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2023 TEXANS DRAFT DISCUSSION

So if he draft a quarterback first(2) DL with the second pick (12), WR third (33), ( third round) DL fourth and then OL fifth. Does that mean he isn’t building from the inside out?
All because a player played with elite talent, gets a no thanks? Well we shouldn’t be drafting any player from Georgia, Alabama or any other top colleges.

Man I really do not understand the mindset of some posters.
Isn’t that the beauty of this message board though, differing opinions?

Wouldn’t bother me a bit if they drafted the BEST 3 Olinemen on the board with the first three picks. Never happen but this team has crap right now. Pitre, Stingley, Harris, Tunsil, Pierce, Greene (holding out hope) Collins annd maybe Howard 🤞🏼are the only good building block talents on this team.

My point was, look at the Niners. Both lines were damn good. Let’s start there and then get the QB. Still think Young is too small. I said no thanks to Young, read it again.
 
Isn’t that the beauty of this message board though, differing opinions?

Wouldn’t bother me a bit if they drafted the BEST 3 Olinemen on the board with the first three picks. Never happen but this team has crap right now. Pitre, Stingley, Harris, Tunsil, Pierce, Greene (holding out hope) Collins 🤞🏼

My point was, look at the Niners. Both lines were damn good. Let’s start there and then get the QB. Still think Young is too small. I said no thanks to Young, read it again.
Why y’all play this opinion crap on here. As soon as someone disagrees with y’all take, it’s my opinion.
Not wanting a player because he played with elite talent just doesn’t make any freaking sense whatsoever. What do you think Carter and Anderson played with? That’s right elite talent and on elite programs.

And this team already have a bunch of top draft picks on that offensive line. They are not about to draft olinemen like that. Now they might add a few. They will need a center.

I surely hope Ryan’s doesn’t think a player shouldn’t be drafted because of the talent he played with.
 
Why y’all play this opinion crap on here. As soon as someone disagrees with y’all take, it’s my opinion.
Not wanting a player because he played with elite talent just doesn’t make any freaking sense whatsoever. What do you think Carter and Anderson played with? That’s right elite talent and on elite programs.

And this team already have a bunch of top draft picks on that offensive line. They are not about to draft olinemen like that. Now they might add a few. They will need a center.

I surely hope Ryan’s doesn’t think a player shouldn’t be drafted because of the talent he played with.
Easy my man.
I guess it’s hard to comprehend and/or get one point across via message board. I’ll try and do better.
 
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I'd go Edge, IDL and linebacker with the first three picks. I think they can get a good WR in the 3rd round. They could get a quarterback later in the draft. Purdy was the last player picked in 22 draft. And we know where Brady was picked. And then they have a lot of picks in 2024.

The best talent in this draft, IMHO, is the front seven. The Texans need help there as much as anywhere else. Because that was the first area O'Brien started neglecting. They've drafted 2 LB's in four years, a 3rd rounder and a 5th.
 
I'd never draft this guy at 2. You've never convincing me this guy is worth a 2 overall. Top 5, I'm looking for true game-changing impact players and really at only a few positions - QB, WR, LT, or Pass Rusher (LB or DL)...and maybe CB in a special case. No Space Eating guy in the middle that isn't ever going to be a pass-rushing demon. No way, no how. I'm not sold on him even in the top 15. I don't like him until the back half of the first round at best. For me, I wouldn't take him until 33. I think he is an above-average, but not great player and will never live up to a guy you want at 1.2. For me, that would be another Caserio epic mistake. Carry on.
Not saying Carter is, but you wouldn't draft Aaron Donald at #2?
 
I'd never draft this guy at 2. You've never convincing me this guy is worth a 2 overall. Top 5, I'm looking for true game-changing impact players and really at only a few positions - QB, WR, LT, or Pass Rusher (LB or DL)...and maybe CB in a special case. No Space Eating guy in the middle that isn't ever going to be a pass-rushing demon. No way, no how. I'm not sold on him even in the top 15. I don't like him until the back half of the first round at best. For me, I wouldn't take him until 33. I think he is an above-average, but not great player and will never live up to a guy you want at 1.2. For me, that would be another Caserio epic mistake. Carry on.
I think I can speak for @Texian and others. You'll never convince me that Young is worth the #2 overall.
 
I have watched several Jalen Carter games. It is not uncommon to see him line up in the 0 position, the A gap, the B gap, the 1, 3 and 5 technique. Regardless, in most situations, offenses double-team Carter most of the time. The way he can throw OGs and OTs aside with one arm, line him up as a DE and I can see shades of Reggie White.





I would not say that anyone compares to Reggie White before they play in the NFL for awhile. However, the kid is a beast. Coached well and used well and he is going to be another JJ or Donald type for sure. A total game changer in other words
 
I think I can speak for @Texian and others. You'll never convince me that Young is worth the #2 overall.

Not at all. After watching a few games from the past 2 years and scouting reports. I see his flaws and I don't think he has fixed them 100% either. And factor in his lack of size and tiny structure in a league with huge men trying to kill you. Under NFL pressure, without a good OL....he is not going to last long.
 
Reggie White comp to Jalen Carter. Now I’ve read everything.

I would not say that anyone compares to Reggie White before they play in the NFL for awhile. However, the kid is a beast. Coached well and used well and he is going to be another JJ or Donald type for sure. A total game changer in other words
Why I said, shades of. His ability to throw OGs and OTs to the ground with one arm is what reminded me of White. You don't see that very often.
 
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My comp (play style) for Jalen Carter is Ndamukong Suh. Selected #2 overall by Detroit in 2010. He’s still playing. In the Super Bowl. Might of even had a sack in Conference Championship (thought I saw him flash) for Eagles.

However from a positional value standpoint DT does not override franchise QB.
 
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My comp (play style) for Jalen Carter is Ndamukong Suh. Selected #2 overall by Detroit in 2010. He’s still playing. In the Super Bowl. Might of even had a sack in Conference Championship (thought I saw him flash) for Eagles.

However from a positional value standpoint DT does not override a franchise QB.
So, are you saying we should draft Jalen Carter with the #2? Since there isn't a franchise QB at the top of this draft, that must be what you are saying. Right on.
 
I don't get the aversion to Stroud.
The main excuse I see is that he had a good team around him, but what if he made them better and they fed off each other? Teams usually go the way of their QB - that being said, what happened to Alabama? Top flight coach and SEC quality guys around their QB yet they didn't enjoy the success of OS!
Sure Stroud may not have the same quality by comparison given the tougher NFL competition, but you can still give him some weapons.
The main point is, and everyone needs to remember this, he will be a rookie and they usually have a steep learning curve and take time to adjust. Add to that, how many teams expect to go to the SB with a rookie? Look at Lawrence - looked mediocre his rookie season but going forward, is going to be decent.
If you don't try, you will never hit on one and next year's crop of QBs is not a given.
We will look pretty silly if Stroud or Young look to have potential on another team - like Colts for example.
Actually, the main complaint is that he was pretty bad when pressured, ranking 133rd I believe in FCS rankings this year. That's a pretty big red flag.
 
I don't get the aversion to Stroud.
The main excuse I see is that he had a good team around him, but what if he made them better and they fed off each other? Teams usually go the way of their QB - that being said, what happened to Alabama? Top flight coach and SEC quality guys around their QB yet they didn't enjoy the success of OS!
Sure Stroud may not have the same quality by comparison given the tougher NFL competition, but you can still give him some weapons.
The main point is, and everyone needs to remember this, he will be a rookie and they usually have a steep learning curve and take time to adjust. Add to that, how many teams expect to go to the SB with a rookie? Look at Lawrence - looked mediocre his rookie season but going forward, is going to be decent.
If you don't try, you will never hit on one and next year's crop of QBs is not a given.
We will look pretty silly if Stroud or Young look to have potential on another team - like Colts for example.
I hope this answers your query. Massive disparity between Stroud's performance without pressure vs. under pressure. So all those pretty little highlights you see on ESPN look great, but not consistent.

 
Isn’t that the beauty of this message board though, differing opinions?

Wouldn’t bother me a bit if they drafted the BEST 3 Olinemen on the board with the first three picks. Never happen but this team has crap right now. Pitre, Stingley, Harris, Tunsil, Pierce, Greene (holding out hope) Collins annd maybe Howard 🤞🏼are the only good building block talents on this team.

My point was, look at the Niners. Both lines were damn good. Let’s start there and then get the QB. Still think Young is too small. I said no thanks to Young, read it again.
Draft 3 lineman with the first three picks, which means 2 firsts and the second round picks while we already have 3 first round picks
on our OLine. I dunno which one of those guys (Tunsil, Green, Howard) do you think should be the bench-warmer to make room for the 2023 Oline draftees ?
 
I would not say that anyone compares to Reggie White before they play in the NFL for awhile. However, the kid is a beast. Coached well and used well and he is going to be another JJ or Donald type for sure. A total game changer in other words
Not sure anybody will ever compare to Reggie White. The best defensive player I ever saw.
 
Isn’t that the beauty of this message board though, differing opinions?

Wouldn’t bother me a bit if they drafted the BEST 3 Olinemen on the board with the first three picks. Never happen but this team has crap right now. Pitre, Stingley, Harris, Tunsil, Pierce, Greene (holding out hope) Collins annd maybe Howard 🤞🏼are the only good building block talents on this team.

My point was, look at the Niners. Both lines were damn good. Let’s start there and then get the QB. Still think Young is too small. I said no thanks to Young, read it again.

wouldnt mind working on both lines and mills is penciled in has the starter IMO
 
I'd go Edge, IDL and linebacker with the first three picks. I think they can get a good WR in the 3rd round. They could get a quarterback later in the draft. Purdy was the last player picked in 22 draft. And we know where Brady was picked. And then they have a lot of picks in 2024.

The best talent in this draft, IMHO, is the front seven. The Texans need help there as much as anywhere else. Because that was the first area O'Brien started neglecting. They've drafted 2 LB's in four years, a 3rd rounder and a 5th.

yeah these days most teams should be playing a 4-2 with a mixture of 3 saftey hybrids and 3 DB
 
I hope this answers your query. Massive disparity between Stroud's performance without pressure vs. under pressure. So all those pretty little highlights you see on ESPN look great, but not consistent.

Stroud played well against Georgia throwing 4 TD passes and no ints.
What does that do to the narrative?
Keep in mind too that plenty of QBs in the NFL are not the best under pressure.
 
That's fine if you like Sanders, but he should be available mid 2nd
I think most have him going in the 25-30 range.

I've got him ranked much higher than this.

This yr my rankings are much different than the draftniks.

1st rd off of the top of my head are Hyatt/Sanders/Musgrave/Schmitz. If any of these guys were picked at 1-12 I would be very happy. Most sites have these guys as 2nd rd picks.

There's a lot of value in the 2nd rd of this draft. If I was going to add weapons for Young I would hope to be able to trade down from 1-12 to say 1-22 and pickup an extra 2nd rd pick. Then trade Cooks and 3-73 for a 2nd.

My picks would look like this

Hyatt
Musgrave
Sanders
Schmitz
 
Stroud played well against Georgia throwing 4 TD passes and no ints.
What does that do to the narrative?
Keep in mind too that plenty of QBs in the NFL are not the best under pressure.
Pretty sure the balance of a season vastly trumps the balance of playing well in one game. And last season was the same dynamic for Stroud also. Watch the video: Stroud had the widest variance of anyone in FCS with/without pressure. That's a big red flag.

If we want a pocket QB to throw pretty little passes in a clean pocket, we already have Mills that can do that. Pick's got to be Young if we roll the dice with a guy who can operate out of structure.... Perhaps better yet, avoid a high lottery QB this year and take some high-upside guy if he drops to us.
 
Not at all. After watching a few games from the past 2 years and scouting reports. I see his flaws and I don't think he has fixed them 100% either. And factor in his lack of size and tiny structure in a league with huge men trying to kill you. Under NFL pressure, without a good OL....he is not going to last long.

Worth asking....has anyone contemplating the desire to draft Young taken into consideration that his hands may could be small as well? How would folks feel if his hands measure between 8.50" or 8.90"?
 
Why I said, shades of. His ability to throw OGs and OTs to the ground with one arm is what reminded me of White. You don't see that very often.

Oh I agree that he has inhuman strength and his speed at his size is freakish. I just know how good Reggie White was and I can't put his name with anyone unless they have at the very least played a few seasons. JJ and Donald are more recent, and likely more have seen them play. So to say the way JJ just shrugged off an OT on the way to a sack fits in better to me. Not saying you're incorrect, just Reggie was in a separate class from basically almost any pass rusher...that I ever saw at least. Was he better than JJ, that is a debate for people on a pay grade much higher than ours.
 
Worth asking....has anyone contemplating the desire to draft Young taken into consideration that his hands may could be small as well? How would folks feel if his hands measure between 8.50" or 8.90"?

I have not brought that up, but you are right. I'm 6' and my hands could be bigger than his. I looked for his hand size and right now all I have found is "not ideal". Which means that if his hand size is on file nobody has put it in public yet. Probably have to wait until the combine to find out. A VERY valid point you brought up about this however.

According to the NFL method I found mine are 8.82... Which I can honestly say is not very big. It's a reason I switched to DB in 10th grade. My hand was a liability in case of a big hit because it was not gripping the ball over enough surface.

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Worth asking....has anyone contemplating the desire to draft Young taken into consideration that his hands may could be small as well? How would folks feel if his hands measure between 8.50" or 8.90"?
I would feel the same as I do now. Nothing has changed, marketing always has and will come 1st.
 
Stroud played well against Georgia throwing 4 TD passes and no ints.
What does that do to the narrative?
Keep in mind too that plenty of QBs in the NFL are not the best under pressure.

It's not a narrative.
He played great against Georgia.
But statistically he was extremely poor when under pressure throughout his career.

You decide how much weight to give one great game, compared to career statistics.
 
Pretty sure the balance of a season vastly trumps the balance of playing well in one game. And last season was the same dynamic for Stroud also. Watch the video: Stroud had the widest variance of anyone in FCS with/without pressure. That's a big red flag.

If we want a pocket QB to throw pretty little passes in a clean pocket, we already have Mills that can do that. Pick's got to be Young if we roll the dice with a guy who can operate out of structure.... Perhaps better yet, avoid a high lottery QB this year and take some high-upside guy if he drops to us.


Stroud carried OU in his final game. He had the will, desire, moxie and ability to make plays when most could not. He really came into his own
 
It's not a narrative.
He played great against Georgia.
But statistically he was extremely poor when under pressure throughout his career.

You decide how much weight to give one great game, compared to career statistics.
What's that old saying - you're only as good you're last game...?
Don't forget, he did that against the best defense in college football.
I'm just playing devil's advocate here.
 
Stroud carried OU in his final game. He had the will, desire, moxie and ability to make plays when most could not. He really came into his own

Did he actually come into his own?
Or did he provide one great sample in the set of other data, but it just happened to be the most recent?
I don't think we can answer that question until we see more up to date data.
Unfortunately, a team will have to risk a draft pick to get that data
 
What's that old saying - you're only as good you're last game...?
Don't forget, he did that against the best defense in college football.
I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

I think that saying is more applicable to a player trying to keep his job vs trying to prove he's worthy of winning a job.
But as I said, we'll all have to weigh that one game against his previous games according to our own weighting system.
 
Worth asking....has anyone contemplating the desire to draft Young taken into consideration that his hands may could be small as well? How would folks feel if his hands measure between 8.50" or 8.90"?
When breaking down passing into three categories; short passing, medium passing and long passing; and when comparing the two top qb's from this year, Young and Stroud, and the two top qb's from the 2024 class, Williams and Maye; NFL Draft Buzz has Young rated as the top short passer at 89%, the top medium passer at 97% and tied for top long passer at 97%.

I'd guess that hands aren't a problem.

What is more significant however is asking how well these four qb's are a fit for the WCO, which is a fast paced offense relying on short and quick throws emphasizing horizontal routes, requiring a qb who can quickly process what the defense is doing and making quick decisions which of his five receivers to throw to.

Of these four qb's, Young is noted for his high football IQ and his fast processing.
 
When breaking down passing into three categories; short passing, medium passing and long passing; and when comparing the two top qb's from this year, Young and Stroud, and the two top qb's from the 2024 class, Williams and Maye; NFL Draft Buzz has Young rated as the top short passer at 89%, the top medium passer at 97% and tied for top long passer at 97%.

I'd guess that hands aren't a problem.

What is more significant however is asking how well these four qb's are a fit for the WCO, which is a fast paced offense relying on short and quick throws emphasizing horizontal routes, requiring a qb who can quickly process what the defense is doing and making quick decisions which of his five receivers to throw to.

Of these four qb's, Young is noted for his high football IQ and his fast processing.
So you're hoping he's a unicorn?
 
When breaking down passing into three categories; short passing, medium passing and long passing; and when comparing the two top qb's from this year, Young and Stroud, and the two top qb's from the 2024 class, Williams and Maye; NFL Draft Buzz has Young rated as the top short passer at 89%, the top medium passer at 97% and tied for top long passer at 97%.

I'd guess that hands aren't a problem.

What is more significant however is asking how well these four qb's are a fit for the WCO, which is a fast paced offense relying on short and quick throws emphasizing horizontal routes, requiring a qb who can quickly process what the defense is doing and making quick decisions which of his five receivers to throw to.

Of these four qb's, Young is noted for his high football IQ and his fast processing.
Whoever the Texans draft, that rookie will have a learning curve adjusting to his new HC's system/calls, and the HC should be able to utilize the strengths of his QB and implement those into his playbook.
At least that's how it should work - to facilitate the rookies transition into the NFL and the ultimate success of the team.
Young has a nice intermediate to long throw and is said to be very intelligent so I think he will adjust quickly.
 
When breaking down passing into three categories; short passing, medium passing and long passing; and when comparing the two top qb's from this year, Young and Stroud, and the two top qb's from the 2024 class, Williams and Maye; NFL Draft Buzz has Young rated as the top short passer at 89%, the top medium passer at 97% and tied for top long passer at 97%.

I'd guess that hands aren't a problem.

What is more significant however is asking how well these four qb's are a fit for the WCO, which is a fast paced offense relying on short and quick throws emphasizing horizontal routes, requiring a qb who can quickly process what the defense is doing and making quick decisions which of his five receivers to throw to.

Of these four qb's, Young is noted for his high football IQ and his fast processing.

I brought up hand size b/c some folks have used this argument in the past....so it was worth adding to the discussion.
 
Not at all. After watching a few games from the past 2 years and scouting reports. I see his flaws and I don't think he has fixed them 100% either. And factor in his lack of size and tiny structure in a league with huge men trying to kill you. Under NFL pressure, without a good OL....he is not going to last long.
Playing small in college is one thing, but the defenders are a tad bigger/larger/taller/faster down the defensive line in the NFL than what he's used to.
 
When breaking down passing into three categories; short passing, medium passing and long passing; and when comparing the two top qb's from this year, Young and Stroud, and the two top qb's from the 2024 class, Williams and Maye; NFL Draft Buzz has Young rated as the top short passer at 89%, the top medium passer at 97% and tied for top long passer at 97%.

I'd guess that hands aren't a problem.

What is more significant however is asking how well these four qb's are a fit for the WCO, which is a fast paced offense relying on short and quick throws emphasizing horizontal routes, requiring a qb who can quickly process what the defense is doing and making quick decisions which of his five receivers to throw to.

Of these four qb's, Young is noted for his high football IQ and his fast processing.

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Young had a nice game against Tennessee's defense.....Hooker and Hyatt had a great against Alabama's defense. Hooker to Hyatt was awesome and those TD's in stride were even better.
 
Playing small in college is one thing, but the defenders are a tad bigger/larger/taller/faster down the defensive line in the NFL than what he's used to.
If you watch his film, he is pretty elusive and smart about how he falls and slides/surrenders on runs/sacks.
I think he'll be okay.
 
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Young had a nice game against Tennessee's defense.....Hooker and Hyatt had a great against Alabama's defense. Hooker to Hyatt was awesome and those TD's in stride were even better.
What I get from all that is that Hyatt was the difference in that game.
 
When breaking down passing into three categories; short passing, medium passing and long passing; and when comparing the two top qb's from this year, Young and Stroud, and the two top qb's from the 2024 class, Williams and Maye; NFL Draft Buzz has Young rated as the top short passer at 89%, the top medium passer at 97% and tied for top long passer at 97%.

I'd guess that hands aren't a problem.

What is more significant however is asking how well these four qb's are a fit for the WCO, which is a fast paced offense relying on short and quick throws emphasizing horizontal routes, requiring a qb who can quickly process what the defense is doing and making quick decisions which of his five receivers to throw to.

Of these four qb's, Young is noted for his high football IQ and his fast processing.

I saw scouting reports that say he is only good about progressing through his reads if he has a clean pocket. In college he mainly had a pretty clean pocket. It's not that way in the NFL. Scouts also noted a short arm release in a messy pocket and that he locks onto WRs at times and is worse if the pocket is not clean. He is also noted to not read a defensive when he has been getting pressured in the pocket. More than one game shows that when he has players around his feet he gets sloppy reading a D, locking onto receivers and not stepping into his throws. I think it could very well be that he is trying to protect himself and goes away from the correct mechanics.

On a side note, would anyone take a flyer on possibly the most upside QB in the draft in Anthony Richardson from Florida?

  • Anthony Richardson stats (passing): 133.6 QB rating, 24-15 TD-INT, 3,105 pass yards
  • Anthony Richardson rushing stats: 1,116 rush yards, 12 touchdowns
Some thought Richardson could challenge for the No. 1 pick in the 2023 NFL Draft before the season. If you were to create a player in Madden, so many of the attributes you’d use could be found in Richardson’s game. He needed to put it all together in 2022, but it didn’t happen.

We’ll start with the positives. Even at 6-foot-4 and 232 lbs., Richardson offers elite athleticism. He rushed for 100-plus yards four times in two seasons and had seven games with at least 60 rushing yards. It’s at the level to where you could project Richardson to rush for 600-plus yards per season at the next level. Of course, it also makes him even more difficult to bring down for sacks and the ability to buy time can also open things up for his receivers.

It’s also critical to mention Richardson’s arm strength, which would put him on a level with some of the best gunslingers in the NFL. Similar to Levis, the 21-year-old can physically drop a football at just about any location on the field. These two building blocks are what NFL coaches dream of.

Unfortunately, it just so rarely came together for Richardson. He only attempted 393 passes in his collegiate career, completing just 54.7% of those throws. If a 3.8% isn’t alarming enough – NFL interception leaders are Matt Ryan (13 INT, 3%) and Davis Mills (12, 3.4%) – Richardson also has a history of fumbles.

Richardson’s mechanics are going to be a multi-year project for his NFL coach. As things currently stand, the throwing mechanisms, decision-making and bad habits with his eyes all need to be addressed before he can be trusted in a regular-season game. We’re talking about at least two years of development before Richardson could potentially even begin to scratch at his potential.

Or perhaps my personal choice is Will Levis.
  • Will Levis stats: 145.6 QB rating, 46-25 TD-INT, 5,876 pass yards, 64.9% completion, 8.0 ypa
  • Will Levis age: 23 (June 27, 1999)
The 2023 NFL Draft QB rankings become hotly debated after Stroud and Young. Levis stands the best chance of being a top-10 pick after his two peers. He is also an example of scouts and general managers ignoring box scores, focusing purely on physical abilities and what a player can do at the next level with better coaching.
It’s not hard to figure out why so many are high on the Kentucky quarterback. Standing at 6-foot-4, Levis is armed with a cannon that gives him one of the strongest arms in the 2023 NFL Draft. While arm strength and velocity don’t guarantee success in the pros, the raw ability to place a football 60-plus yards downfield and to launch bullets through minuscule windows puts his upside in a different stratosphere than many of his peers.

What NFL play-callers will love even more is the ability to create a scheme around Levis’s mobility. Expected to run a sub 4.7 40-yard dash, the size and agility are similar to Josh Allen. With those physical tools also comes the rare skill of making throws off-platform. Whether it’s a 40-yard strike to the opposite hash while rolling out or fighting off a sack and still throwing a 20-yard dime, he can do it and it looks easy.
Accuracy, decision-making and processing ability are the main concerns. When Levis isn’t right and faces pressure, you get performances like the ones against Tennessee (3 INT, 67.5 QB rating) and South Carolina (3 INT, 60.7% completion).

Ideally, the team drafting Levis sits at the start of the 2023 NFL season. He is going to make a lot of mistakes in his rookie year and rushing him into action could magnify his issues. If ceiling is what you’re after, Levis has arguably the highest potential of offensive players in the 2023 NFL Draft.

My 2nd stretch is a QB like Levis who didn't have the OL (like Levis) and star WRs. Hooker from Tennessee. He is coming off an injury which is why a say he could be a stretch. However, look at the pro and con list.

I'm 100% wanting to get Levis and let him learn with say Jimmy G or Lance come in as a FA. I think with what he had he did the most. Football is a team sport and it takes 11 players to win a game or lose. Levis is going to light up the combine and likely move to a 1a, 1b and 1c with Young (not liking the issues or size), Stroud and Levis. And honestly feel Levis is going to be better than both. Richardson could potentially be the best of them, but can he put it all together is a huge question. He has everything to do it but can he.

You tell me are either of the 2 QBs I said are a reach currently (pre combine) someone who you would want?

NOTE: Article is not the Young weaknesses article. Or really anyones. Just kinda of a read, watch a few plays from the guys mentioned above and see what you think. I didn't post videos because you can locate a ton just typing the name and scouting report into youtube

 
I saw scouting reports that say he is only good about progressing through his reads if he has a clean pocket. In college he mainly had a pretty clean pocket. It's not that way in the NFL. Scouts also noted a short arm release in a messy pocket and that he locks onto WRs at times and is worse if the pocket is not clean. He is also noted to not read a defensive when he has been getting pressured in the pocket. More than one game shows that when he has players around his feet he gets sloppy reading a D, locking onto receivers and not stepping into his throws. I think it could very well be that he is trying to protect himself and goes away from the correct mechanics.

On a side note, would anyone take a flyer on possibly the most upside QB in the draft in Anthony Richardson from Florida?

  • Anthony Richardson stats (passing): 133.6 QB rating, 24-15 TD-INT, 3,105 pass yards
  • Anthony Richardson rushing stats: 1,116 rush yards, 12 touchdowns
Some thought Richardson could challenge for the No. 1 pick in the 2023 NFL Draft before the season. If you were to create a player in Madden, so many of the attributes you’d use could be found in Richardson’s game. He needed to put it all together in 2022, but it didn’t happen.

We’ll start with the positives. Even at 6-foot-4 and 232 lbs., Richardson offers elite athleticism. He rushed for 100-plus yards four times in two seasons and had seven games with at least 60 rushing yards. It’s at the level to where you could project Richardson to rush for 600-plus yards per season at the next level. Of course, it also makes him even more difficult to bring down for sacks and the ability to buy time can also open things up for his receivers.

It’s also critical to mention Richardson’s arm strength, which would put him on a level with some of the best gunslingers in the NFL. Similar to Levis, the 21-year-old can physically drop a football at just about any location on the field. These two building blocks are what NFL coaches dream of.

Unfortunately, it just so rarely came together for Richardson. He only attempted 393 passes in his collegiate career, completing just 54.7% of those throws. If a 3.8% isn’t alarming enough – NFL interception leaders are Matt Ryan (13 INT, 3%) and Davis Mills (12, 3.4%) – Richardson also has a history of fumbles.

Richardson’s mechanics are going to be a multi-year project for his NFL coach. As things currently stand, the throwing mechanisms, decision-making and bad habits with his eyes all need to be addressed before he can be trusted in a regular-season game. We’re talking about at least two years of development before Richardson could potentially even begin to scratch at his potential.

Or perhaps my personal choice is Will Levis.
  • Will Levis stats: 145.6 QB rating, 46-25 TD-INT, 5,876 pass yards, 64.9% completion, 8.0 ypa
  • Will Levis age: 23 (June 27, 1999)
The 2023 NFL Draft QB rankings become hotly debated after Stroud and Young. Levis stands the best chance of being a top-10 pick after his two peers. He is also an example of scouts and general managers ignoring box scores, focusing purely on physical abilities and what a player can do at the next level with better coaching.
It’s not hard to figure out why so many are high on the Kentucky quarterback. Standing at 6-foot-4, Levis is armed with a cannon that gives him one of the strongest arms in the 2023 NFL Draft. While arm strength and velocity don’t guarantee success in the pros, the raw ability to place a football 60-plus yards downfield and to launch bullets through minuscule windows puts his upside in a different stratosphere than many of his peers.

What NFL play-callers will love even more is the ability to create a scheme around Levis’s mobility. Expected to run a sub 4.7 40-yard dash, the size and agility are similar to Josh Allen. With those physical tools also comes the rare skill of making throws off-platform. Whether it’s a 40-yard strike to the opposite hash while rolling out or fighting off a sack and still throwing a 20-yard dime, he can do it and it looks easy.
Accuracy, decision-making and processing ability are the main concerns. When Levis isn’t right and faces pressure, you get performances like the ones against Tennessee (3 INT, 67.5 QB rating) and South Carolina (3 INT, 60.7% completion).

Ideally, the team drafting Levis sits at the start of the 2023 NFL season. He is going to make a lot of mistakes in his rookie year and rushing him into action could magnify his issues. If ceiling is what you’re after, Levis has arguably the highest potential of offensive players in the 2023 NFL Draft.

My 2nd stretch is a QB like Levis who didn't have the OL (like Levis) and star WRs. Hooker from Tennessee. He is coming off an injury which is why a say he could be a stretch. However, look at the pro and con list.

I'm 100% wanting to get Levis and let him learn with say Jimmy G or Lance come in as a FA. I think with what he had he did the most. Football is a team sport and it takes 11 players to win a game or lose. Levis is going to light up the combine and likely move to a 1a, 1b and 1c with Young (not liking the issues or size), Stroud and Levis. And honestly feel Levis is going to be better than both. Richardson could potentially be the best of them, but can he put it all together is a huge question. He has everything to do it but can he.

You tell me are either of the 2 QBs I said are a reach currently (pre combine) someone who you would want?

NOTE: Article is not the Young weaknesses article. Or really anyones. Just kinda of a read, watch a few plays from the guys mentioned above and see what you think. I didn't post videos because you can locate a ton just typing the name and scouting report into youtube

What you are subscribing to is not a WCO. The qb rushing for 100 yds a game is not a factor. You also use the term gunslinger, again not a factor in the WCO. Most passes are between 0 and 15 yds. Short passing, accuracy, timing, processing and getting the ball out quickly are paramount in the WCO.
 
What I get from all that is that Hyatt was the difference in that game.

It takes 2 to tango…..Hooker has to hit him in stride or be accurate as hail if he wants those 5 TD’s. Of course Hyatt had to take the top off the Bama defense to give Hooker a great target. This game wasn’t the crowning glory, but an example as to why I see Hooker and Hyatt as great targets for the Texans.
 
It takes 2 to tango…..Hooker has to hit him in stride or be accurate as hail if he wants those 5 TD’s. Of course Hyatt had to take the top off the Bama defense to give Hooker a great target. This game wasn’t the crowning glory, but an example as to why I see Hooker and Hyatt as great targets for the Texans.
Sure, but all the top qb candidates get high marks for their passing. Yesterday I reviewed the requisits for the WCO and I'm now looking at the prospects from this perspective. Haven't had a recent look at Hooker.

As for WR's, deep speed is less important in the WCO, although certainly desirable. More important is precise route running and processing his defender to decide which break he will take and being in sync with his qb on this.
 
I really think that Stroud would be the way to go fellas. If you actually watch that Ohio State vs Georgia game again. You can see that he was obviously not the reason they lost that game. C.J played his heart out and he is a competitor. I think everyone on Houstons staff will regret not picking him when he ends up blowing up for either Indy or Seattle. The fact that y'all are actually considering taking Levis is actually horrible. Bro reminds me of Davis Mills and he will take us in the wrong direction. Bryce Young reminds me of Kyler. HE IS SHORT AND MOIBLE. The only think this guy can do is throw short and scramble. I really do like Bryce but I dont think he would lead us into the future that we all want. Stroud has everything Levis and Young have. DRAFT STROUD HOUSTON. PLEASE CASERIO!!!!!!!!!
 
I really think that Stroud would be the way to go fellas. If you actually watch that Ohio State vs Georgia game again. You can see that he was obviously not the reason they lost that game. C.J played his heart out and he is a competitor. I think everyone on Houstons staff will regret not picking him when he ends up blowing up for either Indy or Seattle. The fact that y'all are actually considering taking Levis is actually horrible. Bro reminds me of Davis Mills and he will take us in the wrong direction. Bryce Young reminds me of Kyler. HE IS SHORT AND MOIBLE. The only think this guy can do is throw short and scramble. I really do like Bryce but I dont think he would lead us into the future that we all want. Stroud has everything Levis and Young have. DRAFT STROUD HOUSTON. PLEASE CASERIO!!!!!!!!!

I think it's telling that every person who is touting Stroud as the best pick references a single game in his career
 
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