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Texans trade for OG Shaq Mason
- Thread starter djohn2oo8
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Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Another solid move here. He's only 29. Texans FO has obviously been working behind the scenes.
Does anyone know what they traded for him?
Texian
Hall of Fame
This is another typical Caserio FUBAR trading for another former Patriot player who was going to be cut anyways.
frethack
Rookie
The price looks like its a 6th and 7th round pick swap. Not a big deal to get a decent guard. I could feel very differently depending on what the new contract turns out to be (*IF* he is extended).
The back half of this draft is supposedly thin, so swapping late picks may not mean much.
Doing a pick swap where you lose a 6th and get a 7th for a solid player at a position of need is a FUBAR? I’ll have to see the extension we give him but that’s an interesting take with the info we have now
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
If you want to make sure you get a guy, you trade for him - rebuilding 101.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Texian will find fault with every move Carstereo makes
Texian
Hall of Fame
Sounds like Marcus Cannon reasoning.
Yes and once he was cut he could sign ANYWHERE. Are you under some delusion that these players have to sign with the Texans if they are free agents? The Texans are giving up a 6th and getting back a 7th and you are acting like they gave up a 1st rounder.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I guess that means kissing Jake Haener goodbye.
Nah man. Texian is right. Didn't you see the free agent rules for this year? Any Free Agent offered a contract by the Texans must sign with the Texans. They can only sign with other teams if not offered a contract by the Texans. Additionally, before cutting a player any team must consult the Texans to determine if the Texans would like to aquire said player.
Yeah I’ve noticed, I guess some people don’t realize blind hatred is as stupid as blind fandom
michaelm
vox nihili
banned1976
sleeper mode
Porky
Hall of Fame
How many spots back is this after the pick swap? This looks like a no-brainer to me on paper. Someone that is a grizzled vet, but also still young enough to be part of the future at a position where at worst you needed depth? You get a solid vet that's at worst on par with Cann, and arguably a bit better. I'd want to see them side-by-side and also seeking opinions on this. I know Mason but it's not like I watch him weekly.
So what if they planned to release him? Even if it was a 6th outright, to guarantee you get a guy with his resume for a 6th would still be a good trade. That you get something back at all, even a 7th...slam dunk to me unless I'm missing something. This means we have 3 legit guards now. Light a bit of a fire under Green hopefully and provides some insurance. We can take G off the draft list at this point IMHO. Maybe pick up a UDFA to groom but that's about it at G. I wouldn't mind a T late as a developmental type either.
If I am Nick, I am working on extensions for Tunsil and Howard for my bookends. I also now have some depth at G, although no rock stars...should be decent in quality overall. I'm crossing fingers that Green turns into a 1st rd pick but if he doesn't we can play Mason and Cann and be a-ok there.
Only big need left on o-line is Center, which is my #1 want in FA. Hopefully, they are burning up the phone lines trying to land one. Ben Jones redux anyone?
PS - Anyone know his existing contract rate/term?
PPS - Good job Casserio. I praise when warranted, and bash when warranted. This time it's praise. Now get back to getting that C we desperately need!
So what if they planned to release him? Even if it was a 6th outright, to guarantee you get a guy with his resume for a 6th would still be a good trade. That you get something back at all, even a 7th...slam dunk to me unless I'm missing something. This means we have 3 legit guards now. Light a bit of a fire under Green hopefully and provides some insurance. We can take G off the draft list at this point IMHO. Maybe pick up a UDFA to groom but that's about it at G. I wouldn't mind a T late as a developmental type either.
If I am Nick, I am working on extensions for Tunsil and Howard for my bookends. I also now have some depth at G, although no rock stars...should be decent in quality overall. I'm crossing fingers that Green turns into a 1st rd pick but if he doesn't we can play Mason and Cann and be a-ok there.
Only big need left on o-line is Center, which is my #1 want in FA. Hopefully, they are burning up the phone lines trying to land one. Ben Jones redux anyone?
PS - Anyone know his existing contract rate/term?
PPS - Good job Casserio. I praise when warranted, and bash when warranted. This time it's praise. Now get back to getting that C we desperately need!
Texian
Hall of Fame
Mason's salary is $2MM more than Cann's. Cutting Cann creates $2 million in dead cap. This would add $4MM to the salary cap. Mason's pff grade = 68.9 playing for a playoff team and behind Brady. Cann's pff grade is 66.6. Cann's grade is likely higher if playing for Tampa and Mason's grade likely lower playing for the Texans. Is it worth it?
banned1976
sleeper mode
He's 6'1''. Case Keenum is 6'1''. Coincidence? I think not!
zshawn10
All Pro
The guy had 1200 or more snaps played, allowed one sack, and had 2 penalties and he just cost a 6th so yes
zshawn10
All Pro
Shaq Mason
Shaq Mason contract and salary cap details, full contract breakdowns, salaries, signing bonus, roster bonus, dead money, and valuations.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Slightly less enthused if they dump Cann but understandable given cap considerations. Probably an upgrade to Cann, but it doesn't do anything then for depth. I guess they see him as a clear starter and didn't want to pay Cann as a depth piece. So, put G back in the mix - probably late in the draft or they can sign JAG in the FA market at cheap.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Always call it like I see it my friend! I've been so excited over this off-season until yesterday when Nick blunted my offseason buzz.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Number19
Hall of Fame
3 out of his 5 seasons, his season grade was 85, last year being a low point. Should be a significant upgrade over Cann.
This draft is weak at OG. The player I wanted was Voorhees in the third, then he had his ACL injury at the combine. He wouldn't play this year, but if available late, I'd take him, maybe in the 6th.
What do you have against blind people?
Texian
Hall of Fame
Tampa had over 200 more offensive snaps than Houston, Mason played 1200 snaps and Cann played 1005 snaps. Cann was equally as durable as Mason.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Fify.
Only paying a 6th for him is a downright bargain to secure his services.
banned1976
sleeper mode
Has Cann been canned or is it still speculation at this point?
zshawn10
All Pro
Buccaneers trading Shaq Mason to Texans
Mason has one year left on the five-year, $45 million contract he signed with the New England Patriots in 2018.
theathletic.com
Not to mention Cann is about to get cut for Mason
Number19
Hall of Fame
..............A.J. Cann........Shaq Mason
2022......66.6.....................68.9
2021......47.7.....................85.2
2020......69.0.....................85.4
2019......55.3.....................73.0
2018......62.7.....................85.0
The O-line coaches preferred Mason to Cann, so they got him. Mason is a quicker lineman and that is important to this staff.
This is a price (not a huge one) for switching staffs and philosophies on an annual basis. Though it had to be done.
bigbrewster2000
Veteran
Based on your posts about the bears and panthers trade, the Texans traded a 6th for a 4th and a 7th since Shaq Mason was a 4th round pick.
This is actually a home run by Caserio. He apparently just swindled the hell out of Tampa. Thanks for bringing light to the situation.
The Texans should be pleased in picking up one of the more stable guards in terms of pass protection. Mason was above average last season ranking 24th among all guards and 12th among right guards with a 3.3 percent rate, via TruMedia (minimum 200 pass block snaps, the average rate is 4.3 percent). He also only surrendered one sack in 2022.Buccaneers trading Shaq Mason to Texans
Mason has one year left on the five-year, $45 million contract he signed with the New England Patriots in 2018.
How are they coming up with that conclusion? Because Tom Brady was sacked less often than Davis Mills? Surely that doesn't say what they want it to say.
All I'm seeing
2022...... BS QB.......... .Tom Brady
2021...... BS QB.......... . Tom Brady
2020...... BS QB......... . Tom Brady
This is really the only point that matters.
Still, would have been nice to keep Cann on the team, in case of injury.
wildroot
Rookie
Not to mention we had four 6s and two 7s before this trade. I mean does anyone really think all 6 of these picks make the team? At least we traded so we have one that should be on opening day roster.
According to @Texian that was the sack that made Brady retire though.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Exactly.
NFL tried and proven.
The1ApplePie
Hall of Fame
Best move so far.
TB is in fire sale mode after Brady. Wouldn't mind seeing what they are asking for one of their WRs either.
TB is in fire sale mode after Brady. Wouldn't mind seeing what they are asking for one of their WRs either.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
I was just about to mention to not forget about the change in scheme.
Mason could be better here where his size and quickness can be used more.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I hope they keep Cann for depth. He wasn't bad for us last season.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Source: Bucs trade starting RG Mason to Texans
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are trading right guard Shaq Mason to the Houston Texans, a source told ESPN on Tuesday.
www.espn.com
It is a bit more than a wash: younger but not much; from 5 sacks to one if that continues would a primo trade. I'm concerned about his run blocking if we're leaning on that aspect with rookie QB. My first thought was no draft pick for an offensive guard, however releasing a j Cann puts a draft pick back on the board for me.
