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Head Coach Candidates
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Go back and read point #3 in post 2190.
I don't get it
TexansBull
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Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
I don't think any of those guys looked up Jackson's injury. This is a grade 3 PCL.
I'm certain Jackson immediately thought of RG3 when he got his diagnosis. Do you think he wants to follow that career path?
Many coaches in the NFL, as we saw with Mike Shanahan, take the same approach to potentially career altering injuries as the members of this Fox Sports panel does. It's just a little more troubling when it comes from the coach involved in Bountygate. I still don't know how responsible Payton was for it, but as a refresher, this is what the environment sounded like. (63) Gregg Williams Saints Bounty Audio - YouTube
That said, I'd still be happy with an upgrade like Payton, but we have to lay out the facts.
First time I've heard that. They should have given that sh!t a lifetime ban
So? The Saints finished outside the top 10 in points scored in 3 times during Payton's 16 seasons as head coach.
2020 - 19th
2010 - 11th
2007 - 12th
That means in the other 13 seasons, the Saints finished top 10 in points scored. 3 times they were over 500 points. How many times have the Texans finished in the top 10 in scoring?
2012 - 8th
2011 - 10th
2010 - 9th
2009 - 10th
The Texans franchise record for points scored was 416 points in 2012. Payton's teams have scored more than 416 points in 9 of 16 seasons. He's been considered one of the premier offensive coaches in the game for nearly 2 decades. Why is there even a debate about this? The more people try to find issues with Payton, the more you realize what an outstanding coach he has been.
banned1976
sleeper mode
If it was between Payton and a bunch of Culley’s and Lovies I’d say give up a high draft pick for Sean. But by most accounts, there are some really good candidates.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
And NFC South has been a better division than AFC South with Super Bowl appearances by Panthers, Falcons and a SB win by Bucs during Payton’s time with Saints.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
There are definitely some candidates out there that would be better coaches from this point forward than Payton would be from this point forward. That being said, there is little reason for anyone to have faith that the Texans' organization is capable of finding those persons and convincing them to take the job. That's the problem with being a horrible organization.
All we can do is hope, otherwise what is there?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I'm not impressed with Payton's approach to injury at all................but especially as pertains to Lamar Jackson. It speaks to ignorance.
Grade 1 PCL sprains have minimal damage to the ligament and can typically recover quickly within 2-3 weeks. Grade 2 will not require surgical intervention. Low grade 2 tears will require 4-6 weeks recovery. However, severe injuries such as high grade 2 (subtotal tear) and grade 3 (total rupture)PCL tears will take longer to recover.............high grade 2 may require 3-4 months without surgery...........and if surgery is needed in this case or for grade 3 tears, the recovery may be 12 months of rehabilitation.
Jackson just recently revealed that he is dealing with a high grade 2 PCL tear which has left him currently with significant knee swelling and, most importantly, knee instability. Knee braces are used in the rehab process, it is not meant to substitute an adequate strength and conditioning of his knee. If proper rehab is not implemented, Jackson's anticipated moderate loss of playing time, can be quickly turned into a 1 year absence. Jackson is a "mobile dual threat" (for those not wanting to place the label of "running") QB. If he were to wear any brace when back in action, that ability would be significantly impaired. One last comment about his injury............a PCL tear rarely occurs as isolated injuries.
A coach like Payton seems to have no problem sacrificing a player's career for a perceived short-sighted "gain." Jackson's "legs" are his career, and with his upcoming contract, his financial security.
Payton may be a great coach, but I've never cared for him as a person.............this selfish philosophy only further affirms my opinion.
TexansBull
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You make excellent points but I think the measuring stick should be comparing Payton to the coaches that interviewing as opposed to the Texans’ past coaches and records.
Which coach has a chance at bringing the same level of success that Payton is planning to bring - a contender? Which coach is going to have the most impressive staff?
(Two teams are the favorites for Payton - Chargers and Cowboys. I don’t see anyone competing with those two.)
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Gannon sounds like an impressive leader of men. I would be good with him as the hire hoping his intangibles shine through even if he isn’t the offensive genius i’m hoping for…
Its pretty rare a coordinator that wasn’t previously a well-liked player gets as much positive press as Gannon has had. I wonder who his agent is? They are doing a heck of a job campaigning with the media for him to get hired:
www.click2houston.com
Its pretty rare a coordinator that wasn’t previously a well-liked player gets as much positive press as Gannon has had. I wonder who his agent is? They are doing a heck of a job campaigning with the media for him to get hired:
Why Jonathan Gannon, interviewed Saturday, is regarded as a top candidate for Texans
When the Texans interviewed Philadelphia Eagles defensive coordinator Jonathan Gannon virtually on Saturday, it marked the third time they’ve met with the Cleveland native over the past year.
www.click2houston.com
CloakNNNdagger
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It is a high grade II PCL tear.
The Chargers rumor is total B.S. The Cowboys are very real. So are the Broncos, that can pay Payton whatever he wants, and more. What can the Texans offer to Payton? Total control. High pick this year and two next year. Salary cap space. A very winnable division. I don't know if that's enough, but it's enough to get an interview on Tuesday.
There's no comparison to Payton and the rest of the candidates. The other guys are hot names with recent success as deputies that you can dream on. Payton is a proven winner. The way I look at is: If you can't get Payton, then which of the other guys can you get? I've seen good cases made for every other candidate. But if you can get Payton, you get Payton.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Is the Chargers rumor BS? He was linked to them in December last year.
I agree that Texans have a lot to offer. The downside is Payton has draft and grow a QB. Drafting a QB is much different than getting one in free agency like Brees. Payton may not want to do that.
It's B.S. The Chargers aren't making Payton one of, if not the, highest paid head coaches in the league. Now, I'm sure Payton would love to live in LA and coach Herbert. But he's not going to do it for a discount. The last 3 Charger HCs were 1st timers who came cheap. So will the next Charger HC.
TheMatrix31
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McDaniel. Another guy we could have or should have had.
And yeah, Payton is only going to Dallas or Denver in my opinion. Historic franchises with fan bases that demand greatness and success will drive either franchise to do it.
And yeah, Payton is only going to Dallas or Denver in my opinion. Historic franchises with fan bases that demand greatness and success will drive either franchise to do it.
McDaniels and Shanahan.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
McDaniels and Shanahan.
Saleh too tbh.
Which makes you think we should have fired Rick Smith and kept Kubiak. One of them would have taken over after he would have retired.
Payton is my #1 choice. Because it means that Payton will have control and Cal won't be doing things like hiring Lovie and if Payton wants to bring a guy in, he will be able to bring that guy in and Janice/Cal will cede some control of the franchise over to a guy who knows he's one more SB away from the HOF. Which means it's not happening.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
I think it was time for Kubiak to go just because it had been so long and the leash had ran out. 2013 was a mix of special circumstances and the team was not as bad as the record showed but it was just time. I understood it regardless of what I may have personally done.
But dammit it pisses me off.
They were long gone before Kubiaks last years
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I don’t think so. There is a chance he goes there because the Spanos now are making more money due to TV deals and being in LA.
Porky
Hall of Fame
I still say Payton is a Cowboy next year, but big if - Cowboys need to lose early in the playoffs so Jerry has an excuse (albeit a thin one) to boot MM.
I’m not down with Payton. Dude rubs me the wrong way, we will need to give up vital draft capital, he has been involved in a huge scandal, he is an egotistical asshole, and as CND pointed out very eloquently, his treatment of injured guys leaves a lot to be desired.
If we could sign him clean, might be worth the gamble as he does know how to build an offense and he would attract FA due to prior history. But given the draft comp and the dirty laundry…I’m out on Payton.
I’m not down with Payton. Dude rubs me the wrong way, we will need to give up vital draft capital, he has been involved in a huge scandal, he is an egotistical asshole, and as CND pointed out very eloquently, his treatment of injured guys leaves a lot to be desired.
If we could sign him clean, might be worth the gamble as he does know how to build an offense and he would attract FA due to prior history. But given the draft comp and the dirty laundry…I’m out on Payton.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Makes you wonder how he would have handled Tua’s situation…
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
Don't forget DabollMcDaniels and Shanahan.
CloakNNNdagger
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We're somehow willing to look past someone and his scouting department that have long been known as one of the all-time best drafting GMs.
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Saints Mickey Loomis: 2nd-Best Drafting NFL GM
By Ian-Mitchell Dear
Mar 26, 2015
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Payton: Boy, you still remember your name?
Tua: Tua something........
Payton: Boy, get your ass out there now!
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Jerry was spell-bound from the beginning by Romo..........he single-handedly placed the target on, and reeled in Romo for the Cowboys.
Payton is well worth pick 1-12. Name one player you think may be available at 1-12 that could make an impact on the entire org that Payton would have.
He's said to be an a hole, most really successful people have? See: Jeff Luhnow and that turned out pretty well.
CloakNNNdagger
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Texan Asylum
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Doc, thank you for your invaluable input. You da man!
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
Right, I should've made it clear that was using the graphic to show people what Jackson's injury could end up becoming if he plays. And those who should respect these risks the most are coaches. They lose players to it every season. To give a dual threat QB grief for not playing on that is disturbing.
No he didn't. The only player @CloakNNNdagger spoke of was Lamar Jackson. A player Payton has never coached. I've seen nor heard of any examples of Payton playing injured players.
So first you say Payton had terrible drafts. Then tout the Saints GM as being among the all time best. You may not be aware of this, but Loomis came to the Saints as a salary cap guy. He was the Seahawks VP of finance for 15 years prior to joining the Saints. Didn't play football. Never a scout. Not a personnel guy.
You don't like Payton. That's apparent. The first thing that happens if Payton comes to Houston will be Nick Caserio being shown the door. And you like Nick. But there's no reason to make stuff up about Payton.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Sean Payton's Subliminal Message to His Team: Suck It Up and Start Playing
- BARRY HIRSTIUS
- AUG 14, 2017 12:35 PM EDT
wildroot
Veteran
Why would he want NC gone? He had a GM in N.O. didn't he?
I think Payton and Loomis are on pretty good terms and the interest in the Texans is just leverage for other teams that Payton is truly interested in is to give up more draft capital.
I definitely see why the Texans and Cal are serious about his services. His presence alone can bring in a quality staff.
I still don’t see some amazing turnaround with this offense considering we lack top end talent at the skill positions (sans Pierce). We still need to replace Cooks’ production after he’s traded. You’ll have rookie Metchie, a disgruntled Collins, Akins, Chris Moore and a rookie draft pick.
I just don’t see us being a desired destination for top end WR FAs unless Lamar Jackson is part of the Payton deal.
Sure, money talks and we have cap space to bring the talent in. But I’d hate to overpay to get guys here and we’re right back to where we were like these past 4 seasons with the cap space being in bad shape.
Also, is Lamar Jackson the type of guy who wants the money no matter the organization paying to get him? Is he DeShaun Watson 2.0? Texans still have a cloud looming over their head with the Watson saga, the Culley & Smith hiring/firings, and the Flores lawsuit.
It would take a guy like Payton to get Jackson here that’s for sure.
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I definitely see why the Texans and Cal are serious about his services. His presence alone can bring in a quality staff.
I still don’t see some amazing turnaround with this offense considering we lack top end talent at the skill positions (sans Pierce). We still need to replace Cooks’ production after he’s traded. You’ll have rookie Metchie, a disgruntled Collins, Akins, Chris Moore and a rookie draft pick.
I just don’t see us being a desired destination for top end WR FAs unless Lamar Jackson is part of the Payton deal.
Sure, money talks and we have cap space to bring the talent in. But I’d hate to overpay to get guys here and we’re right back to where we were like these past 4 seasons with the cap space being in bad shape.
Also, is Lamar Jackson the type of guy who wants the money no matter the organization paying to get him? Is he DeShaun Watson 2.0? Texans still have a cloud looming over their head with the Watson saga, the Culley & Smith hiring/firings, and the Flores lawsuit.
It would take a guy like Payton to get Jackson here that’s for sure.
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Why do you figure Collins is disgruntled?
You make a solid case for bringing him in as OC. You think he’ll be interested in that?
Sounds like his track record for finding DCs is about the same as his track record for finding QBs. 1
I was down for doing whatever to get Payton in Houston. Thanks to your arguments I have changed my mind. Thank you
Agreed. Firing Kubiak wasn’t the problem. It was time. He didn’t want to be here & I don’t blame him.
The problem was not having a vision of the team that would have included the good coaches Kubiak had on that staff. Not valuing them at all & bringing in a guy with a totally different philosophy
That’s why we needed someone, like a GM to steer the ship during that time. But Ricky wasn’t included in the HC search. Just Bob & Korn Ferry
This is a mistake they need to learn from & stop making. I don’t know if we have any good young coaches worth keeping over the last couple of years. Frank Ross, they should make keeping him a priority. Warhop, keeping him should be a priority (unless we can get Munchak). Things like that
That’s fine. We should hurry up and get our HC & try to get Kellen Moore for our OC.