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take6

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What did yalk think of singletarys performance last night ? Do yall tgink we missed tge pick n shoukd of taken sauce gardner ? And whats up with our offense ? Why are we running has been rbs out with the first team ? Please give me yalls grade on the offense n defense. Thanks. Woukd love to hear from yall
 
Stingley- C+ Looked good in man, lost in zone. Had some nice coverages and got burnt on others

Offense- D But to be honest hard to grade when you dont have any of your starting Oline protecting your qb, and dont have all your weapons at your disposal. Found play calling abysmal and at times thought OB and kelly were calling plays again.

Defense- B They got plenty of pressure on a mobile qb that they kept on the run and moving out of the pocket. Still an undisciplined group w/ too many penalties but overall I think this defense will make plays and keep us in games and make things interesting. There were times where they seemed to lose focus and gave up too many easy plays but its the preseason...so they have time to learn and correct.
 

The Pencil Neck

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My grade is: It's the preseason.

You can't trust what you see in pre-season games to translate to the real ones. Remember that one year, the Lions won all their pre-season, getting their fans' hopes up, and then promptly lost every regular season game.

I think it's best to look at these as televised practices.

With that said, I'm not loving how the offense has been looking. The defense looks like they're playing around more with coverages. And Stingley looks like a rookie.
 

KA4Texan

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Judging by what I have seen in the preseason

Defense is our best side of the ball (not saying a lot) and our offense struggles to make it worth the defenses time.

So... meet the new boss........
 

TexansBull

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My grade is: It's the preseason.

You can't trust what you see in pre-season games to translate to the real ones. Remember that one year, the Lions won all their pre-season, getting their fans' hopes up, and then promptly lost every regular season game.

I think it's best to look at these as televised practices.

With that said, I'm not loving how the offense has been looking. The defense looks like they're playing around more with coverages. And Stingley looks like a rookie.
I agree. I think we are seeing pieces of what the offense is. It will be put together during the regular season.

Pierce will be starting RB and yet they are still going with Mack.

The offensive line starters will actually be starting.

Our number one WR will be playing.

That will help Mills be the best version of himself.

And if Mills ain’t it he ain’t it. It is what it is.
 

Lucky

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What did yalk think of singletarys performance last night ?
Singletary did nothing out there. Like a ghost, invisible.

The D-Line played like their jobs were at stake. Which is true.

The entire defense played hard. Not always smart.

Stingley needs more reps. He may be on a rep count, or something. I think it may take the middle of the regular season to see the real Stingley. Which is fine.

Other than not being very good players, I'm not sure why the O-Line looked so out of sorts.

The definition of Texans' insanity? Rolling out Max Scharping again and again, and expecting a result other than suck.

When Pierce does something in a close game like fumble, miss a blitz pickup. or run a wrong route, the first thing people are going to ask is, "Why didn't he get more snaps in preseason?"

Davis Mills. The one thing I hoped he would work on this offseason was his footwork. Both sliding in the pocket, and escaping from the pocket. He actually looks worse than he did at the end of last season. I heard he gained weight. That was the wrong direction, I think. Mills isn't a horrible athlete. Maybe he just doesn't have quick twitch muscles? If he doesn't improve this aspect of his game, he'll never be more than an average QB.
 

Speedy

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I think it's best to look at these as televised practices.
I wish they were televised practices, but scrimmages, not games. I want to see starters getting reps against starters. Driskel leading a 2 minute offense winning the game with somebody named Schreck or Donkey or whatever, against other players who will be looking for work next week, who cares? That's what the XFL and USFL are for.

As units, all grades are off the board because none of it is what you will see come Sep. 11. The focus in PS is on individual play, and not team oriented stuff, and even that can be hard to judge based on the competition. Collins had a nice game, but who was he going up against? If you argue Mills didn't have all his starters which is why he was shaky at best, then how do the other 2 QBs both look better with less around them?

Defense has 11 sacks in 2 games. Does that mean we have a pass rush now? Don't answer because you don't know the answer. They had 11 in 3 games last PS, and ended the year with the 5th fewest sacks in the league.

Disappointed that Pierce wasn't out there getting live reps even if it were to only work on blocking assignments. You've got to get some of these guys some skins under their belts before the bell rings. Going against yourself on the practice field at far less than full game speed doesn't do that IMO.

Glad there's only 1 more of these monstrosities, because PS games are ******* brutal. And the NFL preseason has got to be the worst in all of sports. Even baseball players have to get a certain amount of live ABs and IPs in preseason to get ready for a season. Apparently you don't need very many, if any, reps at all in football, which for the most team sport there is, is ******* crazy. The Texans starting OL will have not played a single down together at game speed until 12 noon on 9/11. If they don't play together Thursday, that is.
 

badboy

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Singletary did nothing out there. Like a ghost, invisible.

The D-Line played like their jobs were at stake. Which is true.

The entire defense played hard. Not always smart.

Stingley needs more reps. He may be on a rep count, or something. I think it may take the middle of the regular season to see the real Stingley. Which is fine.

Other than not being very good players, I'm not sure why the O-Line looked so out of sorts.

The definition of Texans' insanity? Rolling out Max Scharping again and again, and expecting a result other than suck.

When Pierce does something in a close game like fumble, miss a blitz pickup. or run a wrong route, the first thing people are going to ask is, "Why didn't he get more snaps in preseason?"

Davis Mills. The one thing I hoped he would work on this offseason was his footwork. Both sliding in the pocket, and escaping from the pocket. He actually looks worse than he did at the end of last season. I heard he gained weight. That was the wrong direction, I think. Mills isn't a horrible athlete. Maybe he just doesn't have quick twitch muscles? If he doesn't improve this aspect of his game, he'll never be more than an average QB.
Agree and I did hear that Stingley was on a play count of 10 to 15. I am okay with that count just not how he handled it. If we are using his rookie season in 2019 as a measuring stick and many are then this game was a total failure. That does not mean he will be a total failure but we should not ignore what's right in front of us
 

Lucky

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If we are using his rookie season in 2019 as a measuring stick and many are then this game was a total failure. That does not mean he will be a total failure but we should not ignore what's right in front of us
Care to expound on this? I'm not following the "total failure" part.
 

badboy

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Care to expound on this? I'm not following the "total failure" part.
I'm trying not to overthink it but if his 2019 rookie season was Hall of Fame and I agree it was, then his lack of one good play in his 15 approximate snaps can only be considered a failure. Even in the first series when the ball did not go to his guy he just did not seem to know where he was supposed to be. As I said I do not think this brief stint on the field will result in him being a failure. But as with Davis Mills both of these guys needs to step up tremendously next preseason game. Both are supposed to be foundational players.
 

maverick512000

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Singletary did nothing out there. Like a ghost, invisible.

The D-Line played like their jobs were at stake. Which is true.

The entire defense played hard. Not always smart.

Stingley needs more reps. He may be on a rep count, or something. I think it may take the middle of the regular season to see the real Stingley. Which is fine.

Other than not being very good players, I'm not sure why the O-Line looked so out of sorts.

The definition of Texans' insanity? Rolling out Max Scharping again and again, and expecting a result other than suck.

When Pierce does something in a close game like fumble, miss a blitz pickup. or run a wrong route, the first thing people are going to ask is, "Why didn't he get more snaps in preseason?"

Davis Mills. The one thing I hoped he would work on this offseason was his footwork. Both sliding in the pocket, and escaping from the pocket. He actually looks worse than he did at the end of last season. I heard he gained weight. That was the wrong direction, I think. Mills isn't a horrible athlete. Maybe he just doesn't have quick twitch muscles? If he doesn't improve this aspect of his game, he'll never be more than an average QB.

Oddly enough QB is the position I’m worried about the least this season. Not because I think Mills will be so good but because ultimately it doesn’t matter if he is. We all knew this was another rebuild year so the window hasn’t opened yet.

If Mills turns out to be good then great we can start the ball rolling and we has some of the biggest luck an NFL team can have with finding a franchise guy outside the 1st round.

If Mills turns out to be bad then we can bundle our, most likely, high pick with Cleveland’s pick and jump up to get just about any QB we want. Yeah it will slow us down a bit but often QB is one of the last pieces you can get anyway.

I’m much more worried about guys we are drafting like Stingley that have major injury history and also that the contracts are up soon on guys like Howard and Tunsil and yeah we drafted Green but signs still point to us having to pay Tunsil and now maybe Howard a truck load of money. That’s not even addressing WR or most of the defense.
 

otisbean

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At least the defense played well against the rams backups. The offense didn'y and was playing against backups.
To be fair we had a fair amount of back ups playing on offense as well. No Cooks, Tunsil, Brown, Pierce (I believe he’ll be our top RB), Britt ect…

Offensively, we are well behind most teams in terms of overall talent. I wouldn’t be surprised to see us add several offensive players when the rosters are cut to 53. I could easily see us adding a WR, TE, RB, and IOL
 

steelbtexan

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Oddly enough QB is the position I’m worried about the least this season. Not because I think Mills will be so good but because ultimately it doesn’t matter if he is. We all knew this was another rebuild year so the window hasn’t opened yet.

If Mills turns out to be good then great we can start the ball rolling and we has some of the biggest luck an NFL team can have with finding a franchise guy outside the 1st round.

If Mills turns out to be bad then we can bundle our, most likely, high pick with Cleveland’s pick and jump up to get just about any QB we want. Yeah it will slow us down a bit but often QB is one of the last pieces you can get anyway.

I’m much more worried about guys we are drafting like Stingley that have major injury history and also that the contracts are up soon on guys like Howard and Tunsil and yeah we drafted Green but signs still point to us having to pay Tunsil and now maybe Howard a truck load of money. That’s not even addressing WR or most of the defense.
Good post

They will pay Tunsil and I think he's got one more yr on his current deal. Unless he greatly improves Howard shouldn't be brought back. They addressed the WR position, it's too bad that Metchie got cancer
 

thunderkyss

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To be fair we had a fair amount of back ups playing on offense as well. No Cooks, Tunsil, Brown, Pierce (I believe he’ll be our top RB), Britt ect…
I hope we’re not going to be running on “every” first down. The first 3 or 4 drives were run, run, pass from 3rd & long.

Hopefully they’re more worried about getting stuff on film more than they were “trying” to move the ball.
 

Lucky

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Oddly enough QB is the position I’m worried about the least this season. Not because I think Mills will be so good but because ultimately it doesn’t matter if he is. We all knew this was another rebuild year so the window hasn’t opened yet.
With that logic, I'm not "worried" about any position. All I'm saying is the the QB spot is still a question mark, and probably will be heading into the 2023 draft.
Unless he greatly improves Howard shouldn't be brought back.
Didn't Caserio exercise the 5th year option on Howard?
Hopefully they’re more worried about getting stuff on film more than they were “trying” to move the ball.
I think Pep was trying to establish their dominance.
 

Lucky

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then his lack of one good play in his 15 approximate snaps can only be considered a failure.
While I disagree with the no good snaps take, preseason is for young players to make mistakes and learn from them. Stingley is no different, he needs more reps. Those in charge feel Stingley still needs his reps limited. He'll get there, eventually. "Failure" is way over the top.
 

maverick512000

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With that logic, I'm not "worried" about any position. All I'm saying is the the QB spot is still a question mark, and probably will be heading into the 2023 draft.

Didn't Caserio exercise the 5th year option on Howard?

I think Pep was trying to establish their dominance.
We spent a third round pick on Mills and passed on a new QB in one of the weakest classes in NFL history. I agree the QB spot is a question mark but even if Mills crashes and burns it’s still not any where near the investment of say Stingley.
 

Porky

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I never trust a guy who is hurt a lot and mediocre at best, then plays really well in a contract yr.
Are you discounting the fact that he was poorly coached, moved around, played out of position, etc. I think you've already got your motive for moving on. If he stinks, it's easy. If he plays well, it's a contract year. Couldn't possibly be that he is now entrenched at RT, where he belonged all along.
 

steelbtexan

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Are you discounting the fact that he was poorly coached, moved around, played out of position, etc. I think you've already got your motive for moving on. If he stinks, it's easy. If he plays well, it's a contract year. Couldn't possibly be that he is now entrenched at RT, where he belonged all along.
I don't think you're taking into account his injury history as well as the excuses you've made for his mediocre play. Can get stay healthy and in shape in a non contract yr?
.

That's a bet you would be willing to take.

I wouldn't touch that bet with a 10 ft pole.
 

JB

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I don't think you're taking into account his injury history as well as the excuses you've made for his mediocre play. Can get stay healthy and in shape in a non contract yr?
What injury history?
 

steelbtexan

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What injury history?
It seems like he misses games every year. I know he got put on IR his rookie yr and missed several games. He missed some time last yr and I think he missed time the other 2 yrs

You gonna give a guy like this a big contract if he plays well in a contract yr? I'm not and that's not even taking into account his mediocre play. I laugh when a guy hasn't played up to his draft slot and posters immediately go to the poor coaching line, when it's just as likely the guy either wasn't that good to begin with (this is what I believe) or he didn't put in the time to be the player he could have been. But I guess it's just easier to blame 2 different ol coaches. Because you know, it's everybody else's fault but Howard's that he hasn't lived up to his potential. BTW, I fully expect Howard to have his best year by far this year.
 
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Porky

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It seems like he misses games every year. I know he got put on IR his rookie yr and missed several games. He missed some time last yr and I think he missed time the other 2 yrs

You gonna give a guy like this a big contract if he plays well in a contract yr? I'm not and that's not even taking into account his mediocre play. I laugh when a guy hasn't played up to his draft slot and posters immediately go to the poor coaching line, when it's just as likely the guy either wasn't that good to begin with (this is what I believe) or he didn't put in the time to be the player he could have been. But I guess it's just easier to blame 2 different ol coaches. Because you know, it's everybody else's fault but Howard's that he hasn't lived up to his potential. BTW, I fully expect Howard to have his best year by far this year.
Aren't you the same person propping up Tunsil all the time? He hasn't lived up to his draft or trade status either. And unlike Howard, he has been planted at LT since the day BOB gave up the farm for the guy. And you're going to talk injury concerns? Tunsil missed virtually the entire season last year over a hangnail. Why isn't the goose and the gander in the same boat? You want to re-up Tunsil, who has greatly under-performed, and you want to jettison Howard, who while he hasn't lived up to his draft status either, is still potentially on the rise and is now planted at RT.

Sometimes excuses are just that...and sometimes excuses are legit. If Howard stinks this year at RT, I'll be on the bandwagon with you, but for now he gets the benefit of the doubt with me. Small school - moving around - bad oline coaching - bad HC - poor offense construction that had OL thinking too much and not just playing fast...shall I go on?
 
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steelbtexan

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Aren't you the same person propping up Tunsil all the time? He hasn't lived up to his draft or trade status either. And unlike Howard, he has been planted at LT since the day BOB gave up the farm for the guy. And you're going to talk injury concerns? Tunsil missed virtually the entire season last year over a hangnail. Why isn't the goose and the gander in the same boat? You want to re-up Tunsil, who has greatly under-performed, and you want to jettison Howard, who while he hasn't lived up to his draft status either, is still potentially on the rise and is now planted at RT.

Sometimes excuses are just that...and sometimes excuses are legit. If Howard stinks this year at RT, I'll be on the bandwagon with you, but for now he gets the benefit of the doubt with me. Small school - moving around - bad oline coaching - bad HC - poor offense construction that had OL thinking too much and not just playing fast...shall I go on?
He was the 12th pick in the draft and has made 2 pro bowls in 4 yrs. What were, are your expectations?

Tunsil has only gotten hurt 1 yr in his NFL career as far as I know. Hardly injury prone.
 

maverick512000

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He was the 12th pick in the draft and has made 2 pro bowls in 4 yrs. What were, are your expectations?

Tunsil has only gotten hurt 1 yr in his NFL career as far as I know. Hardly injury prone.

Actually their injury history isn’t to different looking at it overall





Tunsil has missed 15 games overall since 2019 and Howard had missed 11. Think part of it is that Howards came his rookie year, which people tend to remember, and both of his was multiple games in a row, which people also tend to remember. Tunsil more had a game here, a game there until his big injury that put him out for the season.

When you add in how badly Howard was coached and how much he was moved around, not to mention blocking for a QB that would take off running at the drop of a hat, I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
 

steelbtexan

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Actually their injury history isn’t to different looking at it overall





Tunsil has missed 15 games overall since 2019 and Howard had missed 11. Think part of it is that Howards came his rookie year, which people tend to remember, and both of his was multiple games in a row, which people also tend to remember. Tunsil more had a game here, a game there until his big injury that put him out for the season.

When you add in how badly Howard was coached and how much he was moved around, not to mention blocking for a QB that would take off running at the drop of a hat, I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Hope you're right. After 2 OL coaches if he continues to be mediocre at best with a 3rd OL coach, how many more excuses are we going to give him? I was hoping Campen could reach him, after Campen couldn't reach him I wrote him off as a wasted pick. Watch he will have a great yr this yr and Caserio will sign him to a big contract then he will go back to sucking. It's the Texan way.

I certainly wouldn't pay him big money next offseason.
 

Texansballer74

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Hope you're right. After 2 OL coaches if he continues to be mediocre at best with a 3rd OL coach, how many more excuses are we going to give him? I was hoping Campen could reach him, after Campen couldn't reach him I wrote him off as a wasted pick. Watch he will have a great yr this yr and Caserio will sign him to a big contract then he will go back to sucking. It's the Texan way.

I certainly wouldn't pay him big money next offseason.
They were still trying to run Bill O’Brien’s offensive philosophy. Too much thinking verses reacting.
 

maverick512000

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Hope you're right. After 2 OL coaches if he continues to be mediocre at best with a 3rd OL coach, how many more excuses are we going to give him? I was hoping Campen could reach him, after Campen couldn't reach him I wrote him off as a wasted pick. Watch he will have a great yr this yr and Caserio will sign him to a big contract then he will go back to sucking. It's the Texan way.

I certainly wouldn't pay him big money next offseason.
I get it but it takes more than one year to undo the damage of having Devlin as your first NFL coach. Add to that he was coming from a small school that doesn't have the resources of say a Bama or Clemson to get their players NFL ready in college and I'm not ready to write him off yet. Besides, even mediocre is an upgrade from what we have had on the line and he hasn't been a bad RT since he got moved there just not a Tunsil level player. But then again Tunsil had real coaching AND got to sit behind a pro bowl LT before taking over. Howard got to sit behind who, Henderson, Johnson, Davenport? Least he didn't learn how to break your own teammates ankle. You also can't underestimate having consistent people on the line that have learned to work together and more importantly work with the QB. For Mills sake and to give him the best shot I would hesitant to pull the trigger on someone new unless they were just a clear head shoulders upgrade. You're right though that I wouldn't back the armored car up to Howard's house either like they did for Tunsil.
 

steelbtexan

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I get it but it takes more than one year to undo the damage of having Devlin as your first NFL coach. Add to that he was coming from a small school that doesn't have the resources of say a Bama or Clemson to get their players NFL ready in college and I'm not ready to write him off yet. Besides, even mediocre is an upgrade from what we have had on the line and he hasn't been a bad RT since he got moved there just not a Tunsil level player. But then again Tunsil had real coaching AND got to sit behind a pro bowl LT before taking over. Howard got to sit behind who, Henderson, Johnson, Davenport? Least he didn't learn how to break your own teammates ankle. You also can't underestimate having consistent people on the line that have learned to work together and more importantly work with the QB. For Mills sake and to give him the best shot I would hesitant to pull the trigger on someone new unless they were just a clear head shoulders upgrade. You're right though that I wouldn't back the armored car up to Howard's house either like they did for Tunsil.
Agree with most of this post.

This is his 3rd ol coach and he's only going to be playing for the new ol coach for one yr before hitting FA. How do you think this is going to go? I actually think he will play pretty well because he has a lot of money on the line.. But I didn't trust him enough to sign him long term.
 

steelbtexan

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They were still trying to run Bill O’Brien’s offensive philosophy. Too much thinking verses reacting.
Yep, thinking doesn't appear to be a strong suit for Howard. Do you re-sign him to a large contract if he plays slightly above avg this year? I wouldn't take that chance.
 

maverick512000

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Agree with most of this post.

This is his 3rd ol coach and he's only going to be playing for the new ol coach for one yr before hitting FA. How do you think this is going to go? I actually think he will play pretty well because he has a lot of money on the line.. But I didn't trust him enough to sign him long term.
Depends on how much money we are talking about. Thing is right now we have no one really to replace him and yeah we can draft someone but that means we can't draft for another position that has just a 2nd or 3rd string guy filling it. Could we use an upgrade at RT? Of course, you'd be hard pressed to find a position we couldn't use an upgrade at but fact is we are in a full rebuild and Caserio really only has, for me at least, two more drafts to do that rebuild. IMO when the Cleveland picks run out so does Caserio's grace period and he may have to use a lot of those picks to grab a QB if Mills doesn't work out. So even if you have to overpay a little bit might still be worth it to not create and then have to fill another hole.
 

steelbtexan

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Depends on how much money we are talking about. Thing is right now we have no one really to replace him and yeah we can draft someone but that means we can't draft for another position that has just a 2nd or 3rd string guy filling it. Could we use an upgrade at RT? Of course, you'd be hard pressed to find a position we couldn't use an upgrade at but fact is we are in a full rebuild and Caserio really only has, for me at least, two more drafts to do that rebuild. IMO when the Cleveland picks run out so does Caserio's grace period and he may have to use a lot of those picks to grab a QB if Mills doesn't work out. So even if you have to overpay a little bit might still be worth it to not create and then have to fill another hole.
You could bring in a guy like Quessenberry much cheaper and get the same level of play. Starting RT's are often found outside of the 1st rd.
 

DBCooper

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Aren't you the same person propping up Tunsil all the time? He hasn't lived up to his draft or trade status either. And unlike Howard, he has been planted at LT since the day BOB gave up the farm for the guy. And you're going to talk injury concerns? Tunsil missed virtually the entire season last year over a hangnail. Why isn't the goose and the gander in the same boat? You want to re-up Tunsil, who has greatly under-performed, and you want to jettison Howard, who while he hasn't lived up to his draft status either, is still potentially on the rise and is now planted at RT.

Sometimes excuses are just that...and sometimes excuses are legit. If Howard stinks this year at RT, I'll be on the bandwagon with you, but for now he gets the benefit of the doubt with me. Small school - moving around - bad oline coaching - bad HC - poor offense construction that had OL thinking too much and not just playing fast...shall I go on?
Tunsil has lived up to his draft status!

 

steelbtexan

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Depends on how much money we are talking about. Thing is right now we have no one really to replace him and yeah we can draft someone but that means we can't draft for another position that has just a 2nd or 3rd string guy filling it. Could we use an upgrade at RT? Of course, you'd be hard pressed to find a position we couldn't use an upgrade at but fact is we are in a full rebuild and Caserio really only has, for me at least, two more drafts to do that rebuild. IMO when the Cleveland picks run out so does Caserio's grace period and he may have to use a lot of those picks to grab a QB if Mills doesn't work out. So even if you have to overpay a little bit might still be worth it to not create and then have to fill another hole.
Overpaying mediocre players leads to mediocrity.

See: Cunningham/Mercilus
 
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