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TheRealJoker said:
Scratch Ben Johnson off the board. He’s going to take another year to become a better candidate like DeMeco did last season.

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Lions OC Ben Johnson Informs Teams He's Staying With Detroit

According to Tom Pelissero, Lions OC Ben Johnson has informed interested teams that he will remain with Detroit next season. This comes after Johnson completed an interview with the Texans for their head coaching vacancy,
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Man this sucks. this is going to be Kyle Shanahan all over again.
 
badboy said:
Jonathan Gannon who has led the Eagles to extremely high defensive rankings is bringing in quarterback coach Brian Johnson who has helped Jalen Hurts leap to a higher level and possibly Munchak to be offensive line coach, adds some pretty good credibility also. Gannon hasn't done what Payton has as HC but most would be willing to give him a shot. I want to see what he brings with that pick 12.
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No thanks. Don’t want another QB coach that’s over his head with no one to help him. This is Pep Hamilton allover again. Bring in an offensive minded HC if he wants to hire a QB coach to help him run the offense fine, he’ll be there to help him. I don’t want a D minded HC bumping up a QB coach and he’s on his own for the first time running an offense.
 
Regarding Payton 'quitting' - he showed what he was capable of and left the team when Brees left not wanting to rebuild the same team he already built. I'd call that retiring. It isn't like things got too difficult for him. He had nothing left to prove. Phil Jackson 'quit' when he got run out of Chicago Jordan's last year there. Said he was done coaching. Took a year off - got the itch and looked for the best opportunity to repeat his success. It's not a perfect analogy, but I think you can expect a similarity with Payton wanting to replicate the success he had with his prior team. He proved what he was capable of and wants to prove he can do it again. If he decides that he's interested in taking on a Saints like project team, that team would be foolish to turn him down imo. Odds of him making something out of a nothing team in 3-5 years are better under Payton than any other coaching prospect by a mile imo.
 
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badboy said:
Gannon hasn't done what Payton has as HC but most would be willing to give him a shot. I want to see what he brings with that pick 12.
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I get that. It's analogous to the trading card hobby. When I was younger (up until my 30's) I was an avid sports card collector. A real collector would rather purchase unopened packs of cards hoping to pull a Sean Payton, for instance. A really good card that may be in those packs. Instead of just spending a little more and buying a graded, mint Sean Payton card. It's not a good bet to buy those packs. You're probably not getting a Payton card. But it's more exciting to get one fresh from the pack.

I'm older. Now if I want something, I just buy it. Don't need the excitement of the chase.
 
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Max said:
Regarding Payton 'quitting' - he showed what he was capable of and left the team when Brees left not wanting to rebuild the same team he already built. I'd call that retiring. It isn't like things got too difficult for him. He had nothing left to prove. Phil Jackson 'quit' when he got run out of Chicago Jordan's last year there. Said he was done coaching. Took a year off - got the itch and looked for the best opportunity to repeat his success. It's not a perfect analogy, but I think you can expect a similarity with Payton wanting to replicate the success he had with his prior team. He proved what he was capable of and wants to prove he can do it again. If he decides that he's interested in taking on a Saints like project team, that team would be foolish to turn him down imo. Odds of him making something out of a nothing team in 3-5 years are better under Payton than any other coaching prospect by a mile imo.
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Just hard to swallow giving up #12 to get his release from NO. Wonder if they would take #34?
 
https://twitter.com/x/status/1615723435111448579

According to Joe Banner from the 33rd Team, Philadelphia Eagles defensive coordinator Jonathan Gannon has demonstrated the ability to question his own approach to the game and implement change. The example Banner uses is how Gannon augmented the Eagles’ defense to make it more attacking in 2022.
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He’s become more aggressive, mixing in attacking schemes. Now, understand: That can mean he lines up six guys on the line of scrimmage and only rushes four. But at least he’s making the quarterback worry about what he’s doing, and the results speak for themselves: The Eagles led the league with 70 sacks this season, two short of the NFL record. He’s also shifting from zone to man-to-man more, making it hard to predict what happens next. So I see real growth.

He didn’t come to Philadelphia as someone totally consumed by analytics, but he’s had an open mind about it and it’s had an impact on how he thinks. When you have someone who is smart, a great leader and open-minded, you’ve checked really important boxes.

Banner was the Eagles’ team president from 1995-2012 and later the CEO for the Cleveland Browns from 2012-13. Banner also was a front office consultant for the Atlanta Falcons from 2014-15.
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steelbtexan said:
Payton will probably end up in either Carolina or Denver. The 2 owners with the deepest pockets in the NFL.
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That always will be the bottom line. Cal could offer Payton more than he ever thought he could get. Then Tepper could say, "How about about an extra $30 million on top of that?" Sam Walton says, "When are we going to start talking about real $$$$?"

Hard to hunt with the big dogs around.
 
Number19 said:
Just hard to swallow giving up #12 to get his release from NO. Wonder if they would take #34?
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I understand everyone not wanting to give up draft capital. But I look at it completely different. To me it's short term vs long term. I watched every Vikings game since I was old enough to remember (post Bud Grant Super Bowl years) until I moved to Houston when I started watching the Texans. It was exciting at first thinking I escaped rooting for a team that was never going to win a Super Bowl. Until I realized that I switched one team mired in mediocrity for another. Every Vikings fan born in the last 50 years knows one thing - we're never winning a Super Bowl in our lifetime. Vikings could have the top 5 picks of the first round for the next five years and they ain't winning a Super Bowl. If you have the opportunity to bring in someone that can fix that, you jump at the opportunity imo. #12 doesn't turn a team into a Super Bowl contender in the same way that a top shelf coach can. Not even close.
 
Max said:
I understand everyone not wanting to give up draft capital. But I look at it completely different. To me it's short term vs long term. I watched every Vikings game since I was old enough to remember (post Bud Grant super bowl years) until I moved to Houston when I started watching the Texans. It was exciting at first thinking I escaped rooting for a team that was never going to win a Super Bowl. Until I realized that I switched one team mired in mediocrity for another. Every Vikings fan born in the last 50 years knows one thing - we're never winning a Super Bowl in our lifetime. Vikings could have the top 5 picks of the first round for the next five years and they ain't winning a Super Bowl. If you have the opportunity to bring in someone that can fix that, you jump at the opportunity imo. #12 doesn't turn a team into a Super Bowl contender in the same way that a top shelf coach can. Not even close.
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I get that. But even bringing in SP doesn’t guarantee he can fix it. It’s a gamble no matter who we hire.
 
amazing80 said:
I get that. But even bringing in SP doesn’t guarantee he can fix it. It’s a gamble no matter who we hire.
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Of course there’s no guarantees, but it seems a lot of people are arguing against a guy who has done it over someone who has never even been a HC.

Yes, no matter who we hire is a gamble, but that’s why you probably want the best odds there are.
 
Max said:
I understand everyone not wanting to give up draft capital. But I look at it completely different. To me it's short term vs long term. I watched every Vikings game since I was old enough to remember (post Bud Grant Super Bowl years) until I moved to Houston when I started watching the Texans. It was exciting at first thinking I escaped rooting for a team that was never going to win a Super Bowl. Until I realized that I switched one team mired in mediocrity for another. Every Vikings fan born in the last 50 years knows one thing - we're never winning a Super Bowl in our lifetime. Vikings could have the top 5 picks of the first round for the next five years and they ain't winning a Super Bowl. If you have the opportunity to bring in someone that can fix that, you jump at the opportunity imo. #12 doesn't turn a team into a Super Bowl contender in the same way that a top shelf coach can. Not even close.
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If you can have a top shelf coach and the 12th pick...
 
Lucky said:
There’s no way Johnson was told that by the Texans. And the guys on that station, other than John and Lance, are total morons.
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I was driving back from Dickinson and nothing on the 2 AM channel so I flipped it there to 97.5 I Seldom listen to any sports on the radio. If I remember correctly one of them said Callahan was the possible source That Payton was going to Houston.
 
Sorry but I'm not buying Carolina. Someone make a decent argument for Carolina other than $$$. Denver...maybe I could see it. But objectively speaking, Houston is the best place for Payton. I don't even think it's that close honestly.

To me, the Texan's biggest competitor isn't Carolina or even Denver - it's Fox. It might come down to Houston or just keeping his Fox gig and seeing what shakes loose next year.
 
Porky said:
Have you been there? You'd rather look at Exxon refineries than the Rocky Mountains? Not to mention, give me snow any day of the week and twice on Sunday over 100 with 95% humidity.
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If it's 100 outside with 95% humidity I'm inside and don't know it. If I gotta go outside somewhere I'll drive. If there's two foot of ******* snow outside I can't do ****.
 
badboy said:
97.5 sports radio postulating Johnson was told Payton wants Texans. Panthers interview just a formality?
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I watched Rich Eisen's show today and he had Florio on who spoke extensively about Payton and his interests in Denver, Carolina,
and his situation with the Saints but didn't even mention Houston not even that the Texans had interviewed Payton.
Now it' my impression that Florio has a pretty good handle on the NFL scene, though you might not concur ?
 
What Colin Cowherd said makes me take Payton down a notch or two on my power rankings. Yes, this ownership is a total **** show. Cal comes across like a Peter Pan man-boy with a silver spoon in his mouth, who doesn't know what he's doing and has no clue how to get there. Like Payton didn't know that before the Zoom meeting?

I'm actually beginning to think Cal should be like Mama seems to be these days. Stay completely and 100% out of everything public-facing and just collect the $$$ and chime in when asked. Let Hannah be the face of ownership. Guys will be attracted to her in multiple ways, and she can speak eloquently and with some passion. Now does she know nuts and bolts? No idea, but at this point, no matter how much Cal tries to dig his way out of this mess, the hole just gets deeper.

Can it get any worse with Hannah taking charge?
 
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