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Texansballer74 said:
Pep has a track record of developing good young quarterbacks. He’s help develop Luck and Herbert. Right now Mills doesn’t possess the same talent as those guys.
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Luck started looking bad for a while before Pep was fired.........making bad reads and starting to throw INTs. Just like you have to give Pep credit for Luck's successes, you can't ignore his part in Luck's downturns.
 
WR Cooper Kupp was reported to have an "ankle injury" with not much detail. He has a significant high ankle fracture, but no one has mentioned if it were accompanied by a fibular fracture. He should undoubtedly go on IR. If it turns out that he sustained a fibular fracture, his season is over.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Pep has a track record of developing good young quarterbacks. He’s help develop Luck and Herbert. Right now Mills doesn’t possess the same talent as those guys.
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I don’t think Luck ever progressed into a true NFL QB. He was a talented guy on a talented team, he was a baller, just not a QB.

He was always going to have one injury or another the way he played
 
Texansballer74 said:
Pep has a track record of developing good young quarterbacks. He’s help develop Luck and Herbert. Right now Mills doesn’t possess the same talent as those guys.
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The QB's Pep Hamilton has worked with since 2010.

2021-2022 - Davis Mills
2020 - Herbert, 6th overall
2020 - Tyree Jackson and Cardale Jones (XFL). Tyree has never played an NFL snap as a QB and Jones has played 19 career snaps.
2018 - Shea Patterson - Michigan, undrafted and never made an NFL roster.
2017 - John O'Korn and Brandon Peters - Michigan, both undrafted and never made a roster.
2016 - Cody Kessler - Browns (his rookie season), 3rd rounder who's career lasted 3 seasons with 12 starts.
2013-2015 - Andrew Luck - Indy, overall #1.
2012 - Josh Nunes (retired from a weight lifting accident) and Kevin Hogan - Stanford, 1 career start, played 7 snaps for the Titans last year, his 1st action since 2017, signed and cut by the Texans this past off-season.
And of course, 2010-2011 - Andrew Luck again at Stanford.

The only QB's he's had success with are the very top end of the draft guys, Luck and Herbert. That's it. I don't know why people think he's some kind of QB guru.
 
Speedy said:
The QB's Pep Hamilton has worked with since 2010.

2021-2022 - Davis Mills
2020 - Herbert, 6th overall
2020 - Tyree Jackson and Cardale Jones (XFL). Tyree has never played an NFL snap as a QB and Jones has played 19 career snaps.
2018 - Shea Patterson - Michigan, undrafted and never made an NFL roster.
2017 - John O'Korn and Brandon Peters - Michigan, both undrafted and never made a roster.
2016 - Cody Kessler - Browns (his rookie season), 3rd rounder who's career lasted 3 seasons with 12 starts.
2013-2015 - Andrew Luck - Indy, overall #1.
2012 - Josh Nunes (retired from a weight lifting accident) and Kevin Hogan - Stanford, 1 career start, played 7 snaps for the Titans last year, his 1st action since 2017, signed and cut by the Texans this past off-season.
And of course, 2010-2011 - Andrew Luck again at Stanford.

The only QB's he's had success with are the very top end of the draft guys, Luck and Herbert. That's it. I don't know why people think he's some kind of QB guru.
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It took me seeing it up close to agree with this.
 
TexansBull said:
I don’t have confidence in our current coaching regime to develop a rookie QB. Better to wait for them to be let go and let the new regime pick and develop rookie QB. Would be an enticement for potential HCs.

That would be looking beyond one season.
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If the QB that Caserio wants is in the 2023 draft and the Texans sit at 1.1, then you do whatever you have to do with the staff to support that pick.

I don't care if it's cleaning out the entire coaching staff after one season.

You rebuild the staff in January knowing that it will be about building the line, obtaining skill position players, and whatever tools the young QB needs to learn the NFL game.

THAT would be looking beyond one season.

JB said:
Unless he were to get Carr'd that first couple years
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I agree. Picking a QB in 2002 wasn't the mistake. It was making him the starter before the pre-season so they could market him. And then doing nothing to support the guy, from lack of a dedicated QB coach to forcing him to play behind a Swiss cheese o-line.

If the QB that Caserio wants is in the 2023 draft and the Texans sit at 1.1, then pick him and "red shirt" his first year in order to continue to build the team that can both protect him and help him develop. You find the best o-line and QB coaches in the NFL and PAY THEM.

If the Texans do not learn from their history, they are doomed to failure and there is no hope in the Texans fanbase. The lesson is not avoiding taking a QB at 1.1. The lesson is to avoid being a stupid franchise that makes that investment and then does nothing to protect and develop that talent.
 
thunderkyss said:
Agreed. I just don’t see Lovie lasting past 2023. I just hate the idea of hiring a coach to “fix” the QB the previous coach drafted. Then you’re giving him a pass the first couple of years until he gets his QB & it’s 2026 before we can start our rebuild that we should have started in 2022
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Doesn't that say that Lovie should not be here for the 2023 season? Let the new head coach draft the quarterback he wants.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Why would the Texans pass on Young for a DE though? I could see it if the Texas fell in love with a different QB that they thought they could land at the Raiders spot.

While McDaniels could be playing the long game, he is also being hamstrung by the God awful drafts that happened before he got the job. I think most of the first rounders have been cut at this point. Big dearth of talent.
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I would trade pick one for pick two plus Maxx Crosby in a blink. He turned out exactly as I thought he was when I mocked him to Houston.
 
Double Barrel said:
If the QB that Caserio wants is in the 2023 draft and the Texans sit at 1.1, then you do whatever you have to do with the staff to support that pick.

I don't care if it's cleaning out the entire coaching staff after one season.

You rebuild the staff in January knowing that it will be about building the line, obtaining skill position players, and whatever tools the young QB needs to learn the NFL game.

THAT would be looking beyond one season.



I agree. Picking a QB in 2002 wasn't the mistake. It was making him the starter before the pre-season so they could market him. And then doing nothing to support the guy, from lack of a dedicated QB coach to forcing him to play behind a Swiss cheese o-line.

If the QB that Caserio wants is in the 2023 draft and the Texans sit at 1.1, then pick him and "red shirt" his first year in order to continue to build the team that can both protect him and help him develop. You find the best o-line and QB coaches in the NFL and PAY THEM.

If the Texans do not learn from their history, they are doomed to failure and there is no hope in the Texans fanbase. The lesson is not avoiding taking a QB at 1.1. The lesson is to avoid being a stupid franchise that makes that investment and then does nothing to protect and develop that talent.
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This! The Texans were more interested in David Carr selling tickets and being the face of the franchise than they were in making him into a good franchise quarterback.
 
Double Barrel said:
I agree. Picking a QB in 2002 wasn't the mistake. It was making him the starter before the pre-season so they could market him. And then doing nothing to support the guy, from lack of a dedicated QB coach to forcing him to play behind a Swiss cheese o-line.

If the QB that Caserio wants is in the 2023 draft and the Texans sit at 1.1, then pick him and "red shirt" his first year in order to continue to build the team that can both protect him and help him develop. You find the best o-line and QB coaches in the NFL and PAY THEM.
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I agree, with one caveat, I don't agree the Texans did "nothing to support him" they did nothing that worked. But to me, that goes back to naming Carr the starter so early.

Now we've got an OL that should be able to protect our QB. But they struggle with the blitz (& that's really more than just the OL).

But if you get a QB that relies heavily on his athleticism, the type that sack themselves more times than not, you'll just end up in an endless chicken & egg situation if your talent/coaching evaluators don't do their job. Which has been a big problem with the Texans for a long time & appears to continue to be a problem.
 
badboy said:
Doesn't that say that Lovie should not be here for the 2023 season? Let the new head coach draft the quarterback he wants.
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Yes, but I don't see the Texans firing another coach after one season & expecting to attract a guy with career aspirations.

If I had my rathers, Lovie would get his head out of his butt & start coaching. When we play poor teams, we need to look competitive. The Giants are +6 in point differential. Every game they've won, basically, was won by 6 points. The Texans were two scores behind from the end of the third qtr on & it wasn't even in question.

You can point to this turnover, or that turnover, but that's the game. That's the way it plays.

That said, I do believe in continuity. We're not building crap if we're changing coaches, especially the coordinators & even more so the HC, which usually comes with new coordinators, every year. We're starting over every time.

The Commanches score 19 ppg. Watch them score 30 next Sunday.
 
thunderkyss said:
Yes, but I don't see the Texans firing another coach after one season & expecting to attract a guy with career aspirations.

If I had my rathers, Lovie would get his head out of his butt & start coaching. When we play poor teams, we need to look competitive. The Giants are +6 in point differential. Every game they've won, basically, was won by 6 points. The Texans were two scores behind from the end of the third qtr on & it wasn't even in question.

You can point to this turnover, or that turnover, but that's the game. That's the way it plays.

That said, I do believe in continuity. We're not building crap if we're changing coaches, especially the coordinators & even more so the HC, which usually comes with new coordinators, every year. We're starting over every time.

The Commanches score 19 ppg. Watch them score 30 next Sunday.
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Did you see the Texans firing David Culley after one season? I did not but was ecstatic.

All employees regardless of their career aspiration should expect that career to depend on their productivity. Smith needs to get his head out of his asspiration. If only I felt that was his issue.

Agree on turnovers but those must lead to points and they just have not. Have gone from O'Brien disaster to a first-year head coach with minimal experience that casinos would have not given any odds on to Mr Smith and have accomplished exactly the same.. high draft picks. I am just fed up with it.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Luck started looking bad for a while before Pep was fired.........making bad reads and starting to throw INTs. Just like you have to give Pep credit for Luck's successes, you can't ignore his part in Luck's downturns.
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Yep, there's a reason Pep got fired in the middle of the season.

There'sa poster (Cant remember who) who warned us about Pep being overrated.
 
badboy said:
Did you see the Texans firing David Culley after one season? I did not but was ecstatic.

All employees regardless of their career aspiration should expect that career to depend on their productivity. Smith needs to get his head out of his asspiration. If only I felt that was his issue.

Agree on turnovers but those must lead to points and they just have not. Have gone from O'Brien disaster to a first-year head coach with minimal experience that casinos would have not given any odds on to Mr Smith and have accomplished exactly the same.. high draft picks. I am just fed up with it.
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Looking back Cal should've just kept Culley for this yr. He did get the most out of his teams talent than Lovie's gotten out of his teams talent.



Double Barrel said:
If the QB that Caserio wants is in the 2023 draft and the Texans sit at 1.1, then you do whatever you have to do with the staff to support that pick.

I don't care if it's cleaning out the entire coaching staff after one season.

You rebuild the staff in January knowing that it will be about building the line, obtaining skill position players, and whatever tools the young QB needs to learn the NFL game.

THAT would be looking beyond one season.



I agree. Picking a QB in 2002 wasn't the mistake. It was making him the starter before the pre-season so they could market him. And then doing nothing to support the guy, from lack of a dedicated QB coach to forcing him to play behind a Swiss cheese o-line.

If the QB that Caserio wants is in the 2023 draft and the Texans sit at 1.1, then pick him and "red shirt" his first year in order to continue to build the team that can both protect him and help him develop. You find the best o-line and QB coaches in the NFL and PAY THEM.

If the Texans do not learn from their history, they are doomed to failure and there is no hope in the Texans fanbase. The lesson is not avoiding taking a QB at 1.1. The lesson is to avoid being a stupid franchise that makes that investment and then does nothing to protect and develop that talent.
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What I hope doesn't happen is Cal makes Caserio do what his Daddy made Casserly do, draft a QB, Carr over aDE like Peppers. I could see history repeating itself.

I hope they dont draft a midget or an Ohio St. QB. But if Cal makes Caserio do it I hope the fire the current staff and hire Kalfkaor Ken Dorsey. Then draft pieces that can help the QB succeed.

1-1 Young
1-10 Johnston
2-32 Washington
3-65 Achane
3-75 Stromberg or Patterson

This would go a long way to helping Young succeed, unlike what happened with Carr. Defense be damned and add defense in the 2024 draft.
 
steelbtexan said:
Looking back Cal should've just kept Culley for this yr. He did get the most out of his teams talent than Lovie's gotten out of his teams talent.





What I hope doesn't happen is Cal makes Caserio do what his Daddy made Casserly do, draft a QB, Carr over aDE like Peppers. I could see history repeating itself.

I hope they dont draft a midget or an Ohio St. QB. But if Cal makes Caserio do it I hope the fire the current staff and hire Kalfkaor Ken Dorsey. Then draft pieces that can help the QB succeed.

1-1 Young
1-10 Johnston
2-32 Washington
3-65 Achane
3-75 Stromberg or Patterson

This would go a long way to helping Young succeed, unlike what happened with Carr. Defense be damned and add defense in the 2024 draft.
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If Cal/Caserio pull the trigger on Young or Stroud….then they need to make this a strong offensive focused draft.

Personally, I think it would be a horrible move knowing the offense would be forced to play from behind in most games. Not the way to groom a young unit.
 
thunderkyss said:
I agree, with one caveat, I don't agree the Texans did "nothing to support him" they did nothing that worked. But to me, that goes back to naming Carr the starter so early.

Now we've got an OL that should be able to protect our QB. But they struggle with the blitz (& that's really more than just the OL).

But if you get a QB that relies heavily on his athleticism, the type that sack themselves more times than not, you'll just end up in an endless chicken & egg situation if your talent/coaching evaluators don't do their job. Which has been a big problem with the Texans for a long time & appears to continue to be a problem.
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Good points. I guess I would ask what did the Texans FO do to support him? Because I do not recall much of anything in that regard.

They never had a dedication QB coach for Carr. That alone should tell you that Casserly and Capers were moronic. The line was patchwork and should have been tested with Tony Banks as QB while Carr developed.

steelbtexan said:
Looking back Cal should've just kept Culley for this yr. He did get the most out of his teams talent than Lovie's gotten out of his teams talent.

What I hope doesn't happen is Cal makes Caserio do what his Daddy made Casserly do, draft a QB, Carr over aDE like Peppers. I could see history repeating itself.

I hope they dont draft a midget or an Ohio St. QB. But if Cal makes Caserio do it I hope the fire the current staff and hire Kalfkaor Ken Dorsey. Then draft pieces that can help the QB succeed.

1-1 Young
1-10 Johnston
2-32 Washington
3-65 Achane
3-75 Stromberg or Patterson

This would go a long way to helping Young succeed, unlike what happened with Carr. Defense be damned and add defense in the 2024 draft.
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Yep. I agree.

That's why I prefaced my points with "If the QB that Caserio wants is in the 2023 draft and the Texans sit at 1.1", simply because it should be 100% GM pick if he truly believes that's his QB of the future.

Otherwise, continue to build the team (especially the trenches) in anticipation of the 2024 draft for a potential QB of the future.

The LAST thing that should happen on draft day is Cal McNair's opinion to make that pick. If that happens in any regard, then these owners have learned nothing in two decades and it honestly becomes a point of why even bother following this franchise. They would always be plagued by misguided, meddling owners that are not qualified to make talent evaluations and decisions.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Vrabel is developing a HC coaching pipeline. Matt Lafleur and Arthur Smith both went from OC to HC.

Todd Downing likely not far behind. Vrabel is doing a heck of a coaching job…. imagine if the Texans had promoted him and got rid of OB before he had the chance to leave for his first HC job?
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Well this didn’t age well!


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Report: Todd Downing arrested for DUI early Friday morning

The Titans had reasons to celebrate last night's win over the Packers.
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NFL has contacted Titans, will review Todd Downing situation

The timeline doesn't look good.
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NFL memo threatens “significant discipline” for violations of league’s alcohol policy
Posted by Charean Williams on November 18, 2022, 6:30 PM EST

When the Houston Astros clinched the World Series earlier this month, they celebrated with 250 bottles of expensive champagne. Other sports also celebrate championships with alcohol. The NFL does not.
The league has a longstanding policy prohibiting alcohol at team facilities, in locker rooms and while traveling on team planes and buses.

It’s become obvious with several recent high-profile incidents and from social media posts on team planes that the policy is being violated.

The league sent a memo to its teams Friday threatening “significant discipline” for violating the policy.

“In light of recent events, clubs are reminded that league policy prohibits alcoholic beverages, including beer, in the locker rooms, practice or office facilities, or while traveling on team buses or planes at any time during the preseason, regular season or postseason. This applies to all players, coaches, club personnel, and guests traveling with your team,” the league wrote, via NFL Media. “This policy has been in place for many years. Making alcohol available at club facilities or while traveling creates significant and unnecessary risks to the league, its players, coaches and others. Violations of this important policy will be taken seriously and will result in significant discipline.

“Each club should ensure that its travel arrangements do not include providing alcohol service at any time and should also take appropriate steps to confirm that alcohol (whether beer or any other alcoholic beverage) is not available at its facility. Please direct all further questions on this subject to Management Council of Football Operations.”

The memo came 24 hours after the DUI arrest of Titans offensive coordinator Todd Downing following his team’s win over the Packers in Green Bay. Coach Mike Vrabel would not say whether alcohol was available on the team plane.
After the Commanders’ win over the Eagles on Monday night, Washington quarterback Taylor Heinicke was seen in a video on a social media post with a beer in hand.

And former Chiefs assistant Britt Reid was driving while intoxicated on the way home from the team facility in February 2021 when he caused serious bodily injury to a 5-year-old girl. Earlier this month, Reid was sentenced to three years in prison.


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Of course, no mention of what facade discipline was meted out.

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Commanders disciplined players for consuming alcohol on team plane, satisfying the NFL
Posted by Charean Williams on November 18, 2022, 6:54 PM EST

Members of the 1972 Dolphins popped the cork on champagne bottles Monday night after the Commanders defeated the NFL’s final undefeated team. Every team now has a loss after the Eagles were upset, assuring the Dolphins’ perfect season remains the only perfect season in the Super Bowl era.

The Commanders celebrated, too, on their way home, but what happened on their team charter didn’t stay on their team charter.


Quarterback Taylor Heinicke was caught holding Busch Light cans on at least two videos on social media posts. The NFL prohibits alcohol on team charters, among other places, and sent a memo to its teams Friday threatening “significant discipline” for violations.

The Washington Post reports coach Ron Rivera addressed the violation in a team meeting, and on Tuesday, he reached out to the league after the Commanders disciplined multiple players. The team’s punishment of the players satisfied the league.

“The league reviewed the matter this week, and we are satisfied with the discipline administered by the club. There will be no further action taken by the league,” league spokesman Brian McCarthy told the Post.
 
Speedy said:
The QB's Pep Hamilton has worked with since 2010.

2021-2022 - Davis Mills
2020 - Herbert, 6th overall
2020 - Tyree Jackson and Cardale Jones (XFL). Tyree has never played an NFL snap as a QB and Jones has played 19 career snaps.
2018 - Shea Patterson - Michigan, undrafted and never made an NFL roster.
2017 - John O'Korn and Brandon Peters - Michigan, both undrafted and never made a roster.
2016 - Cody Kessler - Browns (his rookie season), 3rd rounder who's career lasted 3 seasons with 12 starts.
2013-2015 - Andrew Luck - Indy, overall #1.
2012 - Josh Nunes (retired from a weight lifting accident) and Kevin Hogan - Stanford, 1 career start, played 7 snaps for the Titans last year, his 1st action since 2017, signed and cut by the Texans this past off-season.
And of course, 2010-2011 - Andrew Luck again at Stanford.

The only QB's he's had success with are the very top end of the draft guys, Luck and Herbert. That's it. I don't know why people think he's some kind of QB guru.
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What you're saying is no matter how good you claim to be, you need players, period. That's at every level of sports, especially football. I don't think there is such a thing as a qb whisperer. Even Andy Reid who I hold in the highest regard had McNabb #3,Kolb top 2nd rd, Vick former 1st overall, Smith former 1st overall and now Mahomes #10. You need players,period.
 
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Deandre Hopkin suffered another hamstring tear in week 10. If he tries to play, he will be likely looking at missing multiple games in the future.
 
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November 21, 2022​
Author HeadshotBy Eric Lipton
Good morning. The fastest expansion of legalized gambling in U.S. history has upended the sports landscape.​
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Lobbyists kept tabs on sports betting legislation in Kansas in April.Amir Hamja for The New York Times​
A boom​
Four years ago, betting on live sports was illegal in most of the United States. Now, fans watching games or attending them at stadiums are barraged with advertisements encouraging them to bet on matchups, not just watch as spectators.​
This transformation in sports betting started nearly a decade ago, at first with the explosion of wagering on fantasy sports. Then in 2018, the Supreme Court cleared the way for states to legalize wagers on live games. Today, 31 states and Washington, D.C., permit sports gambling either online or in person, and five more states have passed laws that will allow such betting in the future. Professional sports in the U.S. now are part of a multibillion-dollar corporate gambling enterprise.​
This shift represents the largest expansion of gambling in United States history. Several of my Times colleagues and I spent months investigating how the industry expanded, and today I want to highlight some of our findings.​
Unmet promises​
Once sports betting was more broadly legalized, casinos teamed up with sports betting platforms like FanDuel and DraftKings, along with the major professional sports teams, to go state by state to push lawmakers to embrace it. Part of their tool kit for persuasion? Millions of dollars in contributions from the sports betting companies and their allies to those lawmakers’ campaigns for office.​
We found that gambling industry representatives had told legislators they could expect to see significant tax benefits from sports betting. In many states, that windfall has fallen short.​
Take Michigan, home to the Detroit Tigers, Lions, Red Wings and Pistons professional teams, along with another two dozen college athletics N.C.A.A. programs — in short, a whole lot of sports to bet on. Online sports betting started in that state in January 2021, and the American Gaming Association predicted that state legislators could expect to see more than $40 million a year in tax revenues. What has Michigan collected in the last year? Just $21 million in state and local taxes, according to the Michigan Gaming Control Board.​
The gambling industry also pressed states to keep tax rates low on sports betting, warning that if the states pushed rates too high, sports fans would turn to the black market to place bets on unregulated sites. Those warnings were misplaced. Some states, including New York and New Hampshire, ignored the industry’s advice and installed the highest tax rates on betting. They have seen bets placed at a higher rate per capita than many low-tax states. New York has seen so much betting — even with a high tax rate of 51 percent — that the state has collected an extraordinary $546 million in taxes in the first 10 months of this year. That amount is half of all the state tax revenues on sports betting nationwide.​
Little oversight​
Many of the states also allowed the gambling industry to give out hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of tax-free bets to gamblers, essentially marketing the industry. The promotions are intended to entice new customers to form a new habit: placing wagers on games. It is the modern-day equivalent of the free bus ride to Atlantic City casinos with a roll of quarters thrown in for the slots. Arizona sports betting operators alone gave out $205 million in free bets. But for states, the result was large shortfalls in expected tax revenues in places like Michigan and Virginia. Some, Virginia included, moved to curtail the tax-free bets.​
The promotions were one example of how regulators were outmatched in trying to oversee the industry as it grew so rapidly. Rule enforcement was scattershot, punishments were light or rare, and regulators often looked to the gambling industry to police itself.​
One casino company, Penn Entertainment, teamed up with David Portnoy, the founder of Barstool Sports, who has a history of misogynistic and racist behavior, turning him into a public spokesman for sports betting.​
University involvement​
To market their expansion of sports betting, gambling sites reached unusual agreements with at least eight universities, including Michigan State, the University of Colorado at Boulder and Louisiana State University. The schools became partners with the companies in exchange for millions of dollars in payments. These deals generated questions about whether promoting gambling on campus — especially to people who are at an age when they are vulnerable to developing gambling disorders — fits the mission of higher education.​
More to come​
At least $161 billion in wagers have been placed since sports betting was broadly legalized in the United States. This explosion of gambling is just the start. Betting companies have made clear that the ultimate goal is to bring so-called iGaming to states across the nation, where customers can use their mobile phones to play blackjack, poker and other casino-style games.​
The Times investigation​
 
Mike Williams suffered a high ankle sprain yesterday. This is what happens when you try to bring a player, especially a skill player......especially a big, tall WR too soon. He suffered a serious Grade II high ankle sprain in week 7 and only returned to practice last week (after only 3 weeks) with only 1 of them being a limited practice during a contact practice.
 
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