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Head Coach Candidates
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TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Yeah "*a* top candidate"
Well no **** it's DeMeco Ryans.
Well no **** it's DeMeco Ryans.
Your post said 'first time head coaches have a higher fail rate than second time guys'. I was going on that pretty specific wording.
I assumed based on that wording you were going off of a relevant data point, of which there surely are. Such as what I mentioned.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
How did DeMeco not get an interview here last year… but Hines Ward and Josh Mccown did?
Texansballer74
The Marine
Good question. I’m thinking because it was a skit show and they didn’t want to waste Ryan’s time. No true real coach was taking this job. And they still had Easterby in the building.
zshawn10
All Pro
Look at the search with easterby and now without him
TexCanada
All Pro
I hope we do go with Ryans, but I also hope we are prepared to give him time to learn, because he is inexperienced and will have to learn on the job. It’s a risk, but I like this risk.
I also hope we are prepared to help him get the best staff possible to surround him, he will need it (as any HC does). We will need a smart offensive mind in the building to help with the draft and start building the O.
I also hope we are prepared to help him get the best staff possible to surround him, he will need it (as any HC does). We will need a smart offensive mind in the building to help with the draft and start building the O.
Dejaview
All Pro
I’m a little confused. You seem to be proud of your business management skills with a strong belief that a business owner reigns supreme so why the hurt over an owners concern for his bottom line? Only thing to bring the fans back is winning. I’d be surprised if he brought Ryans in to showcase regardless of his record.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
The past two years in a row the HC selection came out of the blue. This year they seem to be interviewing from a list, a list which includes names that seem to be mostly OK with all of us experts here at Texans Talk. DeMeco checks a lot of boxes; local favorite, good personality, good at his job (DC), will help ticket sales, is black.
For now, because of all of the attention being paid to DeMeco, he's my betting favorite. Which doesn't mean he'll get the job if history has anything to say about it. They could do worse, and for the most part, have done exactly that.
Can't wait for the announcement of our new HC, so we can either buy our fireworks to celebrate, or light up our torches and pitchforks again. Either way, another interesting offseason for the Texans. You still have to wonder though about a team whose offseasons spark more conversation than the actual seasons.
For now, because of all of the attention being paid to DeMeco, he's my betting favorite. Which doesn't mean he'll get the job if history has anything to say about it. They could do worse, and for the most part, have done exactly that.
Can't wait for the announcement of our new HC, so we can either buy our fireworks to celebrate, or light up our torches and pitchforks again. Either way, another interesting offseason for the Texans. You still have to wonder though about a team whose offseasons spark more conversation than the actual seasons.
Not much. They still are a Monte Kiffen 4-3 under base defensive front, with a cover 3. But, Ryans has had a lot of influences over his career and will go with a wide 9 front as well. I think we will see even more variety here, as Ryans has been around many different schemes over his career.
Ryans is a DC with an offensive HC. Shanahan is actually the defacto OC and calls the plays. The defense is Ryans' baby. He is the one who matches wits with the opposing OC. He's the one who makes the defensive game plan. And Ryans does it well enough to have the #1 defense in the league. Having guys like Nick Bosa and Fred Warner help. But Ryans is putting these guys in a position to make plays.
Leadership? That's always a tough thing to define. Kind of a "you know it when you see it" thing. Ryans is known as an upbeat coach (and a person). He'll more likely pat you on the back than kick you in the arse. That's the type of culture he will try to instill. "No energy vampires" allowed. That will be important for a young team that will have their ups and downs.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Good point - you don't want your HC wearing too many hats.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The stats you referred to only addressed HCs reaching the playoffs in their first season. This surely does not necessarily reflect those coaches' success over the long term. I don't believe teams are only looking for 1-hit wonders.
michaelm
vox nihili
If DeMeco gets the job, I'd like to see him try to bring in Luke Kuechly as LB position coach.
Kuechly is widely regarded as one of the most intelligent defensive players to play the game.
I think he'd be a good hire with an eye towards making him a DC fairly quickly.
Some might think he's already capable of being a DC
Kuechly is widely regarded as one of the most intelligent defensive players to play the game.
I think he'd be a good hire with an eye towards making him a DC fairly quickly.
Some might think he's already capable of being a DC
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What are you confused about?
Ryans was hired for the wrong reasons.
Typical McNair stuff, putting the bottom line over the on field product. I gues it should be expected since this has been going on for 2 decades and counting.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I’d be okay with Demeco as well. My biggest concern is the Texans letting him know that they’d like to see him fully prepared to be the HC and leaving the DC and OC jobs to the personnel he hires for those positions. Demeco has to focus on learning the nuances of the HC position while being the leader the team needs.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Here is the hope: if Mike Brown and the Bengals can accidentally run into the right head coach hire and the right QB, then it is possible for that good fortune to happen to the Texans as well... It isn't likely, but I would be encouraged by a Demeco Ryans hire, because I think it is possible he could be very good (regardless of why those idiots landed on him).
*They have mostly lost me as a fan... I can handle not winning, but I have been appalled by almost every organizational decision made the past 4-5 years. If they don't course correct with this hire, I think I may be done with them.
This so you and so fucked up! Anyone that hires Ryans will do so believing that he can be a good head coach. Only you would be so small to denigrate the man because of your predjudice against the McNairs. Would you say the same if they brought in Kafka? You're starting to disgust me with your silliness and outlandish takes that demean everyone so that you can later say 'I told you so' when the Texans are one of the 31 teams that don't win the SB. And you have been pulling the same crap for two decades.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Payton hasn’t worked out for any team and he was the hottest name out there.
The next hottest name is Demeco. All the teams want him. They wanted him last year.
If we hire him this is a good thing.
It happens to be that he played here.
Don’t read into it too much and make it something it’s not.
Texansballer74
The Marine
How do you know why he was hired? Was you on the zoom interview? Did they say Ryan’s we’re hiring you because we’re only trying to win back the fans?
And you’re talking about field product. Did they trade away all of the assets in the draft? I thought we were still rebuilding, something we all agreed takes time to do.
Last thing, from what I saw Ryan’s has a top 3 defense. From what I heard he’s a leader of men. So how do you know what the product will look like before it even gets started?
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What would be your plan of course correction?
Sorry to disgust you.
It's only my opinion
If they brought in anybody but the hometown hero (Which is so McNair) I would feel differently. They brought in Meco to sell the fanbase and hope that he's a good HC. (Same thing they did with Kubiak) Tell me this if Ryans wasn't a former Texan who is a fan favorite do you believe Ryans would be the guy Cal would hire? (I don't)This isn't about an I told you so moment, this is about history repeating itself. BTW, when I point out the Texans orgs failings and motivations it's not pulling the same old crap. It's observing how they have operated for the last 2 decades and continue to operate today. Nothing has changed within Texans org, whether some want to admit this or not. Same old Same old, I suppose they could get lucky with the Meco hire, if they do with the way they run their org the best we can hope for is a Kubiak run. I hope I'm wrong, but I've given them the benefit of the doubt for far too long. Now I'm a proofs in the pudding type guy. Cal runs the family business exactly like his dad did, except in a more mentally challenged kind of way.
I'm going to leave you with this.
As longtime poster Vinny once said the Houston Texans inc is a marketing company with a football division.
The Ryans hire will fit in perfectly with this mindset. With this said the Ryans hire could be a blind squirrel finds nut scenario.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Aw come on Steel, the Texans haven't done anything right in 20 years. That's beginning to stretch the known laws of probability. They gotta do something right at some point, that's how entropy works.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
There are reasons for liking and disliking all the coaches on their list, but out of all of them, they all look like a better plan than the last two. Or three. Or four.
Porky
Hall of Fame
So if Denver hires Ryans it’s for the right reasons, but if the Texans hire the same guy it’s for the wrong reasons.
Now that is some convoluted reasoning. And you already have your out. If he does well, it’s not because Nick tapped the best guy, it’s blind squirrel finding a nut. And if he doesn’t work out, it’s I told you so. Nice way to play both sides of the fence.
Now that is some convoluted reasoning. And you already have your out. If he does well, it’s not because Nick tapped the best guy, it’s blind squirrel finding a nut. And if he doesn’t work out, it’s I told you so. Nice way to play both sides of the fence.
I mentioned earlier that I would hate to be in on that decision because I don't know if I could separate my professional opinion of Demeco Ryans the candidate from Demeco Ryans the good dude & former player.
& I never met the man.
Cal has. I'd love to know that Caserio made this decision on his own, if it is in fact the decision. But I have no faith that Cal trusts Caserio to hire a HC.
That said, I am impressed with the list of candidates he brought in this time. & that list suggests I could be completely wrong.
Which to me makes no sense to me. He's Robert Saleh's replacement who was just as successful with that same defense, that same team. & Saleh appears to be in over his head. jmo.
But, a few other teams have reached out to Demeco & according to "reports" one (Denver) may actually want him.
It would be so much easier for me to "know" what this means if Pancakes reported it.
If rumors are true, that's probably why Denver wants him so badly.
jmo, but Kubiak did an admirable job taking a broken expansion team to a play-off contender.
It was that other guy, BO'b that the McNairs brought in, that raised this franchise back to broken expansion team status.
I didn't mention Denver.
I mentioned gotta sell those tickets. But I'm not delusional about why Ryans was hired. No playing both sides. I get that you like the Ryans hire and I dont think it's a bad hire. It's like you're defensive when I point out the McNair's hiring history and their motivations for those hires from Kubiak/RS to BOB/Easterby to Culley/Lovie and now Ryans. There's always been hires that have reasons that dont have to do with football for these hires.
BTW, I actually hope Ryans succeeds.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Ryans is not my first choice. I do agree with you that Cal is basing his decision on seeing an empty stadium for the last 2 years. He who can put more butts in seats will get hired. However, I will hold any judgment until after I see his coaching staff and his first draft. Initially, I was all in for Lovie after witnessing another HC FUBAR extraordinaire. It was after I saw Lovie's friends & family coaching staff and his backyard BBQ-style draft that resembled a game of Wheel of Fortune that I knew once again the Texans were doomed. I'll have a good idea about how successful Demeco might be by Friday, April 28, 2023.
Dejaview
All Pro
If someone named Vinny said it it must be true. So stick with it. Don’t CYA after saying it. Performance, not fancy advertising builds a franchise. How do you market your business? I believe you once stated you do pest control in Care facilities? Do you buy good products to do a good job or do you send in people with pointed toed shoes and a can of Raid because it’s catchy advertising? Demeco has been successful in football at every level and I believe that Is what has him deservedly in the HC mix.
wildroot
Rookie
I gotta believe IF Ryans is hired, 1st and foremost it's going to be because he hit it outta the park & sold them during their interview. I doubt any of the 3 (Cal, Hanna, Nick) would throw their support behind Ryans if he came across as a fool when they met.
I haven't seen any of the pundits have anything negative to say about him. On the contrary, he's thought of hightly among everyone. Everyone says he's ready. He even bowed out last year because he wanted another year of experience before taking a HCing gig, didn't think he was ready at that time.
I mean so what if a caveat is that he'll help fill the seats, I think any of the 5 others would have done that also.
I still lean towards Gannon a bit, but if we get Ryans, I'm thrilled! Ask yourself if you think Ryans will be a good HC? Forget about the being hired for the wrong reasons stuff. Can't you agree that he's got what it takes to be a good HC and has just as good a shot as any of the others to lead this team up to being revelant and more again?
After what we've all gone thru the last 2 years, things are finally looking up!
Who gives a $hit about the reasons.
In this case if it'll make you feel better, The ends justify the means. Embrace this hire if it happens!
I don't do fancy marketing.
Word of mouth is how I market.
I've been blessed to have met some great people in my life.
There wasn't a bigger fan of DeMeco on this forum than Vinny. I'd bet he thinks the Texans finally got one right.
I'm aware of the scope of the stats I linked to.
Again, you mentioned a seemingly definite scenario which is the poor success/fail rate of rookie HCs vs retreads. I kindly asked if you had any data for the sake of furthering the idea and provided one single metric of data that I could find to try and flesh the idea out a bit.
If you don't have any it's ok, that was all I was curious of to begin with.
Great post and I do think Ryan's has a chance to be a good HC. I would have gone a different direction. I wanted an offense guy. But Ryan's is a good hire. I doubt he will ever win a championship with the constraints McNair's put on the GM/HC. I mean we're on hire number 3 and the GM hasn't been allowed to hire a HC yet. Every hire that's been done is for one political reason or another and I don't like how all of this went down.
This really has nothing to do with Ryans, there's a good chance Ryan's will do a good job.
You're probably right and he's probably right heck, I hope we are all right and Ryan's is a great HC.
My point about the McNair's and their motivations stands.
Texian
Hall of Fame
The #1 One-Hit Wonder of All Time:
frethack
Rookie
You may be correct about the McNairs motivations, but in my experience, motivations are a bit more nuanced. Usually not binary.
Ryans is a beloved former player who will put butts in seats based on nostalgia and fan excitement
He's a proven natural leader and student of the game.
He's also a defensive coordinator who ran an intricate scheme that was very successful
His defense is full of great players who allowed him to intricately disguise his defense and made his job as DC easier.
He is considered by many as the top head coaching candidate this cycle for the above reasons.
All of these things are true...all at once. All of them are most likely motivating the McNairs decision if they hire Ryans.
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It would be kind of weird to bring Demeco in, cashing in on the Texans "glory days" in 2023
Then cashing in on the Columbia blue era in 2024.
Cal & Janice are going to push the Texans into Fortune 500 territory.
This is what the McNair's are all about.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Hell yes.
Even Patrick Willis, if he's interested in coming in some capacity.
Also I've seen this sentiment a bit, and maybe I'm being naive and I love DeMeco (one of only two Texans jerseys I own), but nobody's coming to the stadium to see DeMeco be coach unless the team is successful and deserves the attendance. People can be excited and hopeful due to leadership and loving him, but nobody's actually gonna be plunking down hundreds of dollars on the surface-level mere fact that DeMeco would be head coach until the team is good.