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Mr teX said:
At a bare minimum get the talent level up much higher than it is now..So that whomever is eventually brought in, they have the best shot possible. Bringing in a kid right now…you’re basically saying you’re throwing his 1st 2 years of development in the dumpster. He has very little weaponry to work with on the offensive side and his defense aint much further along.
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And 1 to 2 years of a rookie QB contract.
 
amazing80 said:
So some of you think we should avoid trying to upgrade our QB because the team around the position is trash LOL. You guys are crazy. By the time this entire team is good, we will waste their prime waiting for a QB to figure out the league. They need to do both simultaneously. This was the year to have a bridge QB, not the next 4.
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It’s not about getting the entire team good. It’s about having less holes on the team.

Fill more of the holes this draft. We may still have a hole here and there just like other teams when they draft a QB high but not as many as we now. The following draft fill some of the remaining holes and draft your QB of the future.

The new QB will be set up better for success.

I don’t know why this is confusing.
 
76Texan said:
Were you able to identify guys like Allen, Burrow, and Herbert?
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Burrow and Herbert I was.

I was all over Burrow and I liked Herbert more than Tua, and especially after Beerlover told me to keep a close eye on him at the Sr. Bowl. I didn't like Allen as much because of his accuracy issues. But Jim Miller predicted he would be the best QB in that draft. Now I pay much closer attention when Miller talks about QB's.
 
leebigeztx said:
They ran it back with the same group that wasn't that good last year. Kirkskey,KGH are all trash. Lopez and Hinish are breather guys. You can sign Ray Lewis in his prime and it wouldn't matter. Remember Lewis was on skates when they let Adams and Goose go post superbowl ?They keep wasting time with these older guys who wouldn't get as much time for any other team in nfl. You better get ready for some Clemson trash because some of the highest rated interior dl players play for Clemson.
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Give me Carter or Ika.

Clemson actually has a pretty good record when it comes to developing DL and they dont seem to be too much trouble with their choice of agents and stuff. (Minus Farrell) If Breese was the pick I wouldn't hate on the pick, but he would have to prove to me he wasn't Clemson trash.

Like I said, give me proven guys like Carter and Ika.
 
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amazing80 said:
If you see a QB you like you draft him. Plenty of QBs have gone to bad situations only to help turn things around. Plenty of QBs have been touted as the next best thing and completely flopped. It's a crap shoot. Take the guy you like when available. Otherwise, you risk getting stuck with garbage.
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Plenty more promising qb prospects have gone to bad situations & either failed to develop...........got beaten to hell to the point of shell shock and/or retirement.....,moved on the instance they could from a bad team. Bottom line, For every “successful” one of these situations y’all pull out of yall asses, i can name 20 where the opposite happened & i don't have to go any further than the Browns to prove that point.

Texansballer74 said:
You still can draft your quarterback next year. Snatch up an elite pass rusher. Then follow that up with 2 LB’s and another offensive linemen.

Now you can have that rookie quarterback sit and learn. If Mills still doesn’t show he’s the guy. You have your quarterback who won’t be rushed into the action like most of this group wants.
You have 11 draft picks. Nick has showed everyone on here that he has a great eye for talent.
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Or......you can do what KC did before they drafted Mahomes where Kelce, Hill and a pretty good o-line was in place before Mahomes was even drafted.
Or..... How about the Steelers who had a whole stout defense in place and vet WR group before they brought in Big Ben to basically be a game manager all the way to a SB
Or......a whole host of other teams that were built in reverse fashion and had success

Furthermore, If you're going to draft a qb high in the 1st round next year......& then have him sit for a year or whatever, WTH is the difference in just waiting to draft that guy in 2024 & bringing him in to be the starter that year when the talent level is a bit better than where it is now? The other end to this is you don't know what can happen.

Say Mills or whoever gets hurt like what happened wit Mills & Herbert..BOTH times Tyrod Taylor.....you're plan is blown up then b/c that rook is pressed into action now. What happens if Mills with a bit more talent around him DOES show he's got something & it begins to click? Now you've got this qb on the sideline that you've committed major draft capital to that you HAVE to give the reins to........& you have NO IDEA if he can be your guy or if he's even gonna be an upgrade over your veteran in Mills. You're essentially back to square one...This somewhat happened with the 49ers with Jimmy G and Trey Lance. Best to only draft the guy when you're ready to play him.
 
All you need to know is this....
Raiders drive before the half - 10 plays 82 yds., TD
Next three drives...10 plays 75 yds., TD
7 plays 76 yds., TD
7 plays 81 yds., TD

If that doesn't say "defense sucks" I don't know what does. That is flat out High School like. Pathetic
 
Brisco_County said:
Yep. As is normal, there are a few consensus opinions, most of which directly conflict. Nothing wrong with that as long as the debate is rational. But then again, this is football and testerone is an angry hormone.

My opinion is Mills has a lot of ability and was less developed than most QB's, then he had to start over with a new playbook, so continuing with his development is justified. Spend the 2023 picks on elite pass rushers, LB's, and O-line.
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I'm really liking Will Anderson in the 2023 draft more and more. The guy kind of has the same skill set as Micah Parson, with maybe a little less cover range. Power to bull rush 310 defensive tackles, but the speed/skill to set the edge. Can probably make plays on the second level in coverage when needed. This team needs that guy more than anything right now... It all depends on how Mills plays through the rest of the season. If he indeed 'upped his game' and the LV game is the new relative baseline, I don't see how this team doesn't load up at DE/OLB, TE, WR1 etc and forgo taking a QB in 2023. He will deserve to be the starter and continue to be developed to see if he can develop into a Derek Carr caliber QB, which I think he can be. If Mills doesn't improve, a tougher decision will be required.
 
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austins23 said:
All you need to know is this....
Raiders drive before the half - 10 plays 82 yds., TD
Next three drives...10 plays 75 yds., TD
7 plays 76 yds., TD
7 plays 81 yds., TD

If that doesn't say "defense sucks" I don't know what does. That is flat out High School like. Pathetic
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It wasn't just that the Texans defense sucked, it was the way they sucked. The whole DLine was getting blown off the ball every time. I don't think Jacobs had more than 2 carries under 5 yards the whole 2nd half. There was no edge on either side so Jacobs kept bouncing out for what were designed inside runs for huge yardage (or up the gut for huge yardage - whatever he wanted). Under those conditions, Derek Carr had his pick of Adams, Renfrow and Moreau. It was gdamn embarassing seeing the line get blown off the ball. And Pitre was too damn small to really get into the mix where he needed to be to make a tackle consistently.
 
Here I was ready for the Texans to draft Anderson or another top defensive player with their first pick then use the next 2 or 3 picks on skill positions. Yeah the defense this year has thrown that out the window.
 
steelbtexan said:
That's more on the philosophy and playcalling than anything else. (Like 3rd down and 9 screen passes to Cooks) It's kinda hard to score when the other team is mud stomping your front 7 and keeps the ball most of the 2nd half because you cant stop the run and the one posession you get down one score in the 4th your OC tries a cute formation on 4th and 1 and your OG jumps offside. That's directly on the playcaller. That leads to a punt and because the defense cant stop the run the Raiders run the ball down the Texans throats taking 6 mins off of the clock and shortening the game to a 6 min game with the Texans needing 2 scores, which lead to Mills having to take chances and the pick 6. But you already know all of this and I think you just wanted to see if I would do a bunch of typing. I did, Touche you win the troll award.
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What does the formation have anything to do with the guard jumping offsides? Other teams throw screens on 3rd and long with success, but not the Texans. I'm not saying i would've done it, but we see it works. Lopez being JD Clowney was a pivotal moment too.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
How about Caserio find out what the Colts would take for QB- Nick Foles before the deadline. Me, I think a RD6 pick in 2023 or a RD5 in 2024 could probably get a trade done. Mills would finally have a respected QB2 mentor to help him navigate the development process.

To push Mills…..2023 would be an open competition for QB1. I’d let it be known that both QB’s would be kept regardless of the outcome. Win-win opportunity for both QB’s.

I’d also be knocking on the Jets door to find out what they’re wanting for WR- Denzel Mims. They dressed him for the first time this season and didn’t really target him during the game. I believe the Jets would be happy to part ways with Mims for a fair price. I’d offer them a RD4 in 2023 or RD3 in 2024…..let them choose their preferred option.
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Yes moves worthy of consideration, especially anything that would be helpful in aiding Mills in his maturation process.
I dunno Op-Tex what's a fair price IYO for Denzel Mims ?
 
ben.aires.smith said:
I'm really liking Will Anderson in the 2023 draft more and more. The guy kind of has the same skill set as Micah Parson, with maybe a little less cover range. Power to bull rush 310 defensive tackles, but the speed/skill to set the edge. Can probably make plays on the second level in coverage when needed. This team needs that guy more than anything right now... It all depends on how Mills plays through the rest of the season. If he indeed 'upped his game' and the LV game is the new relative baseline, I don't see how this team doesn't load up at DE/OLB, TE, WR1 etc and forgo taking a QB in 2023. He will deserve to be the starter and continue to be developed to see if he can develop into a Derek Carr caliber QB, which I think he can be. If Mills doesn't improve, a tougher decision will be required.
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Anderson isn't in Parson orbit in terms of an athlete. To note, has anyone of those de prospects under saban been anything in nfl?
 
steelbtexan said:
Give me Carter or Ika.

Clemson actually has a pretty good record when it comes to developing DL and they dont seem to be too much trouble with their choice of agents and stuff. (Minus Farrell) If Breese was the pick I wouldn't hate on the pick, but he would have to prove to me he wasn't Clemson trash.

Like I said, give me proven guys like Carter and Ika.
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So you would take a mediocre player because of agent choice vs a game changer?
 
76Texan said:
You weren't all that enamored with Wilson either.
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Russell Wilson?

He's benefitted from being on a really good team.

I wasn't very high on Patrick Mahomes either, but I believe Mahomes has progressed to the NFL a lot faster than Wilson.
 
76Texan said:
Were you able to identify guys like Allen, Burrow, and Herbert?
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It really doesn't matter if I did or didn't. If I were drafting those years, Herbert was the only one that moved the needle for me, so I'd have passed on Burrow & Allen. I'd kick myself in the butt over passing on Allen, but not so bad if I had Herbert.

But the point is if Caserio sees a guy he has to have, he needs to go get him. If he doesn't I'm not going to be mad if Bryce Young wins a Super Bowl as a rookie on a team that's dead last in running the ball & stopping the run.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Burrow and Herbert I was.

I was all over Burrow and I liked Herbert more than Tua, and especially after Beerlover told me to keep a close eye on him at the Sr. Bowl. I didn't like Allen as much because of his accuracy issues. But Jim Miller predicted he would be the best QB in that draft. Now I pay much closer attention when Miller talks about QB's.
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With Burrough and Herbert you said you didn't know about the organization. Which part of the point is, players can't overcome bad organizations.
 
steelbtexan said:
That's more on the philosophy and playcalling than anything else. (Like 3rd down and 9 screen passes to Cooks) It's kinda hard to score when the other team is mud stomping your front 7 and keeps the ball most of the 2nd half because you cant stop the run and the one posession you get down one score in the 4th your OC tries a cute formation on 4th and 1 and your OG jumps offside. That's directly on the playcaller. That leads to a punt and because the defense cant stop the run the Raiders run the ball down the Texans throats taking 6 mins off of the clock and shortening the game to a 6 min game with the Texans needing 2 scores, which lead to Mills having to take chances and the pick 6. But you already know all of this and I think you just wanted to see if I would do a bunch of typing. I did, Touche you win the troll award.
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This seems like a recap of many games from the 2020 season that led to 4-12. Good to see posters are more open minded about how a defense impacts an offense and the W-L record.
 
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IDEXAN said:
Yes moves worthy of consideration, especially anything that would be helpful in aiding Mills in his maturation process.
I dunno Op-Tex what's a fair price IYO for Denzel Mims ?
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A RD4 or RD3 for a player who’s fallen out of favor with the Jets.
 
Earl34 said:
This seems like a recap of many games from the 2020 season that led to 4-12. Good to see posters are more open minded about how a defense impacts an offense and the W-L record.
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Not really, I've never seen a team that gets run on like the current Texans team. The 2020 team was a score fast, give up fast type team.
 
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leebigeztx said:
So you would take a mediocre player because of agent choice vs a game changer?
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Nope, if things were close, which in this case they are, then I'm staying far away from having to deal with trash. Just a life philosophy of mine.
 
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leebigeztx said:
What does the formation have anything to do with the guard jumping offsides? Other teams throw screens on 3rd and long with success, but not the Texans. I'm not saying i would've done it, but we see it works. Lopez being JD Clowney was a pivotal moment too.
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I would say lining your OT out on the hashes on a 3rh and less than 1 is giving your team a greater chance to screw up.
 
steelbtexan said:
Not really, I've never seen a team that gets run on like the current Texans team. The 2020 team was a score fast, give up fast type team.
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I guess you're not remembering because that 2020 defense gave up 288 (Titans), 263 (Titans), 231 (Browns) and 230 (Ravens) yards rushing. They even had another 5 games where they gave up at least 160 yards but less than 200 rushing.
 
leebigeztx said:
So under no circumstances would you want Micah Parson correct?
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Is he represented by The trash that represents Derrick? Can't wait to see what they do after Parsons signs his next contract and then requests a trade 6 months later. Same with Ramsey.
 
thunderkyss said:
Russell Wilson?

He's benefitted from being on a really good team.

I wasn't very high on Patrick Mahomes either, but I believe Mahomes has progressed to the NFL a lot faster than Wilson.
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Read some posts on this thread where I detailed the situation Wilson was in when he first arrived to the Seahawks.

Starting with post 259

2023 Davis Mills vs Bryce Young

C'mon bro. Seattle,Minnesota, San Diego? Yep! The Chargers had a down year in 2019 which allowed them to get Herbert but the year before that they went 12-4. Minnesota went 13-3 before adding Cousins. Seattle was going 7-9 for a couple years but figured they were only a QB away which is why...
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Then onto posts 303, 306, and 308.

In summary, Wilson's 489 rushing yards would have been the most on the Texans last year, not to mention the 5.2 yard average (I believe it also include the minus yards from the sack).

The Seahawks 536 rushing attempts were the most in the league.
This helped them chew out the clock and keep the defense off the field.

Look at how they lost to the Falcons in the playoffs.

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Divisional Round - Seattle Seahawks at Atlanta Falcons - January 13th, 2013 | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Seattle Seahawks 28 at Atlanta Falcons 30 on January 13th, 2013 - Full team and player stats and box score
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Wilson did all he could have done both through the air and on the ground.

The Falcons had the ball with 31 seconds left and the Seahawks D allowed them to get down to kick the winning FG.
 
thunderkyss said:
Russell Wilson?

He's benefitted from being on a really good team.

I wasn't very high on Patrick Mahomes either, but I believe Mahomes has progressed to the NFL a lot faster than Wilson.
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That’s because of coaching. Andy is one of the best offensive minded head coaches in NFL history. He has a elite eye for talent that brings great value to his offensive philosophy.
 
76Texan said:
Read some posts on this thread where I detailed the situation Wilson was in when he first arrived to the Seahawks.

Starting with post 259

2023 Davis Mills vs Bryce Young

C'mon bro. Seattle,Minnesota, San Diego? Yep! The Chargers had a down year in 2019 which allowed them to get Herbert but the year before that they went 12-4. Minnesota went 13-3 before adding Cousins. Seattle was going 7-9 for a couple years but figured they were only a QB away which is why...
www.texanstalk.com

Then onto posts 303, 306, and 308.

In summary, Wilson's 489 rushing yards would have been the most on the Texans last year, not to mention the 5.2 yard average (I believe it also include the minus yards from the sack).

The Seahawks 536 rushing attempts were the most in the league.
This helped them chew out the clock and keep the defense off the field.

Look at how they lost to the Falcons in the playoffs.

www.pro-football-reference.com

Divisional Round - Seattle Seahawks at Atlanta Falcons - January 13th, 2013 | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Seattle Seahawks 28 at Atlanta Falcons 30 on January 13th, 2013 - Full team and player stats and box score
www.pro-football-reference.com www.pro-football-reference.com

Wilson did all he could have done both through the air and on the ground.

The Falcons had the ball with 31 seconds left and the Seahawks D allowed them to get down to kick the winning FG.
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What point are you trying to prove?
 
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thunderkyss said:
It really doesn't matter if I did or didn't. If I were drafting those years, Herbert was the only one that moved the needle for me, so I'd have passed on Burrow & Allen. I'd kick myself in the butt over passing on Allen, but not so bad if I had Herbert.

But the point is if Caserio sees a guy he has to have, he needs to go get him. If he doesn't I'm not going to be mad if Bryce Young wins a Super Bowl as a rookie on a team that's dead last in running the ball & stopping the run.
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Either way, you had passed on several good to great QBs.

I wouldn't want you to be the GM on my team.

Otherwise, I would have to fire you.:)
 
Brisco_County said:
Yep. As is normal, there are a few consensus opinions, most of which directly conflict. Nothing wrong with that as long as the debate is rational. But then again, this is football and testerone is an angry hormone.

My opinion is Mills has a lot of ability and was less developed than most QB's, then he had to start over with a new playbook, so continuing with his development is justified. Spend the 2023 picks on elite pass rushers, LB's, and O-line.
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I'd go one step further. Depending on a lot of things, I'd certainly take offers and consider trading our first pick.
 
Mr teX said:
Plenty more promising qb prospects have gone to bad situations & either failed to develop...........got beaten to hell to the point of shell shock and/or retirement.....,moved on the instance they could from a bad team. Bottom line, For every “successful” one of these situations y’all pull out of yall asses, i can name 20 where the opposite happened & i don't have to go any further than the Browns to prove that point.



Or......you can do what KC did before they drafted Mahomes where Kelce, Hill and a pretty good o-line was in place before Mahomes was even drafted.
Or..... How about the Steelers who had a whole stout defense in place and vet WR group before they brought in Big Ben to basically be a game manager all the way to a SB
Or......a whole host of other teams that were built in reverse fashion and had success

Furthermore, If you're going to draft a qb high in the 1st round next year......& then have him sit for a year or whatever, WTH is the difference in just waiting to draft that guy in 2024 & bringing him in to be the starter that year when the talent level is a bit better than where it is now? The other end to this is you don't know what can happen.

Say Mills or whoever gets hurt like what happened wit Mills & Herbert..BOTH times Tyrod Taylor.....you're plan is blown up then b/c that rook is pressed into action now. What happens if Mills with a bit more talent around him DOES show he's got something & it begins to click? Now you've got this qb on the sideline that you've committed major draft capital to that you HAVE to give the reins to........& you have NO IDEA if he can be your guy or if he's even gonna be an upgrade over your veteran in Mills. You're essentially back to square one...This somewhat happened with the 49ers with Jimmy G and Trey Lance. Best to only draft the guy when you're ready to play him.
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And I would argue it's not about their teams, Browns are a case in point, but rather their inability to develop a QB. It starts with ownership and trickles down to the front office through the coaching staff.

No one here is saying we shouldn't try to improve our team, but waiting until our team is damn near perfect before drafting and developing a QB is stupid. Even if we do that the odds of getting a really good QB who will become great are slim. I think you try to develop one while you improve the team and if all else fails you draft another one. We gave Mills his shot, it isn't working out. Let's try again. If that one fails to grow as a player in two years you try again, but if the next one starts to become good, you should be seeing your team's talent improving simultaneously. These things aren't done in a vacuum like you guys think they are.

great QBs will elevate those around them. We have seen it time and time again.
 
amazing80 said:
And I would argue it's not about their teams, Browns are a case in point, but rather their inability to develop a QB. It starts with ownership and trickles down to the front office through the coaching staff.

No one here is saying we shouldn't try to improve our team, but waiting until our team is damn near perfect before drafting and developing a QB is stupid. Even if we do that the odds of getting a really good QB who will become great are slim. I think you try to develop one while you improve the team and if all else fails you draft another one. We gave Mills his shot, it isn't working out. Let's try again. If that one fails to grow as a player in two years you try again, but if the next one starts to become good, you should be seeing your team's talent improving simultaneously. These things aren't done in a vacuum like you guys think they are.

great QBs will elevate those around them. We have seen it time and time again.
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Spot on
 
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HOUSTON — The Houston Texans could be without second-year wide receiver Nico Collins for the next few games...

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With a potential void to fill in Collins' absence, the Texans have signed wideout Tyron Johnson...
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Kenyon Green likely to miss a few weeks too.

With Cooks putting likes on Tweets about his own trade, and Collins being out, Mills will be throwing a lot of balls at Aikens and Moore.
 
amazing80 said:
And I would argue it's not about their teams, Browns are a case in point, but rather their inability to develop a QB. It starts with ownership and trickles down to the front office through the coaching staff.

No one here is saying we shouldn't try to improve our team, but waiting until our team is damn near perfect before drafting and developing a QB is stupid. Even if we do that the odds of getting a really good QB who will become great are slim. I think you try to develop one while you improve the team and if all else fails you draft another one. We gave Mills his shot, it isn't working out. Let's try again. If that one fails to grow as a player in two years you try again, but if the next one starts to become good, you should be seeing your team's talent improving simultaneously. These things aren't done in a vacuum like you guys think they are.

great QBs will elevate those around them. We have seen it time and time again.
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The Chiefs had a complete team before they drafted Mahomes.

The Bills were a playoff team 2 yrs before they drafted Allen and injuries are the only reason they had a chance to draft Allen.

From the time a QB is drafted you've got 5-7 yrs to win a championship due to the salary cap. (See Rodgers this yr) Or atleast that's what history tells us. Do you really want to waste 2 yrs of that time building your team while trying to coach up your QB? This is one of the main reasons I look at Mills as a stop gap and dont want to draft a QB until 2024. Not only because I dont like this QB class, but if you draft a QB next draft, you're shortening your window to win a championship by at least 2 yrs. Burrow is the exception to this rule, but there's not even close to a Burrow in this class. IMHO
 
JB said:
I wouldn't have a problem with them selecting a QB in 2023 if they can get one where they have him ranked on their board. I just don't see that in the first round where they will most likely be picking.
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I here you, just know if Cal makes Caserio draft a QB then I will be backing whoever Caserio picks to be the future at the QB position down on Kirby.
 
steelbtexan said:
The Chiefs had a complete team before they drafted Mahomes.

The Bills were a playoff team 2 yrs before they drafted Allen and injuries are the only reason they had a chance to draft Allen.

From the time a QB is drafted you've got 5-7 yrs to win a championship due to the salary cap. (See Rodgers this yr) Or atleast that's what history tells us. Do you really want to waste 2 yrs of that time building your team while trying to coach up your QB? This is one of the main reasons I look at Mills as a stop gap and dont want to draft a QB until 2024. Not only because I dont like this QB class, but if you draft a QB next draft, you're shortening your window to win a championship by at least 2 yrs. Burrow is the exception to this rule, but there's not even close to a Burrow in this class. IMHO
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Yep. Reid traded up for Mahomes. Rodgers fell in the first round on a total fluke.

How many QB's drafted high by bad teams turned out to not be ruined by poor O-lines and dysfunctional offenses? Happens every year. Texans fans of all people should be mindful of this scenario.

Build the team first and set up your young QB for success.
 
Brisco_County said:
Yep. Reid traded up for Mahomes. Rodgers fell in the first round on a total fluke.

How many QB's drafted high by bad teams turned out to not be ruined by poor O-lines and dysfunctional offenses? Happens every year. Texans fans of all people should be mindful of this scenario.

Build the team first and set up your young QB for success.
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Exactly

Some posters fail to learn from the past.
 
The offensive line is much improved from years before. That’s why you could draft your quarterback next year. And like Opt said a few times already, you could bring in a veteran quarterback to run your offense next year while the rookie sit and learn for a year. Your offensive line by then could be a lot better with another year together. You could draft a lineman as well. With 11 draft picks, you could draft another RB for your one two punch in the backfield.

There’s quite a few ways to skin a cat. So why are some of you gentlemen acting like your way is the only way.
 
steelbtexan said:
The Chiefs had a complete team before they drafted Mahomes.

The Bills were a playoff team 2 yrs before they drafted Allen and injuries are the only reason they had a chance to draft Allen.

From the time a QB is drafted you've got 5-7 yrs to win a championship due to the salary cap. (See Rodgers this yr) Or atleast that's what history tells us. Do you really want to waste 2 yrs of that time building your team while trying to coach up your QB? This is one of the main reasons I look at Mills as a stop gap and dont want to draft a QB until 2024. Not only because I dont like this QB class, but if you draft a QB next draft, you're shortening your window to win a championship by at least 2 yrs. Burrow is the exception to this rule, but there's not even close to a Burrow in this class. IMHO
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In 2017, the Bills' offense ranked 22nd in points scored and 29th in yards gained.
Their D ranked 18th and 26th.

That was not a good team no matter how you slice it.

Then as they drafted Allen in 2018, they lost two olinemen: Incognito (G) and Eric Wood (C).

The other G (Ducasse) played in only 9 games.

The RT (Jordan Mills) would play his last year before he's done.

LeSean McCoy was going downhill fast (only 514 yards, less than half his output in the previous year and was gone at the end of the year.
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Look up the receivers and the TE.
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Benjamin, Thompson, and Clay were all gone shortly.

The Bills built that offense pretty much from scratch starting with Allen.
 
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