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2023 Free Agency

badboy said:
So it's not just me seeing Caserio not being as good as he should be. Hopefully, the draft turns off season around.
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It's not just you and Rivers. Truth is some folks just go along with the train ride no matter how off course the train may go, and how many times the wheels fall off. They will simply make new excuses on top of the old excuses because the truth hurts.

As for me, I'm really disappointed in this FA class. The best decision was the trade with TB. I can also get onboard with Ward - I see the thinking of the vet guy to help Pitre and Sting and be a leader back there for a couple of years. Woods? Meh? Ok I guess but he's not a real difference maker.

Outside of that, this class is a big fat zero to this point. Ya, I know it's not over, blah blah blah. Add in the two major losses in FA and not counting the trade (because that isn't FA) this FA period is a wash at best as of today. We'll see what else happens, but no Center is a HUGE failure on the part of Nick. At this point, I'm interested in a trade for a vet C. We can't go into this with Q and some rookie. No way, no how.

And that's with the 3rd most cap space coming in to FA. SF has no money but got the best DL when they are already stacked. Money can be found for targeted guys. Nick just really likes the bargain bin at the dollar store. I was hoping for at least JC Penney, but oh well. I've accepted my fate as a Texans fan!
 
Porky said:
It's not just you and Rivers. Truth is some folks just go along with the train ride no matter how off course the train may go, and how many times the wheels fall off. They will simply make new excuses on top of the old excuses because the truth hurts.

As for me, I'm really disappointed in this FA class. The best decision was the trade with TB. I can also get onboard with Ward - I see the thinking of the vet guy to help Pitre and Sting and be a leader back there for a couple of years. Woods? Meh? Ok I guess but he's not a real difference maker.

Outside of that, this class is a big fat zero to this point. Ya, I know it's not over, blah blah blah. Add in the two major losses in FA and not counting the trade (because that isn't FA) this FA period is a wash at best as of today. We'll see what else happens, but no Center is a HUGE failure on the part of Nick. At this point, I'm interested in a trade for a vet C. We can't go into this with Q and some rookie. No way, no how.

And that's with the 3rd most cap space coming in to FA. SF has no money but got the best DL when they are already stacked. Money can be found for targeted guys. Nick just really likes the bargain bin at the dollar store. I was hoping for at least JC Penney, but oh well. I've accepted my fate as a Texans fan!
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The free agency moves so far look like they will marginally improve a team in dire need of an influx of talent. I think most people can agree that there were glaring weaknesses at Center and LB. Nothing has been done about that. Someone made a joke that they couldn't sign Jake Brendel because he wanted a contract longer than two years. They don't want to sign free agents to long contracts, but they also don't want to resign players who showed growth and talent. I just want to know what the strategy is. Is this another tank year and next year is when they put it all together?
 
To me, Caserio is avoiding the “splashy” moves. And by “splashy” I mean the players that will get overpaid, like Garrapolo. The hell with that. Yeah, he’s got some money to spend, for the first time since he’s been here, but NOT money to burn.

I think I’ll wait until the season is over before judging him about what he’s done in the preceding offseason. Because I have no idea how these acquisitions will turn out until then.

Overpaying the “splashy” just ends up being future dead money. And I HATE dead money.
 
Number19 said:
According to Spotrac, this morning, with everything accounted for including the draft pool cap and the dead cap, Texans have about $8.4M.

BUT, only the top 51 salaries are counted against the cap, so this number is $18.3 M.

I could be wrong, but the way I understand it, we have $18M left for signing new players.
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The new draft class will require $19MM so technically the Texans are $1MM underwater. They will also need $5MM for IR, LTBEs.
 
Porky said:
It's not just you and Rivers. Truth is some folks just go along with the train ride no matter how off course the train may go, and how many times the wheels fall off. They will simply make new excuses on top of the old excuses because the truth hurts.

As for me, I'm really disappointed in this FA class. The best decision was the trade with TB. I can also get onboard with Ward - I see the thinking of the vet guy to help Pitre and Sting and be a leader back there for a couple of years. Woods? Meh? Ok I guess but he's not a real difference maker.

Outside of that, this class is a big fat zero to this point. Ya, I know it's not over, blah blah blah. Add in the two major losses in FA and not counting the trade (because that isn't FA) this FA period is a wash at best as of today. We'll see what else happens, but no Center is a HUGE failure on the part of Nick. At this point, I'm interested in a trade for a vet C. We can't go into this with Q and some rookie. No way, no how.

And that's with the 3rd most cap space coming in to FA. SF has no money but got the best DL when they are already stacked. Money can be found for targeted guys. Nick just really likes the bargain bin at the dollar store. I was hoping for at least JC Penney, but oh well. I've accepted my fate as a Texans fan!
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What 2 big losses in FA?
 
Texian said:
The new draft class will require $19MM so technically the Texans are $1MM underwater. They will also need $5MM for IR, LTBEs.
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My understanding is that what spotrac calls the "draft pool cap" of $19M already accounts for what you call "new draft class" $19M. I don't find where spotrac accounts for the $5M.
 
Number19 said:
My understanding is that what spotrac calls the "draft pool cap" of $19M already accounts for what you call "new draft class" $19M. I don't find where spotrac accounts for the $5M.
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2023 Projected Draft Pool Cap
(Estimated cap dollars necessary to sign upcoming draft picks (not included in the cap figure yet)

They do not account for the $5MM because it is a projected unknown amount. Teams always have $5MM in reserve to sign IR replacements and to pay those players who meet their LTBEs (Likely To Be Earned).
 
Khelar said:
Just signed Sheldon Rankins to a 1 year 10mil deal. I like the player pickup I don’t really understand the contract.
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Excellent pickup at a position of need. His contract is in-line with what a starting DT makes. Player is betting on himself to get that Hargrave money next offseason.

He will make a nice pairing with Maliek Collins this season and improve the run defense substantially.
 
Texian said:
2023 Projected Draft Pool Cap
(Estimated cap dollars necessary to sign upcoming draft picks (not included in the cap figure yet)

They do not account for the $5MM because it is a projected unknown amount. Teams always have $5MM in reserve to sign IR replacements and to pay those players who meet their LTBEs (Likely To Be Earned).
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Yeh, that qualifier is not very readable on my phone, but I now see it's there in very faint text.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Excellent pickup at a position of need. His contract is in-line with what a starting DT makes. Player is betting on himself to get that Hargrave money next offseason.

He will make a nice pairing with Maliek Collins this season and improve the run defense substantially.
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Nice pickup!
Hopefully that'll calm down the few that've been crying about the lack of SPLASH signings by NC!
 
TheRealJoker said:
Excellent pickup at a position of need. His contract is in-line with what a starting DT makes. Player is betting on himself to get that Hargrave money next offseason.

He will make a nice pairing with Maliek Collins this season and improve the run defense substantially.
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This signing is pretty telling about what Meco’s philosophy is & what we could see unfold in the draft. 3 of our signings that are expected to play key roles are guys along the o-line and d-line to shore up the trenches. Makes me think that they like Will Anderson Jr alot more at 2 than people may realize. And when u sit back and look at what they’ve done in FA thus far with The d-line in particular by adding Ridgeway and now Rankins in with Collins, Adding a guy like Will Anderson Jr on the edge in a Micah Parsons / TJ Watt type role opposite Hughes….That front and pass rush has the potential to be nasty.

My thoughts are they think 1 of the 2 top qb’s has a chance to fall a little if they get past Indy at 4 in which case they consider moving up from 12 to nab them.
 
Porky said:
Tremon Smith who is a very good returner and an underrated secondary player.

The other guy is Obo Oko. That's what I call him. Don't ask me to spell his full name, but the 2nd half of last year he came on like a dog and was our best dlineman.
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Ogbo Okoronkwo #45 yea agree but he is a free agent no? May lose him idnk
 
wildroot said:
Nice pickup!
Hopefully that'll calm down the few that've been crying about the lack of SPLASH signings by NC!
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One year? That's not a splash, it's a puddle!

Like the player though and he will help for 2023, but this is another one-year deal. The guy will ball out in 23, and then leave. Y'all ok with that?

Nick's vision of team-building is now coming into very clear focus. It's really hard to deny now.

I will say that it can work, but it's a tough row to hoe. You have to put all your eggs into the draft basket to build your core and then resign most of those guys...and simply dabble on the edges in the FA market for bottom of roster and fill-in deficiencies year to year with aging vets looking to rebound or cash in on a longer deal elsewhere.

This puts almost the entire pressure on the draft. Again - this CAN work. It's really not much different than what Dallas does.

But you better be right on most of your day 1 and day 2 draft picks. Nobody is 100% right, but you need to get your big stars, and key long-term contributors via the draft and have far more hits than misses or you will not be a good team and will be churning a ton of players year after year.

What do you guys think of this philosophy now that it's really very clear where he is guiding the ship? You in? Hate it? In between?
 
Porky said:
Tremon Smith who is a very good returner and an underrated secondary player.

The other guy is Obo Oko. That's what I call him. Don't ask me to spell his full name, but the 2nd half of last year he came on like a dog and was our best dlineman.
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Yeah I don’t think calling Tremon Smith a big loss is accurate. He’s a rotational secondary player.

Tell ya what if we can call Woods a big pickup I’ll call Smith a big loss
 
Porky said:
One year? That's not a splash, it's a puddle!

Like the player though and he will help for 2023, but this is another one-year deal. The guy will ball out in 23, and then leave. Y'all ok with that?

Nick's vision of team-building is now coming into very clear focus. It's really hard to deny now.

I will say that it can work, but it's a tough row to hoe. You have to put all your eggs into the draft basket to build your core and then resign most of those guys...and simply dabble on the edges in the FA market for bottom of roster and fill-in deficiencies year to year with aging vets looking to rebound or cash in on a longer deal elsewhere.

This puts almost the entire pressure on the draft. Again - this CAN work. It's really not much different than what Dallas does.

But you better be right on most of your day 1 and day 2 draft picks. Nobody is 100% right, but you need to get your big stars, and key long-term contributors via the draft and have far more hits than misses or you will not be a good team and will be churning a ton of players year after year.

What do you guys think of this philosophy now that it's really very clear where he is guiding the ship? You in? Hate it? In between?
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You act like players have no say in these things? What if Rankins only wanted a 1 year contract? What if he saw the price DTs are going for and said to himself "Damn if I ball out in Ryans' D I can make much more next year"? Is Nick supposed to hit him over the head, stick a pen in his hand, grab the hand and sign Rankins' signature? Maybe use an autopen? Hire a forgerer?
 
Porky said:
One year? That's not a splash, it's a puddle!

Like the player though and he will help for 2023, but this is another one-year deal. The guy will ball out in 23, and then leave. Y'all ok with that?

Nick's vision of team-building is now coming into very clear focus. It's really hard to deny now.

I will say that it can work, but it's a tough row to hoe. You have to put all your eggs into the draft basket to build your core and then resign most of those guys...and simply dabble on the edges in the FA market for bottom of roster and fill-in deficiencies year to year with aging vets looking to rebound or cash in on a longer deal elsewhere.

This puts almost the entire pressure on the draft. Again - this CAN work. It's really not much different than what Dallas does.

But you better be right on most of your day 1 and day 2 draft picks. Nobody is 100% right, but you need to get your big stars, and key long-term contributors via the draft and have far more hits than misses or you will not be a good team and will be churning a ton of players year after year.

What do you guys think of this philosophy now that it's really very clear where he is guiding the ship? You in? Hate it? In between?
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year after year we see that the teams who “win” FA do much in the coming season. There’s a reason for that..Its b/c the philosophy simply doesn’t work all that well except under the specific circumstances where either the team is built and just needs 1 stud player to get over the top..usually a qb as was the case with the Rams and Stafford.…but even in that set up, it can still fail..See last year with Wilson & Watson.
 
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Xopher said:
You act like players have no say in these things? What if Rankins only wanted a 1 year contract? What if he saw the price DTs are going for and said to himself "Damn if I ball out in Ryans' D I can make much more next year"? Is Nick supposed to hit him over the head, stick a pen in his hand, grab the hand and sign Rankins' signature? Maybe use an autopen? Hire a forgerer?
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If you see a small animal and look it over. It seems to have a long bill. It's got webbed feet, and can fly short distances. It quacks and likes water too. What are you calling it?
 
TexansBull said:
The only thing dumber than proclaiming Bortles as a good qb is arguing with the guy who proclaims Bortles as a good QB.

Bortling: A verb that describes failure of decisions.
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This here is a reading and comprehension problem because I never said Bortles was good. Let's try another more elementary simpler try. Has Bortles ever played in the AFC Championship game? Have the Texans ever played in the AFC Championship game?
 
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Texazan said:
We really don't need a ton of big splashy moves right now. Somewhere in the middle feels about right which is what this is so far. As others have said surprised we haven't gone after a C but I'll assume DeMeco and NC have a plan to move on one.
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Reports were they went after Brendel and did not get him.
 
So far the two “losses” for the Texans have been Obo and Tremon Smith. If Tavierre Thomas leaves that would be the biggest loss imo. The team has gotten better since free agency began. Have they gotten the big splash additions we all wanted? No. But we all knew that wasn’t likely anyway.

This time last year people were upset that the team let Jacob Martin walk. Obo had done about as much as Chase Winovich prior to his arrival. But a favorable scheme helped him perform.

Hopefully the Texans can find a player that can fill that designated pass rusher role Martin and Obo held the past two seasons. I think Rivers in particular is talented enough. And I suspect he may have even been that guy last season if he hadn’t been injured the end of training camp. He was the most impressive DL in preseason and I am hopeful he breaks out this season.
 
Texian said:
This here is a reading and comprehension thing because I never said Bortles was good. Let's try another more elementary simpler try. Has Bortles ever played in the AFC Championship game? Have the Texans ever played in the AFC Championship game?
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You almost got me to argue with you. You are good.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
By what measurable? He sucked as good as any of the Texans listed. If a QB sucks….suck bad enough to gain great draft position…..don’t suck just bad enough to leave the team in no man’s land in the draft.
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AcresHomesTexan said:
The Jags made to a conference final
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Texian said:
Bingo and was 1 quarter away from going to the Super Bowl before succumbing to Tom Brady in the 4th quarter.
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Texian said:
Bortles played in the AFC Championship game and no Texans QB has. What's to debate?
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I'd venture to say that ol Blake doesn't really care!! ^^His girl!
 
Porky said:
One year? That's not a splash, it's a puddle!

Like the player though and he will help for 2023, but this is another one-year deal. The guy will ball out in 23, and then leave. Y'all ok with that?

Nick's vision of team-building is now coming into very clear focus. It's really hard to deny now.

I will say that it can work, but it's a tough row to hoe. You have to put all your eggs into the draft basket to build your core and then resign most of those guys...and simply dabble on the edges in the FA market for bottom of roster and fill-in deficiencies year to year with aging vets looking to rebound or cash in on a longer deal elsewhere.

This puts almost the entire pressure on the draft. Again - this CAN work. It's really not much different than what Dallas does.

But you better be right on most of your day 1 and day 2 draft picks. Nobody is 100% right, but you need to get your big stars, and key long-term contributors via the draft and have far more hits than misses or you will not be a good team and will be churning a ton of players year after year.

What do you guys think of this philosophy now that it's really very clear where he is guiding the ship? You in? Hate it? In between?
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I want to utilize the draft for long contracts lower dollars. Utilize FA to fill around and/or get that young guy just hitting his peak. We did miss on center but Skoronski would solve that. Having said that, not what i see Nick doing. He's putting favor on Kenyon to be the guy and I hope he is not only healthy but fits the system. A day 2 pick should bring our center of future.
 
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