.J. Stroud as the betting favorite to be the No. 1 pick in the 2023 NFL draft.
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powda said:
I can't help but remember the days when Kubiak was here with a bootleg offense. How many people lamented stone shoe Schaub and invisioned a mobile qb in his place?

If only Watson was here while Kubiak was? Imagine that?

Now folks want a pure passer when running qbs who can throw are available.
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What running QBs are you
Speaking of?
 
powda said:
I can't help but remember the days when Kubiak was here with a bootleg offense. How many people lamented stone shoe Schaub and invisioned a mobile qb in his place?

If only Watson was here while Kubiak was? Imagine that?

Now folks want a pure passer when running qbs who can throw are available.
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Schaub still threw for plenty of yards and was leading that 2011 team to the AFC championship game at least before he got hurt.
 
cuppacoffee said:
It's got to be true if it's on the interweb..... doesn't it?:rolleyes:

:coffee:
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In my head that works either way right? The Texans are actually leaking info to specific sources and not to others, or the Texans aren't leaking anything to anyone with so-called information being just as wild-ass guessing as we do on the message board.

and the facts will be known starting on April 28.
 
AcresHomesTexan said:
In my head that works either way right? The Texans are actually leaking info to specific sources and not to others, or the Texans aren't leaking anything to anyone with so-called information being just as wild-ass guessing as we do on the message board.

and the facts will be known starting on April 28.
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There is no such thing as wild ass guessing on the TT message board.

We are blessed with expert analysis of all things football here.:rolleyes:

:coffee:
 
powda said:
I can't help but remember the days when Kubiak was here with a bootleg offense. How many people lamented stone shoe Schaub and invisioned a mobile qb in his place?

If only Watson was here while Kubiak was? Imagine that?

Now folks want a pure passer when running qbs who can throw are available.
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I can just imagine Watson telling Kubiak that he doesn't like being scripted..........wants more control of the play calling and the offense..............and Kubiak's reaction to that..............

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