leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Nah, Young is much more talented.
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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION
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leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
So you're saying none of the nfl wrs aren't talented?
BullRushTX
To'oTo'o A'go-go
What?
Porky
Hall of Fame
you are telli g me an apple and a pear are the same because they are both fruits. Ita only simpletons that look at the basics and make a highly subjetive conclusion based on ine data set. Thank God that Nick and DeMeco are smarter than this. Not saying they wont pass on Young but if they do his size wouldnt be the only data point they look at.
Since I am 100% on the DeMeco train, I am onboard either way but lets at least try to have some subjective opinion backed by substance.
I'm saying that no QB this size has ever won a championship and I think it would be foolish to spend 1-2 on a guy like this and hope he's the gonna be the 1st to do this. It really makes me wonder about people.
Is picking Young being smarter knowing this, or is it being dumber? I'm going with dumber.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Texan Asylum
Hall of Fame
Good point, as I believe we need to focus on the OL and DL as well as other positions besides QB before we address that position with a valuable low round(s) draft pick.
That being said…I’m comfortable going with what DR, NC, and company consider the best route to go. I gotta trust them on it.
Texansballer74
The Marine
People on here act like Stroud is the only player in this draft who played with elite talent around him.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Every qb needs a high level of talent to suceed in the nfl, especially young qbs. Did anyone have the same questions about Burrough when he had an all star cast at LSU? I mean Jalen Hurts is having an awesome season this year, but how did he look minus Brown and Smith? Kelce and Hill were probowlers before Mahomes got there, but his talent took them up another level. Stroud is no different, but through team evals, they need to know if he can be someone who can carry an offense even when everything isn't perfect. That's true about any qb really.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Say it again for people in the back
TexanBorn51
All Pro
How about Joe Montana 49ers(balloon I thought about it) his size was around there in Young sizes? Speaking from an open QB for any of them imo the team needs many needs on both size. The quandrum is put an excellent QB in a team like that or use a very good QB surrounded by a great team. Besides I think a QB first round pick success can be dismal especially entering a not so good team. BUt with 12 picks the good QB ones in first 3 rounds. I'm sure if you beef up the O and D positions surrounding any QB then that present QB will improve then you have a very good winning team. Regardless my prediction is the Texans will draft a QB.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Patrick Mahomas had top level talent when he was at Texas Tech. I didn’t here anyone using that excuse not to draft him. Lol
BullRushTX
To'oTo'o A'go-go
Yes. He was a "one year wonder" who was on a team with elite talent. He worked out. Good for him and the Bengals.
Therein lies the question. Is he a pretty good QB who benefited from being surrounded by elite talent or a great QB who elevates the talent around him?
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Exactly the point I have been making.
Will be interesting to look at his calls and directions under center and in the huddle.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
I'm not sure I totally understand what you're saying but...
Any measurement for a player before the combine has to be viewed with suspicion, but Montana's height is generally given as 6' 2" 200lbs. If Young were 6' 2", there would be no debate.
I don't see a reason for comparison for Young and Montana.
Montana was drafted in the 3rd round. He wasn't considered all that talented a guy (although after watching him eviscerate the Coogs in a bowl game, I would have drafted him a lot earlier). He started one game his rookie season and a few games his second season before blossoming the third season but QBs were expected to take longer to be developed back then. Young is going to be expected to come in and excel or at least show a TON of promise his first two seasons.
At this point, I'm staying out of this debate in general until I see some actual measurements. But I'm kinda in the SteelB camp when it comes to height. There are a range of heights for successful QBs and if there's a prospect who is outside that range (either too tall or too short), I'm going to be skeptical about that guy's ability to take us to the promised land.
I keep asking you where your franchise QB is going to come from and you never had a good answer.
The Texans won't be able to draft the two guys you want next year.
There will be teams tanking next year, none of them named Texans.
Any QB this size that was as highly regarded as Young?
I'm not even saying that I'm 100% on board with Young. I'm still looking at more data and I still need to rewatch more games, but at least he has to be considered as a great QB prospect.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
I hope so. Not thinking the Texans will take him anyway. However, if even a chance, let someone trade up please
People saying that Johnny was an RPO made QB...ok. How about Murray? Seeing all of the shorter QBs drafted high seem to flounder in the NFL. Very few exceptions. And before anyone says Wilson, shorter, yes, but he is thickly built
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Great question and that's why the draft is the draft. Nobody knows. I remember seeing Jerry Rice in college and they couldn't decipher if it was him or James Satelite Totum. Turns out, it was Rice who was the dude. Enough that Walsh traded up to get him from an hbcu.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
I have seen scouting reports that say just the opposite. And that he is worse if he doesn't have a clear pocket. I have seen it worse last year than this year. But, the ability to read a D, poor throws under pressure, foot work breaks down under pressure, poor deep passes...it's still there. I don’t think he is a scrub. However, I think he has maxed his ability and will not be a great NFL player. Here are the things he needed to fix coming into the 2022 season. Be honest about it and watch some games. You can see every single one of the issues this year.
TexanBorn51
All Pro
I was listening to some sports YT show that mentioned so I passed it on. Thanks for clearing it up. I did leave it as question mark just asking. It was intended that size is only small part of the post.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Today, Young might be rated 1st of the QBs. By the time the combine he is going to be 3 perhaps 4. With arm talent and physical abilities and size it will be
1- Levis, athleticism from another planet. Arm strength is crazy, speed, reading Ds... Kid is going to light up the combine.
2-3 (depends) Richardson, similar to Levis but due to not putting it all together this past season he could end up 3rd.
2-3 (depends how good OR bad Richardson looks)Stroud, he will be near Levis for the most part. The only problem is if Richardson actually shows up and goes through everything amazingly.
3-4- Young, he will do well on short pass drills. His lack of arm strength, true athleticism compared to the 3 above and height, weight and arm strength will lower his stock.
I think if a team isn't either in dire need or takes a flyer out of pure "must have" as we see every year over someone, that a D player is going 1st overall, and 2nd IF we keep our 2nd pick could very well be DL. If not DL, I see Stroud as our pick. Again if I am wrong I will admit that.
1- Levis, athleticism from another planet. Arm strength is crazy, speed, reading Ds... Kid is going to light up the combine.
2-3 (depends) Richardson, similar to Levis but due to not putting it all together this past season he could end up 3rd.
2-3 (depends how good OR bad Richardson looks)Stroud, he will be near Levis for the most part. The only problem is if Richardson actually shows up and goes through everything amazingly.
3-4- Young, he will do well on short pass drills. His lack of arm strength, true athleticism compared to the 3 above and height, weight and arm strength will lower his stock.
I think if a team isn't either in dire need or takes a flyer out of pure "must have" as we see every year over someone, that a D player is going 1st overall, and 2nd IF we keep our 2nd pick could very well be DL. If not DL, I see Stroud as our pick. Again if I am wrong I will admit that.
You see what you want to see
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
One thing to consider about Bryce Young is that the offense did not have the quality players of previous years.
www.nfldraftbuzz.com
Besides one RB, the next guy is a TE projected to go in the fourth round, then an OG in the 5th round and an OT in the 7th round.
Much less talents than what Mac Jones had to work with.
Much less than what Stroud had to work with.
www.nfldraftbuzz.com
(the RT, Dawand Jones, I think will go higher than 48.)
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Besides one RB, the next guy is a TE projected to go in the fourth round, then an OG in the 5th round and an OT in the 7th round.
Much less talents than what Mac Jones had to work with.
Much less than what Stroud had to work with.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
He had to last season. The season before that when he had weapons, he didn’t do it as much.
Just shows he’s diversified.
The quarterbacks in the super bowl goes off script more than most quarterbacks in the NFL.
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I see. I really didn’t look at last years, but I think I would be fine with whoever the new OC wants to go with.
Burrow was actually pretty good the yr before at LSU but was drug down Les Miles offense. Once Oregeron brought in Brady to run his offense Burrow became Joe Cool, but the talent was always there for all to see. He threw with accuracy and anticipation even in Miles crappy old offense.
There are 3 or 4 guys I like better than any QB in this draft. You think the Texans are going to be good enough that they wont be able to draft any of them? How many wins do you see the Texans getting next yr?
Oh so now you increase the number of QBs that you like in 2024.
Who are they?
The question is how many wins you think the Texans may have next year.
You're proposing that the Texans hold off on drafting a QB.
Are you going to advise them to lose games so they can draft a QB that you like?
Forget about baseball. It's not the NFL.
You're the one who thinks the Texans should wait until next year to draft a franchise QB.
I think you should name him and at the approximate spot where they can land him.
BullRushTX
To'oTo'o A'go-go
If a QB can't throw the ball 70 yards from his knees, can you even call him a quarterback?
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Right! How long would our Oline hold up to allow a receiver to get that far downfield?
BullRushTX
To'oTo'o A'go-go
God help me, I'm going to trust the process this year. If they decide to pass on a QB in the early rounds because they don't think they're worth it, so be it. With the right free agents and draft picks, I can see them getting 6-8 wins next season.
Draft Young at 1.2
Bijon at 1.12
I can get behind that
Bijon at 1.12
I can get behind that
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I can too.
You see, there's the thing - with Bijon, you get 2 birds with one stone - RB and receiver. I believe he is an okay blocker too and you get the most talented QB in the class.
ghostlight
Veteran
Bison won't be there at 12
I agree physically Murray is better but imo its between the ears where Young is better. I think he’s a smarter player and hasn’t shown any diva tendencies. In the games Ive watched this Ive never seen Young get on a teammate, I’ve seen him take responsibility for bad throws and when he’s been knocked on his butt I’ve seen him pop and encourage his OL. I do Young has high talent and a lot of potential. I just worry about injuries due to size
Who do you have as better? I’ve got Carter and Anderson as basically 1a and 1b. Who’s the 3rd and 4th?
As of right now the 2024 QB class that I like better consists of
Williams
Maye
McCarthy
Nix
Penix
Sleeper Ewers.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Since Cal and Caserio would be relegated to fetching Ryans coffee in the War Room…..my guess is Ryans would prioritize defense before making moves on offense. He could be quite fine on having Jimmy G signed to add a veteran to his QB room and compete with Mills. Remember, Caserio and Cal’s job, strictly to make sure Ryans coffee is hot…..other than that, they’re both to be seen but not heard.
I believe that’s how some have alluded to Caserio’s position with the team.
I believe that’s how some have alluded to Caserio’s position with the team.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
A QB named Penix. There's a lot of joke material there....
We should draft Hooker this year and Penix next year.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I used to know a guy whose name was Aenis.
Needless to say he preferred his middle name.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
I've always liked QBs who are cocky, but this is going too far.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
We should draft Hooker this year and Penix next year.
I’d be really good with Garoppolo (Veteran QB1), Mills (Roster QB2), and Hooker (Drafted in RD3 and enters late 2023 QB1 or QB2….or 2024 QB1). Hooker would either have a +-6 game 2023 or a full 2024, but the bottom line in this situation….he’d have real development time before he had to take the field.
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SnakeEyes
Under NRG
13 players in the draft from Ohio State
5 players from Kentucky
14 players from Alabama
So, what this shows is that Levis did the most with the least last year. Stroud and Young have about as many. Plus, they are pretty 50/50 on offense and defense of players entering the draft.
Just a quick example of who had NFL caliber players to work with.
5 players from Kentucky
14 players from Alabama
So, what this shows is that Levis did the most with the least last year. Stroud and Young have about as many. Plus, they are pretty 50/50 on offense and defense of players entering the draft.
Just a quick example of who had NFL caliber players to work with.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Meco and Caserio are supposed to be working well together. And with draft picks, they are making a board with what players BOTH feel will help the team.