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Nick Caserio - New GM

thunderkyss

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Evidently Texans are showing interest in getting Garoppolo signed. It would make sense since Slowick is installing his version of the WCO offense and Garoppolo is there for the taking. This thought just crossed my mind…..what if signing Jimmy G was to help in the development of Mills? Certainly frees up the team to make moves with their RD1 picks.
I'm going to have a hard time rooting for Garoppolo. Too pretty.
 
look at the talent level around Levis compared to the talent level around Young. Levis was basically playing with a team surrounding him that was almost as bad, if not worse, than what the Texans had the last 2 years. He got hurt because the team around him sucked. It happens. Remember David Carr? He got killed behind our chitty Oline. Do you think the Texans will all of a sudden have a top Oline to protect a new QB this year? I don't. That's why I'm not taking any QB in the 1st round this year.
Off topic, but your analogy is why I don't want Jimmy G. He was hurt on a talented 49ers team multiple times, imagine what that would look like here.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
look at the talent level around Levis compared to the talent level around Young. Levis was basically playing with a team surrounding him that was almost as bad, if not worse, than what the Texans had the last 2 years. He got hurt because the team around him sucked. It happens. Remember David Carr? He got killed behind our chitty Oline. Do you think the Texans will all of a sudden have a top Oline to protect a new QB this year? I don't. That's why I'm not taking any QB in the 1st round this year.
OK, you said to compare the talent level around young, but you did not. What was the talent level of his offensive line and wide receivers last year?
Many were griping about his Offensive coordinator in 2022 also.
 

OptimisticTexan

2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Fixing the offense to better Garoppolo’s chances at success and health:

Sign:
OC- Brenden (49’ers)
TE- Aikens (Texans)

Trade:
WR- Cooks to Jets for WR- Mims

Draft:
TE- Washington (Georgia)
OC- Michael-Schmitz (Minnesota)
OT- Wright (Tennessee)
RB- Sean Tucker (Syracuse)
WR- Dell (Houston)

Lineup:
WR- Mims
WR- Collins
SR- Metchie / Dell (R)

LT- Tunsil
LG- Howard
OC- Brendel / Michael-Schmitz (R)
RG- Green
RT- Wright (R)

TE- Washington (R)
TE- Aikens
TE- Quitoriano

RB- Pierce
RB- Tucker (R)

FB- Hairston

QB- Garoppolo
QB- Mills
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
Fixing the offense to better Garoppolo’s chances at success and health:

Sign:
OC- Brenden (49’ers)
TE- Aikens (Texans)

Trade:
WR- Cooks to Jets for WR- Mims

Draft:
TE- Washington (Georgia)
OC- Michael-Schmitz (Minnesota)
OT- Wright (Tennessee)
RB- Sean Tucker (Syracuse)
WR- Dell (Houston)

Lineup:
WR- Mims
WR- Collins
SR- Metchie / Dell (R)

LT- Tunsil
LG- Howard
OC- Brendel / Michael-Schmitz (R)
RG- Green
RT- Wright (R)

TE- Washington (R)
TE- Aikens
TE- Quitoriano

RB- Pierce
RB- Tucker (R)

FB- Hairston

QB- Garoppolo
QB- Mills
Brendels sacks, pressures allowed and penalties do not discourage you?
 

OptimisticTexan

2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Brendels sacks, pressures allowed and penalties do not discourage you?
It does to a certain extent, but I feel like Howard and Green could help, but the key is seeing if Michael-Schmitz could take the job by the start of the season. Brendel is there more as good competition and for his familiarity with the 49’ers ZBS…which Michael-Schmitz would eventually be asked to take the lead. Plus, he’s not going to cost the Texans much money to get him and eventually have him as their OC2.
 

Texansballer74

The Marine
Evidently Texans are showing interest in getting Garoppolo signed. It would make sense since Slowick is installing his version of the WCO offense and Garoppolo is there for the taking. This thought just crossed my mind…..what if signing Jimmy G was to help in the development of Mills? Certainly frees up the team to make moves with their RD1 picks.
Those are just rumors because of the 49ers thingy. They have not came out publicly saying they’re interested in Jimmy injury prone G.
 

Texansballer74

The Marine
Fixing the offense to better Garoppolo’s chances at success and health:

Sign:
OC- Brenden (49’ers)
TE- Aikens (Texans)

Trade:
WR- Cooks to Jets for WR- Mims

Draft:
TE- Washington (Georgia)
OC- Michael-Schmitz (Minnesota)
OT- Wright (Tennessee)
RB- Sean Tucker (Syracuse)
WR- Dell (Houston)

Lineup:
WR- Mims
WR- Collins
SR- Metchie / Dell (R)

LT- Tunsil
LG- Howard
OC- Brendel / Michael-Schmitz (R)
RG- Green
RT- Wright (R)

TE- Washington (R)
TE- Aikens
TE- Quitoriano

RB- Pierce
RB- Tucker (R)

FB- Hairston

QB- Garoppolo
QB- Mills
San Francisco had a darn good line, bad ash running back and some very legit targets around him. And guess what, that did not protect him from getting hurt.
 

vtech9

All Pro
Off topic, but your analogy is why I don't want Jimmy G. He was hurt on a talented 49ers team multiple times, imagine what that would look like here.
We are in complete agreement there. I don't want Mr. Glass here. I'd rather take Hooker in the 3rd, bring in a guy like Minchew, and roll with them and Mills.
 

vtech9

All Pro
OK, you said to compare the talent level around young, but you did not. What was the talent level of his offensive line and wide receivers last year?
Many were griping about his Offensive coordinator in 2022 also.
Are you seriously insinuating that Alabama and Kentucky had a similar level of talent? Alabama may not have been as good as they were in recent years, but they were still miles ahead of Kentucky. Come on man.
 

The Pencil Neck

Hall of Fame
It must be the eyes... or that smile... or that chin... or the hair... or
I mean, seriously, though.

Do we really want the QB that Shanahan has almost gnawed his own arm off trying to get rid of? Demeco seemed to be amenable to JG in one thing I read, and I was on the JG bandwagon back during the OB days, but now? I'm hoping he's not part of our future.
 

Texian

Hall of Fame
Ryan Poles got 3 1s and 2s for the #1 pick

VS

The Browns received the leading passer in the NFL and a 6th RD pick. In return, Nick Caserio received a 2022 first-round pick (No. 13 overall), 2023 and 2024 first-round picks, a 2022 fourth-round choice (No. 107), a third-round pick in 2023 and a fourth-round pick in 2024.

Chicago = 3 1s and 2 2s

Texans = 3 1s, 1 3rd RD and 2 4th RDs (-1 6th RD)

2020 NFL passing stats - Players | NFL.com
 

Lucky

Ride, Captain, Ride!
Staff member
Ryan Poles got 3 1s and 2s for the #1 pick

VS

The Browns received the leading passer in the NFL and a 6th RD pick. In return, Nick Caserio received a 2022 first-round pick (No. 13 overall), 2023 and 2024 first-round picks, a 2022 fourth-round choice (No. 107), a third-round pick in 2023 and a fourth-round pick in 2024.

Chicago = 3 1s and 2 2s

Texans = 3 1s, 1 3rd RD and 2 4th RDs (-1 6th RD)

2020 NFL passing stats - Players | NFL.com
Well, the Browns also had to agree to a record setting contract. And the guy they received had "issues". Not an apples to apples comparison.
 

Khelar

Rookie
Ryan Poles got 3 1s and 2s for the #1 pick

VS

The Browns received the leading passer in the NFL and a 6th RD pick. In return, Nick Caserio received a 2022 first-round pick (No. 13 overall), 2023 and 2024 first-round picks, a 2022 fourth-round choice (No. 107), a third-round pick in 2023 and a fourth-round pick in 2024.

Chicago = 3 1s and 2 2s

Texans = 3 1s, 1 3rd RD and 2 4th RDs (-1 6th RD)

2020 NFL passing stats - Players | NFL.com
Interesting framing. Chicago did not get 3 1’s they got 2 1’s. And one of those was a pick swap so not the same as getting a 1st without a swap. They got one free and clear first round pick, swapped firsts, got 2 2nds, and got a good WR is the correct way to frame it
 

Texian

Hall of Fame
Well, the Browns also had to agree to a record setting contract. And the guy they received had "issues". Not an apples to apples comparison.
That was the Browns' problem, not the Texans. If the Browns were willing to dish out a record contract, they sure as heck would have dished up 2 2s to get the deal done. Not is it only apples to apples, but those apples came from the same tree. Just another situation where the facilitator comes up with the short end of the stick.
 

wildroot

Rookie
Ryan Poles got 3 1s and 2s for the #1 pick

VS

The Browns received the leading passer in the NFL and a 6th RD pick. In return, Nick Caserio received a 2022 first-round pick (No. 13 overall), 2023 and 2024 first-round picks, a 2022 fourth-round choice (No. 107), a third-round pick in 2023 and a fourth-round pick in 2024.

Chicago = 3 1s and 2 2s

Texans = 3 1s, 1 3rd RD and 2 4th RDs (-1 6th RD)

2020 NFL passing stats - Players | NFL.com
How do you figure Chicago got 3 ones out of the deal?
They swapped ones with the Panthers and got an additional one. So Chicago had to move back eight spots in round one this year, and got an additional one next year. Chicago also got two 2nd round picks and a WR.

You can't make stuff up to fit your agenda...

Well, I guess you can.
 
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Texian

Hall of Fame
How do you figure Chicago got 3 ones out of the deal?
They swapped ones with the Panthers and got an additional one. So Chicago had to move back eight spots in round one this year, and got an additional one next year. Chicago also got two 2nd round picks and a WR.

You can't make stuff up to fit your agenda...

Well, I guess you can.
DJ Moore is a first rd draft pick. He counts as a 1st RD pick. Looks like your math fits your agenda. That must be Kool-Aid math. Carry On!
 

Khelar

Rookie
Anyways it’s obviously still very early but this FA period so far is not giving me confidence moving forward.
We have too much cap space to just do bargain bin shopping with backup caliber players.

I’ll put it like this. I don’t hate the signing but if Robert Woods is our biggest FA signing this offseason then he better absolutely nail this draft or I’m out on Nick
 

Porky

Hall of Fame
The bears are signing Tremaine Edmunds. Not to be left behind, Nick is signing Cap'n Crunch to a 5 year deal to be their Lucky Charm.
 

TexansBull

Hall of Fame
Ryan Poles got 3 1s and 2s for the #1 pick

VS

The Browns received the leading passer in the NFL and a 6th RD pick. In return, Nick Caserio received a 2022 first-round pick (No. 13 overall), 2023 and 2024 first-round picks, a 2022 fourth-round choice (No. 107), a third-round pick in 2023 and a fourth-round pick in 2024.

Chicago = 3 1s and 2 2s

Texans = 3 1s, 1 3rd RD and 2 4th RDs (-1 6th RD)

2020 NFL passing stats - Players | NFL.com
The Browns got the previous season’s leading passer. They got a QB that was a year away from the game and also up for a suspension.

They got damaged goods.
 

Porky

Hall of Fame
Not impressed with Caserio and company so far during this free agency.
Big thumbs down so far on these early signings. These early signings are usually the "splash" players and these guys he is signing can be had later on team-friendly deals to simply round out a roster. You do that later and focus on impact signings first. Except Nick is shitting the bed. I'm about ready to kick his ass to the curb.
 

TexanBorn51

Veteran
Big thumbs down so far on these early signings. These early signings are usually the "splash" players and these guys he is signing can be had later on team-friendly deals to simply round out a roster. You do that later and focus on impact signings first. Except Nick is shitting the bed. I'm about ready to kick his ass to the curb.
Hey maybe some of these players you speak of just don't want to come play for the the worse team in the NFL aka Texans js
 

wildroot

Rookie
DJ Moore is a first rd draft pick. He counts as a 1st RD pick. Looks like your math fits your agenda. That must be Kool-Aid math. Carry On!
oh c'mon, please...you're reaching on that one. He was a Panther 1st round pick 5 yrs ago. Who in this NFL would trade a 1st round pick for DJ Moore?!?
We're talking about a 2nd or 3rd for Brandin Cooks, and he's pretty equal to DJ.
Jamarcus Russell was a 1st round pick too. Just because DJ was drafted in the 1st means he's worth a 1st 5 yrs later?!?
Moving on, where's the 3rd one at? Chicago gave up 8 spots in their switching 1st round picks, surely you aren't counting that as a plus/gain as far as Chicago goes?!?

So the 1st round trade, switching 1 for 9 was a loss in value for Chicago, the 1st round in '24 is a gain for Chicago, the DJ deal was maybe equal to a 2nd for Chicago.
So a 1st in '24 and DJ, thats what Chicago got, plus two 2nds.

I'd take the Watson trade in a heartbeat.
 
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Marcus

Windmill cancer survivor
Contributor's Club
oh c'mon, please...you're reaching on that one. He was a Panther 1st round pick 5 yrs ago. Who in this NFL would trade a 1st round pick for DJ Moore?!?
We're talking about a 2nd or 3rd for Brandin Cooks, and he's pretty equal to DJ.
Jamarcus Russell was a 1st round pick too. Just because DJ was drafted in the 1st means he's worth a 1st 5 yrs later?!?
Moving on, where's the 3rd one at? Chicago gave up 8 spots in their switching 1st round picks, surely you aren't counting that as a plus/gain as far as Chicago goes?!?

So the 1st round trade, switching 1 for 9 was a loss in value for Chicago, the 1st round in '24 is a gain for Chicago, the DJ deal was maybe equal to a 2nd for Chicago.
So a 1st in '24 and DJ, thats what Chicago got, plus two 2nds.

I'd take the Watson trade in a heartbeat.
So would I, but you shouldn’t bother.
 

Texian

Hall of Fame
oh c'mon, please...you're reaching on that one. He was a Panther 1st round pick 5 yrs ago. Who in this NFL would trade a 1st round pick for DJ Moore?!?
We're talking about a 2nd or 3rd for Brandin Cooks, and he's pretty equal to DJ.
Jamarcus Russell was a 1st round pick too. Just because DJ was drafted in the 1st means he's worth a 1st 5 yrs later?!?
Moving on, where's the 3rd one at? Chicago gave up 8 spots in their switching 1st round picks, surely you aren't counting that as a plus/gain as far as Chicago goes?!?

So the 1st round trade, switching 1 for 9 was a loss in value for Chicago, the 1st round in '24 is a gain for Chicago, the DJ deal was maybe equal to a 2nd for Chicago.
So a 1st in '24 and DJ, thats what Chicago got, plus two 2nds.

I'd take the Watson trade in a heartbeat.
For starters, Carolina offered a 2025 #1 but Chicago insisted on DJ Moore as part of the deal. Cooks is 4 years older and past his prime. Let's do this so a 3rd grader could understand. What did Chicago get from Carolina in return for the #1 pick? The 9th pick in the 2023 draft, #61 2nd RD in the 2023 draft. A 1st RD pick in the 2024 draft. DJ Moore a 1st RD draft pick, 25 yr old, only just starting his 2nd contract, and a 2nd RD draft pick in the 2025 draft. Now we will go to Ryan Poles, Chicago Bears GM, for the definitive answer on the trade, Poles said he had 3 1st RD draft picks on the table, a 1st RD in 2023, 2024, and 2025.
 

wildroot

Rookie
For starters, Carolina offered a 2025 #1 but Chicago insisted on DJ Moore as part of the deal. Cooks is 4 years older and past his prime. Let's do this so a 3rd grader could understand. What did Chicago get from Carolina in return for the #1 pick? The 9th pick in the 2023 draft, #61 2nd RD in the 2023 draft. A 1st RD pick in the 2024 draft. DJ Moore a 1st RD draft pick, 25 yr old, only just starting his 2nd contract, and a 2nd RD draft pick in the 2025 draft. Now we will go to Ryan Poles, Chicago Bears GM, for the definitive answer on the trade, Poles said he had 3 1st RD draft picks on the table, a 1st RD in 2023, 2024, and 2025.
What he had on the table and what he got are two different things.
Chicago didn't get 3 first round picks in the trade. Houston got 3 first round pick in their trade. We got Cleveland's 3 first round picks, we kept our pick where they were and in addition received 3 new 1st round picks. You are counting a pick that was switched as if it's a new pick, a gain in the draft. If fact they stepped back 8 spot in the switch.
You've counted (so a 3rd grader can understand) the pick that Chicago moved back 8 picks for, the one they received from the Panthers for the #1 pick
as if it's a brand new pick, like they added an additional 1st round pick. It's not an additional pick like the three Houston got, Chicago flipped this years 1.1 pick
and they got the 1.9 pick, a much lesser pick in return for the 1st round pick they gave up. So those two picks were switched, NOT a net gain for Chicago, nothing to brag about.
So a 3rd grader can understand, NOW Chicago got the Panther's 1st round pick in 2024, which is a net gain. It's not a pick switch, it's the Panther's 1st round pick they get with no strings attached. On top of that they get the WR and 2 2nd rounders.
But they only came out of the trade with ONE (1) new 1st round pick from the panthers, and that is 2024's 1st round pick.
If you can't understand that, someone else will have to explain it to you.
 

Texian

Hall of Fame
Apparently real math is making a player equal to a draft pick. I get the idea he’s going for and I don’t disagree but calling it “kool aid math” when you are making it up yourself is pretty funny
Because you are new, I will take this time to bring you up to speed. Nick Caserio was Bill Belichick's step and fetch it. To be more precise he was a Belichick admin and facilitator. Caserio and all of the other failed Belichick admins and facilitators who have failed were never schooled in salary cap management, contracts, and being a GM. That's why they've all failed. The 10 years Caserio was setting the draft table for Belichick was the worst performing 10 years under Belichick according to Bob Kraft.

Caserio wakes up every morning smiling knowing he has a guaranteed $30MM in the bank.

The Texans had the first HC opening and were the last to fill. Caserio's first decision, David Culley.

One of the first things Caserio did as Texans GM was to create $25MM in DEAD MONEY.

The result of taking a hatchet to the roster without thinking it through created not having enough money to fill out the 2021 roster.

In order to create enough money (restructuring every contract that could be restructured) Caserio had to borrow over $30MM from 2022 and 2023 to sign enough players to complete the 2021 roster.

He compounded the money mismanagement by signing players like David Johnson to $5MM contract.

In order to sign enough players, Caserio had to sign players at the end of their careers (looking for another NFL paycheck) to 1 and 2 year contracts to have enough money for a 53 man roster.

In essence he shuffled the chairs on the Titanic and it cost him $55MM to do it. $25MM in dead money and $30MM in restructuring.

In the process of all of this Caserio used draft picks to trade for four players that were cut. Players who would've been cut by the previous teams.

He started the draft with 8 picks and used an additional 2 picks from 2022 to draft 5 players.

As a result of Caserio's 2021 decisions, he has also created $8MM in Dead Money in 2022. The 2022 salary cap is also $12MM less from 2021 restructuring. When you factor in additional dead money needed to trade Watson, cut Cunningham and Mercilus that's another $36MM subtracted from 2022 cap.

The 2022 salary cap begins with $56MM less than the full amount because of Caserio decisions.

The 2022 roster begins with 25 signed players. The projected Texans salary cap space to begin 2022 is $12MM. That's $12MM to sign 28 players to fill a 53 man roster.

Now I ask you, what makes you think that Caserio will be any different in 2022 than he was in 2021 when Nick has already said they plan to stay the course and keep doing what they have been doing?

IMO I think you can expect more of the same. Nick being Nick. Filling the 2022 roster will be more difficult and more expensive than the 2021 roster.

Texans started 2021 season with 54 contracts and $6MM OVER the cap.

If the Texans had made the following moves they would've been $48MM UNDER the cap. They would not of had to resort to mortgaging the future to the tune of OVER $35MM in contract restructuring, $37MM in Dead Cap in 2021 and would've added a 2nd rd draft pick.
B. McKinneyRelease$7.00m
D. JohnsonRelease$6.90m
Z. FultonRelease$3.00m
Du. JohnsonRelease$5.15m
B. DunnRelease$3.25m
B. CooksTrade$12.00m
J. WattRelease$17.50m
Total Saved$54.80m

I do not hate Nick Caserio but I don't have much respect for the job he is doing as the GM of the Houston Texans.
 
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wildroot

Rookie
The 10 years Caserio was setting the draft table for Belichick was the worst performing 10 years under Belichick according to Bob Kraft.
I'm guessing this is you saying this? or link?

I'll have to assume that some of what you're saying above is true, but probably SOP for most other GMs as well. We've been seeing teams trying to cut their payroll in the last few weeks by releasing players, some are pricy players...you don't think they're taking cap hits for those?
 

Porky

Hall of Fame
More uninformed opinion from the chief cheerleader of the Caserio haters club.
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Is he wrong? Who has Nick signed as a FA that is an ascending player signed to a longer-term deal, and who you see in the plans in 2025?

Let's see, so far we have every single aging vet, or never has been younger guys signing here on 1 or 2 year deals. Every single one of them.

This is your idea of a prudent FA period? I know it's not over yet, but all the decent centers are now gone. And because he's spending nickels and dimes on short-term rentals, he won't have the money to compete with the big boys on most of younger tier 2 or 3 guys. I wasn't even asking for any tier 1 guys.

Would you rather have 3 gold rings at $500 ea, or 15 gold plated rings at $100 each - those ones where the gold wears off in a year. That's what Nick is doing, whereas I wanted a couple of real difference makers. I can round out the bottom of the roster later in the FA bargain bin, UDFA's etc. Right now, he should have been focused on actual difference-makers.

He has the 3rd most cap space and he's acting like a scared chicken in the middle of a pit bull ring. He needs to man up, and man up quick.
 

Texansphan

Football connoisseur
Is he wrong? Who has Nick signed as a FA that is an ascending player signed to a longer-term deal, and who you see in the plans in 2025?

Let's see, so far we have every single aging vet, or never has been younger guys signing here on 1 or 2 year deals. Every single one of them.

This is your idea of a prudent FA period? I know it's not over yet, but all the decent centers are now gone. And because he's spending nickels and dimes on short-term rentals, he won't have the money to compete with the big boys on most of younger tier 2 or 3 guys. I wasn't even asking for any tier 1 guys.

Would you rather have 3 gold rings at $500 ea, or 15 gold plated rings at $100 each - those ones where the gold wears off in a year. That's what Nick is doing, whereas I wanted a couple of real difference makers. I can round out the bottom of the roster later in the FA bargain bin, UDFA's etc. Right now, he should have been focused on actual difference-makers.

He has the 3rd most cap space and he's acting like a scared chicken in the middle of a pit bull ring. He needs to man up, and man up quick.
To me, he doesn't have to be "ascending". And what does that mean on a new team?
The way I look at it, Texans FO is trying to improve this team and justify their contracts - and proven NFL players logically must be better than an unproven rookie.
 
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