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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

Texansphan said:
In a QB friendly system, Stroud should be fine.
I just hope whoever it is gets at least 2 seasons before we pass judgement. Trevor Lawrence definitely looked like an NFL starter his sophomore year.
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IMO, because Stroud can stand in clean pocket and have well above average accuracy means he is pretty scheme diverse. Outside of heavy zone read schemes he should have a pretty high chance of being a start pretty soon and for pretty long time.
 
Bryce Young is the betting favorite to be the No. 1 overall pick, again
Posted by Mike Florio on April 12, 2023, 9:37 AM EDT


The betting markets have done a 360 on Bryce Young.

The Alabama quarterback was the favorite to be the first overall pick in the draft before the Panthers traded up to No. 1 last month. Then, it flipped to Ohio State quarterback C.J. Stroud. Now, it’s back to where it started.

Via BetMGM, Young has gone from -190 on February 20 to +300 on March 13 to -300 currently.
Stroud, in contrast, has flip-flopped from +400 to -300 to +210.

Meanwhile, two other quarterbacks have plummeted. Florida quarterback Anthony Richardson was +500 a month ago. Now, he’s at +2000. Kentucky quarterback Will Levis has fallen from +1400 to +5000.

It’s consistent with the news that continues to trickle out of Charlotte. And, as Chris Simms astutely pointed out on Tuesday’s PFT Live, the Panthers likely are doing it in order to get the fans prepared for what’s coming. That the presumption that the pick will be Stroud should be shifted to Young.

We’ll find out in 15 days. For now, though, it’s looking more and more like Young will be the pick of the Panthers.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Bryce Young is the betting favorite to be the No. 1 overall pick, again
Posted by Mike Florio on April 12, 2023, 9:37 AM EDT


The betting markets have done a 360 on Bryce Young.

The Alabama quarterback was the favorite to be the first overall pick in the draft before the Panthers traded up to No. 1 last month. Then, it flipped to Ohio State quarterback C.J. Stroud. Now, it’s back to where it started.

Via BetMGM, Young has gone from -190 on February 20 to +300 on March 13 to -300 currently.
Stroud, in contrast, has flip-flopped from +400 to -300 to +210.

Meanwhile, two other quarterbacks have plummeted. Florida quarterback Anthony Richardson was +500 a month ago. Now, he’s at +2000. Kentucky quarterback Will Levis has fallen from +1400 to +5000.

It’s consistent with the news that continues to trickle out of Charlotte. And, as Chris Simms astutely pointed out on Tuesday’s PFT Live, the Panthers likely are doing it in order to get the fans prepared for what’s coming. That the presumption that the pick will be Stroud should be shifted to Young.

We’ll find out in 15 days. For now, though, it’s looking more and more like Young will be the pick of the Panthers.
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I have seen Levis predicted to fall out of the first round.
It's worth it to take Will Anderson at #2, WR at #12 and take whichever QB is available at #33 - Levis and Hooker are options to sit and learn. Keep in mind we pick first on day 2 and I seriously doubt all 5 top QB's go in the first round - too much talent on offer.
 
zshawn10 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1646144816999280645

"Nick comes from the NE side where they don't pick the chalk so not getting a QB would be a surprise, but not a shock. Lot of teams didn't have Green as a first rounder and they took him with lots of house hold names on the board. Stingley over Sauce was a surprise leading up to the draft"
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Would Nick have picked Sting over Sauce? Perhaps Lovie's influence would be different than DeMeco’s?
 
thunderkyss said:
That's why they picked up Ej Perry, QB
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After having to google the guy to find out who he was, I'm not totally sure why they signed him unless they plan on keeping him on the practice squad. New drafted QB + Case + Mills means they aren't keeping all the QBs they currently have after the draft.

Now, if they don't draft a QB, and go into the season with Case, Mills and Perry, someone is going to be on the hot seat, and not just the QBs.
 
badboy said:
Would Nick have picked Sting over Sauce? Perhaps Lovie's influence would be different than DeMeco’s?
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If NC is open to allowing his HCs to pick their man, I trust Ryans to make it.
All NC needs to do is collate all the info on each prospect and they all mull it over at their various meetings.
I have no doubt this will be a good draft as NC is on the hotseat and Ryans will be keen to impress.
 
Thorn said:
After having to google the guy to find out who he was, I'm not totally sure why they signed him unless they plan on keeping him on the practice squad. New drafted QB + Case + Mills means they aren't keeping all the QBs they currently have after the draft.

Now, if they don't draft a QB, and go into the season with Case, Mills and Perry, someone is going to be on the hot seat, and not just the QBs.
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A lot of options for Texans.
Take one of the top 2 at #2
Wait until the top of day two - I bet Levis and or Hooker will be there.
Meanwhile, in the second scenario, in Case we trust!
 
Texansphan said:
In a QB friendly system, Stroud should be fine.
I just hope whoever it is gets at least 2 seasons before we pass judgement. Trevor Lawrence definitely looked like an NFL starter his sophomore year.
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I don't accept "fine" from the number 2 overall pick who is a QB. "Fine" is for a 3rd round QB
 
Number19 said:
He's very instinctive at escaping pressure. But doing so, he's not looking to run. He's keeping his eyes downfield to find his open receiver.

Lucky said:
Probably more so than any QB prospect I've ever seen. Young's a magician.
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Cool. I'll be on board if they pick him and will be excited about it.

Which means the Panthers will grab him and we'll get CJ. lol
 
I’ll be happy as a lark with CJ. Ever since I watched CJ tear it up vs. Georgia he has continuously moved up in my mind. He is a master technician. mechanically His feet are so in line with his body, his throwing motion is silky smooth, he can look off defenders, find secondary targets, reads the whole field. His accuracy is best in class, and for a wco that’s highly important. He isn’t a cannon arm, but it’s an plus quality NFL arm. He can make any throw required. On the technicals…he is the class of this litter.

That whole master technician thing sort of his gift and his anchor all at the same time. He has a lot more trouble when he can’t set his feet or observe the field, isn’t nearly the creator Bryce is, etc. I did see major improvements on this in the Georgia game but I think he is more of a rhythm pocket passer who will likely develop more feel to play off schedule with a year or two under his belt. Still…don’t believe he will ever be the true playmaker type back there. He will need guys around him.

Bottom line, due to Doc scaring the hell out of me with Bryce’s shoulder…I now have these two in a complete dead heat. I’d still have Bryce ahead but the shoulder knocks him down a bit. Dead freaking heat.

Let Carolina make their selection, and don’t get cute. Grab whomever is left, and let’s roll into a new era of Texans football.
 
Porky said:
Come on dude. Even you don't believe what you just wrote. Who has the better career is always unknown so nobody can flat out say Stroud will ultimately be the better QB.

But as NFL rookie prospects, clearly, it's Stroud > Hooker and by a wide margin. They aren't even close to one in the same.
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The only thing that separates the two from the reality that could have been was a non-contact ACL injury to Hooker. If Hooker finishes the season there’s no doubt that he probably gets the Heismen then does the Combine and his Pro Day. I’d then say it would be a three horse race as to who the top pick would be. There’s a reason Hooker is starting to ascend towards RD1, even with his age and ACL being taken into consideration.

I was following Stroud, Young and Hooker from the start of the CFB season. The more I saw Hooker, the more I liked what I was seeing. I could’ve gone Young or Stroud just as easily, but I’ve been in Hooker’s camp from the get go.
 
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sandman said:
I was thinking more of the definition of when your wife looks at you and says "fine". Because things are not fine at that point.
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Whoever it is, I'm not expecting much his rookie season, but I am looking for a lot more fulfilled potential his sophomore year.
 
Porky said:
Still…don’t believe he will ever be the true playmaker type back there. He will need guys around him.
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For the most part, Stroud will have to do it the way Brady did it. The way Peyton did it. Read the defense pre snap. Go to the open man. Rinse & repeat. I'm not saying Stroud will become a HOFer. Just what his method for success will be. At some point, he will need to know as much as the OC knows about the offense. When Stroud can read a NFL defense and know what they're trying to do to him, he will become dominant. And all of the playmaker stuff won't matter.

Until then, he will have to setup residence in the film room.
 
From Jon Weeks Burner (@joshstanleyekc): Would the Texans take Stroud at No. 2 if Young is gone?

Jon, this is an excellent question—and one that could shape the rest of the top 10. I also think it’s a conversation that the Texans themselves are having now, and one they haven’t come to a final decision on yet. And you might say …

But the Texans have to take one now!

Do they? Let’s look at the history of the guys in charge. General manager Nick Caserio has been in the NFL for 22 seasons. Over that time, over all the drafts he’s been a part of, the highest his team has drafted a quarterback was 62nd. That pick was Jimmy Garoppolo. Davis Mills, who the Texans took 66th two years ago, would be second on that list. Meanwhile, new coach DeMeco Ryans, over six years in San Francisco, saw one quarterback taken higher than that, and the Niners got to three NFC title games with quarterbacks other than Trey Lance.

That’s why I don’t think Caserio and Ryans will reach on a guy they’re not 100% sold on with the second pick (maybe they’d be more open to a dice roll later in the draft). Both guys have seen teams built in other ways, and both have seen teams find quarterbacks in other ways. So if anyone will be open to it, it’d be these two guys.

That said, as we mentioned in the Monday column, the Texans were close to dealing for the first pick, which tells me there’s at least one quarterback that’s truly worth going at the top of the draft. I suspect that quarterback will be gone when they pick, so we’ll see whether they think there are two of them in this year’s class.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1646211649408319495
 
zshawn10 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1646211649408319495
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The reasons the author states for why the Texans might pass on a QB at #2 are weak. Caserio has never used a draft pick higher than #62 on a QB. Well, in Nick's first 2 decades in the NFL, Tom Brady was on his team. And in his two years with the Texans, he took a QB with his first pick (it was a 3rd rounder). And in his 2nd draft in Houston, there were no QBs worthy of selection at picks #3 or #13.

DeMeco saw the Niners take a high first round pick, and he barely played. OK. DeMeco also saw how if the Niners had a franchise QB, he might be wearing 3 Super Bowl rings right now. I'm sure Coach Ryans understands what the QB position can do for a football team.

Maybe the Texans really do pass on a QB at #2. Maybe. But not for the ridiculous reasons stated in this article.
 
The top of this draft blows as for tier one players, I don’t think any of the QB’s deserve tier one status. Only one player gets it, Bijan Robinson. I know people like to take RB’s later due to shelf life, even though Bijan will outlast Bryce probably. Some team may want to trade to 2 for this special player, or let’s keep the boy in Texas. I mean heck, why not. We would have a great platoon that’s for sure.


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AcresHomesTexan said:
IMO, because Stroud can stand in clean pocket and have well above average accuracy means he is pretty scheme diverse. Outside of heavy zone read schemes he should have a pretty high chance of being a start pretty soon and for pretty long time.
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Porky said:
I’ll be happy as a lark with CJ. Ever since I watched CJ tear it up vs. Georgia he has continuously moved up in my mind. He is a master technician. mechanically His feet are so in line with his body, his throwing motion is silky smooth, he can look off defenders, find secondary targets, reads the whole field. His accuracy is best in class, and for a wco that’s highly important. He isn’t a cannon arm, but it’s an plus quality NFL arm. He can make any throw required. On the technicals…he is the class of this litter.

That whole master technician thing sort of his gift and his anchor all at the same time. He has a lot more trouble when he can’t set his feet or observe the field, isn’t nearly the creator Bryce is, etc. I did see major improvements on this in the Georgia game but I think he is more of a rhythm pocket passer who will likely develop more feel to play off schedule with a year or two under his belt. Still…don’t believe he will ever be the true playmaker type back there. He will need guys around him.

Bottom line, due to Doc scaring the hell out of me with Bryce’s shoulder…I now have these two in a complete dead heat. I’d still have Bryce ahead but the shoulder knocks him down a bit. Dead freaking heat.

Let Carolina make their selection, and don’t get cute. Grab whomever is left, and let’s roll into a new era of Texans football.
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Lucky said:
For the most part, Stroud will have to do it the way Brady did it. The way Peyton did it. Read the defense pre snap. Go to the open man. Rinse & repeat. I'm not saying Stroud will become a HOFer. Just what his method for success will be. At some point, he will need to know as much as the OC knows about the offense. When Stroud can read a NFL defense and know what they're trying to do to him, he will become dominant. And all of the playmaker stuff won't matter.

Until then, he will have to setup residence in the film room.
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Everything I think I think about CJ Stroud.
 
Lucky said:
For the most part, Stroud will have to do it the way Brady did it. The way Peyton did it. Read the defense pre snap. Go to the open man. Rinse & repeat. I'm not saying Stroud will become a HOFer. Just what his method for success will be. At some point, he will need to know as much as the OC knows about the offense. When Stroud can read a NFL defense and know what they're trying to do to him, he will become dominant. And all of the playmaker stuff won't matter.

Until then, he will have to setup residence in the film room.
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It's funny because when I wrote that post about CJ I was actually thinking about Payton Manning and Brady and started to include them. But I was like nope, not going there. People will say are you crazy, he's not as good as Manning or Brady. Never mind that I'm thinking play style. Payton and Brady beat people with brains more than arms. If CJ can develop that trait where he becomes the coach on the field and can dissect the D presnap, he can be special. That takes time, but by 2025 if he really dives in...he could be that kind of guy. *Again, not a direct comparison but that type of coach on the field guy that just picks teams apart.
 
Corrosion said:
I was told back in February, right after Demeco was hired (and posted it somewhere) that no one in the building felt pressured to take a QB and since then that idea has been reiterated on several occasions.
They are not married to the idea ....

I think there's one QB they would take at #2 and if the Panthers take that guy at one, they'll take Anderson or trade out of the pick altogether.
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From last week .... :yawn:
 
JB said:
Unless they trade down with someone that wants CJ. Why else would someone move up if Young goes first? Besides, you can't draft based on what other teams might do
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I think there are a plethora of reason why they won't pass CJ if he's available. The public perception of CJ or Bryce could be widely different from how they rank the 2 prospects. Just like people were surprised when Daniel Jones went before Haskins. I'm looking at the landscape of the afc in particular. It's loaded at young qbs who are top shelf. This is a qb driven league and continues to push that way even further. What Lil Shanny did in the nfc without a top flight qb is remarkable. Can it be duplicated? Probably about as good as you can duplicate what Brady did in NE. Unless anyone thinks Slovik I'd the next Lil Shanny. I guess we're going to see, but if I were a betting man, I'm laying money on them taking whomever is leftover.
 
Lucky said:
The Texans trading up from #12 to #3 is a ballsy move. The draft chart says 1000 points. That would be #33 + a 2024 1st. Then there's the competition from maybe 3 other teams for the pick? It would only get more expensive.
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I’d love the aggressiveness. Like the Rams “eff them picks” strategy of grabbing blue chippers but they are on rookie contracts. The downside is they aren’t proven all pros. Would be a lot of confidence in your scouts/coaches that they can nail these picks.
 

"got an text from an Gm from a NFC team saying hey your mock draft is closest to what reality is"
"Darnell wright is going higher than people think, Paris johnson will go lower than what people think, will drop"
"oddsmakers look at mock drafts and set their oddds based on that, vegas oddsmakers don't have inside information"
"60-65 percent chance that Texans take Stroud at 2"
"Frank Reich doesn't want BY, Panthers owner want BY and he will get it unless he wants to back off of it"
"the rumors is that CJ did not score well on the C2 and BY's number is extremely high, has there been any QB in the last 7 years that has a low scored did well as a QB? No"
"Wilson is not as skilled as Anderson, Anderson is already skilled but will not get a lot better, teams want guys who can get a lot better, no inside info on who the texans actually want"
"I have talked to 3 teams that have Tyree ahead of Will Anderson"
"I havent heard anything that will take me off of drafting CJ Stroud"
 
zshawn10 said:

"got an text from an Gm from a NFC team saying hey your mock draft is closest to what reality is"
"Darnell wright is going higher than people think, Paris johnson will go lower than what people think, will drop"
"oddsmakers look at mock drafts and set their oddds based on that, vegas oddsmakers don't have inside information"
"60-65 percent chance that Texans take Stroud at 2"
"Frank Reich doesn't want BY, Panthers owner want BY and he will get it unless he wants to back off of it"
"the rumors is that CJ did not score well on the C2 and BY's number is extremely high, has there been any QB in the last 7 years that has a low scored did well as a QB? No"
"Wilson is not as skilled as Anderson, Anderson is already skilled but will not get a lot better, teams want guys who can get a lot better, no inside info on who the texans actually want"
"I have talked to 3 teams that have Tyree ahead of Will Anderson"
"I havent heard anything that will take me off of drafting CJ Stroud"
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This is why I like to listen to things myself over just taking tweets for granted. That tweet from Conner Allen draws conclusions that aren't there.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Nick is NOT on any hot seat!
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zshawn10 said:

"got an text from an Gm from a NFC team saying hey your mock draft is closest to what reality is"
"Darnell wright is going higher than people think, Paris johnson will go lower than what people think, will drop"
"oddsmakers look at mock drafts and set their oddds based on that, vegas oddsmakers don't have inside information"
"60-65 percent chance that Texans take Stroud at 2"
"Frank Reich doesn't want BY, Panthers owner want BY and he will get it unless he wants to back off of it"
"the rumors is that CJ did not score well on the C2 and BY's number is extremely high, has there been any QB in the last 7 years that has a low scored did well as a QB? No"
"Wilson is not as skilled as Anderson, Anderson is already skilled but will not get a lot better, teams want guys who can get a lot better, no inside info on who the texans actually want"
"I have talked to 3 teams that have Tyree ahead of Will Anderson"
"I havent heard anything that will take me off of drafting CJ Stroud"
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Tyree has a better skillset than Anderson plus he's a bigger, more explosive,but has an injury history.
 
leebigeztx said:
I think there are a plethora of reason why they won't pass CJ if he's available. The public perception of CJ or Bryce could be widely different from how they rank the 2 prospects. Just like people were surprised when Daniel Jones went before Haskins. I'm looking at the landscape of the afc in particular. It's loaded at young qbs who are top shelf. This is a qb driven league and continues to push that way even further. What Lil Shanny did in the nfc without a top flight qb is remarkable. Can it be duplicated? Probably about as good as you can duplicate what Brady did in NE. Unless anyone thinks Slovik I'd the next Lil Shanny. I guess we're going to see, but if I were a betting man, I'm laying money on them taking whomever is leftover.
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Can we call him #2 or plan b or Anything besides left over?
 
leebigeztx said:
Tyree has a better skillset than Anderson plus he's a bigger, more explosive,but has an injury history.
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Disagree. His 40 time is 4.82 seconds - this means he will have trouble getting around pass protectors.
Anderson's time is 4.6 and he has better stats.
Myles Murphy is 4.58 at the same size and weight as Wilson.
 
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