Early impressions - 2022 Texans.

[DocBar]

Out of curiosity. What do you think is different from last year's receiving corps that Mills was throwing to that made him look like the most productive QB in his draft class? Besides Amendola who had only 24 catches, what talent left the receiving corps from last year? Especially the last four games of last year?

Watching the all-22 of Denver and Bears games, it looks like a combination of poor route concepts ( I see too many receivers within a few yards of each other) and Mills not going through his reads quickly enough. I think some of his accuracy issues and lack of separation with WRs are related. Hard to throw accurately to a WR surrounded by dbs.

 

[TexansBull]

So three guys, Allen, Mahomes and Herbert, all with superior athleticsm and arm talents, who had also more playing experience in college, can't develop, but Mills has a chance?
What kind of logic is that?

Logic that goes over your head.

There you go twisting words again.

I said they wouldn’t develop to the players they are today.

And that’s the point. Why draft a superior athlete if they are more likely to fail because there is no supporting cast around him? Use that pick elsewhere and continue to build. Draft when you can put the player in a position to succeed. Like the teams I listed did.

What do you think Brett Favre was to Rodgers and Greenbay? Smith for Mahomes and the Chiefs? Flacco for Jackson and the Ravens? Fitzpatrick for Tua and Miami? Rivers to Herbert and the Chargers?

They were bridge QBs. Those teams drafted QBs when there was a supporting cast to promote their development.

 

[TexansBull]

Right.
They should have passed on Mills.

That’s your opinion.

 

[thunderkyss]

Logic that goes over your head.

There you go twisting words again.

I said they wouldn’t develop to the players they are today.

And that’s the point. Why draft a superior athlete if they are more likely to fail because there is no supporting cast around him? Use that pick elsewhere and continue to build. Draft when you can put the player in a position to succeed. Like the teams I listed did.

I follow you. I understand. Taking that same logic, how is Mills going to be able to develop?

 

[badboy]

Logic that goes over your head.

There you go twisting words again.

I said they wouldn’t develop to the players they are today.

And that’s the point. Why draft a superior athlete if they are more likely to fail because there is no supporting cast around him? Use that pick elsewhere and continue to build. Draft when you can put the player in a position to succeed. Like the teams I listed did.

What do you think Brett Favre was to Rodgers and Greenbay? Smith for Mahomes and the Chiefs? Flacco for Jackson and the Ravens? Fitzpatrick for Tua and Miami? Rivers to Herbert and the Chargers?

They were bridge QBs. Those teams drafted QBs when there was a supporting cast to promote their development.

Why can't you do both? What if we were able to trade out of the first pick in 2023 draft and get a quarterback, a wide receiver and Bijan Robinson? Get a DT like Siaki Ika to slow run and an Edge like Uzomoah round 2. Round 3 a center or right guard. Cannot fix everything in one draft but that would go a long way.

Rookie QB protected by Tunsil and Green with excellent back + WR like Smith or Addison which should all make Cooks and Nico better.

 

[TexansBull]

I follow you. I understand. Taking that same logic, how is Mills going to be able to develop?

 

[TexansBull]

Why can't you do both? What if we were able to trade out of the first pick in 2023 draft and get a quarterback, a wide receiver and Bijan Robinson? Get a DT like Siaki Ika to slow run and an Edge like Uzomoah round 2. Round 3 a center or right guard. Cannot fix everything in one draft but that would go a long way.

Rookie QB protected by Tunsil and Green with excellent back + WR like Smith or Addison which should all make Cooks and Nico better.

When you trade back to get a QB you would be getting a QB with possible the same skill set as Mills. At least that is what I am thinking. I could be wrong.

The QB list is Stroud and Young this year. Could you trade back and get a better and more athletic QB than Mills? Or are you better off not drafting a QB and waiting the following year and rolling with Mills or another warm body?

It’s a roll of the dice.

 

[steelbtexan]

…….Texans on multiple occasions. David Carr (No OL), Deshaun Watson (No OL), and Davis Mills (No OL) b/c that’s been the main issue for any new Texans QB. I only noted the “No OL” but in all reality, every one of those teams teams sucked badly when they chose their QB’s. Texans have mastered the art of tossing the cart before the horses and it’s damm near backfired each and every time. It’s like explaining the definition of “insanity” 3 times and noticing that it still hasn’t sunk in.

You would think given the history of this franchise posters would learn from history. I guess not, now if there was a Manning/Elway/Luck etc... coming out and you have a chance to draft that guy you do it. This draft doesn't have a QB close to those guys in it. IMHO

 

[steelbtexan]

I follow you. I understand. Taking that same logic, how is Mills going to be able to develop?

Put the talent in place and see if he can develop. If he doesn't then draft a QB in the 2024 draft when there are better prospects available. IMHO

This doesn't mean they shouldn't bring in another QB IF Mills proves not to be the guy this yr.

 

[Mangler]

When you trade back to get a QB you would be getting a QB with possible the same skill set as Mills. At least that is what I am thinking. I could be wrong.

The QB list is Stroud and Young this year. Could you trade back and get a better and more athletic QB than Mills? Or are you better off not drafting a QB and waiting the following year and rolling with Mills or another warm body?

It’s a roll of the dice.

I’d rather Caserio continue to fill needs on all three phases through the draft, then go all out and draft the hottest QB prospect. Who cares what the whiny casual fans think!? We have no business going after a qb right now. Upgrade the future QB’s supporting cast to set him up for success instead of doing the same dumb sh*t since 2002.

 

[Thorn]

You would think given the history of this franchise posters would learn from history. I guess not, now if there was a Manning/Elway/Luck etc... coming out and you have a chance to draft that guy you do it. This draft doesn't have a QB close to those guys in it. IMHO

There's not enough talent on this team to support a "real" QB right now anyway. Next year might be a different story, and we don't know how the college QBs coming out in the next draft are going to be perceived just yet.

I'll bet a whole lot of us are singing different tunes coming next draft anyways. A lot of things will change between now and then.

 

[steelbtexan]

Right.
They should have passed on Mills.

Why?

I thought you were in the draft a QB every yr until you find your QB camp?

 

[steelbtexan]

Why can't you do both? What if we were able to trade out of the first pick in 2023 draft and get a quarterback, a wide receiver and Bijan Robinson? Get a DT like Siaki Ika to slow run and an Edge like Uzomoah round 2. Round 3 a center or right guard. Cannot fix everything in one draft but that would go a long way.

Rookie QB protected by Tunsil and Green with excellent back + WR like Smith or Addison which should all make Cooks and Nico better.

Why not just trade Tunsil for a 2nd rd pick like you've suggested in the past?

 

[76Texan]

Logic that goes over your head.

There you go twisting words again.

I said they wouldn’t develop to the players they are today.

And that’s the point. Why draft a superior athlete if they are more likely to fail because there is no supporting cast around him? Use that pick elsewhere and continue to build. Draft when you can put the player in a position to succeed. Like the teams I listed did.

What do you think Brett Favre was to Rodgers and Greenbay? Smith for Mahomes and the Chiefs? Flacco for Jackson and the Ravens? Fitzpatrick for Tua and Miami? Rivers to Herbert and the Chargers?

They were bridge QBs. Those teams drafted QBs when there was a supporting cast to promote their development.

In your own words, the Texans are failing Mills.
Why bother drafting him at all?

 

[76Texan]

Why?

I thought you were in the draft a QB every yr until you find your QB camp?

That was TB that I responded to.
TK gets it.

Following TB's philosophy, last year third round pick should have been used on either an Olineman or a skill position.

 

[76Texan]

Why?

I thought you were in the draft a QB every yr until you find your QB camp?

And I'm not on the camp of just drafting any QB.

The QB, if he's not highly regarded, should have certain quality(es).

For example, a guy that may be a bit short , but had demonstrated that he's smart (like Wilson) and especially when they fall to the later rounds or when undrafted like Ian Book or Keenum).

Or a guy that seems to be solid but unspectacular in the latter rounds (like Cousins,

Or a guy with injury concern in the latter round (like Mettenberger). He didn't work out due to the reason mentioned, but you don't risk much at all with a low pick.

There were other underrated guys that made it, but I didn't spend time on them during the draft period, so I don't want to add their names here.

 

[steelbtexan]

And I'm not on the camp of just drafting any QB.

The QB, if he's not highly regarded, should have certain quality(es).

For example, a guy that may be a bit short , but had demonstrated that he's smart (like Wilson) and especially when they fall to the later rounds or when undrafted like Ian Book or Keenum).

Or a guy that seems to be solid but unspectacular in the latter rounds (like Cousins,

Or a guy with injury concern in the latter round (like Mettenberger). He didn't work out due to the reason mentioned, but you don't risk much at all with a low pick.

There were other underrated guys that made it, but I didn't spend time on them during the draft period, so I don't want to add their names here.

Mills has just as good of a chance to succeed as any QB in his class. He's got talent, he just needs experience due to not playing much in college and Caserio needs to add talent around him. It would also help a lot if Pep would start using Cooks in the slot more often. This isn't saying that Mills doesn't need to improve greatly or that he's the future at QB. There's a lot of factors right now working against Mills becoming successful. Starting with Mills himself, closely followed be talent and coaching.

 

[badboy]

When you trade back to get a QB you would be getting a QB with possible the same skill set as Mills. At least that is what I am thinking. I could be wrong.

The QB list is Stroud and Young this year. Could you trade back and get a better and more athletic QB than Mills? Or are you better off not drafting a QB and waiting the following year and rolling with Mills or another warm body?

It’s a roll of the dice.

well everything is roll of dice.. I would only trade back for QB if Stroud is available and maybe Levis depending on his season. I just don't know if Mills is more than a backup. IMO QB is the rarest yet most significant spot to fill so yeah there will be risks but that is inherent with the position. Based on what I've seen so far if I can get one of the top- 3 in 2023 I would and if that doesn't look good by end of that season, I go after one in 2024. We still have significant picks next two drafts to build out roster without using our firsts in round one. We have also watched Car Sterio trade up and our lowest 3rd and our 4th gets us approximately 2.59.

Going to stop talking about draft but it is hard to discuss where we are and going to be without discussing options.

 

[badboy]

NFL Week 4 - The Houston Texans look like they belong in some upstart minor league. They're coached by a relic from the turn of the 21st century. Their quarterback is an overpromoted clipboard jockey. Their roster is full of veterans with "so that's where he ended up" name recognition. Everything about the Texans screams USFL. For the second year in a row.

The 0-2-1 Texans are now the favorites to end up with the first overall pick in the 2023 draft according to our Football Outsiders playoff odds simulations. Yet they are also just a few plays away from being 3-0. They would have beaten the Chicago Bears in Week 3 if not for a goal-line Davis Mills interception, settling for a 23-yard field goal, and other scattered miscues in a 23-20 loss. They might have beaten the Denver Broncos in Week 2 if they punched in a touchdown from first-and-goal from the 4-yard line. And the Texans could have beaten the Colts a dozen different ways when they held a 20-3 fourth-quarter lead in the season-opener that ended in a tie.

We can pull the ol' "a play here and a play there" routine with most NFL teams right now. The point is not that the Texans are secretly good, simply that they are not as bad as their record, and it's time to come up with an improvement plan to make them better.

That's right folks: TankWatch is back!

TankWatch: Houston Texans
The Texans Story So Far: After appointing Lovie Smith as a placeholder coach for an organization incapable of making up its mind, the Texans successfully sparked an offseason bidding war for Deshaun Watson's services. It was like some minor comic book villain getting Lex Luthor and Brainiac to out-bid each other for a lump of Kryptonite, and it worked: the Texans pried three first-round picks and change from the Cleveland Browns. The team then added a deep and promising draft class headlined by cornerback Derek Stingley to a Nick Caserio-built roster of bargain-bin veterans


The results so far? A team just good enough to lose.

What's Going Right? A few things:

• The draft class looks great. Safety Jalen Pitre intercepted two passes and recorded a sack against the Bears. Running back Dameon "Three Pitbulls" Pierce has become a fantasy favorite and folk hero with his Beast Mode rushing style. Stingley is having a typical early season for a rookie cornerback: some penalties and mistakes, but plenty of opportunities to flash his ability to stick with top receivers. Guard Kenyon Green is holding his own as a starter.
  
• Caserio's latest batch of stopgap veterans, headlined by Jerry Hughes, is also playing rather well. O.J. Howard caught two touchdown passes in the season-opener. Steven Nelson has been fine opposite Stingley.
  
• Lovie Smith's beard looks like freshly fallen snow on a cedar grove at sunset.
  
• Everything looks professional. The Texans no longer feel like a sidebar project to help team vizier Jack Easterby sell Christian comedy improv videos. That's remarkable after a winter in which Easterby tried his darndest to promote Josh McCown from backup quarterback to head coach.

What's Going Wrong? Of course there's a lot here:

• The run defense is pitiful. The Texans rank 30th in run defensive DVOA. The Bears (admittedly an excellent rushing team) gashed them with runs/scrambles of 52, 41, 29, and 19 yards in Week 3.
  
• The Texans goal-to-go offense ranks 31st in DVOA, ahead of only the Denver Fumbles and Field Goals Club. Davis double-clutched before throwing an interception into the end zone against the Bears. Pierce is a bruiser, but he's also a fumble-prone rookie, and opponents know what's coming when he lines up in an I-formation at the goal line.
  
• Everything is too conservative. Smith kept his safeties deep for the entire Colts comeback, even when Frank Reich countered by running Jonathan Taylor late in the fourth quarter. Pep Hamilton's offense is content to run Pierce and Rex Burkhead into the ground while trying to open up the middle of the field for Mills. There are moments of flair, like a fake punt against the Bears, but the Texans play every week like they are trying not to lose.
  
• Mills is a creaky journeyman veteran disguised as a second-year prospect: a less mistake-prone Mike Glennon. He'll limit anything the Texans try to do offensively.

What Needs to be Done? We're not going to pretend the McNair family will sell the team or Easterby will leave to to start a TikTok ministry. So let's propose some solutions from within the McNair/Easterby Cinematic Universe.

• The Texans must determine what they want to be. The Texans only promoted Smith because they spent so much time flirting with McCown that they were about to get pulled over for driving 120 mph past the Rooney Rule. The Texans will move on from Lovie in the offseason, and that will be an opportunity to finally establish a post-Deshaun/J.J. Watt/Bill O'Brien identity. Will they seek a Mini McVay? Someone from the Andy Reid tree? A college hotshot? A defensive coach? Some of those choices sound sketchy, but failure to choose would be the worst choice of all.
  
• The Texans must plan to draft a quarterback. Giving Mills an extended 2022 audition is fine; there's a slim chance that he will develop into more than a bottom-quartile starter. But with two first-round picks in 2023, and their own pick likely to be high, the Texans must position themselves as major players in the Bryce Young/C.J. Stroud sweepstakes.
  
• The Texans must establish a core. There's not much young talent behind this year's rookies and some stray Nico Collins types. The Texans must spend 2022 developing their Stingley/Pitre/Pierce building blocks while trying to find other players under 24 who can grow alongside them. That may mean phasing out some Hughes/Nelson/Desmond King/Christian Kirksey types as the season wears on. That won't be a popular decision among Caserio (the NFL's greatest secret shopper), Lovie (veterans are safe), or Easterby (he's heard of those guys!), but someone's gotta make the call.
  
• Create a coherent cap plan. The Texans have $49 million in 2023 cap space: not bad, but not outstanding for a last-place team with no A-tier veteran stars. Much of their 2023 cap space is tied up in left tackle Laremy Tunsil ($35 million) and Brandin Cooks ($26.6 million). That's fine—they are two of the Texans' best players, and both could prove invaluable when developing a real quarterback prospect—but all those AAA-affiliate veterans are nickel-and-diming away the Texans' future budget. Caserio should switch philosophies from spackling together the roster with veterans to embracing a youth movement and saving money for future tactical free-agent strikes. Again: an unpopular change in Houston which must occur.

How Bad are the Texans? DVOA ranks them as the second-best team in the AFC South through three games! Of course, even the world's biggest Colts skeptic (me) thinks Matt Ryan and company will figure things out to a degree, and Mike Vrabel could take the field with his arms and legs cut off and win a few Titans games. But the Texans are mediocre by design, and they need to take a long look at the early-season jolt the Jaguars are enjoying. The climb from laughingstock to credibility does not need to be that long. The Texans just need to stop snoozing through gap years.

What's Next for the Texans? They host the Chargers, who are so injury-crippled that Texans +4.5 looks tasty. Then they visit the Jaguars, who may be huffing a little helium right now. For self-esteem purposes, the Texans need to split that series. For draft position purposes? Their lay-low-and-lose-late tactics are working just fine.

Are Houston Texans Already on the Clock?

The Houston Texans are on pace for the first overall pick in the 2023 draft. But they really aren't THAT bad...

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[thunderkyss]

The QB, if he's not highly regarded...

by who?

 

[TexansBull]

In your own words, the Texans are failing Mills.
Why bother drafting him at all?

Mills was a 3rd round draft pick. Speculation says he would have been drafted in the first this year. That’s a bargain.

I think the plan was to groom him along under Tyrod. I don’t think the plan was to have him start the year he was drafted. Also to have more tools around him like Meche when he would start. I think they wanted him to start this year.

I also think the plan is to have him be a stop gap QB for a few years. I don’t think he is meant to be the guy, but there was enough upside opportunity with him he could be the guy so draft him. But there is a contingent plan.

The kid has an uphill battle to be a true franchise QB and may never be more than a Mariota or Fitzpatrick. Or he could develop and become a Kirk Cousins. Who knows?

If he doesn’t pan out the cost wasn’t that high.

A first round pick is a high cost pick, especially on a QB and shouldn’t have as much as an uphill battle as Mills has before him. I think you should be a few positions away which would attract FAs too.

And the year he was drafted wasn’t the strongest QB class. The is past draft wasn’t the strongest. This year and next is shaping up to be good years.

That’s my thought process on drafting Mills. There are multiple angles to consider.

I could be wrong. I am just a random guy playing armchair GM.

 

[Thorn]

by who?

Yeah, that's the point. Picking a QB out of college has the same success rate as dice. Maybe you're lucky, maybe you're not. And the whole fricking problem is that QB is SUCH an important position. With a top five pick you can miss on any position other than QB and still live to tell the tale, but not QB. You miss on QB you're just ***.

 

[Porky]

Are you sure you are playing darts and not bowling because you didn’t know Manning went number 1 so you may be confused what game you are playing.

Kidding. I have to give you a hard time.

Lol. Bowling is actually my game. I was in leagues back in the day. I still use the same bowling ball my parents bought for me when I was around 17-18 although it looks like crap now. I'm 59 and don't go nearly as often as I used to. For one thing, bowling used to be highly affordable...now not so much. And to attract the younger "low attention span" crowd, most alleys are no longer alleys. They are entertainment venues with music, flashing lights, etc. I hate that. And I hate automatic scoring. Give me a pad and a pen and I'm a happy camper! Basically, I think I've morphed into "get off my lawn" cranky old man lol.

 

[Thorn]

Basically, I think I've morphed into "get off my lawn" cranky old man lol.

It's a club with a whole lot of members.

 

[TexansBull]

You miss on QB you're just ****.

Jets, Browns, Tampa Bay, Detroit, Minnesota, Denver, Giants, Bills between Kelly and Allen, Bears, Bengals before Burrow, Titans, Carolina, Jaguars, Washington and Miami all say hello.

Green Bay, Indy, and the Chargers have had some good luck drafting QBs.

 

[FuzzyLogic]

Right.
They should have passed on Mills.

And everyone did for three rounds - all the QB's in the original post were first rounders. If I'm taking a flyer on a developmental QB I'd rather it be a 3rd round pick.

 

[Thorn]

Jets, Browns, Tampa Bay, Detroit, Minnesota, Denver, Giants, Bills between Kelly and Allen, Bears, Bengals before Burrow, Titans, Carolina, Jaguars, Washington and Miami all say hello.

Green Bay, Indy, and the Chargers have had some good luck drafting QBs.

A really good QB can only do so much with a piss poor offense, but perhaps make them look mediocre at best. A decent to less QB will fail with that team.

Mediocre to better than average QBs have won lots of SBs.

Gotta have that "team" for your QB to have any chance.

 

[badboy]

A really good QB can only do so much with a piss poor offense, but perhaps make them look mediocre at best. A decent to less QB will fail with that team.

Mediocre to better than average QBs have won lots of SBs.

Gotta have that "team" for your QB to have any chance.

but is that the type of offense we will have at end of season? Tunsil looking good and going into 2023 as last contract year looking for extension. Green apparently a cornerstone and Howard getting good reviews. RG AJ Cann with a PFF of 70 has allowed 1 sack so we may need only a center but some think Quess if allowed to continue at center could improve. Maybe the team can improve even if losses continue? We can easily improve at WR, QB, RB, RG and Center if necessary this off season. Adding 5 starters to this offense would be awesome still leaving significant room to add to defense.

 

[Earl34]

Mills was a 3rd round draft pick. Speculation says he would have been drafted in the first this year. That’s a bargain.

Playing devil's advocate. What is this speculation based on? Supposedly, one of the reasons that Mills has struggled is the talent around him. Last year, Stanford went 3-9. Would that 3-9 talent be enough to make him a first round pick? Has anyone who made this speculation looked at the 2021 Stanford WRs Mills would be throwing to?

Also, in 2019, Mills threw 11 TDs and 7 INTs. In 2020, he threw 7 TDs and 3 INTs. Wouldn't those numbers have to improve significantly for him to get consideration as a first round pick?

 

[TexansBull]

Playing devil's advocate. What is this speculation based on? Supposedly, one of the reasons that Mills has struggled is the talent around him. Last year, Stanford went 3-9. Would that 3-9 talent be enough to make him a first round pick? Has anyone who made this speculation looked at the 2021 Stanford WRs Mills would be throwing to?

Also, in 2019, Mills threw 11 TDs and 7 INTs. In 2020, he threw 7 TDs and 3 INTs. Wouldn't those numbers have to improve significantly for him to get consideration as a first round pick?

The speculation is based on how bad the QB class was this year. Someone on the internet said it first. It could have been a creditable NFL analyst or YouTube personality. Doesn’t matter. Because of the laws of the internet it is now fact and based on science.

 

[leebigeztx]

Mills was a 3rd round draft pick. Speculation says he would have been drafted in the first this year. That’s a bargain.

I think the plan was to groom him along under Tyrod. I don’t think the plan was to have him start the year he was drafted. Also to have more tools around him like Meche when he would start. I think they wanted him to start this year.

I also think the plan is to have him be a stop gap QB for a few years. I don’t think he is meant to be the guy, but there was enough upside opportunity with him he could be the guy so draft him. But there is a contingent plan.

The kid has an uphill battle to be a true franchise QB and may never be more than a Mariota or Fitzpatrick. Or he could develop and become a Kirk Cousins. Who knows?

If he doesn’t pan out the cost wasn’t that high.

A first round pick is a high cost pick, especially on a QB and shouldn’t have as much as an uphill battle as Mills has before him. I think you should be a few positions away which would attract FAs too.

And the year he was drafted wasn’t the strongest QB class. The is past draft wasn’t the strongest. This year and next is shaping up to be good years.

That’s my thought process on drafting Mills. There are multiple angles to consider.

I could be wrong. I am just a random guy playing armchair GM.

That is true, but isn't a 3rd rd pick considered considered a high pick?

 

[Lucky]

If I'm taking a flyer on a developmental QB I'd rather it be a 3rd round pick.

There are always QBs available in the 3rd. Just not many (if any) good ones.

 

[TexansBull]

That is true, but isn't a 3rd rd pick considered considered a high pick?

I said the price wasn’t that high as in as high as a 1st round draft pick.

Or it’s low compared to a first.

I am under the impression that 1-2 is high. 3-5 is middle. 6-7 is low.

But we are splitting hairs at this point.

 

[steelbtexan]

That is true, but isn't a 3rd rd pick considered considered a high pick?

A 3rd rd pick is a 50-50 shot of being an above avg player. The QB position is probably even less, but I'm glad they took a shot on Mills and hope they take another shot in 2024 if Mills isn't the guy.

 

[leebigeztx]

A 3rd rd pick is a 50-50 shot of being an above avg player. The QB position is probably even less, but I'm glad they took a shot on Mills and hope they take another shot in 2024 if Mills isn't the guy.

If 50-50 is as you say for a 3rd round players, why is Rick Smith considered a failure because of the lack of success in the 3rd rd?

 

[TexansBull]

If 50-50 is as you say for a 3rd round players, why is Rick Smith considered a failure because of the lack of success in the 3rd rd?

I am sure someone has a stat relating to his success in the 3rd round but my immediate guess is more than 50% of his selections in that round didn’t work out.

 

[Texansballer74]

Watching the all-22 of Denver and Bears games, it looks like a combination of poor route concepts ( I see too many receivers within a few yards of each other) and Mills not going through his reads quickly enough. I think some of his accuracy issues and lack of separation with WRs are related. Hard to throw accurately to a WR surrounded by dbs.

He’s missing a lot on those out routes, sailing them well over the receivers heads. Are you saying it’s because there’s other receivers are in that area ?

 

[steelbtexan]

If 50-50 is as you say for a 3rd round players, why is Rick Smith considered a failure because of the lack of success in the 3rd rd?

Because he sucked at hitting 50-50 on great players in the 3rd and couldn't even hit on avg depth players in the 3rd. In short the answer is, he had 12 yrs to try to build a championship level team and the Texans org never even sniffed a championship during his tenure. There are posters on this MB that could've done a much better job drafting than RS did during his time down on Kirby. In fact the franchise is still trying to recover from his decision to draft a pervert to lead the franchise.

 

[Texansballer74]

Now we’re calling posters whiners all because they don’t agree with some posters opinion. Mods I thought we suppose to delete comments like that. Hahaha
The Texans aren’t talented enough to draft a quarterback next year. You same posters will be saying that again for 2024.

 

[steelbtexan]

You don't think Burrow is struggling?

Not really, he's starting to play much better over the last 2 weeks as he's recovering from a ruptured appendix.

 

[steelbtexan]

Now we’re calling posters whiners all because they don’t agree with some posters opinion. Mods I thought we suppose to delete comments like that. Hahaha
The Texans aren’t talented enough to draft a quarterback next year. You same posters will be saying that again for 2024.

Wrong, I've got my guy in 2024.

Do you think there's a special QB in this draft? Or are you ok with settling because you don't think Mills is the guy

The Texans org has spent the last 20 years doing things the way you're suggesting. Where has that gotten them?

 

[Texansballer74]

Wrong, I've got my guy in 2024.

Do you think there's a special QB in this draft? Or are you ok with settling because you don't think Mills is the guy

The Texans org has spent the last 20 years doing things the way you're suggesting. Where has that gotten them?

That’s your guy who very well won’t be Caserio’s and Texans guy.
Dude wtf settling had to do with anything. Lol off the chains. Stroud is got darn beast. Drafting him is not settling.

 

[TexansBull]

Now we’re calling posters whiners all because they don’t agree with some posters opinion. Mods I thought we suppose to delete comments like that. Hahaha
The Texans aren’t talented enough to draft a quarterback next year. You same posters will be saying that again for 2024.

No one called anyone on this board whiners.

And if anyone was to get offended by being called a whiner then they should avoid the internet.

 

[Texansballer74]

And what makes you think your way is any better. Lol man stop it.

 

[Texansballer74]

No one called anyone on this board whiners.

And if anyone was to get offended by being called a whiner then they should avoid the internet.

Yes one dude did. I would type his name but that forbidden on this kid friendly site.

Name cause also not welcomed . Some of the people are very sensitive on this site. So stop acting freaking surprised.

 

[JB]

Now we’re calling posters whiners all because they don’t agree with some posters opinion. Mods I thought we suppose to delete comments like that. Hahaha
The Texans aren’t talented enough to draft a quarterback next year. You same posters will be saying that again for 2024.

That comment didn't mention posters or this MB at all, why are you taking it personal? Why do some anger you so much? Does their opinion mean that much to you? I'm just asking questions and don't mean to attack you in any way because that's against the rules

 

[76Texan]

by who?

College Advisory Committee | NFL Football Operations

operations.nfl.com

Obviously your own scouting department, you as the GM, friends and acquaintances in the business.

The more reliable scouting services out there.

When you get a concensus, the guy has a very high chance, especially lately with the scouting process being a big business.

The armchair GM like us don't have the medical records and the character evaluation, but those people do.

 

[76Texan]

Mills has just as good of a chance to succeed as any QB in his class. He's got talent, he just needs experience due to not playing much in college and Caserio needs to add talent around him. It would also help a lot if Pep would start using Cooks in the slot more often. This isn't saying that Mills doesn't need to improve greatly or that he's the future at QB. There's a lot of factors right now working against Mills becoming successful. Starting with Mills himself, closely followed be talent and coaching.

Irrelevant to the points I was responding to.

 

[76Texan]

Mills was a 3rd round draft pick. Speculation says he would have been drafted in the first this year. That’s a bargain.

I think the plan was to groom him along under Tyrod. I don’t think the plan was to have him start the year he was drafted. Also to have more tools around him like Meche when he would start. I think they wanted him to start this year.

I also think the plan is to have him be a stop gap QB for a few years. I don’t think he is meant to be the guy, but there was enough upside opportunity with him he could be the guy so draft him. But there is a contingent plan.

The kid has an uphill battle to be a true franchise QB and may never be more than a Mariota or Fitzpatrick. Or he could develop and become a Kirk Cousins. Who knows?

If he doesn’t pan out the cost wasn’t that high.

A first round pick is a high cost pick, especially on a QB and shouldn’t have as much as an uphill battle as Mills has before him. I think you should be a few positions away which would attract FAs too.

And the year he was drafted wasn’t the strongest QB class. The is past draft wasn’t the strongest. This year and next is shaping up to be good years.

That’s my thought process on drafting Mills. There are multiple angles to consider.

I could be wrong. I am just a random guy playing armchair GM.

You just keep going around and around.
You were saying that you wouldn't draft a QB until you had put a team strong enough to support him, but then you change your tune when it comes to Mills.
That's having your cake and eat it, too.

I'm just calling you (though a few others are being implied by me as well) out on it.

No biggie.
Just something to pass the time.

I believe the issue has already been laid out pretty well, no need to go further.

Peace.

 

[leebigeztx]

Because he sucked at hitting 50-50 on great players in the 3rd and couldn't even hit on avg depth players in the 3rd. In short the answer is, he had 12 yrs to try to build a championship level team and the Texans org never even sniffed a championship during his tenure. There are posters on this MB that could've done a much better job drafting than RS did during his time down on Kirby. In fact the franchise is still trying to recover from his decision to draft a pervert to lead the franchise.

But, he hit on pretty much all the 1st rd picks which will get you fired. I only brought it up because the draft as a whole is a 50/50 proposition. A 3rd rd pick has as much chance to be a backup as it does out of the nfl, those are just facts. All of a sudden, everyone wants to build the team up with all the picks, but when it comes to Mills who has a low ceiling, lets give him a chance. When dudes in the nfl can play, they pop early and often , even at qb. The qbs now are more prepared now than at any point in history because the 7 on 7 and the college game has been incorporated into the nfl. Brett Favre ran the wing t in high school, today, guys are throwing the ball 30 times a game in high school. You can keep believing and blaming Watson for the Texans state of affairs, but they got fair compensation according to most everyone. This organization is or was bad from the top. I believe if Jack would've been fired, cal would stayed the course, he would've gotten suspended and he would still be playing for the Texans. I have no proof, just my theory. Doesn't matter, he's in Cleveland now and the Texans have a qb who isn't nowhere close to him in terms of talent and production. They will get their chance at replacement soon enough hopefully.