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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

Porky said:
I've made peace with the whole Lovie giving us the finger on the way out the door situation. Nick bears a ton of responsibility in that fiasco as well. Lovie should have been canned a week or two early, and/or Nick should have demanded that certain players be sat down like Cooks for example. There could have also been clear communication that if the situation arises, don't "quit" but don't go balls to the wall full scale aggressive either. So...maybe I haven't made peace with it yet after all.

I'll be back. I have to go find my Lovie Smith Voodoo doll. I still have some spare pins left. The next one is in the groin. Take that Lovie!
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I cut Lovie some slack because he rid this franchise of Jack Easterby. I feel like that leech would still be in the building sucking away energy if Lovie hadn't forced them to fire the jackass.

I'm at peace with picking either Young or Stroud or Anderson. I'm convinced it will be one of these three, and it's a pick that DeMeco stands by so I'll support him accordingly.

Exciting (for me) that they will definitely be getting talent that will improve this team.
 
Porky said:
The Bears yanked half the damn starters that last game. And what does the color of the coach have to do with anything?
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The color of the coach matters because the Flores lawsuit was a racial hiring practices thing as well as tanking. And the Bears didn’t have a coach that was about to be fired we did, that’s the difference
 
Texansballer74 said:
Do not want Levis Mr. Turnover Machine.
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I’m not fine with him at 2. But if I can get Anderson at 2 then Levis in 8-12 range then i’m feeling good. Maybe even better than Young/Stroud and lets say Van Ness or Myles Murphy as the edge at 12.

Rookies are going to have a learning curve. Levis is going to need to be coached up. But he is familiar with the foundation of the system this team will be running and has all the physical tools you need to be successful. It’s up to the coaches to turn him into a franchise QB and up to the GM to put talent around him.

Will Anderson would make this defense an instant factor. The type of player that gives OCs fits and makes everything easier for the players around him. I think that would help a rookie QB so they are in situations they can hand off to two stud RBs and not be asked to throw it 40 times a game.
 
TheRealJoker said:
I’m not fine with him at 2. But if I can get Anderson at 2 then Levis in 8-12 range then i’m feeling good. Maybe even better than Young/Stroud and lets say Van Ness or Myles Murphy as the edge at 12.

Rookies are going to have a learning curve. Levis is going to need to be coached up. But he is familiar with the foundation of the system this team will be running and has all the physical tools you need to be successful. It’s up to the coaches to turn him into a franchise QB and up to the GM to put talent around him.

Will Anderson would make this defense an instant factor. The type of player that gives OCs fits and makes everything easier for the players around him. I think that would help a rookie QB so they are in situations they can hand off to two stud RBs and not be asked to throw it 40 times a game.
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I'm starting to think my preference is Anderson at 2 and then BPA at 12 be it WR or CB or Ol and then take a qb later in the draft
 
JB said:
I'm starting to think my preference is Anderson at 2 and then BPA at 12 be it WR or CB or Ol and then take a qb later in the draft
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That’s been my preference but it’d take a lot of stones to do that. I don’t think it’ll happen but i’d be pleasantly surprised! The only non QB that is in consideration for pick 2 and had a top 30 visit is Anderson though…
 
Levis is a raw turnover machine. Imho, I think his bust potential is high. He could ball out. Wouldn’t be the first time I’m wrong, but for me personally, I have him as a 3rd rounder although I think he goes much higher than that.
 
JB said:
and then take a qb later in the draft
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You think the Texans scouts and coaching staff can pull a Brock Purdy out of their hat? I'm not expecting a miracle. I'm hoping for Keep It Simple, Stupid. Take the best QB on the board. That's your best chance at becoming a winner.
 
TheRealJoker said:
I’m not fine with him at 2. But if I can get Anderson at 2 then Levis in 8-12 range then i’m feeling good. Maybe even better than Young/Stroud and lets say Van Ness or Myles Murphy as the edge at 12.

Rookies are going to have a learning curve. Levis is going to need to be coached up. But he is familiar with the foundation of the system this team will be running and has all the physical tools you need to be successful. It’s up to the coaches to turn him into a franchise QB and up to the GM to put talent around him.

Will Anderson would make this defense an instant factor. The type of player that gives OCs fits and makes everything easier for the players around him. I think that would help a rookie QB so they are in situations they can hand off to two stud RBs and not be asked to throw it 40 times a game.
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I’m going with the better prospect with that number 2 pick. And IMO that’s either Stroud or Young. Then with 12 I’m going with Jalen Carter, Myles Murphy, or Tyree Wilson. Even if I had to move to acquire one of them. All of them will be studs at the next level. And if you want to wait until the next round, maybe Bryan Bresee, Nolan Smith or Calijah Kancey.
 
Lucky said:
You think the Texans scouts and coaching staff can pull a Brock Purdy out of their hat? I'm not expecting a miracle. I'm hoping for Keep It Simple, Stupid. Take the best QB on the board. That's your best chance at becoming a winner.
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Lol that’s an outlier at its finest. What works for others might not work out for you.
 
Lucky said:
You think the Texans scouts and coaching staff can pull a Brock Purdy out of their hat? I'm not expecting a miracle. I'm hoping for Keep It Simple, Stupid. Take the best QB on the board. That's your best chance at becoming a winner.
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I don't know how you got that from what I posted, but no I don't expect a miracle. I am not convinced that either Young or Stroud can lead the Texans to the promised ground. You do. That's okay because we are all entitled to our opinions. I would like the Texans to take the best football player regardless of position, and that's Anderson
 
Texansballer74 said:
I’m going with the better prospect with that number 2 pick. And IMO that’s either Stroud or Young. Then with 12 I’m going with Jalen Carter, Myles Murphy, or Tyree Wilson. Even if I had to move to acquire one of them. All of them will be studs at the next level. And if you want to wait until the next round, maybe Bryan Bresee, Nolan Smith or Calijah Kancey.
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I think we can get some good wrs later in the draft, but I agree with either of those three unless Bijan is there. It’s going to be a tough choice.
 
Lucky said:
You think the Texans scouts and coaching staff can pull a Brock Purdy out of their hat? I'm not expecting a miracle. I'm hoping for Keep It Simple, Stupid. Take the best QB on the board. That's your best chance at becoming a winner.
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That's also a recipe for being in QB hell for a few years if that best QB on the board is the next big bust.
I was enamored for a bit by Levis' & Richardson's athleticism and arm strength, but I would take either BY or Stroud at 1.2 since they both seem to be better fits for the style of offense, we're likely to see. Both Young and Stroud are more accurate passers, and both are better passers, on the move than Levis or Richardson.
If Caserio decides that 2024 is a better draft for QBs, I'd take a late round flyer on Tune.
 
santo said:
That speed is only good if he can break tackles or find the open space. 🤔
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One of Abanikanda's strengths is his ability to fall forward and shake off potential tackles to then produce big yards. In NFL circles, that is what Ezekiel Elliott was like when he first entered the league.


He is also a patient runner, so he won't go full stream ahead into trouble, instead looking for a gap to shoot through. On top of that, he is a decent blocker in the run game and can be used to devastating effect in the passing game as well. Abanikanda isn't the most physically imposing running back and when it comes to blocking, he isn't the stand in the hole and each an oncoming blitzer, instead he is more of a cut blocker.

These highlights can really get your heart pounding. Great vision!
 
Lucky said:
There's also speculation that Smith-Njigba made a business decision and decided to sit out the 2022 season rather than risk further injury. Decisions to play become complicated when prospects like Smith-Njigba are already on the draft radar. Who really knows were the truth lies? What is known is that Smith-Njigba is healthy now, and a likely 1st round pick in the draft.
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That is indeed only irrational speculation. After the second rehab (not playing) setback/re-injury of his severe Grade II hamstring tear, he was not going to be able to return to play last season without very high risk for more severe injury extension and/or compensatory injury could be virtually ruled out . The decision was made based on medical findings and history. To follow any other route would have simultaneously and secondarily also been a misguided business decision
 
From Jon Weeks Burner (@joshstanleyekc): What are the Texans doing at pick 2?

Jon, I think they’re going to take a quarterback, and the best piece of evidence I have to prove it was with how they handled the availability of the No. 1 pick earlier in the month. For a time there, it certainly looked like the double trade scenario would happen—with Chicago trading first with Houston to No. 2, then with Carolina to No. 9. As we detailed a couple of weeks ago, the Bears and Texans couldn’t quite get to the finish line on a deal.

That said, that Houston was willing to go as far down that road as it did is a pretty good tell the Texans are where most rival teams think they are, and that’s locked in on taking a quarterback at No. 2. If there’s a piece of evidence to the contrary, it’s that neither GM Nick Caserio nor coach DeMeco Ryans were at the three quarterback pro days last week. But I tend to think that has more to do with a new coach/GM pairing having better work to do back at the office than what would be accomplished in Columbus, Lexington or Tuscaloosa.

My guess is the Texans will wind up with either C.J. Stroud or Bryce Young—whichever one isn’t taken first by the Panthers.

From Fid (@RandyFidler): You're the Panthers GM draft day. Who are you selecting and who would you target with the 2nd round pick to complement?

I think Bryce Young. Everything I’ve heard about Young as a kid is A-plus-plus. His OC from Alabama, Bill O’Brien, told teams in the fall he’s never had a player like Young, and O’Brien coached Tom Brady. Scouts will tell you his accuracy, instincts, pocket movement, football IQ, competitiveness and toughness are all A-plus. I’ve also heard he absolutely blew away Carolina coach Frank Reich when they sat down and talked football.

If he was 6'3" and 220 pounds, there’d be no discussion. He’d be the No. 1 pick. But he’s not, and that is not a cursory issue for teams.

And it could be a problem for Young, too, because C.J. Stroud does have closer-to-prototype size (6'3", 214 pounds) for the position, and brings a lot of what Young does to the table. The questions with him are more on his willingness to run, put his body on the line and create off-schedule—things he actually did flash in his final college game, which happened to be a national semifinal against Georgia.

Ultimately, I think there’s a good chance Stroud will wind up going first, because he’s close enough to Young traits-wise, and you’re well within the scouting guardrails size-wise for a quarterback with him. But I’ve heard enough people call Young special—really special—to the point where it’d be hard for me to pass on him.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1641422214053462018
 
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What's the latest on the No. 1 pick front?
The Carolina Panthers would have you believe they moved up from No. 9 to No. 1 in the draft without knowing which quarterback they're taking. As you'd expect, some people don't believe that, and a very unscientific poll of sources to whom I spoke at the meeting tells me most people believe they're taking Ohio State's C.J. Stroud.

But Panthers coach Frank Reich was adamant Tuesday that they're going through their process and considering each of the top four quarterback prospects -- Stroud, Alabama's Bryce Young, Kentucky's Will Levis and Florida's Anthony Richardson
-- equally. Reich was asked what he learned from his experience on the Eagles' coaching staff in 2016 when they moved up to No. 2 and took Carson Wentz.

"Just going through the process and knowing how important it is to be patient," Reich said. "You might see a throw, or you might sit down with a guy and you say, 'I love this guy. This is it.' But just finish the process. Be patient. You've got time. We don't have to make this decision today. Stay true to the process."

Panthers decision-makers hung with Stroud, Young and Levis last week at their respective pro days and were headed to Richardson's this week to put him through the same paces. -- Graziano
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CloakNNNdagger said:
The only WR in this upcoming Draft that has skill sets that are not apparently significantly flawed is Smith-Njigba. But when I do a deep dive into his college career, there are significant red flags for me.

In 2021, Smith-Njigba caught 95 passes for 1,606 yds and 9 TDs. He had a record-breaking performance in the Rose Bowl catching 15 passes from Stroud for 346 yds and 3 TDs. But that was 2021. Last year, Smith-Njigba played only 3 games, producing only 5 catches for 43 yds. This poor production was due to significant unrelenting hamstring issues. So, like Stingley, his rave career production is based on a single past season alone. Now he is foregoing his senior year. To a team looking to take him high in the Draft............Buyer beware!

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not bad company
 
I like JSN, even better if Stroud falls to 2 (Young to CAR at 1.1). But I do have at least some concern about the hammy. I have no idea how teams generally feel about his hammy. All I know is Will Fuller never had a hangnail in college and we know the rest of the story. Frank Gore had ACL's in college like I change my socks and the dude finally retired after what seemed like a 35 year NFL career only out of boredom lol.

Bottom line is trying to determine who is a real injury risk and who is not is a blind dart board throw. History counts sure...but how much I think is very much player to player. You can't just put people into square boxes. Each person is an individual and should be treated as such and I don't have access to his recent medicals so I'll pass on guessing.
 
Porky said:
I like JSN, even better if Stroud falls to 2 (Young to CAR at 1.1). But I do have at least some concern about the hammy. I have no idea how teams generally feel about his hammy. All I know is Will Fuller never had a hangnail in college and we know the rest of the story. Frank Gore had ACL's in college like I change my socks and the dude finally retired after what seemed like a 35 year NFL career only out of boredom lol.

Bottom line is trying to determine who is a real injury risk and who is not is a blind dart board throw. History counts sure...but how much I think is very much player to player. You can't just put people into square boxes. Each person is an individual and should be treated as such and I don't have access to his recent medicals so I'll pass on guessing.
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There are obviously exceptions to everything. But if you base your future on exceptions, you are much more likely lose your future.
 
Porky said:
I like JSN, even better if Stroud falls to 2 (Young to CAR at 1.1). But I do have at least some concern about the hammy. I have no idea how teams generally feel about his hammy. All I know is Will Fuller never had a hangnail in college and we know the rest of the story. Frank Gore had ACL's in college like I change my socks and the dude finally retired after what seemed like a 35 year NFL career only out of boredom lol.

Bottom line is trying to determine who is a real injury risk and who is not is a blind dart board throw. History counts sure...but how much I think is very much player to player. You can't just put people into square boxes. Each person is an individual and should be treated as such and I don't have access to his recent medicals so I'll pass on guessing.
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I agree with you that there are obviously exceptions to everything. But if you base your future medicals on exceptions, you are much more likely lose your future.
 
powda said:
You want a qb at #2 and #33? Yes, mind blown. Not in a good Jenna Jamison kind of way. More like a full metal jacket bathroom scene kinda way.
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Gives Hooker time to rehab. Get right!
Stroud competition.
QB quality depth in case unforeseen injury.
Tied up only two roster spots.
On the cheap.
Teams will be lighting up Caserio phone.
Texans need to mine another golden ticket.
What if Stroud agent, wants to out do his Watson contract w/Browns?
That’s option out if Hooker willing to take a home town discount.
You never know what could happen, but you plan for all possibilities.
Olajuwon & Mosses Malone.
Have a nice day :koolaid:
 
beerlover said:
Gives Hooker time to rehab. Get right!
Stroud competition.
QB quality depth in case unforeseen injury.
Tied up only two roster spots.
On the cheap.
Teams will be lighting up Caserio phone.
Texans need to mine another golden ticket.
What if Stroud agent, wants to out do his Watson contract w/Browns?
That’s option out if Hooker willing to take a home town discount.
You never know what could happen, but you plan for all possibilities.
Olajuwon & Mosses Malone.
Have a nice day :koolaid:
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You said stroud as "competition" with the #2 pick overall?

Hmmmmmm.

Do you know what happens when teams have 2 assets they can't keep?

Other teams wait until it's no longer economically feasible and get them cheap. Drafting your "pawn" the same year as your starter might be the biggest flaw in your scheme. They're on the same timeline.

I don't utterly hate your plan, we did it with Drew Henson. Just dont do it in the same year.

Have a nicer day.
 
powda said:
You said stroud as "competition" with the #2 pick overall?

Hmmmmmm.

Do you know what happens when teams have 2 assets they can't keep?

Other teams wait until it's no longer economically feasible and get them cheap. Drafting your "pawn" the same year as your starter might be the biggest flaw in your scheme. They're on the same timeline.

I don't utterly hate your plan, we did it with Drew Henson. Just dont do it in the same year.

Have a nicer day.
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I see Hooker more as competition for Stroud... and good insurance against injury- see RGIII and Cousins

That said, I would not do it
 
DocBar said:
How the draft went: 2023 NFL Mock Draft Simulator | PFF
Who I drafted:
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Pro Football Focus is delusional to think that Darnell Washington will be available at the beginning of round 3. If he doesn't commit manslaughter or get busted for illegal drug abuse in the next three weeks, I would bet he goes in the top 20. He is about as unicorny as it gets in this draft!... As a matter of a fact, I would be happy if the Texans took him at 12.
 
JB said:
I see Hooker more as competition for Stroud... and good insurance against injury- see RGIII and Cousins

That said, I would not do it
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I did some research and film study on Hooker after hearing the Texans were meeting with him. I like the idea that the Texans aren't committed to a QB at 2 no matter who goes at 1... However, after watching film of Hooker: HELL NO! His footwork is a joke.. and, it appears he almost needs a running start to make downfield throws. What a mess! What I did confirm while watching his film is that I really want the WR Hyatt! (2nd round or maybe late 1st)
 
I changed my mind again...If Young is there at 2 there's no way I pass on him. He's just too good of a player to pass on. I'm not concerned about his size. I don't think that will be an issue/ I don't see him sustaining more injuries than other QB's do.

I'd be good with Stroud at 2 as well, but I think the prize is Young.
 
powda said:
You said stroud as "competition" with the #2 pick overall?

Hmmmmmm.

Do you know what happens when teams have 2 assets they can't keep?

Other teams wait until it's no longer economically feasible and get them cheap. Drafting your "pawn" the same year as your starter might be the biggest flaw in your scheme. They're on the same timeline.

I don't utterly hate your plan, we did it with Drew Henson. Just dont do it in the same year.

Have a nicer day.
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Hey gotta give him an E for trying and being extra creative. Well thought out plan that the Washington Red—— attempted so many years ago.
 
powda said:
Jsn reads to much like metchie to me. I won't be happy with him at #12.
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Probably a good comparison. Both sneaky fast and can work the middle of the field. Smith-Njigba is bigger, maybe better getting a release at the LOS.

But, teams need more than one good WR. I'm pretty sure they could play together without issue.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I changed my mind again...If Young is there at 2 there's no way I pass on him. He's just too good of a player to pass on. I'm not concerned about his size. I don't think that will be an issue/ I don't see him sustaining more injuries than other QB's do.

I'd be good with Stroud at 2 as well, but I think the prize is Young.
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exactly. And that’s what will happen. Anyone that thinks we aren’t drafting the sloppy leftover the Panthers leave us between Stroud and Young is living in a fantasy world of their own creation. Outside of being blown away to trade down it’s an ironclad guarantee that we draft Stroud or Young…more likely Young.
 
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