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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION
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cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
I really don't favor moving up. Just let the draft come to you and select the BPA. Pretty sure the BPA will fill a Texans need.
Too many holes to be spending extra draft capital on any single player.
We're not there yet. That's my expert opinion.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
At this point, none of the top 3 are worth trading up for.I really don't favor moving up. Just let the draft come to you and select the BPA. Pretty sure the BPA will fill a Texans need.
Too many holes to be spending extra draft capital on any single player.
We're not there yet. That's my expert opinion.
One option is to send #33 to NE for Mac Jones.
You then have the luxury of keeping those two valuable firsts resulting in Will Anderson and probably Quentin Johnson.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
I like Anderson and Johnson, but not keen on the Jones trade.
Anderson is my #2 overall choice.
I think a better option than Jones will be available @ 33.
If we take a fourth QB to camp I hope it's Duggan. And he won't cost a #33.
I'm a hard headed old coot.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I don't know why people of are so worried about Young's size. He at 5'10 1/8" and 204/194 lbs, and CJ at 6'3" and 218 lbs are practically TWINS.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Looks like Doc and a number of others will likely get their way and won't have to deal with Tiny Tim tearing up defenses here. He'll ball out in Carolina.
Apparently, they don't like CJ enough to take him at two. We'll likely continue to be in QB purgatory unless we pull of a trade for Mac Jones, or get lucky elsewhere in the draft.
Apparently, they don't like CJ enough to take him at two. We'll likely continue to be in QB purgatory unless we pull of a trade for Mac Jones, or get lucky elsewhere in the draft.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
Everyone is spouting BS now, I think the Texans are doing a good job making people who want WA or CJ think about trading up. Worse case, they turn down deals that are not good enough. Heck, they may like Wilson at Edge and Hooker, so lie as long as possible to get the deal you want. If no good deal, we need QB, EDGE, WR at premium picks so would suggest they get Best at each they desire. More fun than having the first pick where everything is known. These guys are all a crap shoot and risk management process anyway. We need to do better than last year on the first rounders though. I get those guys may look better this year, but should hit on 60% of these 1st rounders
badboy
Hall of Fame
Yeah, I am interested in negotiating with Doc over a list of what i want like a new speed boat. If he gets his way, there will be a long line bearing him gold, incense and myrrh. I want to be at front of the line.
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These are the same guys that have Levis ranked ahead of Stroud, and Richardson right behind him. They had Malik Willis as the #1 QB last year (#30 overall). They had Stingley (#2) over Sauce (#4).
PFF doesn't have the perfect draft rankings some think they have.
banned1976
sleeper mode
I agree with everything Wilson said except for Njigba at #12. I don't think any WR in this draft is worth the twelfth pick. If they stay at 12 I'd prefer them drafting BPA. If that means another defensive guy to go along with WA, then that's fine, they can use the help.
I don't think Hooker will be drafted in the first round. I think if they like him they'll be able to get him somewhere in the second round. If they miss out on him too, that's the way the cookie crumbles. Draft one of the third-tier guys late.
I just don't want the Texans to reach for a QB or WR in a draft like this.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Again no one in the organization said anything about not liking CJ. Several people like Locker, Seth and Pancakes said nobody is leaking any information. So why are we believing in what some of theee folks are spreading.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Too much smoke brother. There's got to be a fire somewhere. And it also jives with what Corrosion said...summarizing...he said that the Texans love one QB at 2, and if he isn't there, they are most likely to go another direction. I think we know who the guy they love is, and it's not CJ.
I don't know what his connection to the Texans is, but he's given some inside insight in the past so I don't take what he says lightly. It's not impossible it's all a big bluff - this is "lion" season after all, so I'm not about to say it's Young or bust, but the tea leaves I'm seeing would certainly indicate there's something to these rumors.
At the very least, don't be shocked if they pass on CJ if Young goes to Carolina. Personally, if they don't like CJ enough at 2, I'm all about trading down to collect some pieces that Nick can move around the chessboard. Unlike Banned above, IF (big if) Hooker is their next guy after Young, I'm not diddling around and letting someone else snatch him. I'll do my best to trade out of 2 and/or 12 - and use that extra piece or two I get to move up for a 3rd first rounder - Mr. Hooker here we go.
zshawn10
All Pro
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Texansphan
Football connoisseur
A shock pick at #12 would be Peter Skoronski.
He can play Center.
Texansballer74
The Marine
That’s what they you to believe because they’re not getting any information out of Houston. Who told you their plans? Really who in the organization told them their plans?
So many now think Young is #1 and headed for Charlotte huh ?
But what does the desert say, 'cause the desert usually knows the real inside story on these sorts of matters ?
They aren’t sold on Stroud. And that’s okay.
Lol some of you will be upset if Bryce goes 1 and the Texans don’t pick Stroud.
Jack Burton
Veteran
Good call. Man, that run game…
wildroot
Veteran
I'd just as soon Charlotte take Young so we can't. I'd be happy with Stroud who I think has a better upside, at least he's more the size of a prototypical QB in the NFL which gives him a a better chance, but don't leave Young on the table for us to take. And if we choose not to take Stroud, fine...grab Anderson or trade down a few spots and take BPA.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Like I said a thousand times on here it’s not that serious. I will pull for whoever they draft.
I am not in either one of those camps. So try again, you’re way off.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Lol exactly. These some jokers saying they don’t want him will be on here killing NC for passing in CJ.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
If, whoever they pick, is a success, everything will be fine. If, however, whoever they pick is a failure, then everything is "normal" for the Texans which means they just screwed up again.
Whatever happens, for the Texans to be successful, they have to be "out of character" so to speak, because success isn't something they can seem to achieve. Maybe DeMeco changes that. It's what I'm hoping for.
Whatever happens, for the Texans to be successful, they have to be "out of character" so to speak, because success isn't something they can seem to achieve. Maybe DeMeco changes that. It's what I'm hoping for.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Yep, same wash,rinse and repeat info. They never talk about CJ who never threw passes at or behind the los. Its like a big pile on to get him to drop to somewhere else. 610 always brings up how Shanny passed on Mahomes and Watson and drafted Solomon Thomas which was a mistake. Does people forget when people were calling Thomas the next Warren Sapp? Imagine if Shanny would've drafted Mahomes or pre legal Watson. He wouldn't have had to trade for Jimmy or Trey Lance. Kyle would have the rings vs Andy. I'm not comparing Stroud to Mahomes, I'm saying if you're wrong and Strouds turns out to be a top 5-7 qb, the team is going to suffern and Ryans rope is going to get shorter. There is a talent reason why Shanny moved up to get Lance. He wanted someone who can threaten every blade of grass with his arm and legs.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Skoronski would certainly be accepted by those who want to build the trenches first and he is a awesome player for all positions. Only issue, good centers should be there round 3 and why i would be shocked.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
How many resources are the Texans going to allocate to the oline?
zshawn10
All Pro
"Texans are split in the building on Stroud; if they don't pick him, don't think they pick another QB. They kick the can down the road or trade for Mac Jones. Won't be able to get up to 1 even if Carolina offered the pick. Only way Texans will get Bryce what he has been told is if Bryce flat out says he's not playing for Carolina which won't happen"
badboy
Hall of Fame
To protect your franchise quarterback? As much as it takes!
This is going to happen for any QB that is not a Texan.
badboy
Hall of Fame
What if Colts take AR at 4?
What if Atlanta takes Levis?
What if Patriots take Hooker?
What if.. oh I'm getting dizzy.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Don't think there is a top 5 in NFL QB in this draft or maybe not 2024 either.
I would bet a large amount of money if Levis or Richardson had played for OSU people would be wanting them as the #1 pick. Everyone points out Stroud's good points. They don't talk about his amazing OL and WR and how he was one of the worst QB's under pressure. He had one good game under pressure. A game he had over 1 month to prepare for. Young is the only QB I would take at #2 and I don't really want him, but he has shows he can move under duress and still complete the pass, but we have never seen him operate under center due to Alabama's offense. If he had Russell or Kyler's FRAME I would be okay with him.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Go back and read the articles about how the performance under pressure with Stroud is bogus.
And for me, it is nothing to do with the guys not being really good...it is that hard to crack the top 5.
AFC only top tier
Mahomes, Allen, Burrows
Young and fairly close
Herbert, Lawerence
Murky situation
L. Jackson Rodgers
Have cosplayed top QBs at times
Tua, Watson
Porky
Hall of Fame
For what franchise QB? 20+ years in and I'm still waiting. Oh you mean Watson? The guy we had to ship off to Cleveland? I'm not counting him.
The Texans (and this board) keep kicking the can down the road. Some mystical beast labeled perfect QB will arise from the ashes next year...it's always next year, and refuse to work for any other team, work for min wage, and be knighted Prince of Houston who will come and save the day, kiss the sleeping beauty of a team, and whisk her away to live happily ever after. Next year. Don't worry - it's all going to happen next year.
Nobody knows if CJ is the man or not. Frankly, he probably isn't the white knight that will save this franchise. Those guys don't grow on trees. But I can 100% with certainty say he won't be a franchise QB here or at least a darn good one if he isn't taken. This team needs to keep taking QBs early and often until they get it right. It's the surest path to a SB.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
If Hooker's the target, they won't draft him at #33:
A. Any qb starved team will know they have to leapfrog us. We'll move up before that happens.
B. That 5th year option is especially important for a qb. If we grade him as a strong 2nd rounder we'll give up a Lil more for that extra year.
Jmo
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Seth Payne has had a lot of negative things to say about him. I'd wanna know if PS was 100% in because a change in position would mean less $ come contract time. Intriguing option nonetheless.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Where does coaching come into it. Look at the best o-line in Texans history which was good. 1 st rd pick project, a 3rd rd tackle, a 5th rd center, a low cost free agent and another low rd pick. What the had in common was that they were like a well oiled machine. Its about working as a unit with the talent. How many 1st rd picks on the sb champions did they have? You can't keep throwing resources and high picks at 5 guys or you're short changing the rest of the team.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
When and if Watson get back on track, he's as good as Burrows,Lawrence and Herbert. All those year in Houston, he had Hopkins as a weapon whereas Burrow and Herbert has 2 or 3 weapons plus a run game to boot. In the Afc alone, you need at least a top 10 guy to be in the conversation or you're wasting your time because in the end, its going to come down to that guy.
You mean everyone not including the thousands of people who are?
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Juice Scruggs is my day 3 swing interior OL. Would like one of Schmitz, Avila, Tippman or Wypler day 2 to be the starter. The interior OL would be set with quality depth and only Shaq Mason not on a rookie contract.
I don't believe that.
For me, it's not about a better QB next year. It's about setting the guy up to succeed.
The Texans screwed up thinking Schaub was the one, even before the injury. He was good, but he wasn't special. Those playoff teams should have had a better QB.
Watson was a good QB & had BO'b known how to install an offense in the NFL this team would have taken a big step forward.
But that team he played on & only won 4 games was a crappy team & wouldn't have done much better with Tom Brady.
This team we have now, isn't much better.
Though it is better.
I really wouldn't be upset if they draft a QB this year. But I don't want to see him on the field until everyone else knows what they're supposed to be doing. I don't want to be guessing if the WR ran the wrong route or if the QB guessed wrong. I don't want to see the RB on the wrong side because the QB identified the wrong MIKE, I don't want to see two OL double teaming air & the other side of the line overloaded with a 4 man rush.
& I damSure don't want to see our young QB throwing 50 times a game because the defense doesn't know how to tackle.
This team is too far away, imo, to open a 5 year window.