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Head Coach Candidates

Lucky said:
He's been considered one of the premier offensive coaches in the game for nearly 2 decades. Why is there even a debate about this?
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20 years with only 1 Super Bowl win while having a HOF QB and getting suspended a year for Bounty Gate.

Hmmm.

I think fans would have been calling for him to be replaced after 10 years of not being able to repeat his Super Bowl win which came within the first few years of being with New Orleans.
 
Lucky said:
No he didn't. The only player @CloakNNNdagger spoke of was Lamar Jackson. A player Payton has never coached. I've seen nor heard of any examples of Payton playing injured players.

So first you say Payton had terrible drafts. Then tout the Saints GM as being among the all time best. You may not be aware of this, but Loomis came to the Saints as a salary cap guy. He was the Seahawks VP of finance for 15 years prior to joining the Saints. Didn't play football. Never a scout. Not a personnel guy.

You don't like Payton. That's apparent. The first thing that happens if Payton comes to Houston will be Nick Caserio being shown the door. And you like Nick. But there's no reason to make stuff up about Payton.
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The same can be said of your disdain for Nick Caserio. Me, I absolutely think Caserio and Payton could come together for a mutually agreed upon plan for the Texans success.

Payton will come at a cost, and that’s something the McNair’s have to agree on paying. If they decide to pay the ransom, the Texans get a HC with the pedigree and respect they’ve never enjoyed during their short existence. Payton will attract top coordinators and position coaches to the organization along with top FA players. The Texans have never really enjoyed this type of image.

As for Caserio, he would finally have a coaching staff that could implement a system that appeals to veterans and should allow for development of the players he brings to the team. Caserio getting his job done would become a much easier task with Payton on board.
 
^^^ - 3 links to the same clip where Payton says there's pros and cons to every team asking to interview him, which now includes the Panthers
 
Hypothetically, if the price for Payton is a 1st round pick, would you rather trade:

Pick 1.12
or
Derrick Stingley

The thought behind offering Stingley is two fold.

He's an LSU alum, and knowing the fans in Louisiana, that brings quite a bit of value.

And due to the his lisfranc injury history, there's a decent chance his career won't be as long as it could be otherwise.


I think I'd pass on Payton at this price and go with Gannon personally, assuming he'd take the job.


Thoughts?
 
michaelm said:
Hypothetically, if the price for Payton is a 1st round pick, would you rather trade:

Pick 1.12
or
Derrick Stingley

The thought behind offering Stingley is two fold.

He's an LSU alum, and knowing the fans in Louisiana, that brings quite a bit of value.

And due to the his lisfranc injury history, there's a decent chance his career won't be as long as it could be otherwise.


I think I'd pass on Payton at this price and go with Gannon personally, assuming he'd take the job.


Thoughts?
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I don't want them to give up any assets for a coach
 
Well of course Peyton is saying nice stuff. He's looking for a job. LOL

Don't want him. He knows full well we have to give up draft capital for him, he knows full well his hiring will hurt the team in draft capital, but I'm not sure he cares. Don't want him for that alone. Screw him. Let's get ourselves a newbie and go from there.
 
JB said:
How much Kafka and how much Daboll?
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Plenty of both, they married the Chiefs system to the Bills system and the results have been quite good. Gotta find WR and a couple of OL in the draft and try to keep Tomlinson. Definitely an up and coming team. Need a LB pretty badly too.
 
Thorn said:
Well of course Peyton is saying nice stuff. He's looking for a job. LOL

Don't want him. He knows full well we have to give up draft capital for him, he knows full well his hiring will hurt the team in draft capital, but I'm not sure he cares. Don't want him for that alone. Screw him. Let's get ourselves a newbie and go from there.
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cuppacoffee said:
We were coerced by the NFL into accepting our last coach. Now being forced to pay a ransom for a different coach?

Hell NO. Let Dallas buy him.

:coffee:
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JB said:
I don't want them to give up any assets for a coach
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Hey guys, tell me who you think Caserio could pick at 1-12 that would have the impact that Payton would have on this org?

I would offer 2-32 and 4-103 or Stingley and 3-75.

Or something like 2-32 and a 2024 2nd for Payton.
 
steelbtexan said:
Hey guys, tell me who you think Caserio could pick at 1-12 that would have the impact that Payton would have on this org?

I would offer 2-32 and 4-103 or Stingley and 3-75.

Or something like 2-32 and a 2024 2nd for Payton.
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What I bolded, I'll take that. I'd like to see them being able to draft twice in the first round if Peyton is coming here.
 
michaelm said:
I'm sure that Payton would like to draft twice in the first round too.
If he was coming here.

I think the Texans are continuing the HTown tradition of being used as leverage for a better deal with a better team
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This lol:

Payton wants the Charger gig but Spanos is just too damn cheap man:money:

If cowgirls lose tonight Jones will fly out to pick up Sean tomorrow, they belong together :cowboy1:
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Much of this is closest to the truth of the dysfunction that has taken place at NRG with CalHannahJack.

www.spreaker.com

NFL Insider Ian Rapoport Believes The Texans Coaching Job Is Desirable

NFL Insider Ian Rapoport Believes The Texans Coaching Job Is Desirable. This headline is just one of the many questions Sean Salisbury asked NFL Network Inside
www.spreaker.com www.spreaker.com

Salisbury's question purporting that Cal hasn't been involved is flat out wrong. Cal has been in there most every day, and had his bought-and-paid-for bestie and organizational spy the Jackster to report to him on days Cal was away from NRG. The Jackster fakked up a lot of stuff, twisted up communications between Nick and Cal throughout his tenure there.

Caserio did not hire Culley per se, he walked into to Lovie sitting in the DC chair and Cal and Hannah and Jack and Janice telling him he could choose between Leslie Frazier and Culley. Maybe 2 owners knew who David Culley even was in 2020, but Cal was talking Culley up in early December before Texans could have contact with Nick. Korn Ferry had Culley (deep) on their black head coach candidates list.

2022 Caserio told Jonathan Gannon he had the job and JG had a staff mostly together including Mike Munchak as OL coach and AHC. Jack had told McCown he had the job. CalHannah overruled Nick and went with Lovie.

McNairs were 100% only hiring black head coaches then, per Janice's orders. Why? Because of their Conversations For Change initiative that was prompted by Bill O'Brien's impromptu I'm Ready To Take A Knee speech on race relations and NFL back in 2020. They didn’t want to be criticized for going back on that initiative so quickly.

Rapsheet: "You can argue about who the influence came from for those other [Head Coach] hires."
Salisbury: Did he [Caserio] solely make the [Head Coach] decisions himself the last two years?
Rapsheet: "I would probably say No."
Salisbury: Was Jack Easterby the next man in power?
Rapsheet: "Yes Jack Easterby and Cal McNair were very tight, there was a lot of influence. Jack Easterby had a part in every decision... There was a lot of voices, not all of them good."
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Wait a minute. Based on your post, there are two interesting nuggets that contradicts a couple of narratives and needs clarification.
  1. The TT narrative that Watson and Mulugheta demanded hiring a black HC. Are you saying this was a Texans initiative and didn't start with Mulugheta and Watson?
  2. This post also contradicts the narrative that Easterby's involvement/meddling was overstated by fans and media. Correct?
 
steelbtexan said:
Hey guys, tell me who you think Caserio could pick at 1-12 that would have the impact that Payton would have on this org?

I would offer 2-32 and 4-103 or Stingley and 3-75.

Or something like 2-32 and a 2024 2nd for Payton.
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How much better is Payton than any other coach plus draft capital?
 
zshawn10 said:
“Sean Payton is the leader in Denver. … InArizona, they want to hire the GM first. Jonathan Gannon is the frontrunner in Houston. Ben Johnson has the lead in Carolina. In Indianapolis, that’s up to Jim Irsay. Jeff Saturday could be the guy.” — Jonathan Jones, CBS

https://twitter.com/x/status/1614672918159687681
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The Broncos giving up their only pick in the first 2 rounds for Payton would be a bold move (based on Payton's comments today about what the Saints want).
 
Thorn said:
Well of course Peyton is saying nice stuff. He's looking for a job. LOL

Don't want him. He knows full well we have to give up draft capital for him, he knows full well his hiring will hurt the team in draft capital, but I'm not sure he cares. Don't want him for that alone. Screw him. Let's get ourselves a newbie and go from there.
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Payton could have a much more significant impact on this franchise than whomever we pick at 33. I might even make the same argument for the 12th pick as well.
 
Lucky said:
The Chargers rumor is total B.S. The Cowboys are very real. So are the Broncos, that can pay Payton whatever he wants, and more. What can the Texans offer to Payton? Total control. High pick this year and two next year. Salary cap space. A very winnable division. I don't know if that's enough, but it's enough to get an interview on Tuesday.
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Texans can pay him whatever he wants also but will they?
 
steelbtexan said:
Hey guys, tell me who you think Caserio could pick at 1-12 that would have the impact that Payton would have on this org?

I would offer 2-32 and 4-103 or Stingley and 3-75.

Or something like 2-32 and a 2024 2nd for Payton.
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First I would have to assume Payton would have a positive effect.

I wonder how Jags fans felt when they signed Urban Meyer?

Be careful what you wish for.

:coffee:
 
Lucky said:
There's no comparison to Payton and the rest of the candidates. The other guys are hot names with recent success as deputies that you can dream on. Payton is a proven winner. The way I look at is: If you can't get Payton, then which of the other guys can you get? I've seen good cases made for every other candidate. But if you can get Payton, you get Payton.
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They might shoot the Sheriff but not the deputies.
 
Errant Hothy said:
Payton could have a much more significant impact on this franchise than whomever we pick at 33. I might even make the same argument for the 12th pick as well.
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Would he make that much more if an impact than any other coach plus the draft pick?
 
Earl34 said:
Wait a minute. Based on your post, there are two interesting nuggets that contradicts a couple of narratives and needs clarification.
  1. The TT narrative that Watson and Mulugheta demanded hiring a black HC. Are you saying this was a Texans initiative and didn't start with Mulugheta and Watson?
  2. This post also contradicts the narrative that Easterby's involvement/meddling was overstated by fans and media. Correct?
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No contradictions. The black HC was mostly in the context of what was going on contemporaneously with Flores and the NFL and the Texans. If that wasn't going on, the "initiative" would not have been considered too soon to veer from. The black composition of many positions,, not just the HC was put forward by Mulguheta and Watson.

As far as Easterby, he had no power to make any decisions himself. But in the background, he managed to try to manipulate other's thinking, mostly unsuccessfully, but enough to create controversy.
 
cuppacoffee said:
First I would have to assume Payton would have a positive effect.

I wonder how Jags fans felt when they signed Urban Meyer?

Be careful what you wish for.

:coffee:
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Big difference is Payton is a proven NFL winner. Meyer wasn't a fit in the NFL. Great college coach though. It's a moot point, very doubtful Payton ends up down on Kirby.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Demeco has turned down the Panthers request for interview and has accepted the invitation from the Texans and Broncos. Those interviews will take place Thursday and Friday..l....Can't tell you which day for sure for the Texans, the Broncos will be first on Thursday. He has also accepted invitations from the Colts and Cardinals.
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I’m surprised, I think of all the jobs open right now Carolina seems to be the best situation
 
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