I know he talked about it, but I meant that particular playcall. A dive to the right side seemed destined to fail from the get go. Still wonder why they didn't put Driskell in...
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WK1: Colts at Texan Gameday & Discussion
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Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
I’d much rather see them go for it and try to win even if they ended up losing by not making it, particularly in a season where not much is expected of them, than to punt and settle for a tie. Absolutely nothing to lose there.
Listening to the few player interviews I have, I get a vibe that they feel like they lost. Maybe there’s a different vibe or mindset if they at least tried to win it instead of punting for the tie.
Yep ! Driskell's strength comes from his ability to make his best throws when he's running for his life .... and the rb's can't find a hole to run through .... at times, it's a thing of beauty ! Fran Tarkington, only much taller, much better arm, .... but the guys chasing today are much faster !
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
So its no one's fault....Colts called a better play. HoF QB's have been full speed blind-sided and lost the football due to the impact, happens to the best of them. I'm still going to put some of this on Tunsil since he's the veteran and should've noticed how the defense loaded the left side. He completely ignored the defensive player blowing right past his left shoulder.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Wish we had Dameon Pierce carrying the ball as the featured back. If Mills is going to learn this game under fire.....Pierce has to be given the same advantage.
To me Mills has potential, and the possibility of finding a quality starting QB in the 3rd round is enticing. I think an important thing to remember is his relative lack of experience, 13 or 14 college games plus what he played last year. For comparison sake Herbert played 33 games in college at Oregon. Experience is an important part of the learning process
He’s going to take some lumps. I think it’s fair to point out we lack talent on offense. To flip your point around, how many of our offensive players would teams trade their guys for? Tunsil and Cooks are the only 2 I can think of
Mills had a mediocre game overall, some good some not so good. Hopefully the bad plays start to be replaced by more good plays over the season. If not we’ll be in a good position to draft a new QB
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Driskel as the Taysom Hill esque short yardage QB was a success today. I agree if they were going to run a short yardage play on 3rd and 1 he should have been in. Especially given how poorly the offense had been performing since the last time he was in.
I would say they didn’t do that because they didn’t want to hurt Mills’ confidence… but then they punted as the ultimate vote of (no) confidence.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
The secondary will improve their communication with more reps. I am concerned about the LBs in coverage. Hoping Harris turns out to be a stud coming off injury may be asking too much. I put the blame on the LBs mostly for a majority of the big pass plays completed today. Stingley looked good when allowed to play man coverage. The Pierce td drop Ryan had lots of time and it was inevitable an NFL WR would get open at some point. I’d like to see Stingley in man more.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
This was exactly Mills 23rd start as QB1 since HS. That's probably 2 full seasons as a starting CFB QB. 11 starts in CFB and 12 starts in the NFL. Mills has actually far exceeded my expectations of a QB1 with 23 starts since HS.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Play to the whistle Britt!
Dejaview
All Pro
In his presser Lovie said they were in a two down situation at third and one but the third down loss changed the situation. His mentality wasn’t to take a third down shot then punt, but he admitted the D wasn’t playing their best football then and he didn’t want to give the Colts the ball in a short field after that play loss. I get that. Complaining about that move at midfield to me is bad football. It’s BoB material. If the Texans were ten yards further down the field no doubt the situation would be different. A loss doesn’t help them later in the season but a tie might. It was good football. The play loss on third down wasn’t.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
TexansFight
Veteran
Second rate coaching decision by a retread coach to punt on 4th and 3. The Texans lost a lot of good will they’re building by the coaching decisions that were made. I’m sick and tired of having head coaches who are ******* and not aggressive. This was a David Culley clown level coaching. I want a coach like Brian Daboll that goes for a 2 point conversion to win the game and not settle for a tie to go to OT.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
I'm torn, you hate to see a tie and yeah a big part of me wishes they had gone for it but at the same time everyone was expecting the colts to walk all over us. Given that the Colts put up 17 unanswered points in the last 10 minutes of the game I can also see why Lovie wouldn't have any confidence in the defense to stop them in OT. That said this is still a rebuild year and even a loss would have benefit as it gives better draft position but if you go that route you might as well full on tank. I'm not happy about it but I can understand what he is thinking and given the same position I'm not sure I would have made a different call. Hell it was just last season the Chargers could have gone to the playoffs with a tie but they went for it and lost everything. I'm sure both of their fans were wishing they had taken the tie.
vtech9
All Pro
To be honest, I'm not really worried about Mills. All of the high passes show nerves were an issue. Likewise, the underthrown flea-flicker showed nerves were the issue. We've all seen him make the throws before, but since he was throwing high, all game, his nerves got the best of him on the flea-flicker, so he took some off of it so we wouldn't over throw it. He didn't trust himself. Since he didn't trust himself, Pep didn't seem to trust him much either. Unfortunately, Pep also didn't seem to have any trust in Dameon Pierce either. Pierce has good hands, but he was only thrown the ball once. Down the stretch, the playcalling was too vanilla, and the best weapons weren't used in needed situations.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
First Diboll had Saquon Barkley to go for the win with, second if it hadn't been successful everyone would have been talking how stupid a call it was and he should have gone for the tie and trusted his team in OT.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Agreed, it looked like a gun shy team that was playing not to lose vs playing to win. So in that regard they achieved their goal.
Would you be ok with them not making the 1st down and then losing the game because of that decision? I bet not.
I'm very much of this viewpoint.
I didn't know what to expect in RS game 1 but was just hoping for a competitive performance which obviously we got and then some.
There's pros and cons on our young QBs play but on balance I think his effort was encouraging and should be chalked up as part of the"growing experience".
I remain optimistic and am already excited about game 2 in mile-high !
Jack Burton
Veteran
The meltdown on their forum is priceless. And Tak broke his thumb allowing Ol Jer yet another lame excuse.
You know, they are probably going to have a very high pick in this upcoming draft and they can dump Tak and save 48 MIL off their cap. At least that’s what my very angry neighbor was yelling about last night. Lol.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Not sure what players you heard speak on it, but that's not at all the vibe i got from the players I heard speak.....To me they all backed their guy in Lovie & actually mostly came off more annoyed with fans and media asking them dumb questions about Lovie's decision....Grennard especially. Fact is, YOU the spectator sitting on the sideline say there's "absolutely nothing to lose there.." but those guys are in it & they do have something to lose b/c they don't want to lose in the 1st place.
Not saying you in particular, but its funny to me how alot of fans talking about "not settling for moral victories" & not taking the "loser's mentality" and wanting them to go for the win are basing their whole premise for doing that on................... a moral victory. Basically saying they'd like to see them go for it & would be ok with them if they failed & lost the game in the process b/c hey, they didn't expect them to compete anyway right? I mean as you said, & not much is expected of them anyway so..why not right?
Didn't realize how bad that was. Britt should have blocked the LB, Pierce could have exploded upfield, no way Buckner should have caught him.
But Britt missed that block & Pierce did what he was supposed to do & break the tackle. Had Britt kept playing & blocked Buckner that play could have been salvaged.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
It is nice to be talking about the Texans about how they could have won this game but settled for a tie.
Instead of laughing off a dismal performance where they got blown out.
Progress!
amazing80
Hall of Fame
To me this was not about the win or loss, we all expect to suck this year. This was about the big moment for Mills and the team. Legends are made from moments like that. You cannot run the ball on third down unless you know you are going for it on 4th. The entire series was bad. Either Mills is the guy or he isn't. But wasting moments like this to allow him to showcase his skill and capability does nothing for this team or the future of our team. I am bummed Lovie folded up like a cheap card table and tucked his balls into his pants. This franchise continues to be weak from the top down.
The only way we can believe the Texans should have won that game was if the Colts were to continue to shoot themselves in the foot for 4 Qtrs. They didn't.
Vegas didn't get it wrong. The Colts should have ran away with this game. The Texans capitalized on the Colts mistakes. When the Colts stopped making mistakes, the Texans stopped playing well.
We think the Texans could have won if they had Green playing, if they were feeding Pierce, but by the time they got to 4th & 3, for whatever reasons the Texans had already moved away from those decisions.
I get it. I thought they were in two down mode. But they didn't like what happened on that 3rd down & got out of two down mode.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Maybe some of us do see the same things, whether there live in person, watching on feed or just reviewing the tape, but it’s dangerous to not consider the sum of all parts that affects one position. I had expected a much more effective running game led by Pierce, but strengths of Colts is there run defense. Timing with new receivers off, need more reps, opportunities exist for much improvement there. Howard was amazing, two strikes for TD’s, that’s a first. OL decent and improving.
Mills deserves more reps before we pull the plug IF the plug in fact is pulled. This is not the place to discuss draft or free agency, but depending how he progresses from here, if he stumbles or injured, there is a back-up plan with Kyle Allen, whom I have seen flash and lead Washington Commanders in some heroics but if that happens, and it appears the Texans have two #2’s all options should be considered next offseason.
I think they are in a much better position to build going forward, than if they had lost. Next week, they're still undefeated & they can go into Denver with that mindset & not a "must win" mindset.
Not a lone wolf. Maybe he gets better but he has a long way to go. See him as a backup maybe in the future but probably not because I think Texans are the only team he will play much for. Why don't the Texans have a better backup.
He needs to improve in all areas of the game. Doesn't seem to be composed, below average mobility, accuracy average at best (overthrows and no touch), recognition way below average, ..... now maybe he gets better ???
We will see because the Texans are committed to him and are not concerned about putting the best person at QB to win now. I think they don't have a veteran QB on the staff so there will be no controversy. Not 100% against this strategy because the Texans know more about Mills than me hopefully or they are trying to save face because they made the pick.
Just rambling now....
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
This team is not good enough to win a lot of games, and most expected the Dolts to win anyway. I know I did. It's just when you have the opportunity like this game, you shouldn't waste it.
My thinking on the Texans hasn't changed, they aren't going to win a lot of games this season. Let's see what happens in Denver. Denver will be playing a short week after their Monday night game tonight.
What I meant was he holds the ball too long looking for the bigger play. Like when he fumbled he held the ball too long waiting for something to open up instead of checking down. Now I may not be correct in this thought in that maybe he only watches one player on a play and if he doesn't get open he doesn't know what else to do, or he doesn't recognize what the defense is giving him soon enough. So maybe hero is not the right term.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Not really. Never really liked the kid coming out, and still don't like him that much although he has some real talent. I'm curious why you think that?
I ended up watching a whole game for the first time in probably 3 years. Picked the Colts as a sure thing in my survivor pool. I liked the play calling and offensive scheme much better except during fourth quarter and overtime. Now much of that might have been because on Mills performance. Also the defense looked better especially the secondary. At least now it seems like they on a different trajectory. Still would love to see a new owner.
As always jmo
Porky
Hall of Fame
I know it's not directed at me, but answering anyway.
Yes, yes a thousand times yes! Ties are for sissy girls. The whole league now knows that the Texans don't have a nut sack! Nothing has changed on Kirby. You want to entice FA next year with that weak sauce? Toro is not a bull, he's a steer. That bull had his testicles excised.
I would rather go down swinging for the fences, especially given the circumstances. Do you think this team is going to the playoffs or something? You're acting like this tie is going to matter down the road. Hell...give me the loss if you must and let me get a higher pick. But at least I took my hacks at the ball. I didn't stand there with the bat on my shoulder.
Weak...weak...weak sauce.
Jack Burton
Veteran
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
lame..At that point in the game the Colts were pretty much moving the ball at will. Defensively they also had started to get to Mills..wanna say all 4 of the sacks they recorded were in the 4th & OT. Potentially handing them the ball at the 50...with 20 seconds left.............. & 2 TO's...I'll take the tie instead of pretty much handing them the game on a silver platter there.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Lol....... NONE of this has anything to do with any kind of anything... its just blind tough guy bravado crap that doesn't factor in 1 way or the other in any future FA signings or how the league at large sees the Texans; As it is, it barely has an effect on getting a higher draft pick.
ghostlight
Veteran
If I'm not mistaken we were + points by Vegas and not expected to win by all the whiners. I actually enjoyed the our team fighting to the last second.
SeriousShizzle
Rookie
If mills give us 2 TD lead in the 4th. Yeah defense should close that down.
SeriousShizzle
Rookie
also disappointed that seats were half full. I know they did not deserve a full house but damn!!@
Houston gonna show up to get the hype up.
Houston gonna show up to get the hype up.
Jack Burton
Veteran
NO. WRONG. Mills should have been playing defense and making tackles, dammit.
Its all Mills fault. Throwing 2 TDs to a TE who wasn’t even on the team last week, the tie yesterday, the virus, the Queens death, the Cowboys loss.…
This guy is a F’ing cancer and he needs to go.…
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Number19
Hall of Fame
Really? I didn't listen to any post game. He actually said this? Sounds familar.
Toro Bravo
Rookie
I somewhat agree with you, but the offense needs to stay on the field and get 1st downs instead of giving the ball back to the opposition and expecting the defense to hold them.
What is clear to me is that Davis Mills does have some skill and ability to be an average QB. However, he lacks that "It" factor to make a play and work off script to seal the game when he has the opportunity. This was a perfect scenario for Mills to lay claim as "The Man" and Texans starting QB. Instead, we still have a lot of questions about his future.
Cowardly, or honest. I’m thinking Lovie knew what he had.
When they cut Blacklock we had a discussion why Caserio wasn’t honest & tell us how bad he thinks Blacklock is. Well, Lovie can’t get any more honest than this.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Still waiting on some sound reasoning from those talking about going for it. So far all i've heard is a bunch of idealistic crap about "going for the win"....and YOLO type garbage that doesn't take into account the situation.
That same "going for the win" crap gave birth to this gem from BoB..was a stupid decision then & it's still a stupid decision now...but hey he was "going for the win so it was all good right?
"going for the win" can be used to justify any decision made on the football field at any given point...still don't mean its not a stupid move though.
That same "going for the win" crap gave birth to this gem from BoB..was a stupid decision then & it's still a stupid decision now...but hey he was "going for the win so it was all good right?
"going for the win" can be used to justify any decision made on the football field at any given point...still don't mean its not a stupid move though.
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xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
The whole oline in that frame is watching the rb lol.
Britt wasn’t the only one. There were three Texans linemen near him and he ran past all of them untouched to make the tackle.
Number 71 (Howard?) starts complaining to the ref about a face mask call before the play is even over.
I hope this was highlighted during the film session because that’s not a good look for that entire unit.
I’m a big technique above all else guy when it comes to o line, but right there they just lacked effort and nastiness.
Looks like none of them expected that Pierce could break a tackle... everyone of them gave up on the play
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
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